raumdeuter:


This part in bold, who does it benefit?

Nigga is complaining about delegates chopping Atiku's dollars. Meanwhile Obi witnessed Atiku sharing money before and in 2019, but never complained because he was benefiting from the doings.
The most foolish people are people who believe a politician that has been in the system isn't corrupt. They'll tell you that you should choose lesser evil. Evil is evil.

Elder0001:


Nigga is complaining about delegates chopping Atiku's dollars. Meanwhile Obi witnessed Atiku sharing money before and in 2019, but never complained because he was benefiting from the doings.
The most foolish people are people who believe a politician that has been in the system isn't corrupt. They'll tell you that you should choose lesser evil. Evil is evil.

Unless those who want to be idealistic, There is no one who is involved in politics whose wealth will be clean. He would have benefitted from govt one way or the other. Its not limited to Nigeria, It happens everywhere.

So tagging one thief and one saint is foolish. Maybe you will now start saying A stole 10billion, B stole 100M so B is better. Then consider what opportunity he has. If B is exposed to the money A is exposed to, will he only steal 100M?

raumdeuter:


Unless those who want to be idealistic, There is no one who is involved in politics whose wealth will be clean. He would have benefitted from govt one way or the other. Its not limited to Nigeria, It happens everywhere.

So tagging one thief and one saint is foolish. Maybe you will now start saying A stole 10billion, B stole 100M so B is better. Then consider what opportunity he has. If B is exposed to the money A is exposed to, will he only steam 100M?

Your analogy is so apt. A thief is a thief, doesn't matter if he stole only 1m.
Dude couldn't loot much simply because Anambra doesn't have much funds to loot in the first place. If na rivers state, delta or lagos he govern we for no dey hear these noises because he for loot wototo.

Elder0001:


Nigga is complaining about delegates chopping Atiku's dollars. Meanwhile Obi witnessed Atiku sharing money before and in 2019, but never complained because he was benefiting from the doings.
The most foolish people are people who believe a politician that has been in the system isn't corrupt. They'll tell you that you should choose lesser evil. Evil is evil.

Foolish is harsh, they are delusional. The reality is, most of them truly believe PO has the magic wand that the "quintessential" politicians lack and that he can re-canvass Nigeria with a wave of that wand. But just like you and many others have pointed out, PO is from the same stock. In fact, I dismiss anyone who tries to present him as different.

Another thing is, even if by some miracle he wins the presidential elections, nobody has been prophetic enough to explain how he can galvanize the legislature to buy into his objectives. The most deluded of them will retort that he did same in Anambra but when you prod further, it is usually wishy-washy stuff.

I know who you support but I cannot see beyond another APC presidency. If BAT lives long enough to the main elections, he will be Nigeria's next president. He will be a better president than Buhari and GEJ as well. While Buhari does have some integrity, he is unstrategic and sometimes too archaic in his disposition. Jonathan on the other hand, is by far, the worst president in recent history. He is the major reason, PDP may never produce another president.

Android22:
Foolish is harsh, they are delusional. The reality is, most of them truly believe PO has the magic wand that the "quintessential" politicians lack and that he can re-canvass Nigeria with a wave of that wand. But just like you and many others have pointed out, PO is from the same stock. In fact, I dismiss anyone who tries to present him as different.

Another thing is, even if by some miracle he wins the presidential elections, nobody has been prophetic enough to explain how he can galvanize the legislature to buy into his objectives. The most deluded of them will retort that he did same in Anambra but when you prod further, it is usually wishy-washy stuff.

I know who you support but I cannot see beyond another APC presidency. If BAT lives long enough to the main elections, he will be Nigeria's next president. He will be a better president than Buhari and GEJ as well. While Buhari does have some integrity, he is unstrategic and sometimes too archaic in his disposition. Jonathan on the other hand, is by far, the worst president in recent history. He is the major reason, PDP may never produce another president.

Jonathan is the worst president in recent history. - Android22

I believe you're just catching cruise...

Irrespective of what GEJ did, man is still 100 times better than this efulefu called Buhari. Facts don't lie.

Elder0001:


Jonathan is the worst president in recent history. - Android22

I believe you're just catching cruise...

Not at all. No Nigerian president in recent history has frittered away the goodwill he initially enjoyed by the majority whilst also destroying the opportunity to have taken Nigeria forward.

Apc? NEVER AGAIN!

Apc can't win a free and fair election anywhere in Nigeria. They won in ekiti few days ago not because of rigging, but because of vote buying.

Next year's General elections will be won by whoever spends more.

Android22:
Foolish is harsh, they are delusional. The reality is, most of them truly believe PO has the magic wand that the "quintessential" politicians lack and that he can re-canvass Nigeria with a wave of that wand. But just like you and many others have pointed out, PO is from the same stock. In fact, I dismiss anyone who tries to present him as different.

Another thing is, even if by some miracle he wins the presidential elections, nobody has been prophetic enough to explain how he can galvanize the legislature to buy into his objectives. The most deluded of them will retort that he did same in Anambra but when you prod further, it is usually wishy-washy stuff.

I know who you support but I cannot see beyond another APC presidency. If BAT lives long enough to the main elections, he will be Nigeria's next president. He will be a better president than Buhari and GEJ as well. While Buhari does have some integrity, he is unstrategic and sometimes too archaic in his disposition. Jonathan on the other hand, is by far, the worst president in recent history. He is the major reason, PDP may never produce another president.

Well, I will leave them to their world and let them believe and hope. A man without hope is dead

I believe Atiku and Tinubu are very similar and both will do well. I have Tinubu as my first choice. Buhari is not realistic politician as well, He thinks this is 1984 when you can just make a decree and everyone will fall in line. His first term is to fight legislative arm. Even the war on terror/Insecurity his methods did not bear much fruit and should have changed strategy.

Tinubu is not a military man, he will always seek the negotiation path first. He believes in finding a practical solution than seeking ideal solutions

An example is the Niger Delta militant that rocked the country in OBJ and YarAdua regime. An idealistic person will say why are you giving terrorist militants amnesty, but that amnesty has brought some level of stability to the region. I believe that strategy can be used for ESN and even bandits. In every movement there are always ideologues who believe in the ideology but most are just opportunists who are looking for what to eat. Engage the second group and they will conquer the first group for you. In Niger Delta there are some who legit believed in the struggle but most of them after some oil contract and security contract, they are now flying in jets, sending their kids on vacation they see the difference between fighting inside creek and flying in private jets

Elder0001:
Apc? NEVER AGAIN!

Apc can't win a free and fair election anywhere in Nigeria. They won in ekiti few days ago not because of rigging, but because of vote buying.

Next year's General elections will be won by whoever spends more.

There has not been any election in Nigeria won by any party whether PDP APC or APGA that there has not been rigging or vote buying.

In the same Ekiti under Jonathan in 2014 we saw how election was militarized where all the opposition politicians were detained

In this same Ekiti election in 2009 under PDP an INEC Resident electoral commissioner Mrs Ayoka Adebayo was declared wanted and she went into hiding under PDP when she refused to play ball

Android22:
Foolish is harsh, they are delusional. The reality is, most of them truly believe PO has the magic wand that the "quintessential" politicians lack and that he can re-canvass Nigeria with a wave of that wand. But just like you and many others have pointed out, PO is from the same stock. In fact, I dismiss anyone who tries to present him as different.

Another thing is, even if by some miracle he wins the presidential elections, nobody has been prophetic enough to explain how he can galvanize the legislature to buy into his objectives. The most deluded of them will retort that he did same in Anambra but when you prod further, it is usually wishy-washy stuff.

I know who you support but I cannot see beyond another APC presidency. If BAT lives long enough to the main elections, he will be Nigeria's next president. He will be a better president than Buhari and GEJ as well. While Buhari does have some integrity, he is unstrategic and sometimes too archaic in his disposition. Jonathan on the other hand, is by far, the worst president in recent history. He is the major reason, PDP may never produce another president.

Thrash

GEJ was the worst president but under the APC govt your Lord brought into power;

Gas is 10,000 for 12.5kg.

ASUU has been on strike for over 4 months.

The long Fuel Queues are back.

Dollar is N600+

Power supply is at the absolute worst in years.

Corruption is at its all time peak with billions being stolen.....

But people wanting something different from PDP and the change scammers are delusional,Are you people not wicked like this?

I see maybe the hate for obi is maybe because he is Igbo but another politician who has "foolish and delusional" online supporters and noisemakers is SEYI MAKINDE,will this be same if he was up against your LORD seeing that he is cut from the same Nigeria politicians who are corrupt,not a saint and has not turned IBADAN TO DUBAI....

raumdeuter:


There has not been any election in Nigeria won by any party whether PDP APC or APGA that there has not been rigging or vote buying.

In the same Ekiti under Jonathan in 2014 we saw how election was militarized where all the opposition politicians were detained

In this same Ekiti election in 2009 under PDP an INEC Resident electoral commissioner Mrs Ayoka Adebayo was declared wanted and she went into hiding under PDP when she refused to play ball

Rigging will be greatly curtailed next year because of the new electoral law. However, vote buying will be the order of the day.
The party with the biggest financial warchest will carry the day. This is why Peter obi can't win.
A stingy man can't go far in Nigerian politics.

Kloppo22:


Thrash

GEJ was the worst president but under the APC govt your Lord brought into power;

Gas is 10,000 for 12.5kg.

ASUU has been on strike for over 4 months.

The long Fuel Queues are back.

Dollar is N600+

Power supply is at the absolute worst in years.

Corruption is at its all time peak with billions being stolen.....

But people wanting something from are delusional,Are you people not wicked like this?

I see maybe the hate for obi is maybe because he is Igbo but another politician who has "foolish and delusional" online supporters and noisemakers is SEYI MAKINDE,will this be same if he was up against your LORD seeing that he is cut from the same Nigeria politicians who are corrupt,not a saint and has not turned IBADAN TO DUBAI....

12kg wey we dey fill 3800 before.
Android22 dey catch cruise. Na smalls

raumdeuter:


Well, I will leave them to their world and let them believe and hope. A man without hope is dead

I believe Atiku and Tinubu are very similar and both will do well. I have Tinubu as my first choice. Buhari is not realistic politician as well, He thinks this is 1984 when you can just make a decree and everyone will fall in line. His first term is to fight legislative arm. Even the war on terror/Insecurity his methods did not bear much fruit and should have changed strategy.

Tinubu is not a military man, he will always seek the negotiation path first. He believes in finding a practical solution than seeking ideal solutions

An example is the Niger Delta militant that rocked the country in OBJ and YarAdua regime. An idealistic person will say why are you giving terrorist militants amnesty, but that amnesty has brought some level of stability to the region. I believe that strategy can be used for ESN and even bandits. In every movement there are always ideologues who believe in the ideology but most are just opportunists who are looking for what to eat. Engage the second group and they will conquer the first group for you. In Niger Delta there are some who legit believed in the struggle but most of them after some oil contract and security contract, they are now flying in jets, sending their kids on vacation they see the difference between fighting inside creek and flying in private jets

You are right, Buhari is inflexible. But it was not fighting the legislative arm that kick-started his failure but his lack of a fight is what did. He let indiscipline in APC fester, could not call the warring factions for negotiations and let people think that indiscipline will go unchecked. This is part of where BAT is far and ahead above both other main candidates.

raumdeuter:


There has not been any election in Nigeria won by any party whether PDP APC or APGA that there has not been rigging or vote buying.

In the same Ekiti under Jonathan in 2014 we saw how election was militarized where all the opposition politicians were detained

In this same Ekiti election in 2009 under PDP an INEC Resident electoral commissioner Mrs Ayoka Adebayo was declared wanted and she went into hiding under PDP when she refused to play ball

Even in Rivers state. The way Mbu could treat the sitting governor and how Wike was allowed to roam wild. A lot of the commenters here are just emotional and forgetful.

Elder0001:


12kg wey we dey fill 3800 before.
Android22 dey catch cruise. Na smalls

He gets his gas filled for free,there is 24/7 light in his area which APC promised,he buys rice now cheaper than during gej,can only be the reason for his cruise...

Kloppo22:


Thrash

GEJ was the worst president but under the APC govt your Lord brought into power;

Gas is 10,000 for 12.5kg.

ASUU has been on strike for over 4 months.

The long Fuel Queues are back.

Dollar is N600+

Power supply is at the absolute worst in years.

Corruption is at its all time peak with billions being stolen.....

But people wanting something different from PDP and the change scammers are delusional,Are you people not wicked like this?

I see maybe the hate for obi is maybe because he is Igbo but another politician who has "foolish and delusional" online supporters and noisemakers is SEYI MAKINDE,will this be same if he was up against your LORD seeing that he is cut from the same Nigeria politicians who are corrupt,not a saint and has not turned IBADAN TO DUBAI....

Okay, now that you have blown off steam can you respond to these queries?

1. What fiscal policies did Buhari fail to take will you say is responsible for the huge change in cost in some of those items listed?
2. Did ASUU strike for extended periods under GEJ?
3. Did Nigeria experience queues to purchase petroleum products under GEJ?
4. Can Buhari influence the exchange rate of the USD and how did that same exchange rate thrive under GEJ?
5. Are more billions missing today than under GEJ?

Android22:
Okay, now that you have blown off steam can you respond to these queries?

1. What fiscal policies did Buhari fail to take will you say is responsible for the huge change in cost in some of those items listed?
2. Did ASUU strike for extended periods under GEJ?
3. Did Nigeria experience queues to purchase petroleum products under GEJ?
4. Can Buhari influence the exchange rate of the USD and how did that same exchange rate thrive under GEJ?
5. Are more billions missing today than under GEJ?

Lool.....what was the CHANGE CAMPAIGN and PROMISES IN 2014 THEN FOR?
Is that not what bought neutrals and fence sitters over thenclaiming they were different from PDP...

They have now become morality police,claiming online noisemakers for obi are vile,resort to personal attacks....

This was what they were doing to GEJ and PDP then

raumdeuter:


This part in bold, who does it benefit?

It is more of tribal sentiment,the PDP ticket was supposed to be zoned to the south or even further to the SE. Umahi said something about this when he left PDP for APC, PDP never had any plans for igbos.

Peter Obi is the best shot,the most qualified Igbo politician ever,if he can't win then which other Igbo politician can? Rochas that got zero votes during APC primaries? OUK that is doing boyboy for Ahmad Lawan or Obiano that I won't even vote for? Peter Obi is the only one that can draw support from other region yet he wasn't even in contention for PDP ticket,a party we have been loyal to for decades,omo we go watch PDP burn to ground even if it is just to make a statement.

Now that buhari couldn't defeat bokoharam or stop insecurity,he is now a military man but said this abt GEJ then

Supporters of Labour Party are waiting to say "Well we tried but our votes didn't count" after the elections when all their Party Offices are on Facebook and their polling units are on Twitter.

Elder0001:


Leave the dumbo. The kind of political analysis I see some people doing on this site makes me wonder if something is wrong with their brain. Very delusional and unrealistic.

Maybe they're just catching cruise sha

You keep using the word delusional meanwhile you might just be suffering from it. You are not Igbo,you don't stay in the SE yet you are loud about something you don't know anything about.

You think your Atiku will win SE next year, imagine the audacity. The thousands of people in the SE standing under the sun for hours just to get their PVC are doing so to vote Atiku. The thousands of youths currently protesting at inec office enugu desperately need their voters card for the first time because they want to vote their darling Atiku. Individuals are spending their personal funds to facilitate registration process are doing it for Atiku.

The most loved Igbo politician is in the race but igbos will vote Atiku, Nnamdi from Nnewi will leave Peter Obi to vote for Atiku because of the umbrella logo of PDP.

If your Atiku is wise then he should focus on winning back his region (NE) from APC which he shamelessly lost to Buhari. Someone that couldn't win his region yet him wan statpad with Southeast votes because igbos are mumus that don't have sense abi.

Bomboiy:


You keep using the word delusional meanwhile you might just be suffering from it. You are not Igbo,you don't stay in the SE yet you are loud about something you don't know anything about.

You think your Atiku will win SE next year, imagine the audacity. The thousands of people in the SE standing under the sun for hours just to get their PVC are doing so to vote Atiku. The thousands of youths currently protesting at inec office enugu desperately need their voters card for the first time because they want to vote their darling Atiku. Individuals are spending their personal funds to facilitate registration process are doing it for Atiku.

The most loved Igbo politician is in the race but igbos will vote Atiku, Nnamdi from Nnewi will leave Peter Obi to vote for Atiku because of the umbrella logo of PDP.

If your Atiku is wise then he should focus on winning back his region (NE) from APC which he shamelessly lost to Buhari. Someone that couldn't win his region yet him wan statpad with Southeast votes because igbos are mumus that don't have sense abi.

OK.

Kloppo22:
Now that buhari couldn't defeat bokoharam or stop insecurity,he is now a military man but said this abt GEJ then

Omoh most of them are hypocrites...Someone will see this state we are now in, when unemployment, corruption, inflation and insecurity has increased a thousand fold and come here to promote the Man that brought forward the idiot buhari and whose boys are in key positions in this failed government as a solution to our leadership problem... Shame

Kloppo22:
They have now become morality police,claiming online noisemakers for obi are vile,resort to personal attacks....

This was what they were doing to GEJ and PDP then

In all of these did I insult you?

raumdeuter:


Unless those who want to be idealistic, There is no one who is involved in politics whose wealth will be clean. He would have benefitted from govt one way or the other. Its not limited to Nigeria, It happens everywhere.

So tagging one thief and one saint is foolish. Maybe you will now start saying A stole 10billion, B stole 100M so B is better. Then consider what opportunity he has. If B is exposed to the money A is exposed to, will he only steal 100M?

Of course every politician is a thief but every thief no be the same. Like Peter Obi said "When you take 1billion that is greed, when you take 80billion that is sickness"

Person like Okowa is owing pensioners,wike was splashing dollars on delegates while owing pensioners. Nobody is a saint but some people are evil.

Kloppo22:
Now that buhari couldn't defeat bokoharam or stop insecurity,he is now a military man but said this abt GEJ then

Its obvious the menace of BokoHaram has reduced from what it used to be in Jonathan times when the whole NE was overran. Now BokoHaram has been replaced by other threats like Herdsmen, bandits and UGM

Elder0001:


Rigging will be greatly curtailed next year because of the new electoral law. However, vote buying will be the order of the day.
The party with the biggest financial warchest will carry the day. This is why Peter obi can't win.
A stingy man can't go far in Nigerian politics.

Android22:
Even in Rivers state. The way Mbu could treat the sitting governor and how Wike was allowed to roam wild. A lot of the commenters here are just emotional and forgetful.

There are many ways of manipulating elections

Rigging by changing figures with INEC is one, Vote buying is anther, using military to intimidate voters is another

Kloppo22:


Lool.....what was the CHANGE CAMPAIGN and PROMISES IN 2014 THEN FOR?
Is that not what bought neutrals and fence sitters over thenclaiming they were different from PDP...

So after blowing steam, no more substance abi? No more hot air.

Thanks

Android22:
You are right, Buhari is inflexible. But it was not fighting the legislative arm that kick-started his failure but his lack of a fight is what did. He let indiscipline in APC fester, could not call the warring factions for negotiations and let people think that indiscipline will go unchecked. This is part of where BAT is far and ahead above both other main candidates.

It was obvious Buhari is not an administrator and cannot gather people to do things. He only want to give orders and get them done. He got there and didnt know how to handle people who wont just take orders from him

raumdeuter:


It was obvious Buhari is not an administrator and cannot gather people to do things. He only want to give orders and get them done. He got there and didnt know how to handle people who wont just take orders from him

Or he simply did his typical I belong to nobody etc lines. Saraki and Dogara would have towed the party line in PDP but Buhari let them do as they pleased. It came back to bite him as they wasted his first term effectively whilst carrying out political suicide on themselves.