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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Grandmeister(m): 2:45pm On Feb 22, 2022

GardenOfGod:
You are hit very hard... The question really hit you hard.
Now we are communicating.... Let me position your reasoning in a saner perspective.

I am surprised that all the things you mentioned Christ did were never PART of his mission...

Was Jesus sent to the earth just to bath or taking a dump or farted
Absolutely NOT! That's why those things were never recorded. Are you satisfied?

And may you know that he said this to establish his mission...
What did he say he came to do?
"I came to do the WILL OF MY FATHER"

What is the will of the Father?

2Jhn.1:9 "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son"

What did Paul say concerning Christians and Christ?
1Co 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ
Paul and the rest of the Apostles followed the example of Christ by NOT PAYING TITHE AND NON OF THEM EVER TAUGHT ANY CHRISTIAN TO PAY TITHE.

Again I ask you to tell us the relationship between High Priest and tithe in the old testament.
I want you to learn your scripture like Timothy did.

You LIE. What was the reason Paul and Peter had heated arguments? That he even went up to Jerusalem to meet the founding disciples? Was it not because of the intermingling and imposition of Jewish laws on non Jewish converts? You all seem to forget that there were Jews who also converted to Christianity. They didn’t stop their Jewish traditions and that doesn’t make them any less Christian than those in Antioch!

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Grandmeister(m): 2:48pm On Feb 22, 2022

Yomiie:
. When jesus was still alive, he practice jews law, his parents even sacrifice two turtle doves according to the jews tradition when he was born... Jesus was born under the law galatians 4:4... But when jesus died, he nailed those laws on the across when he said it is finish, he has come to fulfil the law, now we are under grace not under the law roman 6:14.

Good good! You know and understand your scripture. Unlike those who will claim Christ never practiced Jewish laws just to massage their scriptural misconceptions. But let me ask you..is circumcision part of the law or not?

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by emapeteum(m): 2:58pm On Feb 22, 2022

YinkaOlusesi16:
All of you abusing the pastor lack spiritual understanding. One thing that is certain about tithe is that if you dont pay ur tithe to GOD, the devil will collect it from you with force.

Your points stem from the limited knowledge you have. it really that some slaves may not really know that they are slaves

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by GardenOfGod(m): 3:07pm On Feb 22, 2022

Diverting attention again grin

Grandmeister:
You LIE. What was the reason Paul and Peter had heated arguments? That he even went up to Jerusalem to meet the founding disciples? Was it not because of the intermingling and imposition of Jewish laws on non Jewish converts? You all seem to forget that there were Jews who also converted to Christianity. They didn’t stop their Jewish traditions and that doesn’t make them any less Christian than those in Antioch!

.... And they were arguing about payment of tithe?

You are running away from the core challenge.

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by GardenOfGod(m): 3:14pm On Feb 22, 2022

Grandmeister:
Good good! You know and understand your scripture. Unlike those who will claim Christ never practiced Jewish laws just to massage their scriptural misconceptions. But let me ask you..is circumcision part of the law or not?

Yes Christ practiced Jewish laws and they were recorded....
In all his commandment and teachings, has he ever taught his Apostles or disciples to play tithe? On what basis are you paying tithe? Whose authority? Whose command?
Probably Emperor Pastor David Ibiyeomie.... The new Christ! grin

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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by LieDetector(m): 3:23pm On Feb 22, 2022*

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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Ochelyko1: 3:24pm On Feb 22, 2022

This is how the scribe and Pharisee accused Jesus Christ as criminal, because he doesn't teach or practice their laws and tradition.

Same way a criminal pastor who is collecting TITHE, when He is not a Levites which is ordained by God in the law for only the Levites are to collect TITHE.

And also a criminal who have change the origin of tithe from farm produces, animals and wine to Money!

Also a criminal who have laid a burden on innocent followers of CHRIST to keep a law that is not meant for them, and also a burden that even the children of Israel couldn't bear.

Pastor you are the greatest criminal and God judgement is already at your door step.

Repent and returned to the first Love!

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Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by genkins(m): 3:34pm On Feb 22, 2022

Grandmeister:
So you’re a truer christain than apostle Peter and James and John? They were Christians and practiced some of the Jewish religious traditions.

They practiced such when they were still under the law.

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by DWJOBScom(m): 3:39pm On Feb 22, 2022

YinkaOlusesi16:
your tithes to GOD is different from the money u give to the poor, obedient is better than sacrifice.

Don't mind that poor dude

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by DWJOBScom(m): 3:47pm On Feb 22, 2022

phorget:
After paying tithe in a particular church and I decides to leave the church what will happen to the money I've spent in that church?

Tithe is a big scam, Jesus Christ preached love and apostle Paul emphasized on charity. Tithe only survived in the old testaments, the new testament we are living in would rather have you help the needy around you.

Well some of us pay tithes to churches we may never visit. I pay my tithe to a church in ilorin after seeing on facebook they don't have pews and will definitely have members with needs. I have been stranded once without money very late at night on a busy road and all my driver and I had was less than N400 without a bank in sight. A church took care of us without questions and got a mechanic for us of course they fed us too. The Church needs your money

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Aaay: 3:56pm On Feb 22, 2022

Thieves

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Yomiie: 4:00pm On Feb 22, 2022

Grandmeister:
Good good! You know and understand your scripture. Unlike those who will claim Christ never practiced Jewish laws just to massage their scriptural misconceptions. But let me ask you..is circumcision part of the law or not?

. Circumcision was done first done in the patriarchy age before the law, God appears before Abraham and promises that his descendants will become a great nation and inherit the land. The price for this covenant is that Abraham must circumcise the males of his household, According to the Gospel of Luke, Jesus was circumcised eight days after his birth, in accordance with Mosaic law, so circumcision is been done before the law, however the early christian in the book of gal 6:15 told us that neither circumcision or not, it doesn't mean anything, what matters is the new creation christ has given us

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by phorget(m): 4:07pm On Feb 22, 2022

DWJOBScom:
Well some of us pay tithes to churches we may never visit. I pay my tithe to a church in ilorin after seeing on facebook they don't have pews and will definitely have members with needs. I have been stranded once without money very late at night on a busy road and all my driver and I had was less than N400 without a bank in sight. A church took care of us without questions and got a mechanic for us of course they fed us too. The Church needs your money

Helping isn't a crime but I won't help all in the name of tithe. I'll buy pew for a church if I have the means, I'll pay school fees etc but I won't ever pay "tithe" to any church or pastor.

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by WATCHOVER(m): 4:10pm On Feb 22, 2022

Victor08032:
May God punish you and your generation as you typing this madness comment.. the only sin without forgiveness is when you sin against the holy spirit

May God also punish you and your generation for allowing your brain to be controlled by mere mortal.
I bet you the man is not God he has no moral justification to curse people.
Those his church pay tax.
Useless men of God who have turn preaching to motivational ground just to milk there gullible followers like you.
Tithe is not a Christian practice it is Jewish, it has no place, it is not how you pay tithes that determines how you get, it also a lousy thinking to say that it is because I did not tithe that make me face trials and temptations.
I prefer to sponsor someone than to pay tax to all this worldly motivational churches

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Hassanmaye(m): 4:48pm On Feb 22, 2022

Hahahahhahah

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Landkoluwaseun: 4:55pm On Feb 22, 2022

To all the pastor in Nigeria if they don't pay me thier church title they're criminal

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Sirpeewise: 4:55pm On Feb 22, 2022

Please everybody talking about tithe should please read Deut:14v21--29 and see clearly everything you need to know about tithe, it's amaizing and far from today's concept about tithe, that's why this potion of the Bible is not read in our churches

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by MrLankeeee(m): 4:58pm On Feb 22, 2022

YinkaOlusesi16:
All of you abusing the pastor lack spiritual understanding. One thing that is certain about tithe is that if you dont pay ur tithe to GOD, the devil will collect it from you with force.

They’ve brainwashed you. Free yourself from mental slavery.

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by nedekid: 5:26pm On Feb 22, 2022

Guy man.
Anyway, dady freeze oya, FINISH HIM!

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Ungodly: 5:34pm On Feb 22, 2022

When some said men of God talk like this, you know they want you to pay tithe by fire by force mainly because of their pocket not because of God, run from churches and pastors like this… if by every quarter a church cannot account for what is done to the tithe paid by the brethren and give thorough account of it, I don’t sit down in such church…. Even the men of God we read in the Bible didn’t show their desperation for tithes this way… shior.

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 5:48pm On Feb 22, 2022

RayRay06677:
You that reads bible, where? Only time He mentioned tithe, He compared it to weightier things, in comparism, when one is weightier, it means the other is lighter, so therefore, tithe is lesser thing and inconsequential in the scheme. Follow Christ and be save-Bishop (Obong) G.O.D. Akpan is the Bishop, Chapel of Corrections, correcting the errors of the miseducation the antichrist are spreading.

And he was even referring to the Pharisees. Are these tithers Pharisees?

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by wirinet(m): 5:53pm On Feb 22, 2022

DWJOBScom:
Well some of us pay tithes to churches we may never visit. I pay my tithe to a church in ilorin after seeing on facebook they don't have pews and will definitely have members with needs. I have been stranded once without money very late at night on a busy road and all my driver and I had was less than N400 without a bank in sight. A church took care of us without questions and got a mechanic for us of course they fed us too. The Church needs your money

The church need your money, willingly as offerings, not with threats of curses and brimstone as done by modern day Pentecostals. Christianity had survived for over 1900 without priests threatening members witg tithes, so why the sudden desperation for tithes?

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by OdogwuBlog: 6:02pm On Feb 22, 2022

Onyiiobi7735:
So says the business man who amasses worldly riches in the name of God.He wants to make sure his gullible foolish church members continue to remain in his web.
The only New Generation church I can trust and vouch for is OPM( Omega Power Ministries) headed by Apostle Gift Chinyere Chibuzo, with the headquarters in Port Harcourt. [color=#d7e0c9]Prayer Points Against Shame And Disgrace[/color]
This man of God is one like no other.His church operates 15 free schools, free hospitals, free vocational training and skill acquisition programmes, free restaurants. He constantly rehabilitates criminals, harlots,and even trains people overseas.
Mind you,his church auditorium is not an edifice like those of these pastorpreneurs.The sides are open and the only part that is walled is the altar area.
Just like that of Deeper Life Church Headquarters, another church I trust.

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Grandmeister(m): 6:28pm On Feb 22, 2022

GardenOfGod:
Diverting attention again
.... And they were arguing about payment of tithe?

You are running away from the core challenge.

Quit trying to play possum on what I’ve been saying. They were arguing on the law in general. Circumcision, eating of certain kinds of meat, the sabbath etc…the Jewish converts still did those things even though they were Christians while Paul argued that those who weren’t of Jewish origin shouldn’t be made to do same. Does that make the Jewish converts any less Christians? If Christ didn’t pay tithes and follow the Jewish laws why did Peter, James and most of the original disciples insist on them?

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Iyrulplus: 6:40pm On Feb 22, 2022

"Follow me for I am following Christ" Paul said so, Christ never thought nor paid tithe. Paul didn't pay neither did he teach. None of the Disciple did. So where did you learn your Christianity from?

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Bamzyriches451: 7:01pm On Feb 22, 2022

Damn!
Pussy ass god of men everywhere

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by desiredhome: 7:07pm On Feb 22, 2022

YinkaOlusesi16:
your tithes to GOD is different from the money u give to the poor, obedient is better than sacrifice.

Is Ibiyeomiie your God?..... What is the tithe you pay used for?......

Why do these men hints on tithing more than Love Christ preached about?

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Eben91: 7:16pm On Feb 22, 2022

YinkaOlusesi16:
your tithes to GOD is different from the money u give to the poor, obedient is better than sacrifice.

Ahh, they have gotten you

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by desiredhome: 7:19pm On Feb 22, 2022

Why are they always threatening their
gullible members with death or misfortune huh

?

Is their target at stack?......

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Tekuku: 8:37pm On Feb 22, 2022

Let see what the Bible says about tithe from the old Testament to the new Testament.

In Gal. 6:6, 1 Corin. 9:11, Leviticus 27:30(KJV) tithing is from grain, fruits, herds or flock thus: And all the tithe of the Land(farm produce), whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's; it is holy to the Lord ...Lev.27:30(Amplified version)

In Numbers 18:27(kjv) tithing is from wine press, corn and grain, lets read And this your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though it were the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fullness of the winepress.

In Deut. 12:17-18 tithing is from corn, wine, oil, herds or flock: lets read: Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:
But thou must eat them before the LORD thy God in the place which the LORD thy God shall choose, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite that is within thy gates: and thou shalt rejoice before the LORD thy God in all that thou puttest thine hands unto.

In Deut. 14:22 tithing is from seed, corn, wine, oil, herds, flocks and its per year not monthly or weekly
And before now the Catholic churches recognise it as Annual Harvest.

In Deut. 26:12 the purpose of tithing was for Levite(majorly priestly people), strangers, fatherly, widows etc that they may eat. Thus

In 2 chr. 31:5 they tithe from corn, wine, oil, honey, etc and all are farm produce .

In Neh. 10:37 they tithe from the 1st fruit of dough erc and as offering to God's treasure house.

Malachi 3:10(kjv) emphasized all tithes mint (food) to be brought to the storehouse, lets read:
...Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

Matt. 23:23 Jesus was very angry as they preach/threat people with tithing from (mint (vegetable spices), anise (spices), cummin (seed) which was not money too, instead of preaching judgement (fairness/equity), mercies, faith
So all the Bible verses(old/new Testament) agree to food or animal tithing; which is not even weightier than mercies, faith... Jesus Laments.

Some people will claim that there was no money then, "Scam! "

I tell you there was money before tithe was introduced, let see in:

Gen. 17:12(kjv) money was used in buying slave... or Bought with money of any stranger , which is not of thy seed.
Gen. 23:9(kjv) money was used in buying land...
for as much money as it is worth he shall give it me for a possession of a buryingplace amongst you.
Exod. 22:7(kjv)they lend money (banking) then...
If a man shall deliver unto his neighbour money or stuff to keep, and it be stolen out of the man's house; if the thief be found, let him pay double.
Exod. 30:16(kjv) money was used for atonement and was not considered tithing.
They only time money was used to replace farm produce was during the economic meltdown.
In which they resolve to trade by barter, so food never replace money !

And that was in
Gen. 47:15-17 (kjv) thus: And when money failed in the land of Egypt, and in the land of Canaan, all the Egyptians came unto Joseph, and said, Give us bread: for why should we die in thy presence? for the money faileth. And Joseph said, Give your cattle; and I will give you for your cattle, if money fail. And they brought their cattle unto Joseph: and Joseph gave them bread in exchange for horses, and for the flocks, and for the cattle of the herds, and for the asses: and he fed them with bread for all their cattle for that year.

Another excuse they give is that the people of old are farmers Scam!

Because in:

Gen. 40:2 they were chief butlers and bakers,
Jer. 37:21 they were Bakers and businessmen.
1 Sam. 8:13 they were cooks and bakers.
Deut. 15:2 they were bankers then.

So tithing is always from farm produce during the time of old and not money

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by Fredmatic(m): 9:07pm On Feb 22, 2022

Grandmeister:
Matthew 23:23

Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] [b]provisions of the Law: [/b]justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.

Note he said without neglecting the others..so Christ never said don’t pay tithes. He only said there are more important things.

Did you also read that part provision on of the law? Are we still under the law as a Christian?
Christ was under the law then and only telling those people to do the important things first before paying tithe as written in the law,
And when Christ died that end the law, so when you are giving it should be free will from the heart and not compostrily as the law was.

You don't read bible well and just be debating what you don't kn. Even the tithe u claim too follow are you paying the 3 aspect of it fully? Or just only the Malachi they quote for you?

Re: David Ibiyeomie: If You Don’t Pay Tithe, You Are A Criminal by AI007(m): 9:22pm On Feb 22, 2022

Grandmeister:
Matthew 23:23

Woe to you, [self-righteous] scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you give a tenth (tithe) of your mint and dill and cumin [focusing on minor matters], and have neglected the weightier [more important moral and spiritual] provisions of the Law: justice and mercy and faithfulness; but these are the [primary] things you ought to have done without neglecting the others.

Note he said without neglecting the others..so Christ never said don’t pay tithes. He only said there are more important things.

Then you should be wise enough to know Jesus was addressing the Pharisees that practised Judaism, why is it that on all the documentatio about Jesus none mentioned he commanding his followers to pay tithe

And if you could quote the scripture you should have the understanding that tithing as it was done was for edible stuffs not monetary

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