₦airaland Forum

cornelboy:
Pls where's that post you said i chose the revelation of John over Jesus words. Bible de contradict itself?
You don edit and remove am.

cornelboy:
Thanks for the link. I know your intention was to explain things clear to me, i sincerely appreciate it.

---

I won't be able to address all your points in that your post but i will just summarize my response here.

Genesis 2:7 nlv
[7]Then the lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, and the man became a living person.

You quoted this verse but i don't think you understand it.
It's very clear bro, before God breath into Adam he was a lifeless body made from dust. But he became a living being/soul/person after God breath into him.

Ecclesiastes 12:7
[7]For then the dust will return to the earth, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Maybe you don't know that the same spirit or breath of God gives everyone both the good and bad people life.
And when this spirit or breath leaves, our life ends.

Job 33:4 NLV
4For the Spirit of God has made me,
and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.


Now concerning God's punishment for Adam. God said to them in Genesis 2:17
"except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. If you eat its fruit, you are sure to die.”

First did God mention physical or spiritual death?
It's obvious that Adam was a physical body unlike God himself and the angels who are spirit beings.
What happened after they ate the forbidden fruit? What did God say will happen to them?

Genesis 3:19
[19]By the sweat of your brow
    will you have food to eat
��until you return to the ground
    from which you were made.
For you were made from dust,
    and to dust you will return��.”

The time they died doesn't matter cos they still died and if they hadn't sin they would have lived eternally.
Thus the spirit or breath is a power from God that gives us life not another part of us that is independent.

Where did you see any clue that they had spirit that didn't die or lived after them?
If their spirit continues to live after they died where are they now, heaven or where?

Ecclesiastes 9:5,10
[5]The living at least know they will die, ��but the dead know nothing. They have no further reward��, nor are they remembered.
[10]Whatever you do, do well. For when you go to the grave, there will be no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom.


John 5:28-29
[28]Don’t be so surprised! Indeed, the time is coming when all the dead in their graves will hear the voice of God’s Son,
[29]and they will rise again. Those who have done good will rise to experience eternal life, and those who have continued in evil will rise to experience judgment.

If we continue to live in heaven after we die, why is there need for resurrection?

When Lazarus Jesus' friend died, do you think Jesus would resurrect him if his spirit was already enjoying in heaven? No cos when Lazarus died the breath or spirit left him and he was in the grave decaying.
But Jesus raised him and he of course died again asleep in death also awaiting resurrection.

cornelboy:
Not believing in hell fire doesn't stop me from doing good or not believing in the one true God YHWH and Jesus Christ whom He sent as the messiah. It's essential to know both of them for our salvation.

sonmvayina:
What of you die and discover none exist and it has always been you all along..

sonmvayina:
What of you die and discover none exist and it has always been you all along..

cornelboy:
I believe in God and the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
I thought you often quote the Bible?
How come you don't know that at death man's memory is forgotten? Ecclesiastes 9:6, 10

sonmvayina:
Whose memory ? Forgotten by who?
The living forgets the dead..nobody talks about Abacha anymore..his breath has returned to God and his body has return to earth. Nobody remembers him anymore...

sonmvayina:
What of you die and discover none exist and it has always been you all along..

MaxInDHouse:
Because the dead knows nothing, they can't love or hate, neither can they do anything afterwards! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

So at death there's nothing like discovery!

MaxInDHouse:
Because the dead knows nothing, they can't love or hate, neither can they do anything afterwards! Ecclesiastes 9:5-6

So at death there's nothing like discovery!

sonmvayina:
You still don't get it? Do you...

We are spirt being dwelling within a physical body made from the DUST of the earth.. when the spirt leaves the body death occurs. ..the spirt is the real us. "Send forth YOUR spirt and they are created....take it and they die ..psalm 104:29-31..

It goes back to the spirt realm..spirit have no body to feel..and they are forbidden to interfere with what is going on ...on earth. God punish one of his prophet for conjuring the spirt of Samuel I guess.


Hope it is not over you.

MaxInDHouse:
The underlined is false!

At death nothing survives any creature!

sonmvayina:
Thus is where you are lost...
I have decided to get the new world translation of psalm 104: 29-31..
Read it and explain it how you understand it...
Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
And Jehovah God went on to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living person. Genesis 2:7

So it's the breath of life that's taken away not the personality in any form!

sonmvayina:
Breath = spirit = Nephesh
Explain the psalm

sonmvayina:
You still don't get it? Do you...

We are spirt being dwelling within a physical body made from the DUST of the earth.. when the spirt leaves the body death occurs. ..the spirt is the real us. "Send forth YOUR spirt and they are created....take it and they die ..psalm 104:29-31..

It goes back to the spirt realm..spirit have no body to feel..and they are forbidden to interfere with what is going on ...on earth. God punish one of his prophet for conjuring the spirt of Samuel I guess.


Hope it is not over you.

sonmvayina:
Thus is where you are lost...

I have decided to get the new world translation of psalm 104: 29-31..

Read it and explain it how you understand it...

Thanks

cornelboy:
Where was Adam's spirit before God breath into him?

cornelboy:
Note verse 29 and 30

Psalms 104:29-30 NLV
[29]But if you turn away from them, they panic.
    When you take away their breath,
    they die and turn again to dust.
[30]When you give them your breath, life is created,
    and you renew the face of the earth.

How did their changed to your??

cornelboy:
Note verse 29 and 30

Psalms 104:29-30 NLV
[29]But if you turn away from them, they panic.
    When you take away their breath,
    they die and turn again to dust.
[30]When you give them your breath, life is created,
    and you renew the face of the earth.

How did their changed to your??

cornelboy:
Where was Adam's spirit before God breath into him?

sonmvayina:
Genesis chapter 1 vs 1

cornelboy:
Note verse 29 and 30

Psalms 104:29-30 NLV
[29]But if you turn away from them, they panic.
    When you take away their breath,
    they die and turn again to dust.
[30]When you give them your breath, life is created,
    and you renew the face of the earth.

How did their changed to your??

cornelboy:
What's your answer bro?

cornelboy:
Where was Adam's spirit before God breath into him?

sonmvayina:
Man(living soul) = God spirit(breath )+ dust of the earth.

sonmvayina:
Thus is where you are lost...
I have decided to get the new world translation of psalm 104: 29-31..
Read it and explain it how you understand it...
Thanks

sonmvayina:
Man(living soul) = God spirit(breath )+ dust of the earth.

sonmvayina:
Genesis chapter 1

1.In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

cornelboy:
Are you saying the spirit of God is Adam's spirit?

Kobojunkie:
Wait.. didn't we,not long ago, go over the fact that the breath of God, which is spirit and belongs to God, is installed in every living creature on earth?

Didn't we conclude that that bread is necessary for life to exist and when taken away, life ceases, just as God decreed it so from the beginning?

Why are you desperately trying to prove this lie that you, a physical being, are spirit when God revealed that the Spirit is not man but His breath? Why do you seek validation for this lie you cling to against God in scripture?