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babajeje123:
Like He gave you dominion not be hungry and stay for months without food

He did indeed.

Rilwayne001:
Mumu

Oh , I know that of you ofcourse.

Kobojunkie:
1. Where exactly do you have been declaring that what is sin is the sexual urge, as opposed to sexual lust which is clearly depicted in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28?

Isn't this a clear case of transference?

2. Jesus Christ never said anything about intention being sin, in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28. Instead what He said is that what is sin is that sexual lust in your heart - that sexual desire you have in your heart towards someone you are not married to - is what is the sin of adultery.

3. If you are Hot and then imagine yourself engaging in sexual acts with the lady next door or your ex, you lust in your heart after such a one one commit adultery by it... that is what Jesus Christ is telling you.

If you are walking down the street and you spot a fine person you desire in your heart to have sexual relations with aka you lust in your heart sexually after that person, you commit the sin of adultery against God - that is what Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 is telling you.

4. Stop trying to twist what is written so it instead says what you want it to.

Lusting after a person = having an intention to have sexual intimatcy with that person. Being hoorny is not the same thing as having intentions to go commit inappropriate sexual acts; it's just a natural desire (just like hunger) which happens to every normal healthy adult. The OP said she feels sexual urges (which is very natural); OP didnt say she was intending to go jump on anyone's bed. Stop guilt tripping the OP please, that is not what Christ asked you to do.

Bmaster:
I like this your reasonings,
It makes sense.
It also relaxes the mind,and logically it is what it should be,
But all this are before the very eyes of men.

Have you ever wondered whether the 12 apostles of Christ have urge in any given time after their calling ?
The answer is NO.
you can only develop urge when you are no longer reasoning heavenly.
Heavenly race is not for the spiritually weak,
Or unprepared people.,

God have set his rules,if you don't abide by them you will as well be doomed on the last day

And one of God's natural rules is sex, responsible one though, whether married or not.
There's nothing godly about suppressing the urge.
You just dey suffer yourself unnecessarily.
That's how I see it sha, can't think of it in any other way.

obailala:
1. Lusting after a person = having an intention to have sexual intimatcy with that person.

2. Being hoorny is not the same thing as having intentions to go commit inappropriate sexual acts; it's just a natural desire (just like hunger) which happens to every normal healthy adult.

3. The OP said she feels sexual urges (which is very natural); OP didnt say she was intending to go jump on anyone's bed. Stop guilt tripping the OP please, that is not what Christ asked you to do.

Again, following that written in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28, sexual lust isn't directly linked in anyway with intention - an aim or a plan.

2. Again, it is one thing to be Hot but another to link those hormones to an individual in your mental aka Lust after another person in your heart. If telling yourself that it is natural for you to link your urges to individuals in your mind, that is all you. But as Jesus Christ explained to His followers, that is sin.

3. Read my response to the Op again. I never told the OP that her sexual urges were sin. I instead told the OP that Sexual Lust is sin. So if her urges graduate to Lust, according to Jesus Christ, that is what sexual sin is.

As a matter of fact, my focus wasn't on her sexual urges but on making sure she understood that choosing abstinence didn't necessarily mean one's life was pleasing to God since God's standard is instead that what is sin is sexual lust in one's heart, and not the physical acts we typically associate with immorality.

Madam ask yourself for how long? No marriage, no sex, those advising you about sin doesn't know that God hates divorce?

Discuss with your husband Una 2 fit da kolash while still divorce

Avoid being a sugar mummy ooo, like this now u are vulnerable, u can overcome because you havent seen an opportunity, if a man holds u down now alone in a room and 1 mistake kiss, u will forget about being chaste. So go back to your husband or make Una just da sex only

Get yasef a sex machine jhoor,,,or you pay boiz to do you good or you continue using your hand.

Nor say dem nor tell you!

HelipsTech:
Madam ask yourself for how long? No marriage, no sex, those advising you about sin doesn't know that God hates divorce?

Discuss with your husband Una 2 fit da kolash while still divorce

Avoid being a sugar mummy ooo, like this now u are vulnerable, u can overcome because you havent seen an opportunity, if a man holds u down now alone in a room and 1 mistake kiss, u will forget about being chaste. So go back to your husband or make Una just da sex only

God hates all sin ,yet God forgives all forgivable sin including the sin of divorce.

loucbou:
Liar spotted.

Dont you know it's a grievious sin to lie on nairaland

And what exactly makes it a lie?
You think every man sleeps around?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ is the one who is God's Law to you and the standard by which you will be judged, and according to Him, divorce is a sin.... a forgivable sin. God forgives the sin of lying and also the sin of divorce.

I have never argue or talk about the sin that GOD forgive and the sin HE does or would not forgive. However, I know that sinning to the Holy Spirit is unforgivable according to the Bible. By the way, I don't know who you are sinning to when you are sinning. You can answer that by yourself and for yourself.

Kobojunkie:
I am gender fluid...any gender you need me to be for to make sense to you.

Why? I like to know more about you.

Kobojunkie:
Again, following that written in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28, sexual lust isn't directly linked in anyway with intention - an aim or a plan.

2. Again, it is one thing to be Hot but another to link those hormones to an individual in your mental aka Lust after another person in your heart. If telling yourself that it is natural for you to link your urges to individuals in your mind, that is all you. But as Jesus Christ explained to His followers, that is sin.

3. Read my response to the Op again. I never told the OP that her sexual urges were sin. I instead told the OP that Sexual Lust is sin. So if her urges graduate to Lust, according to Jesus Christ, that is what sexual sin is.

As a matter of fact, my focus wasn't on her sexual urges but on making sure she understood that choosing abstinence didn't necessarily mean one's life was pleasing to God since God's standard is instead that what is sin is sexual lust in one's heart, and not the physical acts we typically associate with immorality.

Like I said before, quit preaching an impractical kind of Christianity. People like you unknowingly chase people away from the kingdom by preaching impossibilities and cloaking them as 'gospel'; these kind of teachings make people give up and abandon the kingdom.

In the context used in Matt 5:27, Lusting after someone entails having an intention to have sexual intimacy with that person; that is why Christ said even if you eventually don't indulge (for possibly extenuating reasons), the intention to indulge already passes as you indulging. The OP did not say she was lusting or had any intentions towards anyone. She only said she was feeling Hot and fighting temptations. The temptation itself is not and cannot be a sin; as humans, we aren't responsible for the temptations that come our way.

You may not know it and you may hink you're preaching gospel, but in reality, all you've been doing on this thread is just indirectly judging the OP of having sinned simply because she said she has urges (i.e. a natural human function).

Kobojunkie:
So here you conclude that when Jesus Christ stated that sexual lust in the Kingdom of God is the sin of adultery - Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 - , your conclusion is that Jesus Christ lied?

I don't like the way you reason.

Sexual desire in itself is not a sin
Wrongly directed sexual desire is a sin.
Is that too hard to understand?

Every healthy man wakes up in the morning with a raging boner, which sometimes come with the feelings to be intimate.
Does it mean all men sin this way per morning?
Haba mana!

Indulged sexual desire is lust, wrongly directed lust is adultery of the heart.

I've tried my best to clarify these three terms for you.

Don't make me repeat myself mbok.

Emmanuel30a:
I have never argue or talk about the sin that GOD forgive and the sin HE does or would not forgive. However, I know that sinning to the Holy Spirit is unforgivable according to the Bible. By the way, I don't know who you are sinning to when you are sinning. You can answer that by yourself and for yourself.

Sin is defined in scripture as direct disobedience of God's commandments and hence His Law, so all sin is against God.

Kobojunkie:
Sin is direct obedience of God's commandments and Law, in this case, [/b]in our case, as given us as individuals by Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is God's agreement with individual man so it matters not what the next man knows or thinks as when you sin you sin against God and not man - [b]Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30.

So when you lust in your heart, the one your sin is against is God who gave you specific instructs not to - He is the one who sees in your heart and knows your sin, not your fellow man.

As for spiritual attacks, that's a whole different topic, as all those whose father are the devil - those who believe but do not obey the commandments of Jesus Christ- they live in perpetual sin against God, are rightly controlled by the one they belong to - John 8 vs 31 - 32 & John 8 vs 42 - 47

Looking at the bold statement and I can see you rushing your responses.

My dear friend, even an unbeliever knows what sin is. What is not a sin, is feeling sexual urges. Lusting is very different from feeling Hot. Horniness is part and parcel of a matured human in good health and spirits. It is why 1 Corinthians 7 says people should marry rather than burn.

I mentioned attacks to you, because the Bible says adultery is the only sin that involves the body. Someone has mentioned on this thread that the human mind is a battle field where different thoughts wage war. My point is taking the step further to engage in physical activity is giving in to temptation. Which opens the person to all sorts of stuff.

So, put yourself in God's position who do you show mercy to, people struggling with their bodies amidst temptations, bombardments, and walking in righteousness, or a person who disrespects God's word irreverently by committing as much adultery as possible?

By the way, you have cleverly sidelined the mention of the Holy Spirit again.

Let me advice you lady. Please ignore the rantings of that religious bigot trying to guilt trip you. Sexual urge is a natural animal reaction. Humans, frog even house fly etc have sex. Masturbation is not a sin. You haven't committed adultery or fornicated. The concern in it us that it can become addictive. And bible frowns on anything that's done beyond moderation. Nothing should enslave you except enslaved by the Hoky Ghost. Please help yoyrself by yourself to quench the burning desire before it leads you into proper sin. quote author=Optimistic4life post=111326719]I'm trying hard to live a life free from sin and sexual immorality and I am doing pretty well but of recent, my hormones/body have been raging and I am finding it difficult to cope.

It's 18months I have been separated and there is no getting back together.

Were you ever in my situation, how did you overcome without involving in sex/masturbation?

I just need some words of encouragement.

Its really not easy and it has become some sort of distraction.

The reason I do not want to have a male friend is because of my fear for God.[/quote]

Acidosis:
Why? I like to know more about you.

I like the fluidity of it is why. There isn't much to know of me except the fact that I am a follower of Jesus Christ now when I never used to be one before now....as my nairaland history would reveal.

SugarGirl44:
And one of God's natural rules is sex, responsible one though, whether married or not.
There's nothing godly about suppressing the urge.
You just dey suffer yourself unnecessarily.
That's how I see it sha, can't think of it in any other way.

but not how it is.


Heaven has a kind of glory that's beyond human comprehension.

Imagine a place you'll forget all your sufferings and sorrow at the mere sight of it!

So you should know better when the bible was saying strife.
Check out the word strife,
It's never meant to be easy and that's why the word strife comes in.

Kobojunkie:
1. They are not sin because Jesus Christ did not command them as sins in the Kingdom of God.

2. I suspect you are here attempting to muddle up the plain words written in this case. In Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28, Jesus Christ gave His followers as new law and standard for adultery. He decreed that instead of the Old Law,the new Law stipulated that Sexual lust - sexual desire for another individual one is not one with - is adultery and sin against God, and this is what I made clear in the post you responded to.

Brother please stop misquoting scriptures. Don't pick a verse from the Bible to make up an interpretation, read the whole chapter. For example, read the whole of that Math chpt 5. From verse 17 Jesus said he has not come to abolish the previous law but to fulfill it. Read up to verse 19 and see what it said.

The new law you are talking about is given by Jesus, in addition to what the old law has said about Fornication, homosexuality , adultery etc. Your interpretation is that Fornication, homosexuality etc are longer sin, that it's only lusting or sexual urges that is sin. That's not what Jesus said. Sexual sins starts from the heart and that is lust. Fornication, homosexuality and others is end products of lust.

You said Jesus never condemned Fornication and adultery, now read these verses all in new testament

"Let marriage be had in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge(HEB 13:4,)

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: (A)neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God"(.1Cor 6:9-10,)

"the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers,[a] liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to (A)sound[b] doctrine"(1Tim1:10),

"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; 27 and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error" (Rom 1:26,27).

Dear brother, we must not make mistake of misinterpret the word of God in anyway. We are human wearing flesh and blood, so we must seek Gods grace to overcome our flesh and its desires. May God strengthens you.

Lari03r:
Looking at the bold statement and I can see you rushing your responses.

My dear friend, even an unbeliever knows what sin is. What is not a sin, is feeling sexual urges. Lusting is very different from feeling Hot. Horniness is part and parcel of a matured human in good health and spirits. It is why 1 Corinthians 7 says people should marry rather than burn..

All you have said here has no bearing to any of what I have made clear.

Again, according to Matthew 5 vs 27 -28, Jesus Christ, God's Law and Gospel in the Kingdom of God, made it clear that sexual lust, not urges, is what is sin against God..

If you want to argue against what Jesus Christ said there, I cannot help you.

DIVINEEVIDENCE:
I don't like the way you reason.
Sexual desire in itself is not a sin Wrongly directed sexual desire is a sin. Is that too hard to understand?

Every healthy man wakes up in the morning with a raging boner, which sometimes come with the feelings to be intimate. Does it mean all men sin this way per morning? Haba mana! Indulged sexual desire is lust, wrongly directed lust is adultery of the heart.

I've tried my best to clarify these three terms for you.
Don't make me repeat myself mbok.

So what you don't like is that Jesus Christ said that you commit sin of adultery against God when you lust in your heart after a woman, in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 ?

Your issue is clearly with Jesus Christ and not with me,it seems.

Sorry to say I think your reasoning is myopic and shrouded. You've written this repeatedly and I think I should enlighten you. In the scripture you're trying to quote, Mathew 5:27-28 Jesus was expatiating the laws of Moses (read from verse 21) and he made a contrast to the law that says that "thou shall not commit adultery" by adding that "any man who looks at a woman in a lustfull manner or with evil desires has already committed adultery with her in his heart. He didn't approve or justify adultery (the physical action) like you're trying to put it but went on to say if you even imagine it happening you have done it in your heart.

Kobojunkie:
I think we all know what is meant by sexual lust and that is what Jesus Christ said is sin.

As for Op, it's not by your might nor power but by the Spirit of the Lord. You've abstained for 18 months and you didn't die. Keep 'fellowshiping' with the Holy Spirit by abstaining from things that will grieve Him or easily tempt you since your intention is to please God. I pray that your joy be restored in due time.

obailala:
1. In the context used in Matt 5:27, Lusting after someone entails having an intention to have sexual intimacy with that person; that is why Christ said even if you eventually don't indulge (for possibly extenuating reasons), the intention to indulge already passes as you indulging. The OP did not say she was lusting or had any intentions towards anyone. She only said she was feeling Hot and fighting temptations. The temptation itself is not and cannot be a sin; as humans, we aren't responsible for the temptations that come our way.

2. You may not know it and you may hink you're preaching gospel, but in reality, all you've been doing on this thread is just indirectly judging the OP of having sinned simply because she said she has urges (i.e. a natural human function).

1. So you are basically saying here that Jesus Christ, the Christ in Christianity, lied to His followers when He decreed that one sins by lusting in his heart after a woman, this in

Your issue is obviously not with me but with Jesus Christ. You don't seem to accept His teaching and hence probably believe His standard not good enough as far as your idea of Christianity is concerned.

2. Even Jesus Christ commanded His followers to no longer judge issues by the standard of men but instead by the standard set by God Himself, the one whose judgment is righteous, and that standard is Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and agreement for individuals in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 . So why do you find my teaching that which is God's Standard, Jesus Christ, offensive to you? That you would need to ask yourself since I qm obviously not the problem here.

Kobojunkie:
1. So you are basically saying here that Jesus Christ, the Christ in Christianity, lied to His followers when He decreed that one sins by lusting in his heart after a woman, this in

Your issue is obviously not with me but with Jesus Christ. You don't seem to accept His teaching and hence probably believe His standard not good enough as far as your idea of Christianity is concerned.

2. Even Jesus Christ commanded His followers to no longer judge issues by the standard of men but instead by the standard set by God Himself, the one whose judgment is righteous, and that standard is Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant and agreement for individuals in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30 . So why do you find my teaching that which is God's Standard, Jesus Christ, offensive to you? That you would need to ask yourself since I qm obviously not the problem here.

Dear Sir/Madam,

Is my English really too difficult to understand? Maybe I can try another language.

Christ said if a man looks at a woman in 'LUST', then he's already sinned. Looking at a person in lust simply means "looking at the person with a strong desire to have sexual intimacy with the person". The OP has not told you she's looking at anyone in lust, so why do you keep repeating the same thing over and over again?

No I do not find the teachings of Christ offensive, instead I find your continuous twisting of the scripture (to satisfy your holier than thou Pharisaic disposition) rather distasteful. All I see here from you is a desperation to judge another, albeit in a lost context. Your desperation to judge the OP for speaking her truth has made it impossible for you to read and digest what several people have pointed out in this thread.

Kobojunkie:
Sin is defined in scripture as direct disobedience of God's commandments and hence His Law, so all sin is against God.

Not just disobedience to GOD... All unrighteousness is sin. Sin is knowing what is good and not doing it. I am not here to debate on what is sin please...

luminouz:
Haaaaaaa


Naso capable men don scarce?

Seems so. With all the processed food you all b eating these days

tivhador:
Dat my friend is gonna backfire on you sooner or later......

backfire in what sense

Aaronbee7:
1. Sorry to say I think your reasoning is myopic and shrouded. You've written this repeatedly and I think I should enlighten you. In the scripture you're trying to quote, Mathew 5:27-28 Jesus was expatiating the laws of Moses (read from verse 21) and he made a contrast to the law that says that "thou shall not commit adultery" by adding that "any man who looks at a woman in a lustfull manner or with evil desires has already committed adultery with her in his heart. He didn't approve or justify adultery (the physical action) like you're trying to put it but went on to say if you even imagine it happening you have done it in your heart.

2. As for Op, it's not by your might nor power but by the Spirit of the Lord. You've abstained for 18 months and you didn't die. Keep 'fellowshiping' with the Holy Spirit by abstaining from things that will grieve Him or easily tempt you since your intention is to please God. I pray that your joy be restored in due time.

1. You are wrong and this since Jesus Christ made it clear that no man, not even He, has power to add,change or remove from God's Old Law, a Covenant given by God to the children of Israel for living in the land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 .

Instead , Jesus Christ came to give to men a new Yoke and burden to bear - God's New Covenant and Law in the Kingdom of God - Matthew 11 vs 28 - 30 & Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30, and this law consists of about 100 commandments of which that written of in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28 happens to be one.

Also, I never approved or justified adultery as you accuse me this since I made it severely clear thus far that in God's New Covenant, the sin of adultery refers also to the sexual lust in one's heart after a woman, this as stated in plain text right there in Matthew 5 vs 27 - 28

2. Contrary to the lies you have been fed, the Holy Spirit only abides inside of those who have through continuous obedience of the commandments of Jesus Christ, God's Truth and Law, have come to Know the Truth and have been set free from bondage to sin by the Truth and become Sons of God aka holy and perfect vessels that the Spirit of God is able to dwell in.

Kobojunkie:
I like the fluidity of it is why. There isn't much to know of me except the fact that I am a follower of Jesus Christ now when I never used to be one before now....as my nairaland history would reveal.

You've never thought of making new friends around here?

Optimistic4life:
Okay I get you. So if I long for sex with my ex husband, that shouldn't be a sin then.

So let me ask you. Is selfplay/selflove/masturbation a sin?

The body desiring what it needs naturally just like we eat.

Not fantasies towards anyone in particular.

please tell us what led to your divorce so others won’t make the same mistake, cos judging by the way you sound, you committed no offense. Please tell us.

SugarGirl44:
And you didn't see where I asked her to do it responsibly?
So as she's no more married now, what's she supposed to do? Jump into another marriage immediately just for the sake of sex?
Abeg stay out of my mention with your crude way of thinking.

Something is either a sin or not. No one cares if it is done responsibly or not.

Morally and legally, sex outside marriage is not bad, as long as it is consensual.

But in the Abrahamic religions, sex outside marriage is a sin, however way you twist it.

That is my point.

SyndyB:
1. Brother please stop misquoting scriptures. Don't pick a verse from the Bible to make up an interpretation, read the whole chapter. For example, read the whole of that Math chpt 5. From verse 17 Jesus said he has not come to abolish the previous law but to fulfill it. Read up to verse 19 and see what it said.

2. The new law you are talking about is given by Jesus, in addition to what the old law has said about Fornication, homosexuality , adultery etc. Your interpretation is that Fornication, homosexuality etc are longer sin, that it's only lusting or sexual urges that is sin. That's not what Jesus said. Sexual sins starts from the heart and that is lust. Fornication, homosexuality and others is end products of lust.

3. You said Jesus never condemned Fornication and adultery, now read these verses all in new testament

"Let marriage be had in honor among all, and let the bed be undefiled: for fornicators and adulterers God will judge(HEB 13:4,) .

1. I did exactly that.

2. According to you, Jesus Christ did not come to change or abolish the Old Law, so how could He then suggests commandments to be added to the same Old Law which He did not come to change ?

Hope you see the contradiction in your claim there. Jesus Christ came to give men a New Law and Covenant, separate and different from God's Old Covenant Law of Moses which was instead meant only for those who were born of the blood of Jacob and live in the land of Canaan - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

Not only is God's New Covenant, Jesus Christ, a separate Covenant from the Old Covenant, it is a standard that is so much higher than the Old Covenant and only applicable to the who inhabit the Kingdom of God aka those who are born again - John 3 vs 5 - 8.

3. The letter written to the Hebrews does not quote Jesus Christ or His Law directly. God's New Covenant Law is written instead in the Gospels- Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - and was ratified on the cross where Jesus Christ's blood was shed and He declared, "It is finished".