DeepSight:

Exactly: a factor a creator must have taken into consideration no?
And if this freewill were expected to ever only be exercised in a particular manner, then it was never free.
Thus the very existence of alleged free will already contemplates negative exercise of same.

DeepSight:


This is upside-down reasoning. It is exactly because man is said to be created in the image of God that the matter is so damning for God - because the nature of man then effectively discloses the nature of God.

MaxInDHouse:


This is where we need understanding of what freewill means!
When the Bible said:

“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it" Genesis 2:16-17

Every tree means you're free to do whatever you like in life, but the tree of the knowledge of good and bad means setting standards for other humans (adults) that's the only thing God forbids them from doing.
Because it will lead to trouble and they will start seeking way to hurt one another!

Image123:


A fallen nature? Nature of God refers to man's triune nature and immortality. The beasts and the universe are not said to be created in the nature of God, are they?

wirinet:


Why would God put a harmful tree there knowing fully well they would eat the fruit?
It's like a father putting assorted toys for a 3 year old child and including a match box, and then telling the kid " every toy you can play with, but you must not play with the matchbox, else you burn yourself". And the leave the child all by itself. Obviously the child would lit the matchbox.

Who then is to blame?

wirinet:

What do you mean by triune nature and immortality? What is triune nature and is man immortal? How come other animal species like our closest species like the Urangutan and Gorilla don't possess these nature?
And how are you certain that there are no other life in the vast universe that share these so called nature?

KnownUnknown:


The child of course. Children are born with seen cin Sin and that’s why they cry, shit themselves, and act like veritable demons for the first few years of life. At the age of 12 the Holy Spirit descends on them and they become qualified for salvation by the blood sacrifice of super Jew.

wirinet:

Why would God put a harmful tree there knowing fully well they would eat the fruit?
It's like a father putting assorted toys for a 3 year old child and including a match box, and then telling the kid " every toy you can play with, but you must not play with the matchbox, else you burn yourself". And the leave the child all by itself. Obviously the child would lit the matchbox.

Who then is to blame?

MaxInDHouse:

This is the problem with most of you guys, instead of reading carefully and digesting what others typed you just want to sum it all up in your preconceived thoughts and then believe you've gotten it all figured out!

Did you even read my comments or you just glanced through?

Well for the benefit of other followers of this thread i'll answer you:

There were real trees with good fruit in the garden of Eden but when God is talking about the knowledge of good and evil that is no longer a literal tree issue but the right to set rules among mature minds.
So the import of what you're quoting is that it's only God that can set the right standard for mankind so we don't get overly anxious and start killing one another just as most people does today in the name of WARS!

MaxInDHouse:

“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad, you must not eat from it" Genesis 2:16-17

Every tree means you're free to do whatever you like in life, but the tree of the knowledge of good and bad means setting standards for other humans (adults) that's the only thing God forbids them from doing.

wirinet:

Why would God put a harmful tree there knowing fully well they would eat the fruit?
Who then is to blame?

MaxInDHouse:

This is the problem with most of you guys, instead of reading carefully and digesting what others typed you just want to sum it all up in your preconceived thoughts and then believe you've gotten it all figured out!
Did you even read my comments or you just glanced through?

MaxInDHouse:

Well for the benefit of other followers of this thread i'll answer you:
There were real trees with good fruit in the garden of Eden but when God is talking about the knowledge of good and evil that is no longer a literal tree issue but the right to set rules among mature minds.

MaxInDHouse:

[b]Every tree means you're free to do whatever you like in life, but the tree of the knowledge of good and bad means setting standards for other humans (adults) that's the only thing God forbids them from doing.

LordReed:


Good so the question is how did humans interfere with lions if they have always been carnivores and what is the evidence for this interference?

justcool:


Please calmly read comment again, and also my reply to wirinet.
I have answered these questions and I won’t repeat them again.

Thanks

justcool:


Please calmly read comment again, and also my reply to wirinet.
I have answered these questions and I won’t repeat them again.

Thanks

wirinet:

So you are insinuating that the tree was not a literal tree but a spiritual one, and that Adam and Eve did not eat a literal apple (or whatever fruit it was)?

DeepSight:

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All of the above and much more grounds my belief that if a God exists who created this world, he/she/it can only be a cold and maniacal sadist of the worst kind imaginable.

Image123:


When we say "nature of God", we're basing it on what the Bible says/said i suppose, not what the textbook says. i don't think the textbook or wikipedia is where anyone here learned that man was created in the nature/image of God. BTW, man was never created holy but complete, although God is holy.
The image/nature of God that all men possess is that of being tripartite and one. That is made of spirit, soul and body. i am talking/explaining based on the Bible and on God, where the thread/OP is arguing from, not based on your laboratory findings. Man as a being is spirit, soul and body and yet one being. Secondly, man is "immortal" unlike other living things created on earth in the sense that we have "spirit". Spirits don't die, spirit is from God, God's breathe. Same goes for devils, angels and other spirits, they are gods in a form. While our physical bodies die, our spirits actually don't die but return to God Who will ultimately send them to their final destinations in due time.
i am not sure that i expect you or most readers to understand this, but it's actually the answer to your question.

i didn't say anything related to the bold.

LordReed:


If the god is sending human spirits to their final destination why does he need to resurrect their bodies?

Image123:


i'm not sure of what exactly you refer to, can you be more specific with the verse or passage?

LordReed:


Your answers to wirinet do not answer my question which again is how did man interfere with the lion, a carnivore and what is the evidence of this interference. Your answers to wirinet don't clarify how the lion's carnivore nature has been affected nor does it contain evidence for such an interference.

KnownUnknown:


You are in California!!!
Why do you think L Ron Hubbard's spiritual views have gained more ground than Oskar Ernst Bernhardt's.

KnownUnknown:


Do you think Oskar Ernst Bernhardt would be more popular if Tom Cruise adopts his views?

justcool:



Copy my replies to deepsight and wirinet and give someone in your environment and ask the person to find the answers to your questions.

I will not waste time and energy on your assumptions. If you raise any questions about what I actually said then I might clarify, otherwise I won’t.

LordReed:


So there's not going to be a resurrection of dead believers when Jesus supposedly comes back? The great judgement day will not be a resurrection of all?

Image123:


Oh i see, the resurrection is not a resurrection of physical bodies but of spiritual bodies.

1 Corinthians 15:35 But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Those new bodies will be eternal.

LordReed:


So which bodies are the ocean being raised up? And how are the spiritual bodies still on earth while the spirit is with the god?

Image123:


It is changed. i thought you used to read Bible abi na only dance and motivation you dey do for church?

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

No one has spiritual bodies yet until what we call the "rapture".

Dtruthspeaker:


And this is where you learn "what is death?"

Wise people would have told you that death is only when A Creator decides to give death to his creations.

Exactly as no Camry can ever die in the hands of Mr. Toyoda or the iPhone, in the hands of Steve Jobs.



This is where wise people are separate and different from others.

They know that death only comes at the will and pleasure of their Creator.

Therefore, those who befriend their Creator, are likely never to die, exactly as a Camry which Mr. Toyoda loves, will certainly, always live, as long as Mr. Toyoda lives.



All these ending in death.

So death is the worst of all and not tradegies and horrors and I have addressed death, the greatest and highest and most fearful of them all.

So, no case here.

LordReed:


I don't understand. How are the spirits with god without a spirit body? You mean spirits can exist without a spirit body so why do they need a physical body to be changed into a spirit one?

Nevermind what I used to believe, you are gatekeeper general so your own interpretation is the focus here. LoLz.

sotall:


You mean a Toyota Camry gets spoilt or damaged or irreparable when Mr Toyota says it should?

What logic is this?

Does Mr Toyota have the ability to make a Toyota that never gets spoilt?

Or a Toyota that can be driven forever without repair?

Image123:



Lol, the scriptures is not of private interpretation. You know already that i don't have time for fables, i know the Truth and He works.

Ecc 12:7 KJV Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Man is uniquely created tripartite so he has distinct spirit, soul and body. He was given a physical body by God like the passage you already read said. The physical body is what is referred to as "dust" as you know.
At the resurrection, the physical body will be changed to a spiritual body like you have read, in a blink of an eye. It's not a long process, we shall be changed and mortality must put on immortality.

LordReed:


Still haven't answered why the physical body needs to be transformed if the spirit can exist without it.

Also did the soul just disappear?

I know you are gatekeeper general na I already acknowledged that so go on. LoLz.