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jmoore:
Islam is a cancer to Nigeria and the whole world.

The poster is a FOOL!! Terrorism analysis is what you did.

Qur'an is actually a book of blasphemy against Christianity. Why are Nigerian Christians not killing Muslims because of that?

Christianity came first before Islam. Christians believe Jesus is son of God. But Islam came and blasphemed by saying Jesus is a prophet.

Stop defending the barbaric Islamic religion of terror.

Hahaha.. this is a whole new angle.

thorpido:
...and so her brutal murder was justice served?

Jungle justice is inhuman and will never fit any crime.

May her soul rest in God 's bossom.
Amen.

Blablamalala:
You have only painted a reality that there can never be peace. Will the atheist stop putting so much energy into the speeches others see as mockery of their faith? No because if he does he automatically stops being an atheist, he has to always attack religions inorder to remain an atheist. What makes him an atheist equals to what makes others see him as a violator. This applies vice versa to Muslims, Christians and all the rest just as you have described above. THE WORLD IS WHAT IT IS,A PLACE VERY WELL FASHIONED FOR CONSISTENT CONFLICTS. ONLY THE WISE SURVIVE.

Deep!

Blablamalala:
Am not aware of any insults do you have some to show?

Refer to the one by Sterling Bank, it's still fresh.

aribisala0:
We don not gain more land or more food .That is nonsense. Economically the North is a liability
We do not need to replace Wahabism because it is not our problem.Why should we impose on them. They know what is best for them.
We should focus on our own problems

We can be neighbouring countries and get all the food you mention by trade without having to be in the same country

Look at the European Union in many ways they are more integrated than we are, they use the same currency and much more so we can have a similar model but different nations at any rate that is how we will have to go not just with Northern Nigeria but much of West Africa. We can be very close and still have different countries

You haven't been taking a closer look at Europe. If you have you will agree with my earlier statement about the reality of life on Planet Earth. The economic growth of European countries and America is dependent on the distabilization, colonization of other nations the see as inferior human beings occupying them, who have natural resources they can take away mostly by brute force before systematic imposition of psychological manipulations in the name of education. All boils down to fighting for economic relevance through spreading idealogies. How many blood has been shed or is being shed just to make DEMOCRACY to flourish by believer in democracy?

Russia of course is in Europe. Why the recent war? We all know that if Russia isn't a COMMUNIST country, it will be at peace with the U.S.A which tries to impose democracy on the world, in essence democratic dictatorship.




Modified: aribisala0

WHAT I AM SAYING IS. THERE CAN NEVER EVER BE PEACE IN THIS WORLD WE ARE LIVING IN. WHAT HAPPENED IN SOKOTO IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ANYBODY WHO CHOOSES TO ABUSE NNAMDI KANU IN AN ENVIRONMENT OCCUPIED BY HARD CORE KANU FOLLOWERS. IT IS NOT DIFFERENT FROM XENOPHOBIA IN SOUTH AFRICA, THE LIST OF KILLINGS WE HUMANS PARTICIPATE IN UNDER ALL KINDS OF LABELS STILL REMAINS THE SAME THING, DEATH. LET US THROW AWAY SENTIMENTS.

Saifullah01:
We might decide to Bury our heads in dust, or shout at each other or call every Muslim a terrorist all we want. My discussion is directed towards future occurrence of this unfortunate incident - the cause and its consequence.

Your comparison above is not valid because, many have denied that the prophet was even a prophet from God or even denied his message which can be uncomfortable for Muslims but have to deal with it as reality of the world we live in. So also your mentioning that Muslims do not consider Jesus as GOD but will not dare insult him (peace be upon him)

The fact still remains that over 2 billion people on this planet love this man called Muhammad peace be upon him beyond your comprehension. Of these, majority of them don't support taking laws into their hands but most definitely support strict state backed punishment for anyone who involves in such instigations.

And yes there are laws in many jurisdictions that condemn people to death for offences some might find trivial or subjective like treason, desertion, espionage, drug smuggling etc.

It is important to call you out on this cause and consequence claim

Are you saying she caused her death or her killing was justified? Yes or no

Batam:
Nothing will happen to them.
If those that stoned that woman evangelist to death has received death penalty or those who killed a teacher because she threw a Quran that contains an expo away has been severely dealt with, those engaging in such heinous and barbaric act will have tread with caution.

Noooo... many will kill to be killed to be eligible for paradise.

Saifullah01:
It is also a fact that although ignorant people have over time and in different places used bad words against the prophet (PBUH), no Muslim worth the name dear mention great prophets like Moses, Ezekiel etc without saying "peace be upon them or "Alaihim Salaam" or AS, not to think of using bad speech against them

Have you not seen where Muslim insult and make mockery of Annabi Isa (Jesus) both online and offline.

Religious extremism has to be checked, likewise wisdom required when in a particular religion dominate a place.

aribisala0:
Yes we can decide to change the subject to irrelevances or play victim or make grandiose speeches

The fact remains that people should be able to say what they like. Muslims do. At the core of Islamic belief and teachings are things that are offensive to others.

If you are genuine in preventing future recurrences the look at Muslims and get them to accept that if anyone abuses their beliefs they have to pursue redress lawfully not by violence bearing in mind that their own beliefs are offensive to some and no one is killing them for that
If Muslim or Christian can can Ogun an idol and not get killed Ogun worshippers too can call Allah fake or Mohammed a liar and not get killed that is the point here

The key word is offensive and not insulting

Do you know that Muslims find ascribing a son to God as offensive?

Like I modified above:

Your comparison above is not valid because, many have denied that the prophet was even a prophet from God or even denied his message which can be uncomfortable for Muslims but have to deal with it as reality of the world we live in. So your mentioning that Muslims do not consider Jesus as GOD is a fact but they will not dare insult him (peace be upon him)

Infact insulting Jesus peace be upon him nullifies your islam.

My point, a "condemnable" act has happened. Let's find ways to prevent it from happening again

Blablamalala:
You haven't been taking a closer look at Europe. If you have you will agree with my earlier statement about the reality of life on Planet Earth. The economic growth of European countries and America is dependent on the distabilization, colonization of other nation the see as inferior human beings who have natural resources they can take away. All boils down to idealogies. How many blood has been shed or is being shed just to make DEMOCRACY to flourish by believer in democracy?

Russia of course is in Europe. Why the recent war? We all know that if Russia isn't a COMMUNIST country, it will be at peace with the U.S.A which tries to impose democracy on the world, in essence democratic dictatorship.

You are ranting and going off on a tangent
Come back to the topic

Saifullah01:
I am not here to discuss the incident of her death, but rather the comment that triggered it.
So if you are unable to deconstruct and analyse issues without sentiments, this is not for you.

Below is a translation of what she said verbatim. I have removedthe expletives she used:

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Like I said the essence is to analyse what she said. One wonders, was she deliberately trying to start a religious crisis thinking it wouldn't go beyond the usual social media banter against Muslims?

I ask this because for some one trying to stop religious posts in a chat group do you start by saying "Holy ghost fire"? This is self contradiction.
Secondly, after making your point on not posting religious materials in the chat, why on earth did she had to insult the prophet (peace be upon him)

It is a fact that Muslims revere the Prophets of Allah more than anything in this world, and the prophet of Islam occupies a special place in their heart.

It is also a fact that although ignorant people have over time and in different places used bad words against the prophet (PBUH), no Muslim worth the name dear mention great prophets like Moses, Ezekiel etc without saying "peace be upon them or "Alaihim Salaam" or AS, not to think of using bad speech against them

So it is important to state that I condemn the act of taking laws into one's hand, but also condemn any form of instigation and inciting speech against anyone, Muslims and non Muslims alike

You’re dull
To be sincere

ebukason3:
Have you not seen where Muslim insult and make mockery of Annabi Isa (Jesus) both online and offline.

Religious extremism has to be checked, likewise wisdom required when in a particular religion dominate a place.

Please show me

Saifullah01:
I [s]am not here to discuss the incident of her death, but rather the comment that triggered it.
So if you are unable to deconstruct and analyse issues without sentiments, this is not for you.

Below is a translation of what she said verbatim. I have removedthe expletives she used:

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Like I said the essence is to analyse what she said. One wonders, was she deliberately trying to start a religious crisis thinking it wouldn't go beyond the usual social media banter against Muslims?

I ask this because for some one trying to stop religious posts in a chat group do you start by saying "Holy ghost fire"? This is self contradiction.
Secondly, after making your point on not posting religious materials in the chat, why on earth did she had to insult the prophet (peace be upon him)

It is a fact that Muslims revere the Prophets of Allah more than anything in this world, and the prophet of Islam occupies a special place in their heart.

It is also a fact that although ignorant people have over time and in different places used bad words against the prophet (PBUH), no Muslim worth the name dear mention great prophets like Moses, Ezekiel etc without saying "peace be upon them or "Alaihim Salaam" or AS, not to think of using bad speech against them

So it is important to state that I condemn the act of taking laws into one's hand, but also condemn any form of instigation and inciting speech against anyone, Muslims and non Muslims alike[/s]

Did you read this bullshit before posting it??...the people that liked your write up are also very stupid..

aribisala0:
You are ranting and going off on a tangent
Come back to the topic

Am sorry, have grown from being a myopic mind.

Saifullah01:
The key word is offensive and not insulting

Do you know that Muslims find ascribing a son to God as offensive?

Like I modified above:

Your comparison above is not valid because, many have denied that the prophet was even a prophet from God or even denied his message which can be uncomfortable for Muslims but have to deal with it as reality of the world we live in. So your mentioning that Muslims do not consider Jesus as GOD is a fact but they will not dare insult him (peace be upon him)

Infact insulting Jesus peace be upon him nullifies your islam.

My point, a "condemnable" act has happened. Let's find ways which it doesn't repeat itself

Your problem is you talk but do not listen

Offence or insult is judged by who?? Who determines that?
I am not here to debate the content of beliefs just to establish pricniples that should apply to everyone

I am entitled to believe that there is no God. So naturally if I do not believe ther is God I cannot believe that the prophet was sent by anyone and I believe therefore that he lied. Am I entitled to hold that belief and to voice my belief ?

In the mind of a Muslim caling Jesus a man and not God is not an insult but others may consider it as such again WHO IS THE JUDGE

My point is whether your religious sensibilities are insulted or offended you have no right to violent redress

So what then is your point? If you are genuinely interested in stopping future recurrence the solution is not to stop free speech but getting those Muslims inclined to violence to learn restraint

ChoCho54:
Refer to the one by Sterling Bank, it's still fresh.

Quote it here.

Saifullah01:
The key word is offensive and not insulting

Do you know that Muslims find ascribing a son to God as offensive?

Like I modified above:

Your comparison above is not valid because, many have denied that the prophet was even a prophet from God or even denied his message which can be uncomfortable for Muslims but have to deal with it as reality of the world we live in. So your mentioning that Muslims do not consider Jesus as GOD is a fact but they will not dare insult him (peace be upon him)

Infact insulting Jesus peace be upon him nullifies your islam.

My point, a "condemnable" act has happened. Let's find ways to prevent it from happening again

Is it your religion that determines what is offensive or what is not?...OP your so called analysis is just a representation of how foolish you are...go and lay this analysis to your biological father

Saifullah01:
I am not here to discuss the incident of her death, but rather the comment that triggered it.
So if you are unable to deconstruct and analyse issues without sentiments, this is not for you.

Below is a translation of what she said verbatim. I have removedthe expletives she used:

.

Like I said the essence is to analyse what she said. One wonders, was she deliberately trying to start a religious crisis thinking it wouldn't go beyond the usual social media banter against Muslims?

I ask this because for some one trying to stop religious posts in a chat group do you start by saying "Holy ghost fire"? This is self contradiction.
Secondly, after making your point on not posting religious materials in the chat, why on earth did she had to insult the prophet (peace be upon him)

It is a fact that Muslims revere the Prophets of Allah more than anything in this world, and the prophet of Islam occupies a special place in their heart.

It is also a fact that although ignorant people have over time and in different places used bad words against the prophet (PBUH), no Muslim worth the name dear mention great prophets like Moses, Ezekiel etc without saying "peace be upon them or "Alaihim Salaam" or AS, not to think of using bad speech against them

So it is important to state that I condemn the act of taking laws into one's hand, but also condemn any form of instigation and inciting speech against anyone, Muslims and non Muslims alike

You ended up making no sense at all
In fact, your are mad

Blablamalala:
Quote it here.

Ouch!

She deserves her death

ChoCho54:
Ouch!

Okay never mind. I understand very well. What you should know is, in a democratic setting one of what keeps the ball rolling for politicians is the art of arousing sentiments that will work for them. It is same in the U.S.A Donald Trump is a typical contemporary example. As for me I have come to embrace the world for what it is, it is self deception to believe that it is not about everlasting ENEMITIES.

Parachoko:
The girl shouldn't have said what she said about the prophet, Prophet Muhammad(PBUH)

But she does not deserve to be killed.

I listened to her voice note this morning, she should have known better.

I'm not justifying her death, but there is a saying, When You Are In Rome, You Have To Do Like The Romans.

May Her Soul RIP

But you are. Why not show us the WhatsApp post that she was responding to, before you start saying trash.
May all those supporting the brutal murder of Deborah Samuel either overtly or covertly die painful and miserable death and in their prime Amen.

aribisala0:
This idea of cause and consequence you are trying to sell is terrorism

How many Muslims have been killed for calling other people's deities idols
The fact remains that people should be able to say what they like. Muslims do. At the core of Islamic belief and teachings are things that are offensive to others.
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If you are genuine in preventing future recurrences the look at Muslims and get them to accept that if anyone abuses their beliefs they have to pursue redress lawfully not by violence bearing in mind that their own beliefs are offensive to some and no one is killing them for that

Actually I agree with you, but the world is what it is. There will always be miscreants, mischief makers and genuinely offended people (who won't take laws into their hands). And although the latter might be the majority, the former two hide under sanctimonious outrage, and heightened emotions of the latter to perpetrate their acts.

There are reasons why some countries have laws against hate speech, holocaust denial, insulting a monarch etc. These societies evolved these laws to suit their peculiarities and if we find it difficult to even discuss such amongst ourselves without shouting, accusing or intimidating each other - then what are we

Saifullah01:
I am not here to discuss the incident of her death, but rather the comment that triggered it.
So if you are unable to deconstruct and analyse issues without sentiments, this is not for you.

Below is a translation of what she said verbatim. I have removedthe expletives she used:

.

Like I said the essence is to analyse what she said. One wonders, was she deliberately trying to start a religious crisis thinking it wouldn't go beyond the usual social media banter against Muslims?

I ask this because for some one trying to stop religious posts in a chat group do you start by saying "Holy ghost fire"? This is self contradiction.
Secondly, after making your point on not posting religious materials in the chat, why on earth did she had to insult the prophet (peace be upon him)

It is a fact that Muslims revere the Prophets of Allah more than anything in this world, and the prophet of Islam occupies a special place in their heart.

It is also a fact that although ignorant people have over time and in different places used bad words against the prophet (PBUH), no Muslim worth the name dear mention great prophets like Moses, Ezekiel etc without saying "peace be upon them or "Alaihim Salaam" or AS, not to think of using bad speech against them

So it is important to state that I condemn the act of taking laws into one's hand, but also condemn any form of instigation and inciting speech against anyone, Muslims and non Muslims alike

It's more annoying that you were trying to rationalize the situation that lead to her death and it's obvious you are a sympathizer. Whatever she said is not worth losing her life. And this ridiculous mentality of you fighting for your so called prophet is imbecilic. You are fighting for someone who has the capacity to protect you? I'd that not stupidity?

Blablamalala:
Okay never mind. I understand very well. What you should know is, in a democratic setting one of what keeps the ball rolling for politicians is the art of arousing sentiments that will work for them. It is same in the U.S.A Donald Trump is a typical contemporary example. As for me I have come to embrace the world for what it is, it is self deception to believe that it is not about everlasting ENEMITIES.

You are right on everlasting enemities.
But we can be tolerant enemies, that's the essence of democracy.

Saifullah01:
Actually I agree with you, but the world is what it is. There will always be miscreants, mischief makers and genuinely offended people (who won't take laws into their hands). And although the latter might be the majority, the former two hide under sanctimonious outrage, and heightened emotions of the latter to perpetrate their acts.

There are reasons why some countries have laws against hate speech, holocaust denial, insulting a monarch etc. These societies evolved these laws to suit their peculiarities and if we find it difficult to even discuss such amongst ourselves without shouting, accusing or intimidating each other - then what are we

There is Islam in Yoruba land where I am from. This is a peculiarly cultural problem in Northern Nigeria
The conclusion for me is that we cannot live in peace in one country and we need to break up so the North can do their thing their PECULIAR way.

We do not have to remain in the same country for ever because we are not compatible

op are you alright at all even when the prophet was alive people says worse things than this to him ,he never pass judgments on them .rather he returned it with good behaviors whatever we do in this life with our mouth,eyes,hands ,legs we all gonna make account for it . op hope you able to say this when you face Allah

Nmaster:
She deserves her death

you can type this boldly because you're on a faceless forum...you're a coward....go twitter and put your face and location and type this if e sure for your mama left breast

aribisala0:
Your problem is you talk but do not listen

Offence or insult is judged by who?? Who determines that?
I am not here to debate the content of beliefs just to establish pricniples that should apply to everyone

I am entitled to believe that there is no God. So naturally if I do not believe ther is God I cannot believe that the prophet was sent by anyone and I believe therefore that he lied. Am I entitled to hold that belief and to voice my belief ?

In the mind of a Muslim caling Jesus a man and not God is not an insult but others may consider it as such again WHO IS THE JUDGE

My point is whether your religious sensibilities are insulted or offended you have no right to violent redress

So what then is your point? If you are genuinely interested in stopping future recurrence the solution is not to stop free speech but getting those Muslims inclined to violence to learn restraint

Your salient point is well noted. But I doubt if those bunch ever reason at all. It's too bad to even share same Country with this kind of subhumans

ChoCho54:
You are right on everlasting enemities.
But we can be tolerant enemies, that's the essence of democracy.

It seems so in theory. In its very practical essence it is impossible to implement with all honesty. How do we define FREEDOM OF SPEECH to start with. The article of faiths in democracy conflicts one another. Can aribisala0 come to our rescue?

No doubt God is clapping for you all.
You did well taking a life.
Bravo

hakeemhakeem:
op are you alright at all even when the prophet was alive people says worse things than this to him ,he never pass judgments on them .rather he returned it with good behaviors whatever we do in this life with our mouth,eyes,hands ,legs we all gonna make account for it . op hope you able to say this when you face Allah

I tried and tried even harder to state unequivocally that this is no way justifying their act but trying to deconstruct this complex, intertwined issue and address an aspect of it.

I even had to condemn the jungle justice in another post. But it seems we can't discuss issues devoid of sentiments in this clime or rather those that can are considerably smaller in number than I thought.

Mind you in this heated debate going on online there are different interests fanning the flames, there are the secessionist, the politicians, the religious extremists on both sides, non Nigerians etc