Putindbutt:

You wish ibo slaves were fish?

Malawian:

You said you traded with the Portuguese, please this is a very serious question, what exactly were you selling to the Portuguese?

Ekealterego:


You can get most on archives.org.

Also try worldcat.

Google books might hide some.

JSTOR is also a great resource but the problem here is that for some you need institutional subscription or paid subscription.

Here:

https://library.si.edu/digital-library/book/memoirsoflatecap00crow

GreatBoss:


Anybody can create map and write ups.
Those maps and write ups were created by Ibo go and claim us physical.
I'm Ibani and we are proud Ijaw people.

Shiver99:
We often use European/western accounts when discussing the coasts of Nigeria, as they extensively traded and interacted with its inhabitants and wrote detailed reports.

However tales of the Igbo hinterland has to be studied with far more care as they were often not first person accounts. Especially when you realise that as far as the late 19th century, most of Igboland was a no-go zone for foreigners.

To illustrate this point, for some time Europeans believed that Aboh was the head of Igboland. It made sense as the Aboh dominated lower delta trade and their coastal neighbours with their war canoes. Their town much larger and significant than anything seen on the coast.

This went challenged until natives informed them that there were towns 3 times its size far further in the hinterland with more industry.

BKayy:

There is an Igbo adage that goes this way "onye isi nkwọcha anaghị aga ọgụ okwute"
If these young Ijaw children know ask questions, they wouldn't partake in anything that has to do with bringing out documented history of Southern Nigeria because they have no stake in any part of it. It will only expose them for the Aliens they are.

Igboid:


Yeah.
Umudioka are in Dunukofia LGA . In Ogidi we call them "small India" , because they are into juju too much .
I also know of Umudioka Awka.

Mgburichis were known for causing revolts in slave ships and farms and were dreaded by slave masters.

Putindbutt:

Waiting for OfoIgbo with my popcorn.

SlayerForever:



Some foreigners took the time and it shows in the accuracy of their work/accounts.

Nwanyiogwashi:
I missed this thread well after going through it I must confess that Igbo are very intelligent people please keep it up my brothers.
The next thing we should do in 2023 is to make sure that ijaw man or woman does not become the governor of rivers,both kalabari and okiriki people, if other igboid in rivers doesn't come together to present one candidate is better for ikwerre people to continue. If ijaw rule rivers state Igbo will regret it ,what they did when rivers and bayelsa were together will be worst .
No matter how we view ikwerre they're far better than ijaw, as for Delta state ijaw will never rule other ethnic group in Delta state won't allow them.

Putindbutt:

What makes you think he wasn't referring to Etsako?
I know for a fact that if " Essaka" was anything remotely close to ibo, you guys would have linked it with anything related to ibo.

SlayerForever:


Ama is actually Igbo.

cheruv:

I've already worked out a plan in case war breaks out... And better still the trio are to the West geographically(Bini: west; Ịgara: North West; Izon: South West).
By the time a peace treaty is concluded, the Izon would've been driven into the sea, the Ịgara driven across the Benue river into the Nasarawa plains whilst the city of Benin burnt down and the oba sent into an eternal exile to ile ife

BKayy:

If what he described was Etsako then Etsako will be considered as a thick Igbo town.
He did not mention a name but described, days, market days, names of things etc.

Please focus on the title of thread, we are talking about Bonny here

Shiver99:
We often use European/western accounts when discussing the coasts of Nigeria, as they extensively traded and interacted with its inhabitants and wrote detailed reports.

However tales of the Igbo hinterland has to be studied with far more care as they were often not first person accounts. Especially when you realise that as far as the late 19th century, most of Igboland was a no-go zone for foreigners.

To illustrate this point, for some time Europeans believed that Aboh was the head of Igboland. It made sense as the Aboh dominated lower delta trade and their coastal neighbours with their war canoes. Their town much larger and significant than anything seen on the coast.

This went challenged until natives informed them that there were towns 3 times its size far further in the hinterland with more industry.

Ekealterego:

I am glad we have some who still lived in our time, otherwise, they would have claimed through propaganda that we didn't own the Igbo Ukwu arts. Some of these marks and living customs helped tie some archeological discoveries to that area. Now, the Igbo Ukwu art confirmed that we have lived in that area way before 900 AD. The features on the art can be seen on us. "living fossils".


Look at that beautiful Igbo woman.

Look at the mask.

Because these things were alive, we can see the evidence of our culture and evolution as a people.

Malawian:

Nobody is claiming you. We are simply going to remove you Ijaw from the presence of our Igbo brothers in Bonny/Opobo/Brass. We won't even let you continue that river piracy of your forefathers,fathers and yours.

Malawian:

I am also curious about why Edo people uses the same 4 market days as Igbos. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that Igbos used to live there indigenously in times past. After all, it has been scientifically proven that Igbo ais the oldest surviving tribe in all that is know as Nigeria today.

Also (make I find small trouble) Ile Ife belonged to Igbos until Moremi. Yoruba used to be a Northern tribe pushed downwards to their present space. Little wonder Fulani is creating villages in what is know as Yorubaland and Yorubas can't say pim, because even they are settlers there.

GreatBoss:


Go and do it already and stop the foolishness on Nairaland.
Is Nairaland Bonny nd Opobo?
Go there physical, and say this nonesense and if you are not beaten to death, you will leave there on a stretcher.

Ekealterego:


Sure, their explorations of further islands were a bit limited and the Lander brothers and some of the others could not successfully go to deep. but Baikie broke the streak, went further inland by taking with him African born, European schooled explorers like Crowther and Taylor.
Schön also tried. Since they had to use the rivers to navigate inwards. However, they tried as much as possible to collect as much information and description from natives of those countries they met in whatever location they were at.

I remember when Baikie went to Onitsha or a market around there in 1850s(5), I will upload it to show you how he did ethnographic work there and got further information. He bought the cloths as a specimen to be labelled. He asked where the clothes are produced and he also interacted with "odiri", the guy he met there, to assess how they think about business and life.

BKayy:

And he ended up turning himself to a laughing stock.
Even his official portrait is now under dispute that it is of another man.

The man was not smart or truthful to himself. He ended up wasting years of his slavery.

Being the first slave to document about his life would have added a boast to his work if he wrote the truth but look at him, a disgrace of a writer.

Igboid:


Even the white man thought the clothes our local weaving industry made were "fancy".

Impressive!

Our ancestors were indeed great! We are a Great people.

And notice there was no mention of Akwete even.
So we had many cloth making centres in ancient Igboland who made "fancy" clothes, but Akwete became in time the most famous of them all.

Tell me why one shouldn't be proud to be an Igbo?
A people who evolved and refined democracy, had impressive arts unmatched anyway in West Africa, had local weaving industry that made fancy clothes, successful farmers, built pyramids at Nsude, Great Black Smiths with Metallurgy skills unmatched by any other group in West Africa!

Igbo kwenu!

Umu Ubani, it's time you joined Izu Umunna. You have been gone for too long.

Malawian:

You said you traded with the Portuguese, please this is a very serious question, what exactly were you selling to the Portuguese?

Ekealterego:

Yes, I like that these guys kept very good records and bought samples-

It was on the same expedition he recorded where Prince Tchukuma designed a cloth that looks like a dutch design even after only seeing it once! He witnessed it and then he made a drawing.

he used that drawing to make the front cover of his book eventually. That was one of the most amazing things he witnessed.

Horton renarrated the story in his book a few years later.

Malawian:

You can't sell what you don't have.

Igboid:


People that had no industry.
They were not farmers, not artists, not black smiths, no weaving industries, poor knowledge of Medicine ( they depended on Dibias from Aro and other parts of Igbo Land for cure of ailments).
They didn't even have enough humans! You need a robust developed agricultural system to support a large population.

You wonder what they were exchanging with Portuguese?

Ekealterego:

You are right. This next series of uploads confirms something. This is 1699 by Barbot.
Given their words were racist. The people of the coast depended on the "Hickbaus/Hackbaus" (how Igbos were spelt in old prints). Here Barbot in his racist view though explained that the Igbos were the ones who supply food to all the coasts. (He visited Calabar, Dony, Okrika and he was in Bonny). He expressed what he saw in derogatory terms for all of them but reserved some respect for the commerce of the Hickbaus.

He bought a sword from the Igbos who were selling in Calabar as a souvenir.

In 1923, another set of swords were taken from Arochukwu and it was exactly the same with the one Barbot collected in 1699.

Igboid:


This one is a racist.
Tufiakwa.

Igboid:


People that had no industry.
They were not farmers, not artists, not black smiths, no weaving industries, poor knowledge of Medicine ( they depended on Dibias from Aro and other parts of Igbo Land for cure of ailments).
They didn't even have enough humans! You need a robust developed agricultural system to support a large population.

You wonder what they were exchanging with Portuguese?