Nozino:



I’d rather be a Podiatrist than a Dentist. Dentistry benefits from the politics played by medicine.


Even the UK you’ve been quoting, has different associations for the two very different professions.

U would rather be a podiatrist in the USA? Good for u. I'll still choose to be a dentist in the USA... Someone else may choose to be a lawyer in USA... It's called "individual preferences"...
Now, since u brought that up, between UK dentist and Nigerian dentist which one earns better? Then tell me how Nigerian dentists are benefitting from the politics...

sgtponzihater1:


Here a link again from your almighty Wikipedia. Hope this puts you to ease. All the best

isn't it the same thing as what I typed up there? Now I'm convinced u don't even read through my post...

Maid007:

U would rather be a podiatrist in the USA? Good for u. I'll still choose to be a dentist in the USA... Someone else may choose to be a lawyer in USA... It's called "individual preferences"...
Now, since u brought that up, between UK dentist and Nigerian dentist which one earns better? Then tell me how Nigerian dentists are benefitting from the politics...

You honestly don’t want me to answer that question. Check PP Dentistry then you’d get your answer.

Maid007:
isn't it the same thing as what I typed up there? Now I'm convinced u don't even read through my post...

You said a dentist is a specialist because he studied only about the mouth.

I told said to be a specialist in Dentistry you need further specialist training. Why do you keep turning in cycles?

All the best

Nozino:




You honestly don’t want me to answer that question. Check PP Dentistry then you’d get your answer.

Okay. Let me do ur homework for u... Dentists in the UK and USA are among the highest paid professionals, and one of the most prestigious professions in the two countries.... Now, these two countries have a different body for dentistry...
Now, tell me how Nigerian dentist is doing any better than the USA dentist by benefitting from the medicine politics in Nigeria....Get ur facts right, my guy...

sgtponzihater1:


You said a dentist is a specialist because he studied only about the mouth.

I told said to be a specialist in Dentistry you need further specialist training. Why do you keep turning in cycles?

All the best

U just keep repeating it... Go check my post, I didn't modify it... U would see we are saying the same thing here...
U keep going back and forth...

Maid007:

U just keep repeating it... Go check my post, I didn't modify it... U would see we are saying the same thing here...
U keep going back and forth...

After editing your comment?
The only sense of a specialist is doing further training.

If not an accountant is a specialist in accounting, an optometrist is a specialist in the eyes. Stop decieving yourself and gullible people.

Stay your course and succeed.

A Dentist can be a Doctor depending on the law of a country, but is not a Medical Doctor until he studied MBBS.

God for all

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Maid007:

Okay. Let me do ur homework for u... Dentists in the UK and USA are among the highest paid professionals, and one of the most prestigious professions in the two countries.... Now, these two countries have a different body for dentistry...
Now, tell me how Nigerian dentist is doing any better than the USA dentist by benefitting from the medicine politics in Nigeria....Get ur facts right, my guy...

The goal post shifted to money and prestige

You are calling yourself medical doctor for fame and sheer pride, not money. Dentists in Nigeria gain alot from tagging along with medical doctors. From Conmess payment, to becoming head of MDCN and hospitals, to receiving the same salary in housemanship despite doing less calls etc.

Outside housemanship it a different thing. Many cling on to residency, and government for dear life. Those who find themselve in PP, and not able to bag a government job know how the thing goes

All the best

sgtponzihater1:


After editing your comment?
The only sense of a specialist is doing further training.

If not an accountant is a specialist in accounting, an optometrist is a specialist in the eyes. Stop decieving yourself and gullible people.

Stay your course and succeed.

A Dentist can be a Doctor depending on the law of a country, but is not a Medical Doctor until he studied MBBS.

God for all

I edited my post? Can't u check ur quote for the original post? I don't have anything to gain by being dishonest here, bro...

As for ur last paragraph; We have Doctor Dental Medicine or Doctor of Dental Surgery (DMD/DDS {BDS equivalent}), Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) and Doctor of Medicine (MD {MBBS equivalent}).... Nobody is arguing this with u... We have discussed this before

Maid007:

I edited my post? Can't u check ur quote for the original post? I don't have anything to gain by being dishonest here, bro...

As for ur last paragraph; We have Doctor Dental Medicine or Doctor of Dental Surgery (DMD/DDS {BDS equivalent}), Doctor of Osteopathy (DO) and Doctor of Medicine (MD {MBBS equivalent}).... Nobody is arguing this with u... We have discussed this before

Let me know if you need anything.

We must all be rich whether doctor or not

I wish you the best

PonziHater

sgtponzihater1:


The goal post shifted to money and prestige

You are calling yourself medical doctor for fame and sheer pride, not money. Dentists in Nigeria gain alot from tagging along with medical doctors. From Conmess payment, to becoming head of MDCN and hospitals, to receiving the same salary in housemanship despite doing less calls etc.

Outside housemanship it a different thing. Many cling on to residency, and government for dear life. Those who find themselve in PP, and not able to bag a government job know how the thing goes

All the best

Chaii..... Where did the goal post shift to? The guy was comparing dentistry in Nigeria to dentistry in US? What parameter/variable should I have used?? Damn!!
As for the CMD part, if u have a problem with it, take it up with the NMA... I see u want to start the NMA/JOHESSU feud here...

sgtponzihater1:


The goal post shifted to money and prestige

You are calling yourself medical doctor for fame and sheer pride, not money. Dentists in Nigeria gain alot from tagging along with medical doctors. From Conmess payment, to becoming head of MDCN and hospitals, to receiving the same salary in housemanship despite doing less calls etc.

Outside housemanship it a different thing. Many cling on to residency, and government for dear life. Those who find themselve in PP, and not able to bag a government job know how the thing goes

All the best

He obviously knows what Dentistry benefits from medicine. PP Dentistry is almost non existent in this country.

Maid007:

Okay. Let me do ur homework for u... Dentists in the UK and USA are among the highest paid professionals, and one of the most prestigious professions in the two countries.... Now, these two countries have a different body for dentistry...
Now, tell me how Nigerian dentist is doing any better than the USA dentist by benefitting from the medicine politics in Nigeria....Get ur facts right, my guy...

Lol. Comparing Dentistry in America to the nonsense practiced in Nigeria. You know that America has several dentals school and graduating over 2k dentist yearly right? Let Nigeria try it.

Like the average Nigeria has ever been to the Dentist. Thank God For NMA. For Conmess for dental Residency etc if not, an Opticians office will generate more revenue than a dental office.

Nozino:



He obviously knows what Dentistry benefits from medicine. PP Dentistry is almost non existent in this country.

It is almost non existent because only few dentists are available... Last session, my school graduated only 13 dental surgeons... Another beauty of it is that it is not saturated in Nigeria, providing so many opportunities with less competition...

All these and more were factors I checked while doing a thorough research on dentistry even before applying for it... So, I don't need no lecture on my course of study...

Nozino:



Lol. Comparing Dentistry in America to the nonsense practiced in Nigeria. You know that America has several dentals school and graduating over 2k dentist yearly right? Let Nigeria try it.

Like the average Nigeria has ever been to the Dentist. Thank God For NMA. For Conmess for dental Residency etc if not, an Opticians office will generate more revenue than a dental office.

About the last paragraph... I agree with you that there is lack of oral health awareness in Nigeria...
That's why an average Nigerian doesn't visit the dentist for regular check up until the condition becomes severe... Then, when the condition becomes severe, u see a single person spending 100k+ on dental treatment...

Let's do the maths.
So, instead of 100 people going for regular check where they may just spend 2k or there about, totaling about 200k for the 100 people..

Out of these 100 people, maybe 90 would get lucky while 10 (few) develop severe dental problems... These 10 people would end up spending above 70k+ each, trying to treat themselves, amounting to about 700k+ for the 10 patients...
So, u see, it's not about the numbers that troop in...

My point is that prevention is cheaper than cure...

Nozino:



Lol. Comparing Dentistry in America to the nonsense practiced in Nigeria. You know that America has several dentals school and graduating over 2k dentist yearly right? Let Nigeria try it.

Like the average Nigeria has ever been to the Dentist. Thank God For NMA. For Conmess for dental Residency etc if not, an Opticians office will generate more revenue than a dental office.

What do you know?

I feel so sorry for the level of ignorance where you are at.

Nobody on here has said Dentists are Medical Doctors or are interested in writing Medical Licensing Exams.

This is the problem I have with Nigerians, it's not your field, you don't even have an actual degree, yet here you are going bonkers over if Dentists are actual Doctors or not.

Talking about Dentistry being practiced in Nigeria as rubbish, you ought to cover your face in shame. You're in 3rd world country that still has epileptic power supply and you're complaining about the state of things for which you are for the most part clueless about.

America a first world country has an estimated 74 Million citizens without Dental insurance. Why? Because it is extremely expensive. MEDICAID and most insurance companies shy away from offering Dental Insurance. Yet, again I ask you, what do you expect in a 3rd world country where the minimum salary is
79USD?

"Thank God for NMA, Thank God for CONMESS. Thank God for Dental Residency". I'm not surprised at how shallow your reasoning is.

You think because NMA means Nigerian Medical Association, you think Medical there excludes Dentists?.

NMA's membership spans all six major specialties of Internal Medicine, Surgery, Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Paediatrics, Public Health and Laboratory Medicine/Pathology.

Surgery there can be further broken down into the different subspecialties of which Dental Surgery is one. Dental Surgery was separated partly because the syllabus was too bulky to be added to the syllabus of Medicine. Dental Surgery is rather a specialization.

A specialization is needed because dentistry requires alongside the knowledge of the human Anatomy, Physiology, Oral biology etc and an ability to handle machines with precision. There are many machines in medicine but, in dentistry, there is whole lot of other things. The way to grasp certain instruments, the methods of sharpening, application of rubber dams etc are a big deal.

CONMESS, what else do you expect?

Dental Residency does this need explaining? Yours, again is a very sorry case.

As regards the US having several Dental Schools, to begin with, can you compare the GDP of Nigeria and the US?

I guess you haven't heard about those who are in Dental Schools and Medical Schools in the US taking Student loans and Dentists having to pay more than Physicians because of the niche and expensive nature of Dentistry?.

Take time to checkout the cost of the licensing exams for Doctors and Dentists in the UK "where Dentists are stripped off their title", perhaps you might then have an idea.

It is expensive putting together a faculty of Dentistry. The more reason you don't see lots of schools in Nigeria having Dental Faculties or admitting several students. Do you even know what a Phantom head is or how much it costs or how much a Dental Chair costs?

Cc Maid007: Just leave them both alone this back and forth and going in circles is quite disgusting.

You don't have to be a Dentist or even a Doctor to know the truth. Knowledge enlightens, and if you have one , you can usually work the truth out.

Dentistry was not removed because of being too bulky, this is only self glorification at its peak.

No course is better than the other, but each has its peculiarities. You can choose whichever, without being flustered by another.

Dentistry is a field of its own.

Dentists are not Medical Doctors

Safe!

horpeyemmi66:

What do you know?

I feel so sorry for the level of ignorance where you are at.

Nobody on here has said Dentists are Medical Doctors or are interested in writing Medical Licensing Exams.

This is the problem I have with Nigerians, it's not your field, you don't even have an actual degree, .

All this crying because I suggested that the profess should operate as a few market? With our population size, shouldn’t we have more Dentist.

A whole lot of ignorance here. Its worrisome that at this age and in this century some people still prefare to be ignorant. Dentistry is a specialty in medicine and hence dentist are doctors (doctors of oral health). If you are mentioning specialty in medicine you cant do without mentioning dentistry. dentistry is not just about the teeth but the whole body with the head and mouth region in emphasis. Dental surgeons are doctors but not all doctors are dental sirgeons. Asides dentist physicians, which other health professionals can call themselves Doctors or carry the traditional name doctors in relation to health? Dental students take same courses with medical students including medicine and surgery with additional head and oral biology / anatomy till 500L part B were dental students spend the rest 1.5 years on specialisation in dentistry. Dentist can diagnose diseases just as a general physician but because they specialized they focus more on prescription of diseases of the Head and oral cavity . fact that they are specialized doesn't mqake them lesser but higher, few and highly sort for. If cardiology was to be caved out as a niche on its own you don't expect medical school to admit up to even 20 cardiology students same apllies to dentistry. It is a whole branch of medicine on its own and hence are few. Dental students come top in most MB exams beating their counterpart in MBBs. MB exams are professional board exams. In most university were you have dental students go and check the records.

Surgeondee:
A whole lot of ignorance here. Its worrisome that at this age and in this century some people still prefare to be ignorant. Dentistry is a specialty in medicine and hence dentist are doctors (doctors of oral health). If you are mentioning specialty in medicine you cant do without mentioning dentistry. dentistry is not just about the teeth but the whole body with the head and mouth region in emphasis. Dental surgeons are doctors but not all doctors are dental sirgeons. Asides dentist physicians, which other health professionals can call themselves Doctors or carry the traditional name doctors in relation to health? Dental students take same courses with medical students including medicine and surgery with additional head and oral biology / anatomy till 500L part B were dental students spend the rest 1.5 years on specialisation in dentistry. Dentist can diagnose diseases just as a general physician but because they specialized they focus more on prescription of diseases of the Head and oral cavity . fact that they are specialized doesn't mqake them lesser but higher, few and highly sort for. If cardiology was to be caved out as a niche on its own you don't expect medical school to admit up to even 20 cardiology students same apllies to dentistry. It is a whole branch of medicine on its own and hence are few. Dental students come top in most MB exams beating their counterpart in MBBs. MB exams are professional board exams. In most university were you have dental students go and check the records.

Another well cooked up perversion of truth.
Dentists are not medical Doctors. Doing some courses with medical students does not equate them to medical doctors.

Anatomy and physiology curriculum for the first 3years is same with Medicine but does not make them half Medical Doctors.

Dentistry is not a specialty in Medicine, all MBBS holders are capable to aspiring to all the specialty in Medicine. Rather Dentistry is a separate course with its own specialty.

A Dentist is not licensed to diagnose and treat general medical problems, and his license and indemnity does not cover this in anyway.

Scoring more than Doctors in Anatomy, physiology, biochemistry etc does not make a dentist a doctor. I am sure some Anatomy students of given the same Anatomy MB exams would score better than the borderline Medical student.

Board exams means USLME, AMC, PLAB, etc, and Dentist are not qualified for this because they are note medical doctors, but Dentists/Dental Doctors or surgeons with a different and unique pathway.

Dentist are not better in anyway to Medical Doctors, and these kind of phrases are only borne out of a feeling of inferiority. No man, no matter his profession is superior or better than another. All men must know their path, and stay their course, without infringing on the path of another, like the above Dentists daily thrive to do.

All of us must be rich if we persevere, and to every man there is a finish line, good or bad.

Safe

PonziHater

sgtponzihater1:


Another well cooked up perversion of truth.
Dentists are not medical Doctors. Doing some courses with medical students does not equate them to medical doctors.

Anatomy and physiology curriculum for the first 3years is same with Medicine but does not make them half Medical Doctors.

Dentistry is not a specialty in Medicine, all MBBS holders are capable to aspiring to all the specialty in Medicine. Rather Dentistry is a separate course with its own specialty.

A Dentist is not licensed to diagnose and treat general medical problems, and his license and indemnity does not cover this in anyway.

Scoring more than Doctors in Anatomy, physiology, biochemistry etc does not make a dentist a doctor. I am sure some Anatomy students of given the same Anatomy MB exams would score better than the borderline Medical student.

Board exams means USLME, AMC, PLAB, etc, and Dentist are not qualified for this because they are note medical doctors, but Dentists/Dental Doctors or surgeons with a different and unique pathway.

Dentist are not better in anyway to Medical Doctors, and these kind of phrases are only borne out of a feeling of inferiority. No man, no matter his profession is superior or better than another. All men must know their path, and stay their course, without infringing on the path of another, like the above Dentists daily thrive to do.

All of us must be rich if we persevere, and to every man there is a finish line, good or bad.

Safe

PonziHater

Chaii... See as that writer explicitly described the dentistry for u, and u couldn't make sense of it... Did u read what he wrote at all?? Coz U keep exhibiting a gross ignorance, no matter what...
The guy told u that dental students only spend 1.5 years out of their 6-7 years in school specializing in the oral region, and u still went ahead to say they only did 3 years medical curriculum (thought u knew maths at least)... He went further to tell u about the performance of BDS students and u went ahead to twist it. When we all know that he spoke about the performance because u were undermining the training that BDS students got.
How u reason baffles me, on God... Even a secondary school student would have understood the writers point of view..
U need to understand that nobody is here to argue with u, and nobody is here to impress u....
If u have doubts, ask... Don't be spewing trash and claim it's LOGIC... The more u talk, the less enlightened u appear...

Maid007:

Chaii... See as that writer explicitly described the dental profession for u, and u couldn't make sense of it... Did u read what he wrote at all?? Coz U keep exhibiting gross ignorance, no matter what...
The guy told u that dental students only spend 1.5 years out of their 6-7 years in school specializing in the oral region, and u still went ahead to say they only did 3 years medical curriculum... He went further to tell u about the performance of BDS students and u went ahead to twist it. When we all know that he said spoke about the performance because u were undermining the training that dental students got.
How u reason baffles me, on God... Even a secondary school student would have understood the writers point of view..
U need to understand that nobody is here to argue with u, and nobody is here to impress u... What u get are facts...
If u have doubts, ask... Don't be spewing trash and claim it's LOGIC... The more u talk, the less enlightened u appear...

You are less enlightened. 1.5 years difference in training or 2weeks difference in training makes no difference. Your certificate is BDS and not MBBS.

All the best

PonziHater

sgtponzihater1:


You are less enlightened. 1.5 years difference in training or 2weeks difference in training makes no difference. Your certificate is BDS and not MBBS.

All the best

PonziHater

Go back to what he wrote up there and read again. Seems u are very slow in learning. And about the certificate, I wouldn't have it any other way...

Maid007:

Go back to what he wrote up there and read again. Seems u are very slow in learning. And about the certificate, I wouldn't have it any other way...

Not me that is slow in learning.

I don't live a lie, and it's hurtful to see people swim in one.

Congrats that you are an aspiring dentist or maybe a just graduated one

Others who are yet to become Dentist have the right to know that Dentistry is totally different from MBBS. It is not a specialty under Medicine, so they cannot aspire to do any of the Medical specialties if they decide later on. That Dentistry is a distinct course with its own specialties.

Finally that while Dentistry is a prestigious course, Dentists are not Medical Doctors.

The truth is a sometimes a hard but to chew.

All the best

PonziHater

sgtponzihater1:


Not me that is slow in learning.

I don't live a lie, and it's hurtful to see people swim in one.

Congrats that you are an aspiring dentist or maybe a just graduated one

Others who are yet to become Dentist have the right to know that Dentistry is totally different from MBBS. It is not a specialty under Medicine, so they cannot aspire to do any of the Medical specialties if they decide later on. That Dentistry is a distinct course with its own specialties.

Finally that while Dentistry is a prestigious course, Dentists are not Medical Doctors.

The truth is a sometimes a hard but to chew.

All the best

PonziHater

Lol... Says someone that goes as far as concocting lies just drive his point... Every aspirant deserves to know the truth... If I was to follow the rubbish u were saying 5 to 6 years ago about Medicine and even Dentistry with ur former monika (sgtponzihater), I would have made the worst choice of my life... Thanks to people who took out their time to put you in your rightful place as at then... I knew you, bro. You are of the impression that Doctors, whether MBBS or BDS are proud, and so u do all u can to paint them as bad... But hey, if it pains u so much, simply write a new jamb and get admission into either of them, it's a free world...
The internet never forgets.

Maid007:

Lol... Says someone that goes as far as concocting lies just drive his point... Every aspirant deserves to know the truth... If I was to follow the rubbish u were saying 5 to 6 years ago about Medicine and even Dentistry with ur former monika (sgtponzihater), I would have made the worst choice of my life... Thanks to people who took out their time to put you in your rightful place as at then... I knew you, bro. You are of the impression that Doctors, whether MBBS or BDS are proud, and so u do all u can to paint them as bad... But hey, if it pains u so much, simply write a new jamb and get admission into either of them, it's a free world...

I have never stopped anyone from studying Medicine or Dentistry. I agree they are both good courses if that's were your passion lies. They however not better than other course.

There was a time Nigerian Doctors acted like minigods and it was in the interest of truth that I speak against this. The patient is the boss, and no need for care provider talking down on them or bossing over them. Is this also a crime, my dear Dentist?

I am far to old to tell lies. I stand for truth, equity and justice, and have done much more to save the public than you could ever do in a lifetime.

I wrote Jamb almost 2 decades ago, and am on my dream path. You have everything to prove, and I have and will keep proving myself a smart, intelligent and blessed gentleman, who is daily mastering his craft.

Dentist are not Medical Doctors drew all this criticism.

In the end go bless and keep us

SgtPonziHater

SgtPonziHater and SgtPonziHater1 are clearly different monikers.

I will not expect your opinion from 6years ago to remain the same now.

I agree Medicine is a respectable profession and Doctors do great jobs. In the height of the pandemic, we saw the effort made by health care workers.

Communication skill, patient centeredness, and empowering patients took the back burner for Nigerian Medical Doctors for so many years, and it is In the interest of the public that someone spoke against this.

I obviously will take a different approach to the above as I am a grown and knowledgeable young man. I have also interacted with Doctors from varying specialties, and have seen the difference in training.

Thanks for bringing this up at @Maid007

God for all

SgtPonziHater

Nigga has been obsessed with doctors for the past 6 years ... If I was to follow ur stupid lies that time, I wouldn't have been where I am today...
Thank God for the doctors that took their time to enlighten me about the profession while u were spreading hate all around...
U claim u wrote jamb 2 decades ago, but u are still one of the dumbest people I have met on nairaland, how ironic...

Even this person whom I believe was a doctor gave up on you that time... 6 years later and u are still as dumb as ever... Lol
I'm posting this throwback so everyone can see ur stupid motive...
This, also shows that I shouldn't waste my time on u...
Good day.

All triggered by the fact that MBBS and Dentistry are two separate courses.

People hate the truth, but someone must say it. You can paste links and quotes out of context without putting in the basis for those prior arguments.

In the end Dentists and Medical doctors are respectable professionals. However a Dentist is not a Medical Doctor.

Over and out

SgtPonziHater1

sgtponzihater1:
All triggered by the fact that MBBS and Dentistry are two separate courses.

People hate the truth, but someone must say it. You can paste links and quotes out of context without putting in the basis for those prior arguments.

In the end Dentists and Medical doctors are respectable professionals. However a Dentist is not a Medical Doctor.

Over and out

SgtPonziHater1

The fact remains that you know nothing about the two professions...
Ciao