₦airaland Forum

Dynmyt:
Yep thats hypocrisy dear...don't dine with the devil if you don't like him.. Just go open your business and leave "collapsed systems" the hell alone, and leave spaces for those that believe in the "collapsed systems" to wholesomely benefit from it. You should not be there to fix it, leave it for God to do that.

Very dull,Empty rants.
Are private businesses ,or did apostle Paul a tanner, in particular get "whosomely benefits" from the " collapsed system" of 1 John 2:15?

achorladey:
I will prove it the moment you answer this question..... Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

YES! Because it's members of the congregation that will bear her witness that she's truly a JW!

Before my baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, everyone used to call me brother _____. But the day i got baptized each of them came to me and gave me a big hug.
I don't know what that means until one little sister said:
"before i used to call you 'brother' that was just a formality, but now when i call you 'brother' it comes from the deepest part of my heart" this really shocked me! I couldn't just forget what that little girl said so one day after the meetings i asked her "please why did you say you were calling me 'brother' just for formality before?"
She said
"that time i never knew you as a baptized witness but now i can tell anyone that i am one of those who witnessed your baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Then i came to realize why all of them were grabbing me to their body as if they newly met me!

So her congregation really matters here unless you just want to support lies against God's people!

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Because it's members of the congregation that will bear her witness that she's truly a JW!

Before my baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, everyone used to call me brother _____. But the day i got baptized each of them came to me and gave me a big hug.
I don't know what that means until one little sister said:
"before i used to call you 'brother' that was just a formality, but now when i call you 'brother' it comes from the deepest part of my heart" this really shocked me! I couldn't just forget what that little girl said so one day after the meetings i asked her "please why did you say you were calling me 'brother' just for formality before?"
She said
"that time i never knew you as a baptized witness but now i can tell anyone that i am one of those who witnessed your baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Then i came to realize why all of them were grabbing me to their body as if they newly met me!

So her congregation really matters here unless you just want to support lies against God's people!

It is called LOVE BOMBING

Look it up.

MaxInDHouse:
YES! Because it's members of the congregation that will bear her witness that she's truly a JW!

Before my baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses, everyone used to call me brother _____. But the day i got baptized each of them came to me and gave me a big hug.
I don't know what that means until one little sister said:
"before i used to call you 'brother' that was just a formality, but now when i call you 'brother' it comes from the deepest part of my heart" this really shocked me! I couldn't just forget what that little girl said so one day after the meetings i asked her "please why did you say you were calling me 'brother' just for formality before?"
She said
"that time i never knew you as a baptized witness but now i can tell anyone that i am one of those who witnessed your baptized as one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Then i came to realize why all of them were grabbing me to their body as if they newly met me!

So her congregation really matters here unless you just want to support lies against God's people!

People like you don't love long stories. Long winding explanation is not required, a scripture or any of your publications will just be enough as proof. Shikena.

Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

Atleast you are a baptized member. The questions you answered YES which confirms your baptism, bring it here let me see.

So her congregation really matters here unless you just want to support lies against God's people

Leave supporting lies alone.

oteneaaron:
It is called LOVE BOMBING

Look it up.

I didn't ask him to explain LOVE BOMBING. The simple question was

Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

He knows the local congregation don't have power above the 8 religious leaders controlling it.

achorladey:
I didn't adk him to explain LOVE BOMBING. The simple question was

Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

He knows the local congregation don't have power above the 8 religious leaders controlling it.

I feel you.

I was actually referring to the sudden display of "Love" he was getting after his immediate baptism as a JW.

It is part of the process.

You get LOVE BOMBED.

achorladey:
I didn't adk him to explain LOVE BOMBING. The simple question was

Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

He knows the local congregation don't have power above the 8 religious leaders controlling it.

Well, in his defence, during your baptism, your details are added to your publisher record card.

It's not like you're given a certificate of baptism tho.

But of course the hierarchy can never be ignored.

oteneaaron:
Well, in his defence, during your baptism, your details are added to your publisher record card.

It's not like you're given a certificate of baptism tho.

But of course the hierarchy can never be ignored.

That is why I want him to bring his baptismal question here or any other supporting evidence partaining to that question.

This particular MaxInDHouse will come to this platform and say every other person are ashamed to talk about the name of their church. He will beat his chest from morning till night about being a Jehovah’s witness without stating the name of his local congregation but look at issue of this lady, the first point of call is to QUESTION the name of her local congregation to see if indeed she is a bonafide Jehovah’s witness

When the news is favourable they don't care about the name of the local congregation that person comes from. When the news is unfavourable they start digging details to discredit and deny the the person.

achorladey:
People like you don't love long stories. Long winding explanation is not required, a scripture or any of your publications will just be enough as proof. Shikena.
Are Jehovah’s witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?
Atleast you are a baptized member. The questions you answered YES which confirms your baptism, bring it here let me see.
Leave supporting lies alone.

Are Jehovah's Witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

YES!

oteneaaron:
Well, in his defence, during your baptism, your details are added to your publisher record card. It's not like you're given a certificate of baptism tho.
But of course the hierarchy can never be ignored.

Please don't delete this comment because it will help all other followers to know why i keep saying:

"This young woman is NOT one of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Thanks for setting matters straight!

achorladey:
That is why I want him to bring his baptismal question here or any other supporting evidence partaining to that question.

This particular MaxInDHouse will come to this platform and say every other person are ashamed to talk about the name of their church. He will beat his chest from morning till night about being a Jehovah’s witness without stating the name of his local congregation but look at issue of this lady, the first point of call is to QUESTION the name of her local congregation to see if indeed she is a bonafide Jehovah’s witness

When the news is favourable they don't care about the name of the local congregation that person comes from. When the news is unfavourable they start digging details to discredit and deny the the person.

You do have a point.

As above, so below.

What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

achorladey:
That is why I want him to bring his baptismal question here or any other supporting evidence partaining to that question.

This particular MaxInDHouse will come to this platform and say every other person are ashamed to talk about the name of their church. He will beat his chest from morning till night about being a Jehovah’s witness without stating the name of his local congregation but look at issue of this lady, the first point of call is to QUESTION the name of her local congregation to see if indeed she is a bonafide Jehovah’s witness

When the news is favourable they don't care about the name of the local congregation that person comes from. When the news is unfavourable they start digging details to discredit and deny the the person.

Success has many friends but failure is an orphan.

I completely agree with your points.

oteneaaron:
You do have a point.
As above, so below.
What is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

You already set the ball rolling!

You know what we do to be sure someone has been baptized as one of us so the simple truth will be revealed when this question is answered:

"what is the name of her congregation"

MaxInDHouse:
You already set the ball rolling!

You know what we do to be sure someone has been baptized as one of us so the simple truth will be revealed when this question is answered:

"what is the name of her congregation"

The main point Archorladey is presenting is this:

If you are asking for the name of her congregation before agreeing that she is truly a JW, why should we also believe that you are also actually a bona-fide JW?

If we must know the name of her congregation, then we need to know the name of your own congregation too.

How are we sure you are not just some guy who reads the publications and is just excited about JW dogmas and doctrines?

What works for her, should also work for you too!

As above, so below!

MaxInDHouse:
Are Jehovah's Witnesses baptized in association with the name of their local congregation?

YES!

Was that the question you said YES to during your baptism?

oteneaaron:
The main point Archorladey is presenting is this: If you are asking for the name of her congregation before agreeing that she is truly a JW, why should we also believe that you are also actually a bona-fide JW? If we must know the name of her congregation, then we need to know the name of your own congregation too. How are we sure you are not just some guy who reads the publications and is just excited about JW dogmas and doctrines?
What works for her, should also work for you too! As above, so below!

Who cares whether you to believe that i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Everyone is interested in the case of this girl so for Jehovah's Witnesses to be sure of the story the name of the local congregation where she meets with our brothers is very very very very relevant!

achorladey:
Was that the question you said YES to during your baptism?

YES!

This is what someone says after his baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do you think the congregation (people that witnessed his baptism) won't know him?

MaxInDHouse:
Who needs you to believe that i'm one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Then why are you insisting to know the congregation of the lady in question?

May her gentle soul rest in peace.

Another thing I noticed about you Max.

Since this news started trending, you have not for a single moment expressed any single amount of sorrow that a human being like you just died.

Not even a single RIP from you!

From the first instance this news broke, you have been defending the organization.

You seem like a different brand of JW to me - a very fanatic JW at that.

No matter what religious affiliations anyone might have, human life comes first.

The pure truth is that this news cast a very bad light on the JW organization.

This reminds me of the Child Abuse court case the organization had with the Australian Royal Commission some years back.

oteneaaron:
Then why are you insisting to know the congregation of the lady in question?
May her gentle soul rest in peace.
Another thing I noticed about you Max.
Since this news started trending, you have not for a single moment expressed any single amount of sorrow that a human being like you just died.
Not even a single RIP from you!
From the first instance this news broke, you have been defending the organization.
You seem like a different brand of JW to me - a very fanatic JW at that.
No matter what religious affiliations anyone might have, human life comes first.
The pure truth is that this news cast a very bad light on the JW organization.
This reminds me of the Child Abuse court case the organization had with the Australian Royal Commission some years back.

Whether i typed RIP or not does that change her stand as a worshiper of her own God?
What matters now is the bad name you're giving my people when you don't have any evidence that the girl in question is one of us!

You rushed in to join others in speaking against God's people yet you know there's a CARD that goes with any member of JWs to any country they travel so that they are welcomed as baptized JWs.

If you have no remorse for supporting false stories how dare you expect me to care a bit about the fabricated story to slander God's people?

MaxInDHouse:
Whether i typed RIP or not does that change her stand as a worshiper of her own God?
What matters now is the bad name you're giving my people when you don't have any evidence that the girl in question is one of us!

No organization - religious or not - is above scrutiny by the general public.

If this happened with another church or religion, I can bet my left balls that you would be in the fore-front screaming - "false religion!"

But look at how the tables have turned!

Why don't you wait for the Branch office to give an official response to this serious allegation?

MaxInDHouse:
YES!

This is what someone says after his baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Do you think the congregation (people that witnessed his baptism) won't know him?

But you don't like supporting LIES

This is what someone says after his baptism as one of Jehovah's Witnesses.

Your eyes and mine are still effective. Can you see as ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not the name of the local congregation


On the day of baptism at your assembly ground many will come to know him as Jehovah’s witness not by the name of the local congregation he attends.

oteneaaron:
No organization - religious or not - is above scrutiny by the general public.
If this happened with another church or religion, I can bet my left balls that you would be in the fore-front screaming - "false religion!"
But look at how the tables have turned!
Why don't you wait for the Branch office to give an official response to this serious allegation?

You have shot yourself in the foot!

Which of you is proud to mention the name of your church here?

So if anything is said about you people there's no way to verify the details. But with Jehovah's Witnesses we know how to go about it that's why you've become uncomfortable that there's a CARD that we can use to verify the membership.

I've told you and i will still tell you again that no branch will say a single thing because we are used to fabricated stories like this.

Just the name of her local congregation will set the ball rolling, apart from that it's just another cooked up tale!

achorladey:
But you don't like supporting LIES
Your eyes and mine are still effective. Can you see as ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not the name of the local congregation
On the day of baptism at your assembly ground many will come to know him as Jehovah’s witness not by the name of the local congregation he attends.

That's just to make all other JWs feel his joy as he included his pics for everyone to know that despite all hatred against God's people he has chosen to be vilified along with this group! Hebrews 11:25

But it's the local congregation that will send a message anywhere this man goes that truly this man is one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

oteneaaron:
No organization - religious or not - is above scrutiny by the general public.

If this happened with another church or religion, I can bet my left balls that you would be in the fore-front screaming - "false religion!"

But look at how the tables have turned!

Why don't you wait for the Branch office to give an official response to this serious allegation?

Does MaxInDHouse even know the guidelines for their members who decides to grant interview to the PRESS?

MaxInDHouse:
That's just to make all other JWs feel his joy as he included his pics for everyone to know that despite all hatred against God's people he has chosen to be vilified along with this group! Hebrews 11:25

But it's the local congregation that will send a message anywhere this man goes that truly this man is one of Jehovah's Witnesses!

Can you see as ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not the name of the local congregation?

MaxInDHouse:
You have shot yourself in the foot!

Which of you is proud to mention the name of your church here?

So if anything is said about you people there's no way to verify the details. But with Jehovah's Witnesses we know how to go about it that's why you've become uncomfortable that there's a CARD that we can use to verify the membership.

I've told you and i will still tell you again that no branch will say a single thing because we are used to fabricated stories like this.

Just the name of her local congregation will set the ball rolling, apart from that it's just another cooked up tale!

Shot myself in the foot?

How?

Mind you, I am not affiliated to any church or religion - not after my experience as a JW from my childhood till my adult age.

You lie when you say other religions have no records of their members.

I may not have all the info, but I am sure many churches give a baptismal certificate to their members.

But you are right - I don't expect the branch office to give any official statement cos afterall, - an unidentified JW died because she couldn't raise 4million naira for a surgery that would have saved her life.

But if it were a much more "serious issue" like the Child Abuse Case of the Australian Royal Commission VS the JW organization, even a member of the GB would have rushed to give a testimony.

Talk about double standards and shifting the goal posts!!

achorladey:
Can you see as ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not the name of the local congregation?

Ògbéni the picture only shows his joy but it's not enough proof to verify his membership.
Oteneaaron has simplified things for everyone who wants to know the truth of the matter.
So until the name of her local congregation is mentioned i'll leave you to continue playing your cards!

oteneaaron:
Shot myself in the foot?
How?
Mind you, I am not affiliated to any church or religion - not after my experience as a JW from my childhood till my adult age.

So you don't believe in God after leaving JWs yet you want to join people talking about God on a faceless forum as Mr Anonymous!

oteneaaron:
You lie when you say other religions have no records of their members.
I may not have all the info, but I am sure many churches give a baptismal certificate to their members.

So they have yet someone can cross from one doctrine to another doctrine in the name of Jesus after such baptism! Matthew 7:23

oteneaaron:
But you are right - I don't expect the branch office to give any official statement cos afterall, - an unidentified JW died because she couldn't raise 4million naira for a surgery that would have saved her life.
But if it were a much more "serious issue" like the Child Abuse Case of the Australian Royal Commission VS the JW organization, even a member of the GB would have rushed to give a testimony.

See how you failed the simple test!
How come you mentioned Australia and think the name of the Australian congregation will be missing?
A young Christian was sleeping with his young stepmom in the first century. In what congregation? The Corinthian Congregation! 1Corinthians 5:1-3
That's why the traveling overseer (Paul) mentioned it in his letter.
What do you think would have happened if the name of the local congregation is missing?
Do you think Paul who knew how much hatred people have for his fellow believers will take it seriously?

oteneaaron:
Talk about double standards and shifting the goal posts!!

You're entitled to your PERSONAL opinion!

oteneaaron:
Shot myself in the foot?

How?

Mind you, I am not affiliated to any church or religion - not after my experience as a JW from my childhood till my adult age.

You lie when you say other religions have no records of their members.

I may not have all the info, but I am sure many churches give a baptismal certificate to their members.

But you are right - I don't expect the branch office to give any official statement cos afterall, - an unidentified JW died because she couldn't raise 4million naira for a surgery that would have saved her life.

But if it were a much more "serious issue" like the Child Abuse Case of the Australian Royal Commission VS the JW organization, even a member of the GB would have rushed to give a testimony.

Talk about double standards and shifting the goal posts!!

Na their mode of operation be that.

MaxInDHouse:
Ògbéni the picture only shows his joy but it's not enough proof to verify his membership.
Oteneaaron has simplified things for everyone who wants to know the truth of the matter.
So until the name of her local congregation is mentioned i'll leave you to continue playing your cards!

Can you see as ONE OF JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES not the name of the local congregation?

So your earlier position of the whole situation being a SWEET TALE cannot be welcomed because of you just saying people should provide the name of the local congregation she attends when you know many scenarios similar to this happened without the name of the local congregation coming to the forefront or was the issue.

Hey MaxInDHouse, here are some links to help you investigate the child abuse court case against the JW organization by the Australian Royal Commission:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33673240

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses

Funny thing is many JWs don't know about this.

Do you know that one of the GB members Geoffrey Jackson was called to the witness-dock to give a testimony during this court case?

oteneaaron:
Hey MaxInDHouse, here are some links to help you investigate the child abuse court case against the JW organization by the Australian Royal Commission:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/11/28/australian-jehovahs-witnesses-protected-over-a-thousand-members-accused-of-child-abuse-report-says/

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-13/jehovah-witnesses-child-abuse-four-corners-investigations/100444320

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-33673240

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses

Funny thing is many JWs don't know about this.

Do you know that one of the GB members Geoffrey Jackson was called to the witness-dock to give a testimony during this court case?

Even if he is aware, he will wave it off as propaganda and persecution.