MufasaLion:
None of my business. See how he kept screaming "My son" like he's won a jackpot.

LordReed:


But we are not looking at the same sky. You are looking at the sky over New York while I am looking at the sky over Abuja, we aren't looking at the same sky. If we are both in New York in the daytime and you say it's day while I say it is night because of my personal experience then I am wrong, my personal experience notwithstanding. Of there is an objective god then you cannot all be having different opinions of his attributes or being.

Humans experience different kinds of weather and eat different kinds of food with different cultures on the same Earth. Seeing the same thing from different viewpoints should certainly not be new to you. Why do you then think that our very big God must be seen the same angle by all. Don't you enjoy open source?

Do you even realize God is just a name to a supreme being? Those things can't exist from nothing too... I think there's a lot to life than what we actually perceive cos we're made of energy and energy itself can't be completely explained...

Does the universe also exist from NOTHING? Well, James Webb telescope would launch hopefully Dec 22, I think it might gives us a better understanding of our universe...

Dranoid:
since you are saying that all these events and things must have a creator, I think the answer to your question is the same answer to who created God (I'm assuming God is the creator you speak of)

Tetehjewels:
My Son is super smart and at 8 has already been given double promotion twice in school. The 1st one he got was in the 2nd term of that year and he was only able to join the new class in their 3rd term yet he still came first and the school thought it necessary to move him again. So he is now in a class with kids 3yrs older than he is and already besting them too.

This here is the recipe for psychological and physical bullying later in the future. Take note

Rilwayne001:

He's more interested in chasing clout with bullshit.

SimplePlan34:
Because we have been indoctrinated, but while I believe in God there are clear evidence he is not benevolent.

to you na

He probably is benevolent to His own children

johnydon22:


In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

Who are you to think you exist, while God doesn't?..you are playing with your life by believing mere deceitful theory.See,why is it that the Almighty God is being denied of existence?..If you don't believe in spiritual realm,abeg come my villa find some people wahala..dem go knack you akpako, your sense go readjust.

Tetehjewels:


I do not need to engage in a so called "intellectual banter" with anyone especially since I can do better by taking advantage of that person's penchant to argue and better my son through that by allowing him to think his own thoughts and state his own responses.

My Son is a chip off the old block and this means he takes after me when it comes to being smart.

It's not everyday one finds a willing human guinea pig so I may as well allow my Son utilize this opportunity.

He just got back from school by the way

I love this reply.

OtemAtum:
Hmm. The BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY already predicted a time like this when at very tender age our kids will be arguing God-related matters. I'm happy seeing this already. The concepts of God which are available right now are the ones atheists and irreligious people see and antagonize. For instance, how will you say that God is Jehovah or Allah? Their personalities and frivolities are enough for a 5 year old kid of this generation to detect that they can't fit as God with their myopic explanation of creations, reality and the universe.

Maybe when the world finally comes to understand that THE TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE is God Almighty, then we might not be having atheists in the world again, since all atheists are aware that there is EXISTENCE and so there will be TOTALITY OF EXISTENCE(God Almighty). But for you to say that God Almighty is one of the gods in one religion or the other, then atheists will surely antagonize you.

So I think the reason why atheists keep talking about that your god is because you keep telling them that he or she is their God.

My guy, you're still as confused as ever lmao

Tetehjewels:


Yet someone said Atheists do not consider Christians as inferiors.

Cc Bluezy13

lol

You are clearly just being funny. Clearly not everyone will be condescending about their opinions and beliefs na

StJohnofChrist:
There are of course but it's more abstract than physical. You know there's magnetic field when something obeys the laws relating to magnetic field. Of course I could as well say such field is hoax and that it's just some other thing that happened, because there isn't any substance of it itself.

In science you can't "just say" but you have to prove otherwise with methods that are replicable. Is that the difference between science and religion?

You should be ashamed of yourself for indoctrinating your son and turning around to accuse another of indoctrinating their son

Image123:


Humans experience different kinds of weather and eat different kinds of food with different cultures on the same Earth. Seeing the same thing from different viewpoints should certainly not be new to you. Why do you then think that our very big God must be seen the same angle by all. Don't you enjoy open source?

Nobody thinks the sun is cold. Not even the Inuit who live in the Arctic.

Tetehjewels:


Well my Dad was a smoker and a social drinker but I have never smoked or drank in my life.

My wife was born into a family where her mom was a fish monger while her Dad was a news man but she grew up becoming a Banker.

Does this nullify your argument?

No not at all, it doesn’t come close. Religion can be used as a means of control, a weapon, a means of stripping you of your identity. It even goes deeper than that if u understand it.

If we start this discussion it won’t end today and I don’t have the luxury of time. You can reach out to me and I will take my time and school you on this.

Tetehjewels:
I can only laugh at your attempt to steamroll your way over me and mine. Sorry man all I can say is sorry because your mindset and choice of words needs redemption

Nope. Nothing needs redemption.

johnydon22:


In what planet did your son win the argument? First, your son tried to establish feeling as a basis for God's existence, committing the first blunder of mistaking emotions to somehow infer objective existence of an entity.

Then even though your son tried to establish feelings as a basis for the existence of God, he also agreed he never felt God but rather thinks about God a lot, how on earth is thinking about something a pointer that it exists in reality?

Thinking only alludes to conceptual existence not actual.

Example: Dragons does not exist because we think about them a lot, Captain America do not exist because we think of him a lot, the avengers do not exist because they awake intense emotions (feelings) in us whenever we read about their fictitious heroic deeds in comics or movies.

Conceptually, these fictitious ideas exist, in reality, they do not.

Your son strawmaned the other kids argument, based his on a faulty premise and just talked over the other kid.

There is absolutely nothing smart about your fictitious son, bring out your arguments proudly instead of trying to heap them on an eight year old that exists only in your imaginations.

Fighting with the logic of 7-8 year olds!?
You should be ashamed of yourself!

BTW: the OP just reported what happened without asserting that one position is superior or not

You should understand not every thing in the bible is literal.
The Bible is not something to be quickly flipped through or cherry picked for inference. Carefully read. Most things were in a vision, trance, etc.
Seek, you'll find.

Havertz10:
that's nothing compared to the creatures described in revelation, those ones will give any machination of aliens humans have today a run for their money

Tetehjewels:


Well he has experienced me and my love. He already knows he will grow into a man one day and will also have his own kids.

He wonders if the world had aliens or other life forms if they would love like us or be totally different.

Yes he has had those conversations with me. To him life is reduced to just 4 things

1) Love and Hate
2) Truth and lies

It's that simple

You are spoiling that boy's psychological well being. You might not know now but the future of that boy will tell.
To be honest, you both are ignorant about God existence and you are polluting that boy's knowledge because this is not the time for him to focus on this type of things.
You People think you know God but you don't know even what God truely means and you can never know because you humans we are of the flesh.So you think the little you know is the ultimate Knowledge about God which is wrong.

Jbleenk:


No not at all, it doesn’t come close. Religion can be used as a means of control, a weapon, a means of stripping you of your identity. It even goes deeper than that if u understand it.

If we start this discussion it won’t end today and I don’t have the luxury of time. You can reach out to me and I will take my time and school you on this.

Not interested. We have seen a family where father and mother are doctors and they have 6 kids and 4 of those kids chose medicine while the other two chose something entirely unrelated to medicine so your argument is void

Tetehjewels:


Prepared for what? An argument?

Not in the least interested. Every situation is an opportunity to learn and grow. It's the turn of my kid now.

God exists
But your 8yr old perception of God is flawed and of a child and shouldnt be viewed as a base of argument..

The other kid won the argument bcus your son chose emotions over logic which doesn't imply intelligence in winning a debate but ses your too ignorant or dumb to see it

He is not smart and neither is the dad

No hate intended

Image123:


Humans experience different kinds of weather and eat different kinds of food with different cultures on the same Earth. Seeing the same thing from different viewpoints should certainly not be new to you. Why do you then think that our very big God must be seen the same angle by all. Don't you enjoy open source?

Buy you do conclude that “Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life. No one gets to God except through him”. Don’t you?

LordReed:


Nobody thinks the sun is cold. Not even the Inuit who live in the Arctic.

Because it is only the sun, nothing else. We are talking about not just alpha here, but the Alpha and the Omega. Big difference.

Tetehjewels:


Atheism is a rejection of God
An Atheist states clearly that God does not exist

So how can there be any kind of conflict in their thoughts?

If this is your true definition of atheism, then neither you nor your son is anywhere near smart. You have some more learning to do.

Atheism is too diversified to fit into a simple spectrum. Most atheist agree that there is a force behind creation and everything surrounding our existence but do not agree with the narrative or attempts by religious organisations to fit or describe that force to the bible or Koran definition of God.

As a Christian, you really and truly believe that the Christian God will throw all non-christians to hell even when they had no role to play in being born into non-christian homes.... and that means all moslems, buddhist, traditionalists etc and even our African fore fathers who died before Christianity came

How does this make sense to any sane mind?

lexy2014:


I didn't ask u about intelligence. If u can fathom d universe, can u tell me how wide it is and what is its entire make up?

the observable universe is vast, we have understood it's workings, it's why we send robots to other planets, it's length and breadth isn't even quantifiable because at the end of the day, there is no up or down, that perspective only functions on earth, like minded people are striving to understand the universe, so we can conquer it and explore its galaxies but religious people are cowards holding back civilization

You religious people are plainly cowards, you all suspect that religion is a ruse because how else can you explain sin, if you truly believe that there is a god and he could return at any moment, you wouldn't be able to commit sin, talkless of taking that eternally deadly risk of commiting a sin and planning to beg for forgiveness in the future

Eternity is forever they say, why then are your prayer requests 99% of the time seeking earthly benefits, if I was a devout Christian, I would be looking forward to my death with glee but na una shout jesus pass anytime small accident happen, you believe that paradise awaits you but prefer to remain here suffering

Your pastors orchestrate emotional ponzi schemes, miracles and testimonies to keep you invested


They also encourage you to keep reading from the same book and cultivating cult like doctrines to keep the critical parts of your mind subdued, coronavirus has exposed how stupid and malleable these pastors have made people, thankfully insults and rejections of religious opinions are on the rise and hopefully one day christianity and Islam will decline into the same level of recognition as babalawo and juju

The whole thing is comical but i understand how you feel that's why I called it cowardice because what's the alternative? There is nothing everything has to mean something, you have to mean something in the grand scheme of things, we are supposed to be special, that's why we are self aware, there has to be someone out there, a big man

you have to wake up because there is no man, we are alone, at atomic level, you and the earth are relatives, and it's not hard to understand these things, subjects like particle physics are exciting, they break down the foundational blocks of the universe down to comprehensible bits, Higgs boson alone is fascinating, there is quantum mechanics, the depth of intellectual knowledge available today is astonishing, anybody still deluded by religion is a burden on the furtherance of human advancement



When I first shunned christianity, my uncle told me about pascal's wager

He said, what if there is actually a god, isn't it better to just worship him on earth in case, christianity is not hard, you can sin and beg, god will forgive

I told him that god is a fool for creating such a pointless system of retribution, even if, of which I know that there isn't an afterlife, why would I want to spend eternity worshiping some low self esteem, egomaniac that created people to worship himself, was he lacking love? Is he lonely? why does an almighty need adoration? most christian songs are pathetic the eternal, absolute, submissiveness that you people declare I give myself away conscious slavery simply because you are promised goodies here and beyond if you bow down the alternative is hell fire burning people alive repeatedly because they refused to obey and worship you he also gives you freewill after impeding first it with knowledge of both scenarios and guilting you with the supposed ceremonial death of his beloved son which is also him

If god is real, he is an obsessive, narcissistic psychopath

it's not enough that he is unimaginably manipulative, he also allows billions to die unnecessarily in a poorly designed universe, see his best work, humans, for ordinary food to go from meat in your mouth to become atp that your cells use, the amount of work required to accomplish that process is barbaric it's this need for plenty biological machinery that overworks our cells and leds to it's eventual demise, very poor optimization

Ordinary car engine with thousands of moving parts has a limit of 200k miles

Talkless of humans with trillions of biological operations in our body

there is no big man, we are alone bro better wake up and structure your life to contribute to the advancement of equitable benefits to human life and well being, all these things you are enjoying today, na people think am, do the maths to create them, you religious people have swallow, imaginary depths because the foundation of your understanding of reality is flawed

At atomic level, everything is the same

Our inherent flaws are similar to the ones in the universe, we are all one and the same, you are a temporal congregation of atomic particles bounded by forces of the universe, self aware of it's own existence and its surrounding

Entropy is the real mvp here not your man made god. humans are biologically flawed, the universe is aggregately flawed, complex congregations of atomic machines that have formed in the grand scheme of things randomly, it's very clear that there wasn't any intelligent mind behind anything

Tetehjewels:


Well to be honest with you, I could say that if someone's imagination could create the avengers or the Lord of the rings and make sequels out of them enough to entertain a cross section of the earth it can also be argued that an even bigger imaginative force could imagine the universe and bring it into existence to the service of the entire universe.

Your example could actually be a microcosm of a much larger template of imagination

I have been getting into H.P. Lovecraft's literature recently. I find this concept interesting, in the Cthulhu mythos, there is an Elder God by the name of Azathoth, a chaotic blind creator, and the creator of the known universe.
The idea is that all that exists in reality, is all but a dream of this being, all that exists, reality is but a passing tide in the mind of this ultimate being, and should this being wake up all will cease to exist.

Rilwayne001:


Buy you do conclude that “Jesus is the only way, the only truth, and the only life. No one gets to God except through him”. Don’t you?

You should quickly make such conclusions too. We're referring to your individual human experiences having different levels of everything from intellect to body temperature. Ordinary GNS 101, we can't all have the same marks or write the same answer.

BlueAngel444:
to you na

He probably is benevolent to His own children

Fantastic it means he is partial. How do u explain a person born handicapped. Born in war regions yea u would say grace but grace is not merited so there is no performance requirement. If no performance requirement what should the disfavoured ones do if u are ready to reason deeply I am game. But u would need to step out of Ur circle.

TenQ:

Fighting with the logic of 7-8 year olds!?
You should be ashamed of yourself!

BTW: the OP just reported what happened without asserting that one position is superior or not

Exactly but somehow they concocted the line about me claiming my kid won the argument

If u can feel God as feeling then he still isnt real. Atleast as a physical superficial being.

so ur son's point are dud.. Well he's just only 7

ratiken:


If this is your true definition of atheism, then neither you nor your son is anywhere near smart. You have some more learning to do.

Atheism is too diversified to fit into a simple spectrum. Most atheist agree that there is a force behind creation and everything surrounding our existence but do not agree with the narrative or attempts by religious organisations to fit or describe that force to the bible or Koran definition of God.

Just use the word CONFUSION and I will understand

StJohnofChrist:
The major concern is why should God reveal himself by man's predicted methods and definite ways. Why should it be within the confines of common sense since not all things that exist align with a common sense explanation and theme. By common sense I mean, according to a predefined set of rules for being.

this is an interesting question