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Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 1:19am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
Another way to look at it is this, was Mary the mother of Jesus Christ? If yes, is Jesus Christ a God? Does that make Mary the Mother of God?

Well the Catholics beliefs in Mary is far more than this. Some random Christian bro called it blasphemy!

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 1:22am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Well the Catholics beliefs in Mary is far more than this. Some random Christian bro called it blasphemy!

That's my point, all churches have different beliefs. It seems like you are saying that other Churches are not allowed to have any belief outside those of the Catholics.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 1:27am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
That's my point, all churches have different beliefs. It seems like you are saying that other Churches are not allowed to have any belief outside those of the Catholics.

Christian beliefs should be based on the inspired word of God not men's doctrine!

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 1:35am On Apr 08, 2022

[quote author=cornelboy post=111747233]The Bible is a collection of books written and authored by inspired men of God. Not made by Catholic. The Catholics only sorted it out. Books like gospel of Mary, gospel of Thomas for examples were not really written by Mary and Thomas. They were even written long after the present books of the NT were written. They are clearly not inspired.
Wrong.. the books written by inspired me came long before the bible but the collection and the decision on what should be called inspired and uninspired are what resulted in the bible we have today. Again, if you believe that the Catholics could tell what was inspired or not, then clearly you believe they were inspired by the Holy Ghost because that's the only way to tell things of the Spirit. Now if they had the Holy Ghost (The Spirit of Truth), why do you disbelieve their doctrines?

The point is, as a true Christian, all our doctrines should be based on the Bible.
I disagree. We all base our doctrines on the bible yet we continue to argue. each using passages that favor his argument. or didn't you read where the bible called Jesus God?

[b]Of course Mary was the mother of [b]human Jesus. Jesus never had any mother before he came to earth to fulfill his Father's will.
The belief of the Catholics in Mary is beyond that.[/b] We both agree she wasn't his Heavenly mother but his earthly mother. I would not explain the Catholic viewpoint. Let's look for a catholic to do so.

They are not. God is responsible for it. His word would endure. I don't see your point, the word of God would endure even without a bible. God is responsible for everything, but he uses men, and the men responsible for the bible as you know it is the Catholics.

The KJV Bible is actually a trinitarian bible. It contains some additions to make the trinity dogma scriptural.
Even the versions older than King Jame came from the Catholic collection and I believe they are in a better position to tell us what was in the original bible than you.

Let's put it this way, If the bible was written today, the Catholics would own its copyrights. That would mean you and I could go to jail for modifying or retranslating without permission.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 1:36am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Christian beliefs should be based on the inspired word of God not men's doctrine!

that I agree but it always boils down to men explaining what is or is not inspired by God. For example, did the bible call Jesus Christ God or Not? Is Jesus Christ god?

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:04am On Apr 08, 2022

[quote author=tctrills post=111747358][/quote]They own no copyright bro. The books had authors.
There are still even some of the old testament manuscripts around today.

The Roman Catholics has done a lot of harm than good to Christianity.

Concerning the selection of the 66 books of the Bible, they didn't just canonise it because they felt like but because the books were really the inspired and authentic ones.

Have you read any of the agnostic books?

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:06am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
They own no copyright bro. The books had authors.
There are still even some of the old testament manuscripts around today.

The Roman Catholics has done a lot of harm than good to Christianity.

Concerning the selection of the 66 books of the Bible, they didn't just canonise it because they felt like but because the books were really the inspired and authentic ones.

Have you read any of the agnostic books?

You have a point. the Catholics did very little work with the old testament but the New Testament was 100 percent their contribution. So let's say, they have the copyrights to the new Testament.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:07am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
that I agree but it always boils down to men explaining what is or is not inspired by God. For example, did the bible call Jesus Christ God or Not? Is Jesus Christ god?

Yes that's right.
The Father is the one through God John 17 3
The Father was the one God Paul and the early church had. 1 Corinthians 8 6.
Thus the Father is the almighty God. One being. Deuteronomy 6 4

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:09am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Yes that's right.
The Father is the one through God John 17 3
The Father was the one God Paul and the early church had. 1 Corinthians 8 6.
Thus the Father is the almighty God. One being. Deuteronomy 6 4

So if there is only one true God, Jesus Christ can't be a God. So either John was lying when he called Jesus Christ God or....

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:09am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
You have a point. the Catholics did very little work with the old testament but the New Testament was 100 percent their contribution. So let's say, they have the copyrights to the new Testament.

I don't agree with that. The NT books also had authors and numerous manuscripts. All they did was compiling and translating.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:12am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
I don't agree with that. The NT books also had authors and numerous manuscripts. All they did was compiling and translating.

First, The Catholics claim that Peter was the first Pope so unless you have legal proof to show he was not, they have full copyrights to the new testament.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:14am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Yes that's right.
The Father is the one through God John 17 3
The Father was the one God Paul and the early church had. 1 Corinthians 8 6.
Thus the Father is the almighty God. One being. Deuteronomy 6 4

John 1.1 tells us Jesus is God, The same John in 17.3 says the father is the only true God, reconcile the two if you can.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:17am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
So if there is only one true God, Jesus Christ can't be a God. So either John was lying when he called Jesus Christ God or....

Of course he can be a god/God.
1 Corinthians 8:5&6 says there might be many Gods in heaven and on earth......

That link is educative. You can check it out.
https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/god-yhwh/hebrew-word-for-god.htm

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:20am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
John 1.1 tells us Jesus is God, The same John in 17.3 says the father is the only true God, reconcile the two if you can.

The same John and Jesus say the Father is Jesus God and Father.
John 20 17

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:20am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Of course he can be a god/God.
1 Corinthians 8:5&6 says there might be many Gods in heaven and on earth......

That link is educative. You can check it out.
https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/god-yhwh/hebrew-word-for-god.htm

First, if you say there is only one true God, then it's impossible to say Jesus Christ is also God. It's that simple. unless john did not mean it as you do

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:21am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
First, if you say there is only one true God, then it's impossible to say Jesus Christ is also God. It's that simple. unless john did not mean it as you do

Read 1 Corinthians 8 5 &6 for explanation

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:21am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
The same John and Jesus say the Father is Jesus God and Father. That's why I asked you to reconcile the 2 scriptures.
John 20 17

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:22am On Apr 08, 2022

Jesus that was called God by John himself said that the Father is the one true GOD. Compare with 1 Corinthians 8 5 & 6

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:24am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Of course he can be a god/God.
1 Corinthians 8:5&6 says there might be many Gods in heaven and on earth......

That link is educative. You can check it out.
https://www.ancient-hebrew.org/god-yhwh/hebrew-word-for-god.htm

I just read it. The writer failed to answer any of the questions we are talking about. And he suggested some things that are not from the bible. He claims Angels created the world and he calls angels Gods. The bible never did so.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:25am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Read 1 Corinthians 8 5 &6 for explanation

I have, it doesnt explain your point.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:26am On Apr 08, 2022

[quote author=tctrills post=111747620][/quote]Definitely Jesus is not the true GOD but the Father. And he's definitely not a false God. 1 Corinthians 8 5 & 6 explains it

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:27am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
I have, it doesnt explain your point.

Well sorry

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:27am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Jesus that was called God by John himself said that the Father is the one true GOD. Compare with 1 Corinthians 8 5 & 6

Don't you see it's getting more confusing and you are yet to answer if Jesus is God or not? So if you don't have the answers yourself, leave the Catholics alone.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:28am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Definitely Jesus is not the true GOD but the Father. And he's definitely not a false God. 1 Corinthians 8 5 & 6 explains it

So he is in between true and false, how interesting.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:29am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
I just read it. The writer failed to answer any of the questions we are talking about. And he suggested some things that are not from the bible. He claims Angels created the world and he calls angels Gods. The bible never did so.

It's not possible for you to have finished reading it even if was at speed of light.
It's just about Hebrew perspective of the word "God"

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:30am On Apr 08, 2022

It's lengthy but it's worth it. Just read through and comprehend.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:31am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
It's not possible for you to have finished reading it even if was at speed of light.
It's just about Hebrew perspective of the word "God"

I am not lying to you. I even had those verses as memory as a child.
1 Corinthians 8:5-6
King James Version
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:32am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
It's lengthy but it's worth it. Just read through and comprehend.

Its just 2 verse you said, verse 5and 6

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:33am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
It's lengthy but it's worth it. Just read through and comprehend.

Can I ask you a direct question where we do not beat around the bush?
Is Jesus Christ a God?

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:33am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
So he is in between true and false, how interesting.

Jehovah God made Moses like God unto Pharaoh. Moses is not the true God Jehovah and as well not a false God.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 2:35am On Apr 08, 2022

tctrills:
Its just 2 verse you said, verse 5and 6

I meant the link

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 2:35am On Apr 08, 2022

cornelboy:
Jehovah God made Moses like God unto Pharaoh. Moses is not the true God Jehovah and as well not a false God.

you said he made him like God, You did not say he made him God. 'Like' is a simile. I look like will smith does not mean that I am will smith

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