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Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Acidosis(m): 7:26am On Feb 03, 2022
Magnoliaa:
This one that Naija men are suddenly in support of the modern age and equality on this thread, watin dey happen? grin grin

See all them craftily trying to slip out of the headship role. Head don dey pain una? cheesy LMAO!
grin grin grin

Head don dey shake
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Advancedman(m): 7:28am On Feb 03, 2022
Princess80:
Most times I see men asking the question of what ladies bring to the table.

Seriously, we aren't created to bring, we are to process, the man is the provider, he will bring everything for us to process.

If u give us bring sperm, we give u babies
If u give us groceries, we have to give u food
If u give a house, we give u a home
Give us frustration, and trust me, i will surely multiply it and give u hell.

In the bible, Adam had everything and had dominions over it, the woman only came to help him harvest his raw materials.

When it comes to finance, Oga it is 100% ur responsibility, I could only assist when my husband isn't making much and he had future plans or if I earn better than he does.
U can't share financial burden with me and still expect me to cater for the children, wash, cook, clean all alone and still gather enough strength for ur wahala at night.
Bringing money is the only thing a man does, why on earth will u share that very one with me? When I object, u will call me a feminist, Oga masculnist, I will not share.
Every other responsibility in a home belongs to me, while financial responsibilities must be shared abi.
Note: sharing financial burden and helping are two different things.

Oya let the insults pour 123 go.

Who is this alien FOOL?
Admin is every rubbish endorsed?
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by jikins(m): 7:28am On Feb 03, 2022
Magnoliaa:


Expectedly. cheesy What is doing my head in is traditional African men disagreeing with her. Ko tally rara.

What is doing my head in is your lazy assumption that every man replying is a traditional African man.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by nomenclature(m): 7:30am On Feb 03, 2022
Not "your childred" its "our childred"
Great0ne1:

So you want a woman to contribute equally financially with you, and you still expect her to clean, cook and nurse your children ?
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by mjfamily(m): 7:33am On Feb 03, 2022
Princess80:
Most times I see men asking the question of what ladies bring to the table.

Seriously, we aren't created to bring, we are to process, the man is the provider, he will bring everything for us to process.

If u give us bring sperm, we give u babies
If u give us groceries, we have to give u food
If u give a house, we give u a home
Give us frustration, and trust me, i will surely multiply it and give u hell.

In the bible, Adam had everything and had dominions over it, the woman only came to help him harvest his raw materials.

When it comes to finance, Oga it is 100% ur responsibility, I could only assist when my husband isn't making much and he had future plans or if I earn better than he does.
U can't share financial burden with me and still expect me to cater for the children, wash, cook, clean all alone and still gather enough strength for ur wahala at night.
Bringing money is the only thing a man does, why on earth will u share that very one with me? When I object, u will call me a feminist, Oga masculnist, I will not share.
Every other responsibility in a home belongs to me, while financial responsibilities must be shared abi.
Note: sharing financial burden and helping are two different things.

Oya let the insults pour 123 go.

You crazy.... It show all over you... Failure
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by jikins(m): 7:35am On Feb 03, 2022
AdaNri1:
When you get the surrogate will you not pay her? Or is surrogacy free? Then you do it 2-3x how much will it cost you? But you’ll marry a woman and expect her to pay 50% of the bills while you use her body as a free surrogate.
When you buy the food won’t you cook it? But when you want a special meal you’ll still go to a restaurant and pay to be fed the same quality of food a wife would have cooked for you.
One way or the other you will pay, wether in marriage or out of it you will pay. If you don’t pay it in your home you will pay it out of your home.

No woman will sit at home all day being unproductive , but no man should think his only job is to provide 50% of the money either but expects to be treated like a Lord.

You are just bringing your insecurities into what he said. Did he say he wanted to be treated as a Lord? He stance is basically a marriage of equals. And why do you think only women can cook a special meal? Ever heard of male chefs?
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Caseless: 7:35am On Feb 03, 2022
Princess80:
Most times I see men asking the question of what ladies bring to the table.

Seriously, we aren't created to bring, we are to process, the man is the provider, he will bring everything for us to process.

If u give us bring sperm, we give u babies
If u give us groceries, we have to give u food
If u give a house, we give u a home
Give us frustration, and trust me, i will surely multiply it and give u hell.

In the bible, Adam had everything and had dominions over it, the woman only came to help him harvest his raw materials.

When it comes to finance, Oga it is 100% ur responsibility, I could only assist when my husband isn't making much and he had future plans or if I earn better than he does.
U can't share financial burden with me and still expect me to cater for the children, wash, cook, clean all alone and still gather enough strength for ur wahala at night.
Bringing money is the only thing a man does, why on earth will u share that very one with me? When I object, u will call me a feminist, Oga masculnist, I will not share.
Every other responsibility in a home belongs to me, while financial responsibilities must be shared abi.
Note: sharing financial burden and helping are two different things.

Oya let the insults pour 123 go.
why do I find this funny? "wahala at night" lol


Tell your folks to stop asking for equality.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Magnoliaa(f): 7:36am On Feb 03, 2022
jikins:
What is doing my head in is your lazy assumption that every man replying is a traditional African man.

I don't care about every man. Assumption? Nah. cheesy I see these guys' comments and I 'know' them. On another thread, they'd be saying exactly the same thing the OP was saying here.

I referenced the traditional African men disagreeing with her, duhh. I never said all the men disagreeing with her are traditional 'African' men. grin tongue

Acidosis:
grin grin grin

Head don dey shake

Some of those guys are clowns, swears.

How are you?

Happy New Year. ✨✨ I don't think I've ever wished you directly or talked to you since the year started sef.

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Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Dannyboi7: 7:37am On Feb 03, 2022
rickleye:
I'll be frank and not coy. You must be the dumbest woman on this forum.
However, my senses are also telling me that the nonsense you dropped is just to seek out attention.

You have no idea what feminist means - equal opportunity for male and female. To them there are no male only roles and female only roles in society. What a man can do , I can do better - My response - You CAN"T.

" we are not created to provide but to process " No feminist says this. This is where you lose your diatribe.
Then you quote the bible and mention Eve. Like she is the best example out there. Her husband gave her detailed instructions of what to do and not to do. Yet she couldn't keep and relay simple instructions.

You not subscribing women to bring anything is what makes women, illiterates - not being sent to school. if all they do is sit down at home waiting to be impregnated , or given money to make food , turn a house to a home.

I do not and will not be involved with a lady who doesn't think she can do more with her life than what you mentioned. She is to be a "helpmate" an assistant. Both contributing with their skills to the success of the union.

I can buy groceries and cook so why do I need you to process.
I can adopt a child or get one through surrogacy, so why do I need you to process.
I can stage a house and buy homely stuff, so why do I need you to process .
When I get frustrated, I will go see a therapist, so lady why do i need you to process?

I do more than " bring the money" and when I decide to settle down - She better do more than "process"

Anyways, If you want to escalate your backward thinking to a voice call , I may be available.


I think I like what u said here, I hate d whole idea of feminism when in actual sense it is favoritism
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Banter1(m): 7:42am On Feb 03, 2022
I hate copy & paste.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by REALretep(m): 7:43am On Feb 03, 2022
Princess80:
Most times I see men asking the question of what ladies bring to the table.

Seriously, we aren't created to bring, we are to process, the man is the provider, he will bring everything for us to process.

If u give us bring sperm, we give u babies
If u give us groceries, we have to give u food
If u give a house, we give u a home
Give us frustration, and trust me, i will surely multiply it and give u hell.

In the bible, Adam had everything and had dominions over it, the woman only came to help him harvest his raw materials.

When it comes to finance, Oga it is 100% ur responsibility, I could only assist when my husband isn't making much and he had future plans or if I earn better than he does.
U can't share financial burden with me and still expect me to cater for the children, wash, cook, clean all alone and still gather enough strength for ur wahala at night.
Bringing money is the only thing a man does, why on earth will u share that very one with me? When I object, u will call me a feminist, Oga masculnist, I will not share.
Every other responsibility in a home belongs to me, while financial responsibilities must be shared abi.
Note: sharing financial burden and helping are two different things.

Oya let the insults pour 123 go.
These are my thoughts on this matter -
A man reserves his full masculine authority and commands respect in his home when he provides sufficiently and satisfactorily for his family.
A man however loses his full masculine authority and respect in his home when he provides insufficiently and unsatisfactorily for his family. For instance, if the wife provides fully or partly for the family (and the man had no hand in building the woman to that extent), then the man will command less respect in his home and will share his masculine authority with the wife.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Workch: 7:43am On Feb 03, 2022
Gospel2Day:
She raised valid points.
Please, let's stop this hostility we mete out to our females.
I know they have their faults and excesses, but we males are not without our own faults and foibles too.
My question is If you employ a maid, visit prostitutes and employ extra lessons teacher for your kids, calculate how much you will be spending monthly as their salaries.
Do those three jobs that people engage in to make ends meet deserve remuneration?
If you pay your wife the same amount you pay your maid and the lesson teacher and the oloshos you sin with every month, will you still accuse your wife of bringing NOTHING to the table?
You want a woman to do the duties of a maid, a lesson teacher and a mistress who helps you quench your urge to merge with the opposite sex and who carries your babies, often with the risks of dying during childbirth FOR FREE, non gratis, simply because she is a wife.
But you will gladly pay for such services as long as those who render such services are not legally married to you.
What every woman needs to bring to the table is her readiness to keep and manage your home businesses, to cook, clean, carry your babies, care for your babies and copulate with you and be your companion.
She can then secure a job or you help her to set up a small business that frees her to perform her homely duties well.
Pressuring your wife to work from 7 am to 7 pm like you do will expose your home front and your children to serious societal ills and social dysfunctions.
I know a lady that used to be abandoned by parents and granny. A lesbian neighbour began to have lesbian sex with her EVERYDAY from age 5 till when she turned 15, when they moved away from the place.
So, let's STOP harrasing our females. They're our grannies, mothers, wives, sisters, cousins, nieces and daughters.
We should rather love, care for them and protect them. But we should not spoil them by always granting their entitlement mentality.
The simple solution is: LEAVE WOMEN ALONE UNTIL YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO CATER FOR THEM AND THEIR CHILDREN.
No man who cannot control himself, who always needs to fornicate with women to quench his urge for sex should complain when the women demand that he provides for their financial needs.
Shalom.
You are stupid, maybe you are 19 Years and Nigerian girls never do you something.

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Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by KingOfTheDamned: 7:43am On Feb 03, 2022
Magnoliaa:


I don't care about every man. Assumption? Nah. cheesy I see these guys' comments and I 'know' them. On another thread, they'd be saying exactly the same thing the OP was saying here.

I referenced the patriarchal men disagreeing with her, duhh. I never said all the men disagreeing with her are patriarchal men. grin tongue



Some of those guys are clowns, swears.

How are you?

Happy New Year. ✨✨ I don't think I've ever wished you directly or talked to you since the year started sef.
You are not going to escape me

I want you
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Magnoliaa(f): 7:46am On Feb 03, 2022
Gospel2Day:
She raised valid points.

Shalom.

How much is your groom price, sire? kiss kiss

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Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by jikins(m): 7:49am On Feb 03, 2022
Magnoliaa:


I don't care about every man. Assumption? Nah. cheesy I see these guys' comments and I 'know' them. On another thread, they'd be saying exactly the same thing the OP was saying here.

I mentioned patriarchal men disagreeing with her, duhh. I never said all the men disagreeing with her are patriarchal men. grin tongue


Right right, yet in many of your post on this thread your default settings is that the person you are replying to is a traditional man. It's why you asked questions like "I thought this is what you guys want?", "why is the money part paining you?".

But since you claim you know "these guys" well I'll take your word for it.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by KingOfTheDamned: 7:51am On Feb 03, 2022
Magnoliaa:


How much is your groom price, sire? kiss kiss

That's not funny angry

You are mine, woman!!!
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by sparko1(m): 7:52am On Feb 03, 2022
Princess80:
Most times I see men asking the question of what ladies bring to the table.

Seriously, we aren't created to bring, we are to process, the man is the provider, he will bring everything for us to process.

If u give us bring sperm, we give u babies
If u give us groceries, we have to give u food
If u give a house, we give u a home
Give us frustration, and trust me, i will surely multiply it and give u hell.

In the bible, Adam had everything and had dominions over it, the woman only came to help him harvest his raw materials.

When it comes to finance, Oga it is 100% ur responsibility, I could only assist when my husband isn't making much and he had future plans or if I earn better than he does.
U can't share financial burden with me and still expect me to cater for the children, wash, cook, clean all alone and still gather enough strength for ur wahala at night.
Bringing money is the only thing a man does, why on earth will u share that very one with me? When I object, u will call me a feminist, Oga masculnist, I will not share.
Every other responsibility in a home belongs to me, while financial responsibilities must be shared abi.
Note: sharing financial burden and helping are two different things.

Oya let the insults pour 123 go.

You are young, you are a little carried away with the attention you are getting from every male that find you appealing, I get it, you feel on top of the world, give it time, in every beginning there is an ending!

You are not ready for marriage, stick to your boyfriend chasing or better still yahoo boys chasing endeavor, if you are lucky, you might become a slave to one by the time you are 30.

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Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by KaptainAfrika: 7:53am On Feb 03, 2022
Women bring that b00bs and vagene...which is a good cumpensation for all the headaches they cause.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Banter1(m): 7:54am On Feb 03, 2022
Magnoliaa:

She's not a feminist and doesn't believe in equality and all that. She said it. She obviously thinks men and women have different roles. What's your point?


Oga, she's not a feminist. And she's just one person. Which ladies? What baseless assumptions? Are you saying that you disagree with her premise - that is a man is the provider and a woman is the helper? grin


I see. So when it comes to responsiblities, you like sharing 50/50, not so? grin If divorce happens now, assuming you're married to this lady, and based on the contributions you've said you made, if the court divides YOUR EQUAL properties 50/50, shey you will not cry?

So despite you claiming to have a partner that equally shares things with you, you're still bitter about Nigerian girls? grin How do they even correlate?

'Sides, you strike me as a redpiller. So in your white man's country, you share duties with your gf, she earns 3x more than you do, you were a baby daddy before you met her, and she has invested in you. Would you call yourself a simp or an alpha, kind sir, based on the conditions above?
Mr defender be calming down now. Abi na your babe? You sound like a guy
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by mudiana(m): 7:54am On Feb 03, 2022
Princess80:
Most times I see men asking the question of what ladies bring to the table.

Seriously, we aren't created to bring, we are to process, the man is the provider, he will bring everything for us to process.

If u give us bring sperm, we give u babies
If u give us groceries, we have to give u food
If u give a house, we give u a home
Give us frustration, and trust me, i will surely multiply it and give u hell.

In the bible, Adam had everything and had dominions over it, the woman only came to help him harvest his raw materials.

When it comes to finance, Oga it is 100% ur responsibility, I could only assist when my husband isn't making much and he had future plans or if I earn better than he does.
U can't share financial burden with me and still expect me to cater for the children, wash, cook, clean all alone and still gather enough strength for ur wahala at night.
Bringing money is the only thing a man does, why on earth will u share that very one with me? When I object, u will call me a feminist, Oga masculnist, I will not share.
Every other responsibility in a home belongs to me, while financial responsibilities must be shared abi.
Note: sharing financial burden and helping are two different things.

Oya let the insults pour 123 go.
I almost married my ex because of this kind of talk. Thank God I didn't cos sapa for dey hold my throat by now. The woman I married now changed my life completely with wat she brought to the table. With our efforts we were able to get better living for us and our children. My guys no go marry okpetu cos of this write up oh! I use God beg una.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Floppy(m): 7:59am On Feb 03, 2022
I totally agree.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Teespice(f): 7:59am On Feb 03, 2022
Abfinest007:
Entitlement mentality.good girls in the house please don't listen to this trash cuz d bible says woman be submissive to ur husband .it also say woman is a helpmate to the man

Same Bible also says that men should love their wives or did you "conveniently" forget that?
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Gospel2Day: 8:00am On Feb 03, 2022
Workch:
You are stupid, maybe you are 19 Years and Nigerian girls never do you something.

You sound like the 19 years here by your disrespectful and abusive response.
The Nigerian girls that did you something did they put gun to your brains to date them by force?
Your lack of self control and sensibility is the culprit here, NOT the girls you are accusing.
If you had stayed away from them and focus on becoming something in life, would any girl do you something?
You disregard the laws of God, fornicate as though there is NO God and His commandment Thou Shalt NOT Commit Sexual Sins, and you think there will be no consequences?
That's a simple way to be foolish.
Leave the girls alone. Let them be.
If that's too difficult for you to do, then blame yourself for your lack of self control..
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Banter1(m): 8:01am On Feb 03, 2022
GoodHardDick:


This is the most useless thread I have ever read on nairaland. angry

You weren't created to bring anything to the table, but you were created to take abi? Entitlement mentality kill you there. Mumu.

This is why they'll keep on using you girls to do rituals. Relax and be waiting for a SIMP man to come find you so he can be doing everything for you. I pity Simps!

I keep saying it,
Dating a Nigerian girl is a complete waste of time, energy and resources. They have absolutely nothing meaningful to offer a man in a relationship apart from their over used pussies.

Date a Nigeria girl at your own peril. angry


ROTFLMAO
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Nobody: 8:03am On Feb 03, 2022
rickleye:


Madam Ada - But thats not what the OP is saying.
I am simply saying, I don't want the traditional wife who just goes to college get a BSc and plans only just to "Process" what I "provide". Like I am some magical unicorn that just provides and she just " processes"
I am not saying I wont provide, far from it but it must be joint or close 50/50 . The areas of provision may differ , let me give you an example with my live in gf.
I have an excel sheet which details our expenses
So rent for example 2.5M I contributed 60% she pays 40%
Food I pay 100%
Misc She pays 100%
Cars I contributed 70% she 30% . If we split we keep are separate vehicles
Outings We contribute to a savings account - Joint 2 signatory
Kids We contribute to a savings account
etc
The rational behind this - I wont spend what I dont have and It makes her feel like she is contributor to the success of the union . A co-owner. I have seen men work their ass of to provide for family all alone. He gets sick and dies and the woman's life is ruin - because she was just a processor and not both. Women can both provide and process.
I get that now. So it’s different from what I’m against. There’s a Nigerian girl that lives near us and every time she’s filled with anxiety because of the financial mess in their home. Not long arrived the country and her husband is shouting “no woman should put herself in me” he doesn’t provide money to feed his kids. The girl said her family gave them a lot and are getting fed up with the man. honestly I’ve felt like reporting that man to social services. All I’m saying is; let your formula work. If it’s not working change it. In the end everyone deserves to be happy

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Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Gospel2Day: 8:04am On Feb 03, 2022
Magnoliaa:


How much is your groom price, sire? kiss kiss

For how long will the bride price you paid to marry her last before it expires, if you are paying her 100k every month to serve you as your maid, sex worker and extra lesson teacher?
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by BigBashiru: 8:04am On Feb 03, 2022
sparko1:


You are young, you are a little carried away with the attention you are getting from every male that find you appealing, I get it, you feel on top of the world, give it time, in every beginning there is an ending!

You are not ready for marriage, stick to your boyfriend chasing or better still yahoo boys chasing endeavor, if you are lucky, you might become a slave to one by the time you are 30.

The decline starts at 25....also at 25 is when men start wanting her primarily for just sex..... by 30 only use and dump type guys will be interested....
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by HRMK: 8:04am On Feb 03, 2022
YES,THAT WAS THE WAY GOD ARRANGED IT!YOU THEN DONT COME TO THE MAN CLAIMING EQUALITY OR CALLING YOURSELVES BETTER HALF OF YOUR HUSBAND!YOUR HUSBAND IS YOUR BOSS,YOUR MASTER!I AM SURE YOU KNOW WHAT SARAH CALLED HER HUSBAND?LET ALL THE WIVES DO SAME!ITS SETTLED!!

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Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by sayso: 8:04am On Feb 03, 2022
She got a job and started paying for recharge cards and possibly cable TV not knowing the details of a union. Pity her people of goodwill. Just like the tortoise will surely crawl back into the shell and cry herself to sleep.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Nobody: 8:05am On Feb 03, 2022
Princess80:
Most times I see men asking the question of what ladies bring to the table.

Seriously, we aren't created to bring, we are to process, the man is the provider, he will bring everything for us to process.

If u give us bring sperm, we give u babies
If u give us groceries, we have to give u food
If u give a house, we give u a home
Give us frustration, and trust me, i will surely multiply it and give u hell.

In the bible, Adam had everything and had dominions over it, the woman only came to help him harvest his raw materials.

When it comes to finance, Oga it is 100% ur responsibility, I could only assist when my husband isn't making much and he had future plans or if I earn better than he does.
U can't share financial burden with me and still expect me to cater for the children, wash, cook, clean all alone and still gather enough strength for ur wahala at night.
Bringing money is the only thing a man does, why on earth will u share that very one with me? When I object, u will call me a feminist, Oga masculnist, I will not share.
Every other responsibility in a home belongs to me, while financial responsibilities must be shared abi.
Note: sharing financial burden and helping are two different things.

Oya let the insults pour 123 go.
Please you don't have to get married to a man.
MARRIAGE is not compulsory.
Do you really need a man?
What do you really need a man for?
You can get yourself Dildos or settle for Ladies.
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by kaboninc(m): 8:06am On Feb 03, 2022
elantraceey:
And truthfully, bringing money is actually the easiest job in a home.

Really?
Re: Don't ask What We Bring To The Table, Women Aren't Suppose To Bring Anything by Magnoliaa(f): 8:07am On Feb 03, 2022
jikins:
Right right, yet in many of your post on this thread your default settings is that the person you are replying to is a traditional man. It's why you asked questions like "I thought this is what you guys want?", "why is the money part paining you?".

- The most of the people I quoted are traditional guys. Or they say they are.

- Hardly did one of them set me right about any mix-ups on my part concerning them.

- Even if I quoted someone who wasn't traditional to highlight a reason or point, it doesn't negate the fact that other self-identified traditional men are disagreeing with the OP. They are on this thread.

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