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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Emmynator(m): 10:26pm On Jun 22, 2022
raumdeuter:


1. Tinubu health challenge, what we know is that he went for a knee surgery recently but given his activity and movement in the last 2-3 months meeting delegates, campaigning and travelling, does that seem like a man who has a bigger health challenge than the other candidates? His age has nothing to do with governance, Most of the top countries in the world have presidents who re around 70yrs old. Presidency tests your administration ability which is where Tinubu has excelled as an administrator. He was able to gather the best brains to deliver in Lagos

2. Tinubus corruption allegation. In politics no one is sparkling clean and that includes Tinubu, There is no politician that if we shine enough light on him we wont find where he did some shady things while in govt to benefit or circumvent the law. If Tinubu's corruption claims are so egregious, he has been Nigerias main opposition for several years and no one could pin anything to him. His house is a Mecca where all the foreign ambassadors visit to pay homage. What exactly has he stolen that can be proven and taken to court to prosecute him. Let me know

3. I think Tinubu will handle the economy better than anyone. The only person who can rival Tinubu on economy is Atiku Abubakar. Handling the the economy and even leadership is about delegating the right people into position. A president does not need to be a Nobel prize winner in Economics to fix the economy, its simply appointing right people in the position. This is where Tinubu and Atiku have excelled in the past. Tinubus economic template for Lagos has seen the state become a destination of choice for many Nigerians and non Nigerians

4. The main problem of Nigeria is an ailing economy that does not provide enough employment opportunity which is why youths from every state flood to Lagos to get a means of livelihood, others resort to crime. One example, We have a problem of insecurity which has made over half of the country unlivable there are youths seeking forms to join the military but bottlenecks in admission is frustrating many of them. The process to either join NDA, Police Force or even Short service is as tough as getting a visa. The country is definitely under policed, If govt remove the bottle neck in hiring security personnel. that will on ne hand provide jobs and on the other hand improve security by getting unemployed youths off the street then engaging them in productive nation building ventures

I dont think Obi is the most qualified, Of the 3. I think Tinubu is the most qualified followed by Atiku then Obi
1. You are right about age having nothing to do with governance, but I think health concerns are valid, as Buhari spent a lot of time out on medical trips, which may have affected his government negatively. On this, maybe we would have to wait till medical reports of the candidates are out (if at all it will be released).
2. A lot of politicians haven't been prosecuted yet and it is true that politicians often have skeletons in their closet, even Peter Obi has a 250M scandal, I wouldn't want to go in talks of big evil and small evil, but I believe Peter Obi is better than Tinubu and Atiku in terms of corruption.
3. I think Tinubu's Lagos state performance is skewed in his favor because Lagos is a mega city. You are dismissing Obi's economic prowess, Obi was special adviser to GEJ on finance (if I am not mistaken), while you are right about delegating, it will serve better if the leader has affinity for that area.
4. You must have seen the video of Tinubu talking about recruiting 50m youths into the army and feeding them with corn grin I can't respond much on these points, since they are not official campaigns manifestos or ideas coming from Tinubu himself.

Obi is younger, has good track records with Anambra state, has less corruption stains, and is very relatable, yet he ranks third on your list, I am curious to know what your criteria are.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Emmynator(m): 10:31pm On Jun 22, 2022
donjazet:


He's the wrongest person to ask this question.
I implore you to leave these people abroad to their devices.
Both of us are here in Nigeria and care very much about our country and the future of our country and our children unborn.

Those abroad have clearly told us that nothing will ever work. That we should stop hoping on Nigeria.

To them we are just numbers on a board. Political numbers for addition and subtraction just for their viewing pleasure and attention. They don't care about us here so just leave them out of it.

Whatever opinion they have doesn't come from a place of care, concern or apprehension but from selfish indulgences and viewing pleasure. It's all a game for them.
Pay no heed to them.

Calm down, he offered to answer questions on Tinubu's presidency, and I took him up on his offer, I couldn't care less where he is based, as long as he is a Nigerian, I wouldn't want to go into forecasting people's motive for supporting who they support, I would only listen to the arguments they make.
If he was in support of your candidate, would you still hold the same opinion? Or you believe Nigerians in diaspora in general are not valid people to have Nigerian discussions with irrespective of their choice of candidates?

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by donjazet(m): 12:44am On Jun 23, 2022
Emmynator:


Calm down, he offered to answer questions on Tinubu's presidency, and I took him up on his offer, I couldn't care less where he is based, as long as he is a Nigerian, I wouldn't want to go into forecasting people's motive for supporting who they support, I would only listen to the arguments they make.
If he was in support of your candidate, would you still hold the same opinion? Or you believe Nigerians in diaspora in general are not valid people to have Nigerian discussions with irrespective of their choice of candidates?

When these particular people abroad tell you plainly, NIGERIA WILL NEVER WORK! That, in and of itself is an indictment of their mentality.

Listen bro, when both of us discuss or argue politics, it's very different from us arguing football because we recognize we are talking about issues that affect our lives directly. We are arguing who is the best leader to position that would enact favorable economic policies, policies that would assuage the effects of inflation, policies that would enable the revival of industries that would create better employment opportunities.
Policies that would enable increasing our power supply. All of us desperately want to start having steady power supply, just like South Africa, Egypt, Ghana etc.
When we argue politics, we are talking about our very own lives. It's definitely a different feel for those who are far detached from this reality and these people who look down terribly on those still in their motherland.

But furthermore let us look at the history of this individual so that you can judge for yourself if this person is in the right frame of mind to make a balanced and unbiased view of this situation and most importantly, where his opinions stem from.

Day1. This person makes a mockery of us and laughs us in the face as to how our leaders are wasting our money and how we are powerless and hopeless to do anything about it.
Day2: this person starts shouting japa! immediately after a horrific national tragedy, telling us that all hope is lost for our country! He actively denigrates those who wish to stay back and fight for their future here.

Day3: This person advocates for a clearly corrupt, frail and incapable aspirant to rule a nation of 200 million. Note, this is the same candidate with which he brazenly mocked us with. This is the same candidate which he acknowledges is brazenly corrupt.

And the last non-shocker, this is a person with a renowned hate towards an entire tribe. See below a post made as far back as 2016. See where he insults the whole Igbo tribe and specifically mentions peter obi. So you can see that the hatred for this candidate and his tribe is not today. This person can never be objective. He's not qualified to discuss issues of our lives right after spewing these things.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 1:36am On Jun 23, 2022
Emmynator:

1. You are right about age having nothing to do with governance, but I think health concerns are valid, as Buhari spent a lot of time out on medical trips, which may have affected his government negatively. On this, maybe we would have to wait till medical reports of the candidates are out (if at all it will be released).
2. A lot of politicians haven't been prosecuted yet and it is true that politicians often have skeletons in their closet, even Peter Obi has a 250M scandal, I wouldn't want to go in talks of big evil and small evil, but I believe Peter Obi is better than Tinubu and Atiku in terms of corruption.
3. I think Tinubu's Lagos state performance is skewed in his favor because Lagos is a mega city. You are dismissing Obi's economic prowess, Obi was special adviser to GEJ on finance (if I am not mistaken), while you are right about delegating, it will serve better if the leader has affinity for that area.
4. You must have seen the video of Tinubu talking about recruiting 50m youths into the army and feeding them with corn grin I can't respond much on these points, since they are not official campaigns manifestos or ideas coming from Tinubu himself.

Obi is younger, has good track records with Anambra state, has less corruption stains, and is very relatable, yet he ranks third on your list, I am curious to know what your criteria are.

1. Tinubu has never had any issues with his health beyond the surgery he has on his knees recently. His activity in recent times has actually shown he is quite healthy and strong, The rigors of campaigning and meeting, plus the delegate and primaries yet he is travelling everywhere till date while many of the younger men are sitting in one corner waiting for Buhari to anoint them

2. You have just admitted that all 3 are corrupt to varying degree. Nothing has shown that Obi is better than Tinubu in terms of corruption. All 3 top aspirants have had corruption allegations on them none of them was convicted. All we can do is speculate and insinuate

3. While Lagos had some advantage, I believe many states too had their own advantages which was squandered. For example We have many coastal state which have a coastline and are oil rich, all of them get significant money from the 13% derivation fund which is higher than what Lagos gets in allocation. What have they all made their state into? Nothing. The mega city Lagos is was some peoples idea and was carefully nurtured to what we have today. Without a plan we wont have a Lagos we see today. Anambra for example has one of the biggest markets in West Africa, Akwa Ibom has oil, What happened to the Tinapa billion dollar project that Donald Duke spent a lot on? The only thing shown is that there is no amount of goodwill that cannot be wasted. What exactly is this Obis economic prowess?, Its not like he is a renowned economist like Pat Utomi. Actually Tinubu is a trained accountant and worked with world class organizations. Where did Obi work and dealt with modern economic models? You also don't need to be an economist to assemble a team, Nigeria experienced a slightly good economic growth under OBJ a military man, who delegated to his vice Atiku a custom man. None of these had formal trainings in Economy but they were able to assemble brilliant minds

4. Recruiting 50K youths into the military is a brilliant idea for a country dealing with insecurity and have an army of unemployed youths. There are many youths willing to join the military but the bottlenecks to join are enormous. We have a security problem. No one will solve it for us, Only Nigerians can solve Nigerias problem

Obi has never shown the type of administrative abilities that Atiku and Tinubu showed at their former posts as VP and Lagos governor. Anambra was his platform to show what he can do. Tinubus legacies are there in Lagos till date. It has made Lagos our favourite place to go to for all youths seeking a better life. Anambra after Obi has become a work free Monday state

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 6:42am On Jun 23, 2022
raumdeuter:


What is the fact? I think Obi will win some SE states and even if he keeps up the momentum might sweep the entire SE, Any Senatorial candidate under LP fit even enjoy out of the Obi movement
Egbon, Peter obi no go win more than one state.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 6:51am On Jun 23, 2022
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Bomboiy: 11:33am On Jun 23, 2022
Emmynator:

Good evening boss, I am currently neutral and I am yet to pick a candidate, but I am currently leaning towards Obi.
My questions.
1. How do you respond to questions of Tinubu's health challenge?
2. How do you respond to questions of Tinubu's corruption? Do you give a know "thief" a bigger platform to steal?
3. Do you think Tinubu will handle our economy better than Obi (it seems this is Obi's strongest point)?
4. What reforms is Tinubu poise to make that will better the country?

Aside the question of if Obi "will" win or not, do you think Obi is the most qualified of the three candidates?

First of all if you want to pick a candidate do a little research on your own,most people will only say things that will favour their candidate.

That being said,there is no good thing about Tinubu's style of government; "Chop make I Chop" A system that empowers criminals and agberos,there's a reason why corrupt politicians are loyal to him,you think the likes of Amosun,Fayemi, Akpabio that stepped down for him during the primaries did it for nothing? They are hoping he will win so that the corrupt practices will continue.

Recently there have been allegations of how commercial drivers in Lagos State are forced to pay as much as 20k for Tinubu campaign sticker, while Tinubu might not be aware of it, that is a testament of the system he created. A system where anybody can just embezzle public funds without any atom of difficulty. Lagos State generate as much 120b from commercial drivers Yearly,how much dey reach Sanwolu hand? People like MC Oluomo and Koko Samba are living large, sleeping with Lagos based actress, and training their children abroad while the poor drivers pay through the teeth.


You leaning towards Obi is the best decision you can make regarding next year's election,I am not saying that obi is the best candidate to rule Nigeria but among the front-runners Peter Obi is your best bet. He is the only one that can rule a country with a debt of more than 30 trillion. He is the least corrupt one, that is why most politicians hate him, even if PDP primaries was zoned to Anambra state Obi might lose because he will never succumb to dashing dollars to delegates for votes.


Peter Obi believes in production for consumption,he didn't borrow one naira as governor of Anambra state,go and verify. Peter Obi believes in building the country,he never traveled abroad for medical reasons when he was the governor of Anambra,he was using waterside hospital onitsha which he developed to be one of the best hospitals in the southeast at that time.


The only reason you should vote Tinubu or Atiku is if you are a politician that stands to gain from their government or if you are a delegate that collected their dollars. But if you are a concerned Nigerian that has never benefitted from corruption then you should go for Obi.


Lastly,I think you should read the article on Bloomberg concerning Tinubu and Atiku corruption cases. You definitely don't want that kind of president after eight years of Buhari.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 1:22pm On Jun 23, 2022
I've noticed that a lot of Peter Obi supporters have been going all over the place tagging Tinubu and Atiku as corrupt. I hope y'all know that no court of law has indicted them for corruption or declared them as corrupt?

If they sue you for defamation, will you be able to prove in court that they're corrupt?

You guys are just lucky that Atiku and Tinubu don't have time for irrelevant noise makers like yourselves.

Campaign for your candidates without dropping unprovable bs about other candidates make you no go land for trouble for one day.
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 1:29pm On Jun 23, 2022
Can this news be true?

https://www.nairaland.com/7192749/ike-ekweremadu-wife-beatrice-charged

Ekweremadu and wife arrested in London for organ trafficking or na mixup n the name. Is this the same Ekweremadu giving interviews about Obi candidacy a few days ago

Dontbullshitme
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 1:33pm On Jun 23, 2022
raumdeuter:
Can this news be true?

https://www.nairaland.com/7192749/ike-ekweremadu-wife-beatrice-charged

Ekweremadu and wife arrested in London for organ trafficking or na mixup n the name. Is this the same Ekweremadu giving interviews about Obi candidacy a few days ago

Dontbullshitme

It's true. Former dsp
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 1:34pm On Jun 23, 2022
Man is finished. He'll surely be jailed.

Na this kind stuff igbos dey do when them dem take dey make noise online say every Anambra person na millionaire. Home of billionaires toh

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 1:38pm On Jun 23, 2022
raumdeuter:
Can this news be true?

https://www.nairaland.com/7192749/ike-ekweremadu-wife-beatrice-charged

Ekweremadu and wife arrested in London for organ trafficking or na mixup n the name. Is this the same Ekweremadu giving interviews about Obi candidacy a few days ago


Yope. He's the one

Heard it was for his sick daughter.

Either ways, he's fcked
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 1:40pm On Jun 23, 2022
izzou:


Yope. He's the one

Heard it was for his sick daughter.

Either ways, he's fcked

A man of that status shouldn't be involving himself in such level of crime

He is rich enough to get a legit donor. This crime would be treated like murder sef
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 1:45pm On Jun 23, 2022
raumdeuter:


A man of that status shouldn't be involving himself in such level of crime

He is rich enough to get a legit donor. This crime would be treated like murder sef

We wouldn't know why he didn't opt for a legit donor
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 2:02pm On Jun 23, 2022
raumdeuter:


A man of that status shouldn't be involving himself in such level of crime

He is rich enough to get a legit donor. This crime would be treated like murder sef

What organ was he trying to harvest? It is not easy to get legit donor for the heart for instance. Another question is how is he sure the girl would be a match, abi e just wan do try your luck waste person life?
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 2:04pm On Jun 23, 2022
izzou:


Yope. He's the one

Heard it was for his sick daughter.

Either ways, he's fcked

So this man took a human being, a child abroad with the intention of harvesting the child's organs? These are the kind of people we have as leaders. It means he was literally prepared to murder a human being.

The only reason this man was caught is because for some strange reason, he opted to do this in the UK. If he had gone for India or the Middle East he would have gotten away clean with murder and spent the next few years trolling the victims survivors
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 2:10pm On Jun 23, 2022
GloriousGbola:


So this man took a human being, a child abroad with the intention of harvesting the child's organs? These are the kind of people we have as leaders. It means he was literally prepared to murder a human being.

The only reason this man was caught is because for some strange reason, he opted to do this in the UK. If he had gone for India or the Middle East he would have gotten away clean with murder and spent the next few years trolling the victims survivors

Most of our leaders no get conscience naa, if not all.

If it was successful, he would have done a mega thanksgiving service in church

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 2:38pm On Jun 23, 2022
GloriousGbola:


So this man took a human being, a child abroad with the intention of harvesting the child's organs? These are the kind of people we have as leaders. It means he was literally prepared to murder a human being.

The only reason this man was caught is because for some strange reason, he opted to do this in the UK. If he had gone for India or the Middle East he would have gotten away clean with murder and spent the next few years trolling the victims survivors

How he thought he could do that in the UK and get away with it is nothing short of village people and Owo aiye in his matter. As a very rich man with connections he would get away with this in many countries

And which doctor will assist him in the murder sef
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 2:39pm On Jun 23, 2022
afrodoc2:


What organ was he trying to harvest? It is not easy to get legit donor for the heart for instance. Another question is how is he sure the girl would be a match, abi e just wan do try your luck waste person life?

A doctor would have been involved maybe a Naija doctor, I doubt an Oyinbo doctor will want to be associated with such act. How did he even think UK was the best place to try that type of thing

Maybe na setup sha
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Skimpledawg(m): 3:24pm On Jun 23, 2022
Elder0001:
Man is finished. He'll surely be jailed.

Na this kind stuff igbos dey do when them dem take dey make noise online say every Anambra person na millionaire. Home of billionaires toh
Cmon man! This is not necessary.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by seankafor(m): 4:11pm On Jun 23, 2022
Skimpledawg:

Cmon man! This is not necessary.
that pvssy is probly menstruating undecided

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by larride(m): 5:16pm On Jun 23, 2022
I'm back. grin
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by EmmanuelScott1(m): 5:20pm On Jun 23, 2022
Elder0001:
Man is finished. He'll surely be jailed.

Na this kind stuff igbos dey do when them dem take dey make noise online say every Anambra person na millionaire. Home of billionaires toh

Lol you're insane, dickhead

Is ekweremadu an anambarian, f**k you niggar

The same ekweremadu you supported when he make a foolish speech about PO.

You're complete fool, idiot

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by EmmanuelScott1(m): 5:22pm On Jun 23, 2022
Elder0001:
Man is finished. He'll surely be jailed.

Na this kind stuff igbos dey do when them dem take dey make noise online say every Anambra person na millionaire. Home of billionaires toh

Seun, mukina2

Rule 2 broken

Ban the MF with immediate effect with those people that liked that nonsense comment of him
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by EmmanuelScott1(m): 5:23pm On Jun 23, 2022
Elder0001:
Man is finished. He'll surely be jailed.

Na this kind stuff igbos dey do when them dem take dey make noise online say every Anambra person na millionaire. Home of billionaires toh

sad sad
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Nobody: 5:37pm On Jun 23, 2022
larride:
I'm back. grin

Welcome back comrade. One cannot say the truth again without being banned, but we'll continue saying the truth regardless.
I rather be banned than be doing political correctness or posting unrealistic bs.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by EmmanuelScott1(m): 5:56pm On Jun 23, 2022
Elder0001:


Welcome back comrade. One cannot say the truth again without being banned, but we'll continue saying the truth regardless.
I rather be banned than be doing political correctness or posting unrealistic bs.

Truth Kee you there, tribal bigot
Nah jealousy go Kee you

Anyway.

Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 5:58pm On Jun 23, 2022
izzou:


Yope. He's the one

Heard it was for his sick daughter.

Either ways, he's fcked

Seems your story is true

https://www.nairaland.com/7193418/ekweremadus-daughter-needed-kidney-he
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Jodera: 6:21pm On Jun 23, 2022
raumdeuter:


Seems your story is true

https://www.nairaland.com/7193418/ekweremadus-daughter-needed-kidney-he
Heaven knows the senator and his wife are lying.

If really they needed it for their sick daughter

1. Why didn't they want to admit her in hospital for the transplant to be done legally

2.. Why transport the boy illegally with fake passports which will possibly include fake documentation

3.. The worrying of it all is that why use an underage?

There's something sinister with their motives and I hope they face the full wrath of the law there
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:18pm On Jun 23, 2022
Jodera:
Heaven knows the senator and his wife are lying.

If really they needed it for their sick daughter

1. Why didn't they want to admit her in hospital for the transplant to be done legally

2.. Why transport the boy illegally with fake passports which will possibly include fake documentation

3.. The worrying of it all is that why use an underage?

There's something sinister with their motives and I hope they face the full wrath of the law there

And he chose to do this sinister thing in a country with laws
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by nihilistjnr: 7:50pm On Jun 23, 2022
Don't underestimate how far you might be willing to go for your children.

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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:52pm On Jun 23, 2022
nihilistjnr:
Don't underestimate how far you might be willing to go for your children.

True.

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