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sreamsense:
You are derailing from core arguement. First, we are talking about best minds in science class who in their majority usually end up in engineering or medicine more than any other courses and then use it to determine harder course of study between medicine and engineering at University level.

Students that end up in medicine and engineering are usually balance in all subjects unlike those that study maths science or maths education who are either good in maths only and deficient in other subjects that may limit their chances from getting engineering admission. You see that maths/further maths is hard for majority, it is not hard only because of name. Infact it was generally known as add/additional maths before with notion that maybe students run away from it because of "additional" which was misconstrued as "hard" just like you pointed in your submission.

However, after changing it to further maths, they still discovered student run away from it because majority find it difficult to pass than other so many science students (...with exception of few...) choose their future courses of study or subject combinations where they will not come back in life to meet such difficult subject, which make majority that would have come to engineering to seek refuge in medicine, nursing and phamarcy.

Further maths majority run away from in secondary school turns out to be "a b c" of engineering maths and its related application. Check progression of hard subject from WAEC level, UTME subject combination, Post UTME to course of study in University, engineering remains harder course between medicine and engineering. If you put them in any other faculty like science, education etc., you should expect expectional performances ( ...except in few cases...on both sides).

Well, the good thing is that you have agreed maths is not a difficult subject, not even further maths. The simple truth is that we have poor mathematics teachers around who instead of teach students basic mathematical concept resort to instilling fear in them.

The hardest course to study in the university is yourself, if you don't make effort in discovering yourself, your strength, your weakness and what have you, then one will have problem about hardest course and whatsoever in the university.
A man that has discovered his/her self does not have problem with the hardest course, because he/she knows want it takes to pursue and accomplish that which he/she have set his/her heart to do/become.
Bottom line is discover yourself and what is it that you want from life.

Antidote333:
Well, the good thing is that you have agreed maths is not a difficult subject, not even further maths. The simple truth is that we have poor mathematics teachers around who instead of teach students basic mathematical concept resort to instilling fear in them.

Is like you don't understand the context of my last submission ? Where is the agreement over my submission? I am not the one to direct your question to wheather maths/further maths is hard or not for majority. You can gather yearly statistics from Jamb, WAEC and Neco to tell which subject students find more difficult most between maths/further maths and biology or you can forward your question to them and wait for valid response from them also?

Even government knows by spending more money on mathematics than biology. There is no subject where you don't have poor teacher; it varies from school to school, there are always many variables to comsider but we are talking in general here. Government and ministry of education usually pay more attention to mathematics than biology at secondary school level because it is bedrock of science, technology and engineering and also because more students find it more difficult to understand.

Biology and maths that serve as rudiment subjects that distinguish medicine from engineering are both general subjects. Many from Art class, social science and commercial class who end up studying law, accounting, business admin and so forth find maths more difficult than biology. Many of them pass biology easily but find maths more difficult. So, getting to science class, more people find further maths more difficult than biology. It remains least subject science students register at WAEC level because many find it more difficult and therefore, reshape kinds of course of study in the university. Engineering continue with tougher courses on getting to university than medicine.

sreamsense:
Is like you don't understand the context of my last submission ? Where is the agreement over my submission? I am not the one to direct your question to wheather maths/further maths is hard or not for majority. You can gather yearly statistics from Jamb, WAEC and Neco to tell which subject students find more difficult most between maths/further maths and biology or you can forward your question to them and wait for valid response from them also?

Even government knows by spending more money on mathematics than biology. There is no subject where you don't have poor teacher; it varies from school to school, there are always many variables to comsider but we are talking in general here. Government and ministry of education usually pay more attention to mathematics than biology at secondary school level because it is bedrock of science, technology and engineering and also because more students find it more difficult to understand.

Biology and maths that serve as rudiment subjects that distinguish medicine from engineering are both general subjects. Many from Art class, social science and commercial class who end up studying law, accounting, business admin and so forth find maths more difficult than biology. Many of them pass biology easily but find maths more difficult. So, getting to science class, more people find further maths more difficult than biology. It remains least subject science students register at WAEC level because many find it more difficult and therefore, reshape kinds of course of study in the university. Engineering continue with tougher courses on getting to university than medicine.

You are being sentimental here. It appears so that govt spend on mathematics not because of how difficult is it but that it is a general subject. Everyone is required to pass maths & English at SSCE level. That is the sole reason.

What makes you think mathematics is a difficult subject? What makes u think Engineering students are super intelligent?

There are so many average students who end end up studying engineering than medicine.
The reason is not far fetched. The competition for the course is stiff so majority of those who end up gaining admission to study it have been scaled to the extreme.

sreamsense:
Is like you don't understand the context of my last submission ? Where is the agreement over my submission? I am not the one to direct your question to wheather maths/further maths is hard or not for majority. You can gather yearly statistics from Jamb, WAEC and Neco to tell which subject students find more difficult most between maths/further maths and biology or you can forward your question to them and wait for valid response from them also?

Even government knows by spending more money on mathematics than biology. There is no subject where you don't have poor teacher; it varies from school to school, there are always many variables to comsider but we are talking in general here. Government and ministry of education usually pay more attention to mathematics than biology at secondary school level because it is bedrock of science, technology and engineering and also because more students find it more difficult to understand.

Biology and maths that serve as rudiment subjects that distinguish medicine from engineering are both general subjects. Many from Art class, social science and commercial class who end up studying law, accounting, business admin and so forth find maths more difficult than biology. Many of them pass biology easily but find maths more difficult. So, getting to science class, more people find further maths more difficult than biology. It remains least subject science students register at WAEC level because many find it more difficult and therefore, reshape kinds of course of study in the university. Engineering continue with tougher courses on getting to university than medicine.

Now, you've been talking about biology since. It will interest you to know that my friend decided to study engineering instead of medicine cos of biology.
He couldn't see himself reading all day without doing some calculations.

So it is important to factor in what drives one to those courses. Some science students don't fancy reading. This is where the medical student aspirants have the upper hand.

Antidote333:
Now, you've been talking about biology since. It will interest you to know that my friend decided to study engineering instead of medicine cos of biology.
He couldn't see himself reading all day without doing some calculations.

So it is important to factor in what drives one to those courses. Some science students don't fancy reading. This is where the medical student aspirants have the upper hand.

We are talking about majority here you are talking about your friend. We are talking about global factor, you are using local factor to judge majority. It is globally known that maths is harder than biology. Do your online research or get yearly statistical data from WAEC, NECO and JAMB to find out yourself.

You can also read this research work carefully to see result of how about 300 science students reacted to given questionnaires and how previous researches indicates how maths remains most difficult not to talk of further maths. Even physics and Chemistry are considered harder than biology: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED581534.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj4tdy1-oH2AhWPzIUKHaB6BaMQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1NZ4UVNgx2G-fmujRsktyl

You can perform your own research too by distributing your questionaires to large population sample among science students in some selected schools without inducing your biases. Do it then times, it will always be maths. Which implies Further maths is not in the league of biology in hardness. Therefore, engineering is tougher than medicine because engineering continues with more difficult subjects from secondary school down to university level.

sreamsense:
We are talking about majority here you are talking about your friend. We are talking about global factor, you are using local factor to judge majority. It is globally known that maths is harder than biology. Do your online research or get yearly statistical data from WAEC, NECO and JAMB to find out yourself.

You can also read this research work carefully to see result of how about 300 science students reacted to given questionnaires and how previous researches indicates how maths remains most difficult not to talk of further maths. Even physics and Chemistry are considered harder than biology: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED581534.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwj4tdy1-oH2AhWPzIUKHaB6BaMQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1NZ4UVNgx2G-fmujRsktyl

You can perform your own research too by distributing your questionaires to large population sample among science students in some selected schools without inducing your biases. Do it then times, it will always be maths. Which implies Further maths is not in the league of biology in hardness. Therefore, engineering is tougher than medicine because engineering continues with more difficult subjects from secondary school down to university level.

There is something you need to understand about studies or research. Researchers usually extrapolate their results to the general population. You don't need to study every singular individual in the world to reach a conclusion.

You sample a few representatives of a whole & make generalization based on your findings.

I just gave you an instant where someone's reason for studying engineering wasn't based on how simple biology is but how boring it is.
I haven't Argued in favor of biology being a much difficult course than mathematics. Pls don't misquote me.

However, if we want to talk about biology as a subject in its entirety, pls permit me to state that biology is harder & broader than mathematics.

Mathematics is static, not dynamic. Once u understand a principle, that is it.
Yo can use it to solve any problem related to that topic(The basis to understanding mathematics is in the laws of indices). This is not so with biology especially if you are to compare indices with the basis to understanding biology which is taxonomy.

Never you undermine biology. It's too broad.

NohurryInLife:
Though e hard true true. But just dey familiar with the courses e go later look simple to you.

Which level you dey??

400lv
Wbu

Angel55555:
400lv
Wbu

Done bro!
Na only Equity & trust, Land law & Evidence ppl dey always complain that year wey I dey school. But for me, e no too hard.
Na to just dey familiar with your studies.

NohurryInLife:
Done bro!
Na only Equity & trust, Land law & Evidence ppl dey always complain that year wey I dey school. But for me, e no too hard.
Na to just dey familiar with your studies.

Wow, wish you success bro thanks

sreamsense:
Forget about that, there are many courses in engineering that physics can't near. Engineering is considered superior to physics. Many students that can't secure admission in engineering are usually dropped to physic ( higher concentration to lower concentration). Nobody will carry somebody from physic to engineering directly except he repeats one year.

Majority of students studying engineering are best in physics and further maths from secondary school while majority studying physics are average in physics and further maths(with very few exception). So if you swap, all engineering to do physics that looks so difficult to you and all physics students are switched over to engineering.

Offcourse, you agree with me that majority of engineering are above average, they will all pass physics that you considered difficult easily while majority of those studying physics are either below or at average level right from secondary school and because many of them are not exceptional in further maths before, they considered that quantum physics as difficult.

Majority of best in physics and further maths from secondary are already in different engineering departments; so quantum physics can be most difficult than engineering related courses. It is because majority of people studying physics are average or below average from secondary school and many didn't do further maths from secondary school, that is why they think it is difficult. At this stage, you can only be comparing medicine and engineering because they attracted most brilliant students from science class.

Many of the bests in science class will either go for medicine or engineering. Therefore, it is only in these two courses you can determine harder course because best students from secondary are studying them. If brilliant minds from these departments are telling you their courses are hard, you have to listen to them because they are best minds now complaining despite their brilliances

This is funny....courses like?, I did Engineering in my first degree and I have strong upper credit 4. Plus, so you think because they dropped students that didn't qualify for engineering to physics it makes the course easy?. Check the list of people with the highest IQ in the world they are either physicist or mathematicians. Engineers builds on discoveries made physicist and mathematicians, I bet you feel you guys did more maths than physics students right?? Get your facts right, go online and read. In MIT you are allowed to write answers inside a sheet on paper and take it in during your physics exam but I bet you it won't do you any good.

Basiljoe:
From what I heard, most political science lecturers are very difficult are rarely give 1st class. I haven't seen a Nigerian political science 1st class degree holder.

The question is about the course not the lecturer