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Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 10:32am On Apr 09, 2022
[quote author=tctrills post=111782076][/quote]You religion is your personal info?

Facebook has space where you put your religion. Religion is not something secret or personal info.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by cornelboy(op): 10:42am On Apr 09, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
The problem with most people is the way they wish to keep sacred matters, they just want it to taken lightly with no restraint but when they discover that some are devoted exclusively to sacred services they try to figure out if it's due to selfish gain just as Satan accused Job {Job 1:9} to them there's no normal human that should take God seriously.
So when they notice those truly devoted without selfish reasons they begin looking for ways to discredit your Godly devotion trying to make you feel it's unnecessary.
So asking them about their own religion is like putting them on the hot seat, how do you expect them to respond to such a question when all what they're trying to tell you is the exact opposite of what you're doing? smiley

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Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 10:58am On Apr 09, 2022
You religion is your personal info? Actually, Facebook doesn't force or insist you tell your religion

Facebook has space where you put your religion. Religion is not something secret or personal info. It's your choice to tell and your insistence makes you come out like a perv. I have been on forums for over 10 years now, you are the only person that insists on knowing others' religions for a public discussion.
I have never met anyone with such strange behavior and trust me, I have met lots of strange people online but you are taking this to new heights.
I have discussed with 100s of people including those that didn't like me very much but you are the only one who insists on knowing my religion. This is making me view you in a negative light.
You have become pushy and intolerant and it's totally uncalled for.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by achorladey: 11:01am On Apr 09, 2022
cornelboy:
Go lock up somewhere Baba.

My point still stand.


Learn to face discussion.
What JWs are doing today, no groups can do them.
cheesy grin cheesy

Go lock up somewhere Baba.
Na my abete I dey now. grin grin grin

My point still stand.
It can sit as well. No wahala. grin grin

Learn to face discussion.
Facing it squarely paapaa grin grin

What JWs are doing today, no groups can do them
Like Jehovah’s witnesses are the first religious organization that translated and publish what is called the Bible today abi?

grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 11:02am On Apr 09, 2022
[quote author=cornelboy post=111784936]It's not that. Its about your personal beliefs. If you ask me a question about any Christian topic, I would tell you what I think, you do not need to know my church to know what I think. I am not representing a church here. It's clear that some people here openly represent their churches and are talking heads for their churches and we respect that. you should also respect those of us who are independent and are not talking heads for our organizations.
The respect should be mutual.
Let's respect those of you who act as emissaries for your churches and you respect those of us who are independent of our churches.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by achorladey: 11:17am On Apr 09, 2022
tctrills:
You religion is your personal info? Actually, Facebook doesn't force or insist you tell your religion

Facebook has space where you put your religion. Religion is not something secret or personal info. It's your choice to tell and your insistence makes you come out like a perv. I have been on forums for over 10 years now, you are the only person that insists on knowing others' religions for a public discussion.
I have never met anyone with such strange behavior and trust me, I have met lots of strange people online but you are taking this to new heights.
I have discussed with 100s of people including those that didn't like me very much but you are the only one who insists on knowing my religion. This is making me view you in a negative light.
You have become pushy and intolerant and it's totally uncalled for.
The whole idea for they seeking the religious of others is to go down the part of they have always been insult, labels, name call, shame that religious denominations just like their founding fathers did grin grin grin


See the below from their publications

Paul obviously was aware of some Greek teachings, and he used such knowledge to give a most effective witness. (Acts 17:28) Similarly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not ignorant of others’ beliefs. They have gained considerable basic knowledge of the doctrinal beliefs of religions common in their area. Consideration to such teachings has been given in the book What Has Religion Done for Mankind? as well as numerous articles in The Watchtower and Awake! Such information on various religions is presented in the context of its contrast with accurate Biblical teachings............


Since they have the basic knowledge and more about the common religions in their area, why are they asking the name of church of others here. Do they now lack these knowledge? grin grin grin


I said earlier they don't believe their is any good in the religion of others

See this again from the same publication


Many people who believe that ‘there is good in all religions’ might consider it narrow-minded to think otherwise. (Contrast Jesus’ view expressed at Matthew 7:13, 14, 21-23.) The Greek philosophers in ancient Athens encouraged such an “open-minded” attitude and enjoyed “telling something or listening to something new.” (Acts 17:18-21) But when the apostle Paul appeared before them, it was not to swap philosophies or ideas. He used the occasion to present what he knew to be the truth, whether he was considered narrow-minded or not.

In reality they don't believe their is good in all religion and Paul believed that too grin grin grin grin grin.

Anyone that wants to do anything worthwhile pertaining to religion or worship as it were should be a Jehovah’s witness grin grin grin grin
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Emusan(m): 11:20am On Apr 09, 2022
Janosky:
John 14:28, John 17:7,How can Jesus Christ grasp "equality" he says he doesn't have?
Lying liar JaNosense, where did Jesus say He doesn't have equality with God?

Phillipians 2:6, Mounce Greek interlinear screenshot proven the GIBBERISH in all the Trinitarian doctored versions quoted by Emusan. grin
It's Mounce Greek this time not Jerusalem Bible cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

The problem you're having is lack of comprehension.

Even both Mounce Greek and other translations I provided are saying the same thing but you're too dull to grasp it grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

CEV, OJB are doctored this time because they didn't dance to your tune cheesy cheesy grin grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

The same way Mounce Greek will become a doctored or laywer by you later grin cheesy grin[right][/right] grin cheesy

Here is the verse again in other translations

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

ERV: He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.

EHV: Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed,

GW: Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality

MSG: He had equal status with God but didn’t think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.

NIRV: In his very nature he was God. Jesus was equal with God. But Jesus didn’t take advantage of that fact.

OJB: Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature, Yn 1:1-2; 17:5], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized [BERESHIS 3:5] Phil 2:6
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Emusan(m): 11:28am On Apr 09, 2022
cornelboy:
Emusan's claim:



My reply;

"His believe is nothing. He's bound for destruction. He's doomed!"

Your response;



Pls Emusan, what did you mean by this your above statement?

a). Is my belief nothing because I am a JW?
b). Is Satan a JW, that's why we both have the same believe?
c). Did your god told you that I hold the same belief with Satan? Or how did you know?
d). Are you directing that to all Christians or what?
Pls kindly explain what you really meant to me.

I replied:

"Well my belief ain't like Satan belief. Despite the fact that he was with Jehovah in heaven, he went ahead to rebel and sin against Him.
I believe in Jehovah and His son Jesus Christ and the promise of eternal life."

Your response:



a). Which source did you get your information from?
b). Do Satan really believe in the Bible of just your assumption?
c). Are you emphasizing that I personally believe the Bible just the same way Satan did?
d). Do all Christians believe in the Bible like Satan do? If yes, are they bound for destruction too?
e). Do you believe in the Bible differently from Satan?

Pls simply answer these questions. I'll appreciate it smiley
Just a single post that is tormenting you like this cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

This single response from me has answered all your questions.

That's your own palaver, the Koko is that you believe in Bible just the way Satan did. So to believe in Bible doesn't mean you have the truth

Even a toddler won't find this to understand cheesy grin cheesy cheesy
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 11:41am On Apr 09, 2022
achorladey:
The whole idea for they seeking the religious of others is to go down the part of they have always been insult, labels, name call, shame that religious denominations just like their founding fathers did grin grin grin


See the below from their publications

Paul obviously was aware of some Greek teachings, and he used such knowledge to give a most effective witness. (Acts 17:28) Similarly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not ignorant of others’ beliefs. They have gained considerable basic knowledge of the doctrinal beliefs of religions common in their area. Consideration to such teachings has been given in the book What Has Religion Done for Mankind? as well as numerous articles in The Watchtower and Awake! Such information on various religions is presented in the context of its contrast with accurate Biblical teachings............


Since they have the basic knowledge and more about the common religions in their area, why are they asking the name of church of others here. Do they now lack these knowledge? grin grin grin


I said earlier they don't believe their is any good in the religion of others

See this again from the same publication


Many people who believe that ‘there is good in all religions’ might consider it narrow-minded to think otherwise. (Contrast Jesus’ view expressed at Matthew 7:13, 14, 21-23.) The Greek philosophers in ancient Athens encouraged such an “open-minded” attitude and enjoyed “telling something or listening to something new.” (Acts 17:18-21) But when the apostle Paul appeared before them, it was not to swap philosophies or ideas. He used the occasion to present what he knew to be the truth, whether he was considered narrow-minded or not.

In reality they don't believe their is good in all religion and Paul believed that too grin grin grin grin grin.

Anyone that wants to do anything worthwhile pertaining to religion or worship as it were should be a Jehovah’s witness grin grin grin grin
I wouldn't allow conelboy to do that to me. I have never spoken against their church. I only discuss doctrines so if he is planning to have a church war with me, I surrender even before the war begins.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:30pm On Apr 09, 2022
cornelboy:
Everything will turn out ok sir.
We use diesel at my work place. We now but black market.
My brother it hasn't been easy at all! undecided

We have a supplier but we're not sure of the next day price of diesel, it's really spoiling business for us as we can't predict how much the supplier will call it so each day it's until diesel is settled before we can think of profit! embarassed
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 7:35pm On Apr 09, 2022
tctrills:
You religion is your personal info? Actually, Facebook doesn't force or insist you tell your religion

Facebook has space where you put your religion. Religion is not something secret or personal info. It's your choice to tell and your insistence makes you come out like a perv. I have been on forums for over 10 years now, you are the only person that insists on knowing others' religions for a public discussion.
I have never met anyone with such strange behavior and trust me, I have met lots of strange people online but you are taking this to new heights.
I have discussed with 100s of people including those that didn't like me very much but you are the only one who insists on knowing my religion. This is making me view you in a negative light.
You have become pushy and intolerant and it's totally uncalled for.
Oga, you are a 3 deities worshipping Polytheist.
Una plenty for Religion Section, Nairaland.
Whether you say the officially recognized name on your NL profile or Facebook page, na your own cup of tea. grin
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 7:57pm On Apr 09, 2022
tctrills:
I ask you questions, you continue to rigmarole and now you start to insult. You keep believing what you can't explain. You would never be able to reconcile John 1.1 unless you open your heart and become teachable.
Tctrills, you have proven your allegiance to the Trinity GIBBERISH.
Yet you continue LYING as if you don't espouse Trinity grin grin
Read Acts 12:22-23 & John 1:1 Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear /Biblehub screenshots.
Two times Theos is in John 1:1 & Acts12:22-23.
Look at the circle dot, Bil Mounce your Trinity mentor, REMOVED Greek definite article ("ho"wink from John 1:1.
Did Bill Mounce remove the same article ("ho"wink from Acts12:23?
No.
What is the reason?
To perpetuate Trinity GIBBERISH.
@ Acts 12:22-23 Bill Mounce gives the full meaning of Greek Theos just as Emphatic Diaglott Bible & NWT John 1:1 did the same at John 1:1.
But, Bill Mounce refused to do same at John 1:1.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 8:10pm On Apr 09, 2022
tctrills:
I never defended any religion, I talk about gospel principles. You are free to quote me where did I defend trinity? You have become very dishonest. Go through my entire posts and quote me defending trinity if you are not a liar.
Tctrills," thou shalt not lie".
Proven by your own post on this thread.
Violation of Nairaland Rule 8.

Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 8:15pm On Apr 09, 2022
Emusan:
Just a single post that is tormenting you like this cheesy cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy

This single response from me has answered all your questions.

That's your own palaver, the Koko is that you believe in Bible just the way Satan did. [So to believe in Bible doesn't mean you have the truth

[s]Even a toddler won't find this to understand[/s] cheesy grin cheesy cheesy
Mr LIENUS doing his thing as usual.
grin
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 8:40pm On Apr 09, 2022
Janosky:
Tctrills," thou shalt not lie".
Proven by your own post on this thread.
Violation of Nairaland Rule 8.
What is your point? I asked you to reconcile john 1.1 and you got offended. You are just exposing yourself. Show me post where I defended Trinity and this is what you show. Please don't let people doubt your intelligence. You would not find a single post where I defended trinity. I am sure you searched all day yet you could come up with nothing.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 8:44pm On Apr 09, 2022
Janosky:
Tctrills, you have proven your allegiance to the Trinity GIBBERISH.
Yet you continue LYING as if you don't espouse Trinity grin grin
Read Acts 12:22-23 & John 1:1 Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear /Biblehub screenshots.
Two times Theos is in John 1:1 & Acts12:22-23.
Look at the circle dot, Bil Mounce your Trinity mentor, REMOVED Greek definite article ("ho"wink from John 1:1.
Did Bill Mounce remove the same article ("ho"wink from Acts12:23?
No.
What is the reason?
To perpetuate Trinity GIBBERISH.
@ Acts 12:22-23 Bill Mounce gives the full meaning of Greek Theos just as Emphatic Diaglott Bible & NWT John 1:1 did the same at John 1:1.
But, Bill Mounce refused to do same at John 1:1.
Baba, are you ready to answer my question or do you want to keep sending me stuff that dont apply to the discussion. let me make it easy for you.
According to John 1.1 Jesus is God now in John 17.3 there is only one true God. Question 1, is Jesus the true God? If he is not, is he a false God?
If you don't understand my questions, you are free to ignore let some one else try. But if you have to answer, send relevant materials. I read all you sent, none answered the very simple question.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 8:46pm On Apr 09, 2022
Janosky:
Oga, you are a 3 deities worshipping Polytheist.
Una plenty for Religion Section, Nairaland.
Whether you say the officially recognized name on your NL profile or Facebook page, na your own cup of tea. grin
My religion is not in debate here. What is your point?
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 8:50pm On Apr 09, 2022
Emusan:
Lying liar JaNosense, where did Jesus say He doesn't have equality with God?
2:6[/color][/b].
John 14:28
"Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, "You would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am"

John 20:17
" Jesus replied:" I am ascending to Father and your Father,my God and your God"
Emusan, Jesus Christ is NOT equal to his God.
Emusan are you equal to your God?
Mr LIENUS DECEIVING himself grin

Emusan:
It's Mounce Greek this time not Jerusalem Bible cheesy grin cheesy grin cheesy grin

The problem you're having is lack of comprehension.

Even both Mounce Greek and other translations I provided are saying the same thing but you're too dull to grasp it

John 14:28 & John 20:17, does Jesus Christ lack comprehension?
No, NEVER !!

Emusan is qualified to give Satan tutorial on LYING grin grin grin grin

Emusan:
CEV, OJB are doctored this time because they didn't dance to your tune cheesy cheesy grin grin cheesy grin cheesy cheesy

The same way Mounce Greek will become a doctored or laywer by you later grin cheesy grin[right][/right] grin cheesy
.
I challenge Emusan to give proof of any of my quote from CEV,OJB.
Emusan:
Here is the verse again in other translations

CEV: Christ was truly God. But he did not try to remain equal with God.

ERV: He was like God in every way, but he did not think that his being equal with God was something to use for his own benefit.

EHV: Though he was by nature God, he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed,

GW: Although he was in the form of God and equal with God, he did not take advantage of this equality

MSG: He had equal status with God but didn’t think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what.

NIRV: In his very nature he was God. Jesus was equal with God. But Jesus didn’t take advantage of that fact.

OJB: Who, though existing in the demut of the mode of being of Elohim [His etzem or essential nature, Yn 1:1-2; 17:5], nevertheless Moshiach did not regard being equal with G-d as a thing to be seized [BERESHIS 3:5] Phil 2:6
.
Emusan no just get shame dey lie anyhow!
John 14:28, Jesus Christ have proven that All your Trinitarian distorted version of Philippians 2:6 are spurious & FALSE.

I have a question for Emusan:
Is 1 Corinthians 11:3 in your Bible?
Paul wrote Phillipians 2:6 & 1 Corinthians 11:3.
Paul & Jesus Christ have proven that ALL your quotes of Phillipians 2:6 are in fact DUBIOUS.
Oga, repent grin
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Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 8:58pm On Apr 09, 2022
achorladey:
The whole idea for they seeking the religious of others is to go down the part of they have always been insult, labels, name call, shame that religious denominations just like their founding fathers did grin grin grin


See the below from their publications

Paul obviously was aware of some Greek teachings, and he used such knowledge to give a most effective witness. (Acts 17:28) Similarly, Jehovah’s Witnesses are not ignorant of others’ beliefs. They have gained considerable basic knowledge of the doctrinal beliefs of religions common in their area. Consideration to such teachings has been given in the book What Has Religion Done for Mankind? as well as numerous articles in The Watchtower and Awake! Such information on various religions is presented in the context of its contrast with accurate Biblicalteachings............


Since they have the basic knowledge and more about the common religions
in their area, why are they asking the name of church of others here. Do they now lack these knowledge[/b]? grin grin grin


I said earlier they don't believe their is any good in the religion of others

See this again from the same publication


Many people who believe that ‘there is good in all religions’ might consider it narrow-minded to think otherwise. (Contrast Jesus’ view expressed at Matthew 7:13, 14, 21-23.) The Greek philosophers in ancient Athens encouraged such an “open-minded” attitude and enjoyed “telling something or listening to something new.” (Acts 17:18-21) But when the apostle Paul appeared before them it was not to [b]swap philosophies or ideas. He used the occasion to present what he knew to be the truth whether he was considered narrow-minded or not.

In reality they don't believe their is good in all religion and Paul believed that too grin grin grin grin grin.

[b]
Anyone that wants to do [b]anything worthwhile pertaining to religion or worship as it were should be a [b]Jehovah’s witness
grin grin grin grin

Anyone that wants to do [b]anything worthwhile pertaining to religion or worship as it were should be a Jehovah’s witness just as Jesus Christ and the disciples were JEHOVAH'S witnesses, John 9:4 & Acts 3:13 & Isaiah 43:10(ASV)

Yes definitely!
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 9:15pm On Apr 09, 2022
achorladey:
How Jehovah’s witnesses go discuss without innuendos, name calling labels when the discussion does not dance to their tune. grin grin The expected outcome is the below.. M
We await more grin grin grin
Playing the victim card as usual grin grin grin cheesy. Abeg wetin Jehovah’s witnesses serve me that I need to serve back? You can equally see the bad fruits in other Christian denominations grin grin grin abi dem get good fruit ni? grin grin grin. Na make your body too hot about vengeance. The Bible you carry say vengeance is of the Lord but we know people like and Anthony Morris can't wait for us to go up in flames using the match stick and box as teaching aids to emphase how DESPICABLE APOSTATES will be destroyed. grin grin grin
Empty rants of a WAILER grin grin
Achorladey have you never used innuendos, name calling labels & playing the victim card on this public forum in your interactions with JWs when we refused to dance to your tune?

Oga, continue oooo grin

achorladey:
I laugh at STRICTLY when those Jesus is using cannot guarantee perfect spiritual food. grin grin grin. Your spiritual food is filled and refilled with mistakes and errors over the years. Oga go and read your brochure. To enjoy your self praise grin grin
Achorladey laugh STRICTLY making mockery of your intelligence.
Luke 24:21,25 ,Did the disciples prove their knowledge was perfect ?
1 Samuel 3:20,1 Samuel 16:6, Matthew 26:31-35,56,69-75, who made those errors & mistakes in your own Bible?
1 Corinthians 13:9, did Paul guarantee that his knowledge & writing were perfect?

"1 Corinthians 13:11, Finally brothers and sisters rejoice continue to MEND YOUR WAYS"

" Forward you witnesses of Jehovah & his son, ever strong of heart.


Atheists & 3 deities Polytheists won't stop DECEIVING themselves
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 9:24pm On Apr 09, 2022
tctrills:
My religion is not in debate here.
Oga, you are a 3 deities worshipping Polytheist.
Whether you put the officially recognized name (Catholic, Pentecostal, RCCG etc) on your NL profile or Facebook page,na your own cup of tea.
tctrills:
What is your point?
Oga, please read my previous response as many times as it takes you to understand it.

Shalom.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 10:18pm On Apr 09, 2022
Janosky:
Oga, you are a 3 deities worshipping Polytheist.
Whether you put the officially recognized name (Catholic, Pentecostal, RCCG etc) on your NL profile or Facebook page,na your own cup of tea.

Oga, please read my previous response as many times as it takes you to understand it.

Shalom.
Boss let others attempt the question. You seem to have no idea who Jesus Christ is. You are not even sure if he is God or not. You don't seem to have a stand. At one point, you said he is a true God, at another time you say he is not God. Haba. What is the matter?
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 11:05pm On Apr 09, 2022
tctrills:
Boss let others attempt the question. You seem to have no idea who Jesus Christ is. You are not even sure if he is God or not. You don't seem to have a stand. At one point, you said he is a true God, at another time you say he is not God. Haba. What is the matter?
Oga, you are confused & very desperate to console yourself grin grin grin grin.
John 20:17, Jesus Christ brought your confusion to an end but you vehemently refused & rejected his evidence.

Shalom.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 11:45pm On Apr 09, 2022
Janosky:
Oga, you are confused & very desperate to console yourself grin grin grin grin.
John 20:17, Jesus Christ brought your confusion to an end but you vehemently refused & rejected his evidence.

Shalom.
I DONT SEE THE USE OF TRADING WORDS WITH YOU. I just find it funny that you cant answer the simplest of bible questions yet you feel you are qualified to teach the gospel online. Tell the whole world, is Jesus Christ a true or a false God? If he is a true God, who is the only true God. I don't care about your insults but I would keep asking this simple question. This is one question you have no idea.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 12:03am On Apr 10, 2022
Janosky:
Oga, you are confused & very desperate to console yourself grin grin grin grin.
John 20:17, Jesus Christ brought your confusion to an end but you vehemently refused & rejected his evidence.

Shalom.
Let me also advise, please lets not turn this thread to an insulting contest were we use rude words. We obviously don't agree, you have an answers but I would not insult you for that. Its not your fault. We can still love ourselves if even if you cant answer my questions
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by achorladey: 12:25am On Apr 10, 2022
Janosky:

Anyone that wants to do [b]anything worthwhile pertaining to religion or worship as it were should be a Jehovah’s witness just as Jesus Christ and the disciples were JEHOVAH'S witnesses, John 9:4 & Acts 3:13 & Isaiah 43:10(ASV)

Yes definitely!
They were called Christian and they didn't belong to a man made organisation set up by Russell and named Jehovah's witnesses by Rutherford grin grin grin grin
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by achorladey: 1:07am On Apr 10, 2022
Janosky:
Empty rants of a WAILER grin grin
Achorladey have you never used innuendos, name calling labels & playing the victim card on this public forum in your interactions with JWs when we refused to dance to your tune?

Oga, continue oooo grin


Achorladey laugh STRICTLY making mockery of your intelligence.
Luke 24:21,25 ,Did the disciples prove their knowledge was perfect ?
1 Samuel 3:20,1 Samuel 16:6, Matthew 26:31-35,56,69-75, who made those errors & mistakes in your own Bible?
1 Corinthians 13:9, did Paul guarantee that his knowledge & writing were perfect?

"1 Corinthians 13:11, Finally brothers and sisters rejoice continue to MEND YOUR WAYS"

" Forward you witnesses of Jehovah & his son, ever strong of heart.


Atheists & 3 deities Polytheists won't stop DECEIVING themselves
grin grin grin grin grin grin


Empty rants of a WAILER grin grin Achorladey have you never used innuendos, name calling labels & playing the victim card on this public forum in your interactions with JWs when we refused to dance to your tune?
A je egbodo wa eni kun ara re. Bring it here let me see. We know you cannot do without it in your discussions grin grin grin grin grin. Like I told you before, una no dey follow wetin una dey teach grin grin grin. You want me to be your partner in your NO GET SENSE, WAILINGS, LIAR, DECEIVE, MUMU, ENEMY OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS grin grin grin grin grin. All this are your trademarks not forgetting calling the God you serve DOGHEADS.

All are as a result of peddling NO GET SENSE on this platform grin grin grin grin


Achorladey laugh STRICTLY making mockery of your intelligence.
Luke 24:21,25 ,Did the disciples prove their knowledge was perfect ?
1 Samuel 3:20,1 Samuel 16:6, Matthew 26:31-35,56,69-75, who made those errors & mistakes in your own Bible? 1 Corinthians 13:9, did Paul guarantee that his knowledge & writing were perfect?
All these scripture that cannot support the foundation of what you are saying. grin grin grin. In fact those scripture throw whatever you are saying into the realm of ARCHAIC IDEAS TO BE MOCKED AND ARE IRRELEVANT AS A RESULT OF RECENT BIBLICAL EVIDENCE grin grin grin grin

"1 Corinthians 13:11, Finally brothers and sisters rejoice continue to MEND YOUR WAYS"
After boasting about your LIES, insult others about your LIES, Shame, disfellowshipment of members about your LIES, DENY that you LIE, divide people based on your LIES. NAME CALLING [/b]based on you lies grin grin grin grin grin grin What follows......................[b]MEND YOUR WAYS LIKE how shoemaker they mend shoes grin grin grin grin grin

" Forward you witnesses of Jehovah & his son, ever strong of heart.
Witnesses of Jehovah no do again, he add his son grin grin grin grin


Atheists & 3 deities Polytheists won't stop DECEIVING themselves
Oga NO GET SENSE PEDDLING PEDDLER can continue to deceive himself and look for whom to rope into his way of DECEPTION grin grin grin
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by achorladey: 1:10am On Apr 10, 2022
tctrills:
Let me also advise, please lets not turn this thread to an insulting contest were we use rude words. We obviously don't agree, you have an answers but I would not insult you for that. Its not your fault. We can still love ourselves if even if you cant answer my questions
This one that one of his brother in Jehovah said nairaland has no rules no go listen to your words. They feed and drink on insult, name calling, tags and labels. They inherited it from their forerunners and religious leaders grin grin grin
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills:
achorladey:
This one that one of his brother in Jehovah said nairaland has no rules no go listen to your words. They feed and drink on insult, name calling, tags and labels. They inherited it from their forerunners and religious leaders grin grin grin
Janosky resulted to insults and name calling when the going got tough. For me, its simple. If you claim all others are wrong, no problem just be ready to give the correct answer whenever you are asked. The more he tries to distract with his insults, the more I bring him back to topic. Let him answer or keep quiet. I am sure Janosky feels like erasing John 1.1 from his bible.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by tctrills: 3:59am On Apr 10, 2022
Janosky:
Tctrills, you have proven your allegiance to the Trinity GIBBERISH.
Yet you continue LYING as if you don't espouse Trinity grin grin
Read Acts 12:22-23 & John 1:1 Bill Mounce Greek Interlinear /Biblehub screenshots.
Two times Theos is in John 1:1 & Acts12:22-23.
Look at the circle dot, Bil Mounce your Trinity mentor, REMOVED Greek definite article ("ho"wink from John 1:1.
Did Bill Mounce remove the same article ("ho"wink from Acts12:23?
No.
What is the reason?
To perpetuate Trinity GIBBERISH.
@ Acts 12:22-23 Bill Mounce gives the full meaning of Greek Theos just as Emphatic Diaglott Bible & NWT John 1:1 did the same at John 1:1.
But, Bill Mounce refused to do same at John 1:1.
Scholars are not the solution here.
Below are various interpretation of John 1.1 all by scholars
The Meaning and Origin of ‘In the Beginning Was the Word’

‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ These are among the most famous lines in the New Testament: they begin the Gospel of St. John. But what does ‘In the beginning was the Word’ mean? Let’s take a closer look at the meaning of this famous opening sentence.

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It’s perhaps helpful to begin by setting out the difference between the Gospel of John and the three other gospels: Matthew, Mark, and Luke. The Gospel of Mark is thought to have been composed the earliest of the four gospels, with Matthew and Luke basing their own accounts on it. The gospel of John was written later still, and of the four, has the strongest claim to actually having been written by one of Jesus’ apostles. (It’s been speculated, though we cannot know for sure, that John may have written his account in the late first century AD, when he was an old man of nearly 90.)


Matthew, Mark, and Luke are grouped together as the ‘Synoptic’ gospels, from a word meaning ‘seeing together’. These three accounts all reflect each other to varying degrees. But the Gospel of John is quite different. Right from those opening words, ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God’, John is signalling that his account of Jesus’ life will be treating Jesus as much more than a human being. This is not to say that the other gospel writers don’t also acknowledge that Jesus is the Messiah (as well as a human being), but that John’s Jesus is supernatural and ethereal – otherworldly, almost – right from the beginning.


‘In the beginning was the Word.’ But what does John mean by ‘the Word’? The original Greek text has Logos, for which ‘the Word’ is our English translation. But Logos is a word that comes with a lot of meanings packed into it, and ‘the Word’ is only a partial reflection of this densely significant word. This term, ‘the Word’, is not found in the Old Testament, and its use in the New Testament is down entirely to John.

In his endlessly informative Asimov’s Guide to the Bible: The New Testament: 002, the author and all-round polymath Isaac Asimov links John’s ‘In the beginning was the Word’ to the Greek philosophy of Thales of Miletus, who lived in the seventh century BC. Thales argued that, contrary to the idea that the world was largely erratic and unpredictable in its operations, it was actually subject to rigid laws of nature, and that these laws could be discovered using reason and observation. This is the beginnings of both rationalism and empiricism, if you will.


This meant that God – or, depending on which belief system you subscribed to, a whole pantheon of gods – created the world upon some clear and knowable principle, and that this principle is constant rather than changeable and arbitrary. One of Thales’ followers, Heraclitus, used the term ‘Logos’ to refer to this rational principle. ‘Logos’ means ‘word’ but it also denotes the entire rational structure of knowledge as Thales and Heraclitus had theorised it.


And as the term ‘Logos’ was taken up by more and more philosophers, it came to refer not to some abstract entity but to a thing, even a person: the person who had created this orderly system of knowledge and principle in the world. Logos, if you will, became personified. This tradition spread beyond the Greek world, and was taken up by the Jewish followers of Yahweh, or the Old Testament God. In Jesus’ time, a man named Philo the Jew popularised the term Logos as a reference to the rational aspect of Yahweh.


So when John begins his gospel by taking us back to the very beginning – of time and of the world and the universe – he is using the term Logos in light of this thinking. So ‘In the beginning was the Word’ means ‘In the beginning was Logos’ which means ‘at the beginning of everything, there was the entity we know as God, who embodied, and created, the rational principle on which everything is founded’.

So much for ‘In the beginning was the Word’; but what about the next part of John’s sentence? How was ‘the Word’ with God as well as being God?


Well, as Asimov explains, at the time John was writing there were some philosophers who tried to keep God and Logos separate. Logos was not synonymous with God, but merely one power that he possessed, if you will. God, being spiritual, was removed from the rational and scientific processes of the world: he could not be associated with material things, as an elision of ‘God’ with ‘Logos’ would imply. These philosophers and mystics were known as ‘Gnostics’, from the Greek meaning ‘to know’.

For these Gnostics, because the world is material, God could not have been directly responsible for creating it. Instead, they believed some sub-divine and more malevolent entity had done that. Because the world is full of evil, the Gnostics reasoned, an evil being must have had a hand in its creation. Plato famously called this being the ‘Demiurge’. And for Gnostics, Yahweh – the Old Testament version of God – was really the Demiurge, this inferior being to the true God, and the Demiurge was the one who had brought the (flawed) world into being.

For the Gnostics, Jesus was the true God, as opposed to Yahweh, the creator and Demiurge. And the Gospel of John, and those opening lines, set themselves against such a Gnostic interpretation of God and Creation. God and Jesus, God and Logos, Logos and Jesus: all are one and the same. Or, as John more poetically (but obscurely) puts it: ‘In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.’ That is, at the beginning of all things there was Logos, the creator of everything. And Logos was not only with God, but Logos was God. As the succeeding two verses of the Gospel of John make clear, Logos and God are the same being:

1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same [i.e., Logos, the Word] was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

That is, Logos was God, and Logos made ‘all things’. God made all things, but God was Logos, or the Word.
John 1:1 is the first verse in the opening chapter of the Gospel of John in the New Testament of the Christian Bible. The traditional and majority translation of this verse reads reads:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[1][2][3][4]

The verse has been a source of much debate among Bible scholars and translators.

"The Word," a translation of the Greek λόγος (logos), is widely interpreted as referring to Jesus, as indicated in other verses later in the same chapter.[5] For example, “the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us” (John 1:14; cf. 1:15, 17).

This and other concepts in the Johannine literature set the stage for the Logos-Christology in which the Apologists of the second and third centuries connected the divine Word of John 1:1-5 to the Hebrew Wisdom literature and to the divine Logos of contemporary Greek philosophy.[6]

On the basis of John 1:1, Tertullian, early in the third century, argued for two Gods where the Persons are distinct but the substance is undivided. But Tertullian saw the Word as ontologically inferior because He is only “a portion of the Whole.”

In John 1:1c, logos has the article but theos does not. Origen of Alexandria, a teacher in Greek grammar of the third century, argued that John uses the article when theos refers to "the uncreated cause of all things." But the Logos is named theos without the article because He participates in the divinity of the Father because of “His being with the Father.”

The main dispute with respect to this verse relates to John 1:1c (“the Word was God”). One minority translation is "the Word was divine." This is based on the argument that the grammatical structure of the Greek does not identify the Word as the Person of God but indicates a qualitative sense. The point being made is that the Logos is of the same uncreated nature or essence as God the Father. In that case, “the Word was God” may be misleading because, in normal English, "God" is a proper noun, referring to the person of the Father or corporately to the three persons of the Godhead.

With respect to John 1:1, Ernest Cadman Colwell writes:

The absence of the article does not make the predicate indefinite or qualitative when it precedes the verb, it is indefinite in this position only when the context demands it.

So, whether the predicate (theos) is definite, indefinite or qualitative depends on the context. Consequently, this article raises the concern that uncertainty with respect to the grammar may result in translations based on the theology of the translator. The commonly held theology that Jesus is God naturally leads to a corresponding translation. But a theology in which Jesus is subordinate to God leads to the conclusion that "... a god" or "... divine" is the proper rendering.
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by yahwehpickin(m): 10:07am On Apr 10, 2022
cornelboy:
The trinity and Mary is the mother of God are Roman Catholics dogmas. They are both unscriptural.

What I'm asking is why Pentecostals/protestants don't believe in the Mary is the mother of God doctrine but believe that Jesus is God (Trinity).
If you say the trinity is a Catholic dogma then you don't read your bible.

Jesus the Christ, has always spoken about his father Jehovah and the Holy Spirit.
We pray to God(father) through Jesus by the Help and. guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Elohim is plural

In creation God the Father, the word and the Spirit was present.... They are one but have their different functions.

Romans 8:16
[16]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

When it comes to mary, the mother of Jesus... She was a vessel like any other vessel God has used, and you need to look at the lineage from Adam to Abraham to David to Joseph the earthly father of Jesus. God orchestrated the whole thing. ( There were others who paid the price too) So I see Mary as a vessel, a saint one through whom Jesus Christ came as God purposed it.

When Jesus started ministry and he was preaching and the people told him your mother and brethren were here to see him. His reply was

Mark 3:31-35
[31]There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
[32]And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

[33]And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

[34]And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

[35]For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So Jesus has many mothers, we are all part of this great family!!!!
Re: Catholic Are 100% Right By Saying Mary Is The Mother Of GOD! by Janosky: 3:13pm On Apr 10, 2022
yahwehpickin:
If you say the trinity is a Catholic dogma then you don't read your bible.
Oga, Trinity is Catholic dogma.
NOT biblical.
yahwehpickin:
Jesus the Christ, has always spoken about his father Jehovah and the Holy Spirit.
We pray to God(father) through Jesus by the Help and guidance of the Holy Spirit.
Through the guidance of God's finger, Matthew 12:28 & Luke 11:20.
yahwehpickin:
Elohim is plural
Elohim is plural of majesty not plural of persons.
Judaism has no doctrine of plural of persons.
yahwehpickin:
In creation God the Father, the word and the Spirit was present.... They are one but have their different functions.
In the old testament holy spirit is NOT a person.
The scriptures NEVER said they are one.
E no dey any Bible.
yahwehpickin:
Romans 8:16
[16]The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
Very good.
"Spirit itself", Romans 8:16.
Genuine proof that holy spirit itself is not a person.

Which chapter & verses did your Bible refer to God as "itself"?
None !
yahwehpickin:
When it comes to mary, the mother of Jesus... She was a vessel like any other vessel God has used, and you need to look at the lineage from Adam to Abraham to David to Joseph the earthly father of Jesus. God orchestrated the whole thing. ( There were others who paid the price too) So I see Mary as a vessel, a saint one through whom Jesus Christ came as God purposed it.

When Jesus started ministry and he was preaching and the people told him your mother and brethren were here to see him. His reply was

Mark 3:31-35
[31]There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.
[32]And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.

[33]And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?

[34]And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!

[35]For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

So Jesus has many mothers, we are all part of this great family!!!!
Ok.
Since you claim he is God.
Does God have many mothers?
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