MaxInDHouse:


The man who translated the KJV to Yorùbá is known as Bishop Àjàyí Crowder, this man did a very good job when it comes to the case of Èṣù but since you don't think it's the same i'll take my leave, i know the eulogy of Èṣù and i can prove that there's no single difference between the spirit called Satan and Èṣù.

There is...
In the story line...but I won't like to go into that...
Am only glad I was able to use the esu analogy to let that guy know who the shasu tribe (Moab and northern edom) are and how they got to relate and stay with the Hebrew in Israel...they both speak variant (dialect) of the semitic languages...he thought the shasu tribe are the hebrew...and wanted to drive home his point that the shasu Yahweh was dsame as the Hebrew Yahweh...
I only used the Yoruba language of esu and the semitic meaning of Gideon during that period to tell show him...
He realised,so he was boxed wen I asked him just a question..."Are the shasu tribe the same as Hebrew people?"
He couldn't say yes or no...he knew if he said yes...I will use evidence to prove his error...and if he said know...he knew I will den proof to him the difference between the Shasu Yahweh and Hebrew Yahweh...
Either way,he knew he was boxed and he was wise to be silent and not answer a yes or no throughout our discussion...

He kept sayEsu is not Satan...I agree with him and I asked him why...he said because of d story line...I also agreed with him...den I explained to him...since the Yahweh of the shasu tribe does not have the same story line of the Yahweh of the Hebrew... would it still be right to say they are the same God/person?...the guy mute...he was box and started all dis his bwahahaha stuff...but I knew he was boxed and I played along.

So,I used the esu as language analogy to box him and he knew I led him on and he was boxed

immaculatesense:

There is...
In the story line...but I won't like to go into that...
Am only glad I was able to use the esu analogy to let that guy know who the shasu tribe (Moab and northern edom) are and how they got to relate and stay with the Hebrew in Israel...they both speak variant (dialect) of the semitic languages...he thought the shasu tribe are the hebrew...and wanted to drive home his point that the shasu Yahweh was dsame as the Hebrew Yahweh...
I only used the Yoruba language of esu and the semitic meaning of Gideon during that period to tell show him...
He realised,so he was boxed wen I asked him just a question..."Are the shasu tribe the same as Hebrew people?"
He couldn't say yes or no...he knew if he said yes...I will use evidence to prove his error...and if he said know...he knew I will den proof to him the difference between the Shasu Yahweh and Hebrew Yahweh...
Either way,he knew he was boxed and he was wise to be silent and not answer a yes or no throughout our discussion...

He kept sayEsu is not Satan...I agree with him and I asked him why...he said because of d story line...I also agreed with him...den I explained to him...since the Yahweh of the shasu tribe does not have the same story line of the Yahweh of the Hebrew... would it still be right to say they are the same God/person?...the guy mute...he was box and started all dis his bwahahaha stuff...but I knew he was boxed and I played along.

So,I used the esu as language analogy to box him and he knew I led him on and he was boxed

Hebrew is a language of the Semitic people. It’s not a tribe.
The god of the Semitic gods is El, one of his sons is Yahweh, and he gave Yahweh the isreal inheritance among his other sons.

Maynman:
Spirit means breathe, any other meaning is delusional.
Exactly, Yahweh portion was given to him by his father.
Y’all are literally worshipping ISRAELITES and ABRAHAMIAC GODS.
God is a title not a person. Bwahahahah

God is both a title and a person
Yahovah is God
God is Yahovah

King of kings and Lord of lords is a title and a person
King of kings and Lord of lords is the Word/Jesus Christ
the Word/Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords

God
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being

immaculatesense:

Dear johnw47
Thank God for technology and phones that had made it possible to read all versions in one app and even manuscripts written in the original languages.
I use all scriptures but I most times quote from the New Living Translation (NLT)

i have remembered that i purchased the NLT many moons ago for my e-sword
but lost it when i installed e-sword onto a new operating system, and forgot about adding the NLT back into it, i have now added NLT to e-sword again

many words can have diffrent meanings, so context is important in translating the meaning of words from diffrent languages

some bible versions have "firstborn" in col 1:15 which doesn't make sense
for example "Christ is the firstborn of all creation for by him all things were created"

^^ all things were created by Christ because Christ is the firstborn of creation < like i said
it doesn't make sense

NLT has "supreme" not "firstborn"
prototokos is from protos which means foremost and chief, so supreme fits

the NLT version does make sense "Christ is supreme over all creation, 
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth"

NLT Col 1:15  Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, 
Col 1:16  for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

immaculatesense:

There is...
In the story line...but I won't like to go into that...
Am only glad I was able to use the esu analogy to let that guy know who the shasu tribe (Moab and northern edom) are and how they got to relate and stay with the Hebrew in Israel...they both speak variant (dialect) of the semitic languages...he thought the shasu tribe are the hebrew...and wanted to drive home his point that the shasu Yahweh was dsame as the Hebrew Yahweh...
I only used the Yoruba language of esu and the semitic meaning of Gideon during that period to tell show him...
He realised,so he was boxed wen I asked him just a question..."Are the shasu tribe the same as Hebrew people?"
He couldn't say yes or no...he knew if he said yes...I will use evidence to prove his error...and if he said know...he knew I will den proof to him the difference between the Shasu Yahweh and Hebrew Yahweh...
Either way,he knew he was boxed and he was wise to be silent and not answer a yes or no throughout our discussion...

He kept sayEsu is not Satan...I agree with him and I asked him why...he said because of d story line...I also agreed with him...den I explained to him...since the Yahweh of the shasu tribe does not have the same story line of the Yahweh of the Hebrew... would it still be right to say they are the same God/person?...the guy mute...he was box and started all dis his bwahahaha stuff...but I knew he was boxed and I played along.

So,I used the esu as language analogy to box him and he knew I led him on and he was boxed

Whenever i remember the day JWs first came to me i always thank God that i never let go of them and each time i pray for them.

Èṣù is the same person as Satan the devil but due to failure of the churches of Christendom to produce fine fruit in the society most people are now going back to their roots with the intention of connecting the true God through those old traditions.
The truth is that all other nations apart from Israel (unknowingly) worships demons back then that's why those demons keep deceiving them.

Where are the Gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome? At least we all heard of Jupiter, please where are they now? Or do people think those Gods are no more?
Well God's word (Bible) revealed where they're now: They have transformed into angels of light! meaning they now bear names that's appealing to people because no sane human will like to worship the Gods of Egypt that were all rendered helpless in the presence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So those Gods now answer new names today {2Corin 11:14} and people are still worshiping them in mass thinking they're worshiping the God of Israel.

How can we unravel this mystery?
Well it's by carefully observing the produce of their religions! Matt 7:16-18

johnw47:


God is both a title and a person
Yahovah is God
God is Yahovah

King of kings and Lord of lords is a title and a person
King of kings and Lord of lords is the Word/Jesus Christ
the Word/Jesus Christ is King of kings and Lord of lords

God
(in Christianity and other monotheistic religions) the creator and ruler of the universe and source of all moral authority; the supreme being

Zeus is also a God.
Allah too, same as Uranus.

MaxInDHouse:


Whenever i remember the day JWs first came to me i always thank God that i never let go of them and each time i pray for them.

Èṣù is the same person as Satan the devil but due to failure of the churches of Christendom to produce fine fruit in the society most people are now going back to their roots with the intention of connecting the true God through those old traditions.
The truth is that all other nations apart from Israel (unknowingly) worships demons back then that's why those demons keep deceiving them.

Where are the Gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome? At least we all heard of Jupiter, please where are they now? Or do people think those Gods are no more?
Well God's word (Bible) revealed where they're now: They have transformed into angels of light! meaning they now bear names that's appealing to people because no sane human will like to worship the Gods of Egypt that were all rendered helpless in the presence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So those Gods now answer new names today {2Corin 11:14} and people are still worshiping them in mass thinking they're worshiping the God of Israel.

How can we unravel this mystery?
Well it's by carefully observing the produce of their religions! Matt 7:16-18

Which particular esu is the Satan?

Maynman:


Zeus is also a God.
Allah too, same as Uranus.

that's besides the point
you said "God is a title not a person"

as far as Yahovah is concerned God is both a title and a person

johnw47:


that's besides the point
you said "God is a title not a person"

as far as Yahovah is concerned God is both a title and a person

God from Greek Theos is a title.
Jehovah is a Theos just like Zeus.
God and Deity means same thing.

Maynman:


God from Greek Theos is a title.
Jehovah is a Theos just like Zeus.
God and Deity means same thing.

so you cannot admit that you were wrong

Maynman:
Spirit means breathe, any other meaning is delusional.
Exactly, Yahweh portion was given to him by his father.
Y’all are literally worshipping ISRAELITES and ABRAHAMIAC GODS.
God is a title not a person. Bwahahahah

johnw47:


so you cannot admit that you were wrong

.

johnw47:


so you cannot admit that you were wrong

GOD IS A TITLE NOT A PERSON

Are you slow?

Maynman:

Which particular esu is the Satan?

So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. Revelations 12:9

From one nation to another Èṣù (Satan) has been pretending to be something different but he will never ever interfere in the way his worshipers deal with one another. If they like they should cheat, steal or murder their fellow adherents Èṣù is less concerned, all he just want from them is acknowledgement otherwise their POLICIES will be ruined.

According to God's word Satan is only interested in one human ruling as God over the other, whatever result from it is their own problem, Satan won't rescue them from the consequences of POLITICS. Genesis 3:1-19

So we walk by faith not by sight {2Corin 5:7} it's the character that matters to us not what Èṣù (Satan the deceiver) says about himself!

MaxInDHouse:


So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. Revelations 12:9

From one nation to another Èṣù (Satan) has been pretending to be something different but he will never ever interfere in the way his worshipers deal with one another. If they like they should cheat, steal or murder their fellow adherents Èṣù is less concerned, all he just want from them is acknowledgement otherwise their POLICIES will be ruined.

According to God's word Satan is only interested in one human ruling as God over the other, whatever result from it is their own problem, Satan won't rescue them from the consequences of POLITICS. Genesis 3:1-19

So we walk by faith not by sight {2Corin 5:7} it's the character that matters to us not what Èṣù (Satan the deceiver) says about himself!

Esu is not Satan.
Cure your ignorance

Maynman:

Esu is not Satan.
Cure your ignorance

Those pagans you're quoting don't know what they're worshiping {John 4:22} but we only try to help them by asking them few questions:

How many Gods do you know?
How many shrines?
Which of them is against prejudice?
Do you have the same line of thought with other adherents?
What happens when there is disputes between two different tribe worshiping Èṣù?


Any right thinking person will know that all your Gods are demons pretending under their commander Satan (Èṣù)

MaxInDHouse:


Those pagans you're quoting don't know what they're worshiping {John 4:22} but we only try to help them by asking them few questions:

How many Gods do you know?
How many shrines?
Which of them is against prejudice?
Do you have the same line of thought with other adherents?
What happens when there is disputes between two different tribe worshiping Èṣù?


Any right thinking person will know that your all your Gods are demons pretending under their commander Satan (Èṣù)

Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance

Maynman:

Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance

Well you can continue quoting those people.
But if truthfully you want to prove the Bible wrong i'm sure you can do so by answering the questions:

MaxInDHouse:

How many Gods do you know?
How many shrines?
Which of them is against prejudice?
Do you have the same line of thought with other adherents?
What happens when there is disputes between two different tribe worshiping Èṣù?

MaxInDHouse:


Well you can continue quoting those people.
But if truthfully you want to prove the Bible wrong i'm sure you can do so by answering the questions:

Esu is not satan, cure your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:


Well you can continue quoting those people.
But if truthfully you want to prove the Bible wrong i'm sure you can do so by answering the questions:

Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance. Worshipper of William Tyndale

MaxInDHouse:


Well you can continue quoting those people.
But if truthfully you want to prove the Bible wrong i'm sure you can do so by answering the questions:

Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:


Well you can continue quoting those people.
But if truthfully you want to prove the Bible wrong i'm sure you can do so by answering the questions:

Esu is not satan, cure your ignorance.

Maynman:


Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance

If you can't answer the questions, try asking those who are more knowledgeable in your religion then come back to me.
Until then farewell!

MaxInDHouse:


If you can't answer the questions, try asking those who are more knowledgeable in your religion then come back to me.
Until then farewell!

Which esu are you talking about?
Cure your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:


If you can't answer the questions, try asking those who are more knowledgeable in your religion then come back to me.
Until then farewell!

Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance

MaxInDHouse:


If you can't answer the questions, try asking those who are more knowledgeable in your religion then come back to me.
Until then farewell!

Esu is not Satan, cure your ignorance euro Christian bwahahahah

Maynman:


Hebrew is a language of the Semitic people. It’s not a tribe.
The god of the Semitic gods is El, one of his sons is Yahweh, and he gave Yahweh the isreal inheritance among his other sons.

Lol... misinterpretation of Deuteronomy 32:8-9
[8]When the Most High assigned lands to the nations,
    when he divided up the human race,
he established the boundaries of the peoples
    according to the number in his heavenly court.
[9]“For the people of Israel belong to the lord;
    Jacob is his special possession.

Let me school you because I av read all this permutations that u stock ur head with...the 70 sons of El according to a Ugaritic text written in later times 12BC after years of the first acient manuscripts and discovered just in 1929...but I will school u...

Have u read this in Psalms 83:18
[18]Then they will learn that you alone are called the lord,
    that you alone are the Most High,
    supreme over all the earth.

Av u seen it...Let me use Hebrew(semitic language family/dialect to break the above text for u...

Psalms 83:18
[18]Then they will learn that you alone are called the lord(YHWH),
    that you alone are the Most High(EL ELYON),
    supreme over all the earth.

Can u now see that Yahweh(noun) also El Elyon(adjective)

I will still interprete Deuteronomy 32:8-9 for u but let me still school u a bit that Yahweh is praised and the same as El Elyon...

Genesis 14:22
[22]Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the lord(YHWH), God Most High(EL ELYON), Creator of heaven and earth,

2 Samuel 22:14
[14]The lord thundered from heaven;
    the voice of the Most High resounded.

There are many more..
I will still interprete Deuteronomy 32:8-9 for u ooo...I av not forgotten...but let me hear wat u will say first about the above.. debunk it or go and brainwash urself with the Ugaritic text
Go on

immaculatesense:

Lol... misinterpretation of Deuteronomy 32:8-9
[8]When the Most High assigned lands to the nations,
    when he divided up the human race,
he established the boundaries of the peoples
    according to the number in his heavenly court.
[9]“For the people of Israel belong to the lord;
    Jacob is his special possession.

Let me school you because I av read all this permutations that u stock ur head with...the 70 sons of El according to a Ugaritic text written in later times 12BC after years of the first acient manuscripts and discovered just in 1929...but I will school u...

Have u read this in Psalms 83:18
[18]Then they will learn that you alone are called the lord,
    that you alone are the Most High,
    supreme over all the earth.

Av u seen it...Let me use Hebrew(semitic language family/dialect to break the above text for u...

Psalms 83:18
[18]Then they will learn that you alone are called the lord(YHWH),
    that you alone are the Most High(EL ELYON),
    supreme over all the earth.

Can u now see that Yahweh(noun) also El Elyon(adjective)

I will still interprete Deuteronomy 32:8-9 for u but let me still school u a bit that Yahweh is praised and the same as El Elyon...

Genesis 14:22
[22]Abram replied to the king of Sodom, “I solemnly swear to the lord(YHWH), God Most High(EL ELYON), Creator of heaven and earth,

2 Samuel 22:14
[14]The lord thundered from heaven;
    the voice of the Most High resounded.

There are many more..
I will still interprete Deuteronomy 32:8-9 for u ooo...I av not forgotten...but let me hear wat u will say first about the above.. debunk it or go and brainwash urself with the Ugaritic text
Go on

Ugartic is one of the earliest language of the Semitic tribe.

johnw47:


i have remembered that i purchased the NLT many moons ago for my e-sword
but lost it when i installed e-sword onto a new operating system, and forgot about adding the NLT back into it, i have now added NLT to e-sword again

many words can have diffrent meanings, so context is important in translating the meaning of words from diffrent languages

some bible versions have "firstborn" in col 1:15 which doesn't make sense
for example "Christ is the firstborn of all creation for by him all things were created"

^^ all things were created by Christ because Christ is the firstborn of creation < like i said
it doesn't make sense

NLT has "supreme" not "firstborn"
prototokos is from protos which means foremost and chief, so supreme fits

the NLT version does make sense "Christ is supreme over all creation, 
for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth"

NLT Col 1:15  Christ is the visible image of the invisible God. He existed before anything was created and is supreme over all creation, 
Col 1:16  for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see—such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him.

Smile...yes I get u...but u were restricting ursef to Colossians 1:15
[15]Christ is the visible image of the invisible God.
    He existed before anything was created and is supreme(prototokos) over all creation,
but I will show u wat ur missing...but ur not doing bad but restricted to just a verse...
I will use the same NLT with u...Proverbs 8:22,25
[22]“The lord FORMED ME from the beginning,
    BEFORE he created anything else.
[25]Before the mountains were formed,
    before the hills, I WAS BORN—

Let's continue...but let me clear the supreme and the firstborn thing use by NLT...note NLT is a version of interpretation and not translation...so,let's go to NLT and check the translation of supreme in Colosians 1:15 and other places in that same NLT wer firstborn was used in other passages of NLT...
The word Firstborn(prototokos)
Proto means first...
Tokos means son(masculine)
This word is also used for child bearing both of animal and man as in NLT Genesis 4:4
[4]Abel also brought a gift—the best portions of the firstborn (prototokos) lambs from his flock. The lord accepted Abel and his gift,

And Exodus 34:19
[19]“The firstborn(prototokos) of every animal belongs to me, including the firstborn males from your herds of cattle and your flocks of sheep and goats.

Now the question to u is can u or NLT substitute firstborn with supreme in both Gensis 4:4 and Exodus 34:19...?
You will agree with me that the emphatic answer is NO...but those are the error of interpretation in versions and that's why u av to compare versions with versions and then know the etymology of the word used in the original manuscripts...NLT shud av used Firstborn like other versions instead of supreme...

Now wat ur curious about is how is just Firstborn?...
His creation or birth was the beginning of all creation that is why he is the beginning and the end...compare John 1:1 with proverb 8:22...
John 1:1
[1]IN THE BEGINNING the Word already existed.
    The Word was with God,
    and the Word was God.
Proverbs 8:22
[22]“The lord formed me FROM THE BEGINNING,
    BEFORE he created anything else.

Compare
John 1:4
[4]The Word gave life to everything that was created,
    and his life brought light to everyone.

And
Proverbs 8:30
[30]I was the architect at his side.
I was his constant delight,
    rejoicing always in his presence.

I am a Pentecostal but I don't agree that the Father is not Superior to the son or different from the son...even the son acknowledge that there are things the Father knows that the son does not know and there are things the Father can do that the son cannot do...and that the Father is greater than the son...READ

Matthew 24:36
[36]“However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.
THE SON DOES NOT KNOW,ONLY THE FATHER KNOWS.

READ be below passage from verse 20 but I will quote verse 23
Matthew 20:23
[23]Jesus told them, “You will indeed drink from my bitter cup. But I have no right to say who will sit on my right or my left. My Father has prepared those places for the ones he has chosen.”
NOTE:
BUT I (JESUS) DO NO HAVE THE RIGHT...MY FATHER HAS..."

READ
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

NOTE:
...THE FATHER,WHO IS GREATER THAN I AM.


SIR,DO U HAVE ANY QUESTION?

Maynman:


Ugartic is one of the earliest language of the Semitic tribe.

Thank God u escaped by saying ONE OF the earliest because under the semitic language tree is West and East semitic...under the west semitic is northwest semitic languages in which under we av Amorite, Ugaritic, Canaanite language (extinct Hebrew) and Aramaic language...
The Old testament Bible was written with Canaanite language and Aramaic language...so,u don't av proof to say the Ugaritic language predates the Aramaic or Canaanite dialect of the semitic languages.


Go on...am listening

immaculatesense:

Thank God u escaped by saying ONE OF the earliest because under the semitic language tree is West and East semitic...under the west semitic is northwest semitic languages in which under we av Amorite, Ugaritic, Canaanite language (extinct Hebrew) and Aramaic language...
The Old testament Bible was written with Canaanite language and Aramaic language...so,u don't av proof to say the Ugaritic language predates the Aramaic or Canaanite dialect of the semitic languages.


Go on...am listening

Old Testament was written in paleo Hebrew different from the Hebrew we have now.
There’s nothing like “cannanite language”. Aramaic is also a cannanite language.
Aramaic language is from Semitic tribe.
Of course Ugarit predates Aramaic language

See why I said your ignorance is glaring?

MaxInDHouse:


Whenever i remember the day JWs first came to me i always thank God that i never let go of them and each time i pray for them.

Èṣù is the same person as Satan the devil but due to failure of the churches of Christendom to produce fine fruit in the society most people are now going back to their roots with the intention of connecting the true God through those old traditions.
The truth is that all other nations apart from Israel (unknowingly) worships demons back then that's why those demons keep deceiving them.

Where are the Gods of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome? At least we all heard of Jupiter, please where are they now? Or do people think those Gods are no more?
Well God's word (Bible) revealed where they're now: They have transformed into angels of light! meaning they now bear names that's appealing to people because no sane human will like to worship the Gods of Egypt that were all rendered helpless in the presence of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
So those Gods now answer new names today {2Corin 11:14} and people are still worshiping them in mass thinking they're worshiping the God of Israel.

How can we unravel this mystery?
Well it's by carefully observing the produce of their religions! Matt 7:16-18

I believe we av settled this issue...I am Pentecostal by fellowship but I am a believer by wat matters which is serving God(YHWH EL ELYON) through Christ,the acceptable means John 14:6...anyone that does this is safe and saved...
No denomination or sect should or can lay claim to Monopoly of God's knowledge or service or acceptability...not Catholic,not Pentecostal,not Methodist,not Baptist,not Orthodox churches,not Jehovah's witnesses...no one...Christ will select his elect ones from all the nook and cranny of the world irrespective of tongue,nation or denomination.
Take this Home

Maynman:


Old Testament was written in paleo Hebrew different from the Hebrew we have now.
There’s nothing like “cannanite language”. Aramaic is also a cannanite language.
Aramaic language is from Semitic tribe.
Of course Ugarit predates Aramaic language

See why I said your ignorance is glaring?

Lol...I am very polite but u don't research or know enough...notin like Canaanite language?... Aramaic language from semitic tribe...is not all of then from semitic tribe? Is Arabic language not also from semitic tribe?...do u even know anything?...av u even seen the semitic languages family tree before?...or are u just reading anyhow?...I thought ur wiser than dis...but ur still loading but pretty too slow