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Janosky:
Oga, be honest to yourself

My four questions to you:
According to your Bible @ John 20:17, is Jesus Christ "your God and his "my God"?
Jesus Christ is ascending to meet which God?

In other words, who did Jesus call "my God"?
Who did Jesus Christ call "your God"?

tctrills:
None of these scriptures here say Jesus isn't Jehovah or God.

tctrills:
It only makes sense that the son of a God is also a God. Hence Psalms 82.6 I have said, "You are gods; you are all children of The Highest!

tctrills:
Just because the father is a God doesn't mean his children are not Gods. In fact, the children of a God should be Gods.

tctrills:
Let me answer with some little questions of mine. this would make it very easy for you to understand
According to Isaiah 43:11. Jehovah is the only savior.
According to Acts 4:12, Philippians 3:20, 2 Timothy 1:10 Jesus Christ is the savior.
According to Obadiah 1:21, There would be Saviours in mount zion.

Is Jesus Christ the only Saviour spoken about in Isaiah? How many saviors do we have? Is Jesus Christ even our savior?

Oga, Did you see the word "Saviour in John 20:17?
In John 20:1-30, did you see the world Saviour?

Janosky:
Oga, Did you see the word "Saviour in John 20:17?
In John 20:1-30, did you see the world Saviour?




Oga, you have dodged 4 pertinent questions:
My four questions to you:
According to your Bible @ John 20:17, is Jesus Christ "your God and his "my God"?
Jesus Christ is ascending to meet which God?

In other words, who did Jesus call "my God"?
Who did Jesus Christ call "your God"?

Janosky:
John 3:16 ,did JEHOVAH send himself?
John 5:37 & Exodus 33:20, Was JEHOVAH God seen by men?

Jehovah Ha Eloheeenu (the God) is NOT a God, 1 kings 18:39.
John 10:35-36, Jesus Christ is a god.


Is Jesus his Father's son in heaven (Revelation 3:5,21) the Most High God?

tctrills:
I answered your question with a question. If you understand why the bible said we have only one savior in Isaiah and mentioned many saviours, then you would understand why the father of Jesus Christ should be a God

tctrills:
I answered your question with a question. If you understand why the bible said we have only one savior in Isaiah and mentioned many saviours,

tctrills:
then you would understand why the father of Jesus Christ should be a God

tctrills:
Our Heavenly Father sent Jehovah. Jehovah has a Father.
Exodus
And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob by the name of God Almighty, but by My name Jehovah was I not known to them.

He often came inthe name of the father, hence its easy to think it was the Father speaking. Do you get

Janosky:
Matthew 27:46, your JEHOVAH was begging himself?
Trinity na SCAM full time

Janosky:
Oga, answer those 4 questions.
You already know know why you dodged them.
Exposure of Trinity GIBBERISH
Luke 24:21, according to the Jews, is Jesus Christ the Saviour of Israel?
Definitely not!
Your claim on Isaiah 43:11 is NOT true.
Jesus Christ is NOT JEHOVAH.


Why would your own Jesus (you call JEHOVAH the Most High) have a Father in heaven?
I actually answered. Am I not allowed to answer with a simple question?

Trinity dey robb the SENSE of sane people jare

cornelboy:
Janosky no mind am i don answer this same questions.

cornelboy:
Janosky no mind am i don answer this same questions.

Janosky:
Oga, this is your own post.

I am that I am is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, ’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye ([ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– also "I am who I am," "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am," "I will be what I will be," "I create what(ever) I create," or "I am the Existing One."[1] The traditional English translation within Judaism favors "I will be what I will be" because there is no present tense of the verb "to be" in the Hebrew language.

According to your post, 3 facts stand out:
#1
"I AM that I AM' , is it the Hebrew translation of Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh?
Then you did not understand. The point is when you begin to point to scholars, There are so many of them with so many viewpoints. I showed you this to prove that I Am is Jehovahs name.
No !
The English coined the phrase "I AM that I AM"

#2
The adherents of Judaism (the Hebrews/Jews, native speakers of Hebrew language) say their own Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is "I will be what I will be"/ I will become what I will become"

#3
According to your post, is there "present tense "I AM" in the Hebrew language"?

"I AM" doesn't exist in Hebrew, why do you attach that claim to Jesus when you know I AM has no connection to the God and Father of Jesus?

NOTHING concern Jesus with your spurious claim of 'I AM'.

Janosky:
Where is the "limitation" when God has already Revealed His name in verse 15 and given the meaning of His name in Exodus 3:14?

tctrills:
If you agree that Jesus is your Savior like the new testament says and you believe that our Heavenly Father is your only Saviour. And you also believe the words of Obadiah about many Saviours on mount zion then Why do you have any Issue when the same bible Teaches that Jesus is God and our Heavenly Father is God and even Man is called God.
This shouldn't be hard for you to understand.

You never did that is why I am asking your big brother

But you have a chance to answer now. Is Jesus Christ your Saviour?

tctrills:
You never did that is why I am asking your big brother. But you have a chance to answer now. Is Jesus Christ your Saviour?

tctrills:
If you agree that Jesus is your Savior like the new testament says and you believe that our Heavenly Father is your only Saviour. And you also believe the words of Obadiah about many Saviours on mount zion then Why do you have any Issue when the same bible Teaches that Jesus is God and our Heavenly Father is God and even Man is called God.
This shouldn't be hard for you to understand.

cornelboy:
Janosky no mind am i don answer this same questions.

cornelboy:
I don't know if you want me to quote those verses again. God is the SAVIOR and he chose to save through Jesus.

Samson was a savior of Israel for one time. There were other saviors too.

God used the people to save Israel.

Was Samson a savior? Yes!
Was Jesus a savior? Yes.

But God, the Father is the SAVIOR!


I just de look you

GOD the Father is my Savior, he saved me through Christ.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
[9]For God chose to save us through our Lord Jesus Christ, not to pour out his anger on us.

If you don't get it, forget bout it

Janosky:
Where is the "limitation" when God has already Revealed His name in verse 15 and given the meaning of His name in Exodus 3:14?

Janosky:
Oga, this is your own post.

I am that I am is a common English translation of the Hebrew phrase אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, ’ehye ’ăšer ’ehye ([ʔehˈje ʔaˈʃer ʔehˈje])– also "I am who I am," "I will become what I choose to become", "I am what I am," "I will be what I will be," "I create what(ever) I create," or "I am the Existing One."[1] The traditional English translation within Judaism favors "I will be what I will be" because there is no present tense of the verb "to be" in the Hebrew language.

According to your post, 3 facts stand out:
#1
"I AM that I AM' , is it the Hebrew translation of Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh?
No !
The English coined the phrase "I AM that I AM"

#2
The adherents of Judaism (the Hebrews/Jews, native speakers of Hebrew language) say their own Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh is "I will be what I will be"/ I will become what I will become"

#3
According to your post, is there "present tense "I AM" in the Hebrew language"?

"I AM" doesn't exist in Hebrew, why do you attach that claim to Jesus when you know I AM has no connection to the God and Father of Jesus?

NOTHING concern Jesus with your spurious claim of 'I AM'.

tctrills:
Let me answer with some little questions of mine. this would make it very easy for you to understand
According to Isaiah 43:11. Jehovah is the only savior.
According to Acts 4:12, Philippians 3:20, 2 Timothy 1:10 Jesus Christ is the savior.
According to Obadiah 1:21, There would be Saviours in mount zion.

Is Jesus Christ the only Saviour spoken about in Isaiah? How many saviors do we have? Is Jesus Christ even our savior?

Nobody555:
Important note!
Pls ensure to make your responses short and precise. Referencing the bible is very essential. No insult on personal level or religion is allowed pls. Let's try to portray Christ in our character and how we interact with others. Don't try to force your opinions on others, it's an open discussion. When proving your point, asking questions is better than making assertions.

Since when i was in my early teens, i have been finding it hard to comprehend and believe the Trinity. I'm often told that I need to believe God as mystery. So i wonder, how can I know or walk with a mystery God?
I also wonder if the the disciples and the early church understand God as three persons in one God or one God in three persons or just one singular God, a person?

John 14:17,26
[17]He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.......
[26]But when the Father sends the Advocate as my representative—that is, the Holy Spirit—he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I have told you.

The question here is if the holy spirit taught the apostles and first believers everything and led them into all truth, why are we still left to believe God as mystery?
Another question is those that established the Trinity doctrine years later after the early christians, were they led by the holy spirit?

"Trinitarians believe that the one God eternally exists in three Persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and that these three are one God, co-equal and co-eternal, having precisely the same nature and attributes, and worthy of precisely the same worship, confidence, and obedience".

Now this thread will focus mainly on the "COEQUALNESS" of the Trinity members. Other qualities will be discussed in my subsequent thread.
Is the Father greater than the son?
Are YHWH and Jesus really coequal?

John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.
1 Corinthians 11:3
[3]But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.