Kobojunkie:
1. Submission in marriage is God's curse on marriage which rendered marriage not of God but of this world(unholy).

Here's my question to you. If submission is so good, why do you not yourself submit to your woman?

2. God gave what you refer there to as the Mosaic Laws to the people of Israel -those who have the blood of Israel flowing through their veins- as a National Constitution for the Nation of Israel which He constituted of them in the Land of Canaan. There were no "limitations" to the Law as it was designed by God to serve as His Law to the Nation of His creation and even of that Law, as Jesus Christ explained ,"Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a jot of God's Word/Law will pass away... Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17". That Law, the Constitution of Israel as given by God lives to this day and to eternity.

3. Jesus Christ clearly says you are no longer to earn a living as His follower - John 6 vs 25 - 35. . He pulled His own disciples away from their careers/jobs, businessess, promising them so much more in reward for abandoning it all for His sake - Matthew 19 vs 28 - 30.

The instructions are you are to no longer work for food that perishes. Someone else might do it but are not to do it. It is pretty straight forward. Jesus Christ and His disciples did same, and the same is expect of all those who follow Him.

4. I know you think that Redemption/Salvation from the curse will come with God pretty much rolling back the curse for you or something like that but that isn't the case at all. As Jesus Christ said, those who love Him are those who obey His teachings(and commandments) , the Only Way to be saved/redeemed from the condemnation of sin aka Death which is God's Judgement against man since Adam - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19

5. Again, see #1.

1) Stop deceiving yourself, God did not curse marriage. God cursed man. 16- The woman would bear her offsprings in pain. And her husband will rule over her. 17- The ground was cursed for Adam, if he does not work, he will not eat. These are clearly specific economic/medical curses. This was the curse of man. Again marriage was always of this world from the beginning because there is no marriage in heaven!

2)Heb 7:11-12 will help enlighten you. Gods own people remained the nation of isreal alone and their guiding principles was the mosaic law. To reconcile all men to God Jews and gentiles, was there the need for another priest. So until Christ, Gods chosen people were the Israelites and the mosaic law was for them. Heb 7:11-“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?” This statement unmasks your analogy that the mosaic law was perfect, it wasn’t, reason for Jesus another priest.

3) Must you just lie for arguments sakes? So you don’t know also that the apostle Paul was a tent maker, yes! He earned a living while propagating the gospel despite being a lawyer by training. Even full time ministry is work! Reason full time clergymen are paid salaries. Kindly tell everyone how you survive and get more without earning a living? Of course you will deviate as usual!

4) Christ came to salvage the relationship between God and mankind; Jews and gentiles, isrealites and idolaters because even the mosaic law was not prefect. So you tell us Isreal was expecting a promised messiah to come redeem man from marital curse? Try a harder spin!

Lastly, you must understand that no one cares wether you submit to your hubby or not. Submission is strength and not weakness. You are a weak person, reason you jump all over NL arguing blindly even when you know you are wrong! You have this little mind feeling that an admission belittles you. You would rather take your folly to the grave than come clean. It’s a shame, although an intelligent person, it’s a flawed circle.

Pierocash:
Don't try entering a relationship with a feminist,not to talk of marriage. They are cursed with ego ,and will never submit. They act like you are both dragging for supremacy.

How insecure are you or how fragile is your ego that you need someone to “submit” to you?
God forbid you die young, and leave a “submissive “ widow to fend for and raise your kids. SMDH
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ReadingIsWealth:
Feminism by itself is just that women and men both deserve dignity and mutual respect as equals. Some women do act closer to a "female supremacist" but thankfully this is rare. Though it is tempting, try to not let this "vocal minority" - that being female supremacists - define the label of feminist. Technically speaking, feminism just means equality of the sexes and no supremacy can exist with this definition.

Feminist women make good partners and are typically more intelligent. There is nothing like a woman with a body AND mind that excites you. Intelligence and humor are so strongly related and I thank God my wife makes me cry with laughter from her wit!

As a country we are very far behind rich and powerful nations when it comes to gender. Feminism has made the western countries rich and hold back so many ones like nigeria. If more women were career oriented here instead of just baby-machines, maybe we would not have a terrible population boom that will cause so much tension and instability in the coming years.

God help us.

Not against feminism, but it doesn't make any country rich. Countries become rich because they manage their resources properly.

Just to let you know, U.S. has world's highest rate of children living in single-parent, Baby-mamas you mentioned, Fatherless kids etc. They are rich because they manage the resources they have. Nigeria doesn't.

Moreso, China has a very large population but they channel their man-power resource into production and manufacturing.

You guys say a lot of FALSE statements online, LIE unprovoked and women would come and cheer you up.

Kobojunkie:
1. Submission in marriage is God's curse on marriage which rendered marriage not of God but of this world(unholy).

Here's my question to you. If submission is so good, why do you not yourself submit to your woman?

2. God gave what you refer there to as the Mosaic Laws to the people of Israel -those who have the blood of Israel flowing through their veins- as a National Constitution for the Nation of Israel which He constituted of them in the Land of Canaan. There were no "limitations" to the Law as it was designed by God to serve as His Law to the Nation of His creation and even of that Law, as Jesus Christ explained ,"Heaven and Earth will pass away but not a jot of God's Word/Law will pass away... Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17". That Law, the Constitution of Israel as given by God lives to this day and to eternity.

3. Jesus Christ clearly says you are no longer to earn a living as His follower - John 6 vs 25 - 35. . He pulled His own disciples away from their careers/jobs, businessess, promising them so much more in reward for abandoning it all for His sake - Matthew 19 vs 28 - 30.

The instructions are you are to no longer work for food that perishes. Someone else might do it but are not to do it. It is pretty straight forward. Jesus Christ and His disciples did same, and the same is expect of all those who follow Him.

4. I know you think that Redemption/Salvation from the curse will come with God pretty much rolling back the curse for you or something like that but that isn't the case at all. As Jesus Christ said, those who love Him are those who obey His teachings(and commandments) , the Only Way to be saved/redeemed from the condemnation of sin aka Death which is God's Judgement against man since Adam - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19

5. Again, see #1.

I had to read this thread from beginning to the end because of you; I mean to read all of your comments. I must commend, you are very intelligent. But, these are my findings:

1. You said marriage is not of God but of this world.
2. God is not against divorce.
3. You are no longer to work for your daily bread. You even affirmed that: "Jesus Christ clearly says you are no longer to earn a living as His follower."
4. A woman must not submit to her husband; instead, marriage is a partnership. You quoted Matthew 23 vs 8-10.

Now, my questions:
1. Do you wish to get married or you believe humans are in marriage due to lack of understanding?
2. If God is not against divorce, and you want to get married, what would be the limit of your tolerance in a marriage.
3. What do you currently do for a living? Can you marry a man (or allow your sisters do same) that has no job but is VERY religious?
4. What is your idea of submission (not from a dictionary or book; I mean your very own thought of it).

Novemberaura:
Is there anyone here married to a feminist lady.

I need inputs.

What are the challenges and benefits. Is it really as awful as people say it is

Why do feminist ladies end up not married or have failed marriages.

Feminist should rest and marry their fellow feminist

tundebasic:

I had to read this thread from beginning to the end because of you; I mean to read all of your comments. I must commend, you are very intelligent. But, these are my findings:

1. You said marriage is not of God but of this world.
2. God is not against divorce.
3. You are no longer to work for your daily bread. You even affirmed that: "Jesus Christ clearly says you are no longer to earn a living as His follower."
4. A woman must not submit to her husband; instead, marriage is a partnership. You quoted Matthew 23 vs 8-10.

Now, my questions:
1. Do you wish to get married or you believe humans are in marriage due to lack of understanding?
2. If God is not against divorce, and you want to get married, what would be the limit of your tolerance in a marriage.
3. What do you currently do for a living? Can you marry a man (or allow your sisters do same) that has no job but is VERY religious?
4. What is your idea of submission (not from a dictionary or book; I mean your very own thought of it).

1. Getting married is no different from buying a car, eating ice-cream or getting a nose job. It is a choice, it is not unlawful to do nor is it against God. It is simply not of God means it does not impact your standing with God in any way of form. Jesus Christ told you this when He said, "Your marriages are of this world and not of the Kingdom of God - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36".

2. You know your limit of tolerance. God doesn’t decide that for you however He warns that you cause another to sin when you divorce the person - Mattthew 5 vs 30 - 32. So it is best to think carefully before you even attempt marriage.

3. I do what Jesus Christ commands in John 6 vs 25 - 35 which is I no longer work for bread that perishes. Living life in this way causes one to apply wisdom to everything one does.

Can a one who follows Jesus Christ marry an unbeliever who maybe works for bread that perishes? The answer is yes. Just placed no limitations on His followers as far as who they can or cannot marry.

Can a one who follows Jesus Christ marry another follower of Jesus Christ,one who also does not work for bread that perishes? The answer again is yes because God places no limitations on His own as far as who they can or cannot marry.

4. Submission is a Master/Slave relationship. And those who belong to Jesus Christ are commanded to submit only to Jesus Christ as their Master and Jesus Christ alone- Matthew 6 vs 24 and Matthew 23 vs 8 - 10. According to God, cursed is anyone who submits to another human being - Jeremiah 17 vs 5.

redseason:

1) Stop deceiving yourself, God did not curse marriage. God cursed man. 16- The woman would bear her offsprings in pain. And her husband will rule over her. 17- The ground was cursed for Adam, if he does not work, he will not eat. These are clearly specific economic/medical curses. This was the curse of man. Again marriage was always of this world from the beginning because there is no marriage in heaven!

2)Heb 7:11-12 will help enlighten you. Gods own people remained the nation of isreal alone and their guiding principles was the mosaic law. To reconcile all men to God Jews and gentiles, was there the need for another priest. So until Christ, Gods chosen people were the Israelites and the mosaic law was for them. Heb 7:11-“If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?” This statement unmasks your analogy that the mosaic law was perfect, it wasn’t, reason for Jesus another priest.

3) Must you just lie for arguments sakes? So you don’t know also that the apostle Paul was a tent maker, yes! He earned a living while propagating the gospel despite being a lawyer by training. Even full time ministry is work! Reason full time clergymen are paid salaries. Kindly tell everyone how you survive and get more without earning a living? Of course you will deviate as usual!

4) Christ came to salvage the relationship between God and mankind; Jews and gentiles, isrealites and idolaters because even the mosaic law was not prefect. So you tell us Isreal was expecting a promised messiah to come redeem man from marital curse? Try a harder spin!

5. Lastly, you must understand that no one cares wether you submit to your hubby or not. Submission is strength and not weakness. You are a weak person, reason you jump all over NL arguing blindly even when you know you are wrong! You have this little mind feeling that an admission belittles you. You would rather take your folly to the grave than come clean. It’s a shame, although an intelligent person, it’s a flawed circle.

1. So you simply don't believe God's judgement against Mankind for the sins of Adam and Eve outlined in Genesis 3 vs 16 -:19 then?.

2. Again, God Himself gave the Mosaic Law to the people of Israel as the National Constitution of the Nation of Israel which He created for Himself in the land of Canaan. Jesus Christ, the one you call Savior also lived His life on earth in complete Submission to and obedience of that very same when He was here on earth. That Law was perfectly crafted by God for the purpose which He made it for. To claim the Law had limitations is to suggest God made a mistake mistake God was drunk when He implemented that Law.

3. I am not a witness for Paul. I am instead a witness for Jesus Christ. And according to Jesus Christ, those who belong to Him no longer work for food that perishes but instead for food that endures to eternity which only Jesus Christ gives to them.

4. Again, God cursed mankind since Adam - Genesis 3 vs 16 - 19, rendering all that was of man cursed and of this world , and not of Him. Then God sent Jesus Christ to offer to men the very same [b]Trut[/b]h(tree of Knowledge of good and evil) and Eternal Life(Tree of Life) which was lost to man as a result of Adam’s fall, this to Redeem/Save man from God's curse and also transform him into a Son of God by His submission and obedience of Jesus Christ's teachings(and commandments).

5. Again, I ask you. If submission is such a great idea, why do you not submit to your women? Why do you resist it so?.

Nigerian men can exhaust pages going back and forth on how women should submit to them, yet they can't contribute positively to the development of the world and even their country is in a shambles. What a confused and childish set of men!

simeoneh:

Feminist should rest and marry their fellow feminist

True.

But the problem is people who marry those they know that have obviously different ideologies and then want to change them or force them into “submission”. Why?

So you don’t want a submissive woman?

All your online preaching only to go date and egalitarian? If she’s egalitarian, then she’s feminist. End of discussion.

Glad you had enough reasoning to understand that a mindset of equality breeds the best type of relationships where your partner can truly be a partner to you not like a child under your authority.

Keep it up!

pansophist:
Well not married, but dating a feminist. They are the best kind of women to be with, that if she is truly a feminist. Not the hypocritical ones we all dislike. My ex, for example, does take me out and pay for herself, or for us sometimes. She recognized my struggle as a man and doesn't even believe in nonsense such as patriarchy, because she is aware of and acknowledges her female privilege.

We dated when I was in uni, and of course, broke like hell. She made my life far easier in school, as she will bring all kinds of food stuff from her mother and grandmother and land at my place. She is a good person, feminism or not. Also, many of these so-called feminists are just fronting, they usually melt when real men show up, especially when they won't tolerate that toxic feminism.

She does domestic stuff since it's one of the ways she can show that you love and cares for me. I will probably call her the type of feminist that was preached in the 90s, the older, matured, and humane version, not the idiots that populate feminism now. She even hates what feminist has become these days and will rather call herself an egaliterian. If you meet this kind of woman, then go ahead and marry her.

cococandy:
So you don’t want a submissive woman?

All your online preaching only to go date and egalitarian? If she’s egalitarian, then she’s feminist. End of discussion.

Glad you had enough reasoning to understand that a mindset of equality breeds the best type of relationships where your partner can truly be a partner to you not like a child under your authority.

Keep it up!

Na wa o, and I thought my preaching was clear enough.

You can be a feminist and be submissive, the two do not compete or conflict with themselves, a good woman is both.

By being a feminist, I'm not referring to the toxic version that is common these days, but true, organic, and humane one. A woman with a sense of responsibility towards herself and me.

My understanding of submission is respect. A woman that respects me and respects herself is a submissive woman. She can't be one without being the other, it's the opposite side of the same coin.

As per your last paragraph, that exactly what I've been saying here since, that men should go into an equal relationship, where she can do things you do for her.

The kind of tackle I get from moniker like Iyaebe and UyaiIncomparabl is well known. iyaebe particularly called me stingy and not deserving respect from a woman because I expect her to bring something to the table, not her body. Or uyi that says it's a man duty to provide, subtly hinting that he should expect nothing material from a woman.

So perhaps, hope you aint confusing me with someone else sha, or just look for previous post where I argued the opposite. So you see, don't make me a villain of your imagination. I'm your friend.

Okay then. Let’s say I confused you with someone else. Because I don’t disagree with anything you’ve shared in this post so far.

pansophist:


Na wa o, and I thought my preaching was clear enough.

You can be a feminist and be submissive, the two do not compete or conflict with themselves, a good woman is both.

By being a feminist, I'm not referring to the toxic version that is common these days, but true, organic, and humane one. A woman with a sense of responsibility towards herself and me.

My understanding of submission is respect. A woman that respects me and respects herself is a submissive woman. She can't be one without being the other, it's the opposite side of the same coin.

As per your last paragraph, that exactly what I've been saying here since, that men should go into an equal relationship, where she can do things you do for her.

The kind of tackle I get from moniker like Iyaebe and UyaiIncomparabl is well known. iyaebe particularly called me stingy and not deserving respect from a woman because I expect her to bring something to the table, not her body. Or uyi that says it's a man duty to provide, hinting that he should expect nothing from a woman.

So perhaps, hope you aint confusing me with someone else sha, or just look for previous post where I argued the opposite. So you see, don't make a villain of your imagination. I'm your friend.

pansophist:
Na wa o, and I thought my preaching was clear enough.

You can be a feminist and be submissive, the two do not compete or conflict with themselves, a good woman is both.

I have a very simple question. Why can't a man submit too?

Why must it be a woman submitting and not a man submitting?

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I see now! Feminists don't submit, and the some is you can't submit yourselves, but expects the females to submit to you on grounds that they are females. I get it now!

The only thing poor men think of/entertain themselves with—apart from unending sex without contraceptives—must be the subjugation and objectification of females, without which their lives are intolerable and lack influence. Especially the "submit" crew.

A survey needs to be carried out on the red pill/"am-high-value"/macho/alpha segment of the forum. They all share one trait from childhood.

Kobojunkie:
I have a very simple question. Why can't a man submit too?

Why must it be a woman submitting and not a man submitting?

Because that's the only verse in their Bibles that takes men to heaven. Without any logical reason, they wield fat Bibles hypocritically.

cococandy:
So you don’t want a submissive woman?

All your online preaching only to go date and egalitarian? If she’s egalitarian, then she’s feminist. End of discussion.

Glad you had enough reasoning to understand that a mindset of equality breeds the best type of relationships where your partner can truly be a partner to you not like a child under your authority.

Keep it up!

Female privilege, he says. Someone that wants feminism. When it favors him, of course. What is she bringing to the table? I want everything that I want.

ccffwx:
Nigerian men can exhaust pages going back and forth on how women should submit to them, yet they can't contribute positively to the development of the world and even their country is in a shambles. What a confused and childish set of men!

Yep. That's why Nigeria is nonsensical. The few that can halt those thoughts to try being productive aren't much better. Once a man thinks like that, no matter where he gets to, he remains bottom of the barrel material.

It's probably because Nigerian men are empty without women in their lives. Thus the obsession with relationships and marriage comes from the men. I don't think the women are that vested in it. When their women aren't vested in it, after all the nonsense they post to make them feel shamed and do anything to have a man by insulting them and endlessly trying to deride them with a new paid thread every few hours, they call the women feminists.

Almost funny.

ReadingIsWealth:
Feminism by itself is just that women and men both deserve dignity and mutual respect as equals. Some women do act closer to a "female supremacist" but thankfully this is rare. Though it is tempting, try to not let this "vocal minority" - that being female supremacists - define the label of feminist. Technically speaking, feminism just means equality of the sexes and no supremacy can exist with this definition.

Feminist women make good partners and are typically more intelligent. There is nothing like a woman with a body AND mind that excites you. Intelligence and humor are so strongly related and I thank God my wife makes me cry with laughter from her wit!

As a country we are very far behind rich and powerful nations when it comes to gender. Feminism has made the western countries rich and hold back so many ones like nigeria. If more women were career oriented here instead of just baby-machines, maybe we would not have a terrible population boom that will cause so much tension and instability in the coming years.

God help us.

No, they should keep women submissive

Pierocash:
because both the Bible ,and Quran said so.

Your own sons can submit to there wives,mine won't submit to any woman, they can only love them

GIVE REAL REASONS..
..
Not Religious Reasons

cococandy:
Okay then. Let’s say I confused you with someone else. Because I don’t disagree with anything you’ve shared in this post so far.

Lame.

Anyone can dismiss by saying they do not agree. True knowledge is to bring a superior argument and explain why you don't agree.

Kobojunkie:
I have a very simple question. Why can't a man submit too?

Why must it be a woman submitting and not a man submitting?

When a woman respects a man, she is submissive towards him. When a man loves a woman, he is submissive to her. The keyword here is submission, which men and women express in a different way.

pansophist:


Lame.

Anyone can dismiss by saying they do not agree. True knowledge is to bring a superior argument and explain why you don't agree.

I said I do not disagree.

Read again

Thank you.

For real

ReadingIsWealth:
Feminism by itself is just that women and men both deserve dignity and mutual respect as equals. Some women do act closer to a "female supremacist" but thankfully this is rare. Though it is tempting, try to not let this "vocal minority" - that being female supremacists - define the label of feminist. Technically speaking, feminism just means equality of the sexes and no supremacy can exist with this definition.

Feminist women make good partners and are typically more intelligent. There is nothing like a woman with a body AND mind that excites you. Intelligence and humor are so strongly related and I thank God my wife makes me cry with laughter from her wit!

As a country we are very far behind rich and powerful nations when it comes to gender. Feminism has made the western countries rich and hold back so many ones like nigeria. If more women were career oriented here instead of just baby-machines, maybe we would not have a terrible population boom that will cause so much tension and instability in the coming years.

God help us.

BRATISLAVA:


Female privilege, he says. Someone that wants feminism. When it favors him, of course. What is she bringing to the table? I want everything that I want.

Well he does agree that men can/should submit too which is why I don’t see any issues at this time with his opinions.

cococandy:


I said I do not disagree.

Read again

Oh sorry. Now it's clear.

pansophist:
When a woman respects a man, she is submissive towards him. When a man loves a woman, he is submissive to her. The keyword here is submission, which men and women express in a different way.

So in your view, a woman simply doesn't submit in love or marriage, she submits to most every man she respects, regardless of the nature of the relationship between them?

Anyways, within the confines of marriage, why again is submission by the man expressed differently from that of the woman?

Kobojunkie:
So in your view, a woman simply doesn't submit in love or marriage, she submits to most every man she respects, regardless of the nature of the relationship between them?

Anyways, within the confines of marriage, why again is submission by the man expressed differently from that of the woman?

Does your husband submits to you? Are you currently teaching your sons to submit to their wives?

Acidosis:
Does your husband submits to you? Are you currently teaching your sons to submit to their wives?

Why can't a man submit too?

Why must it be a woman submitting and not a man submitting?

Why do you teach your sons that submission only applies to your women? Why do you raise them to believe women are to be relegated to slave status while men sit as masters over them?

P.S. - Submission in a union defines a Master/Slave relationship

Kobojunkie:
Why can't a man submit too?

Why must it be a woman submitting and not a man submitting?

Why do you teach your sons that submission only applies to your women?

You haven't answered my questions. Why should I answer yours?

What's the arrangement in your home? Who's submitting to who? Who's got the final say on "critical" and most important issues that affect the family? Who is the head of your home? Who initiated the idea of marriage between you two?

Let's know the arrangement in your home? Is it working for you?

Kobojunkie:


Why do you raise them to believe women are to be relegated to slave status while men sit as masters over them?

P.S. - Submission in a union defines a Master/Slave relationship

All these theories don't work with a woman in love. Women "submit" naturally and willingly to a man they consider deserving and responsible.

The question is why are you hell-bent on changing this natural phenomenon with an idea you haven't practised yourself in your home?

Acidosis:
1. You haven't answered my questions. Why should I answer yours?

What's the arrangement in your home? Who's submitting to who? Who's got the final say on "critical" and most important issues that affect the family? Who is the head of your home? Who initiated the idea of marriage between you two?

Let's know the arrangement in your home? Is it working for you?

Submission - a Master/Slave bond - does not apply in my life so the obvious answer to all questions regarding it is NO.

Another type of bond is that born of a partnership where both partners are either "equally yoked" or otherwise, depending on their agreement. I favor this type of bonding instead.

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Why can't a man submit too?

Why must it be a woman submitting and not a man submitting?

Why do you teach your sons that submission only applies to your women? Why do you raise them to believe women are to be relegated to slave status while men sit as masters over them?

P.S. - Submission in a union defines a Master/Slave relationship

Kobojunkie:
Why can't a man submit too?

Why must it be a woman submitting and not a man submitting?

Why do you teach your sons that submission only applies to your women? Why do you raise them to believe women are to be relegated to slave status while men sit as masters over them?

P.S. - Submission in a union defines a Master/Slave relationship

I can assume you're a feminist from all your comments.

I just want to ask you this, if you meet some textbook guy who loves you truly and genuinely. Does all those little and big things we all read about men showing love to their women and offcourse doesn't cheat or abuse you, I mean if he's everything or maybe most thing an average girl will want in a man, helps you out support and encourage you, protects you etc.
Would you or would you not drop your feminist agenda. Just answer me honestly cuz it will help a brother


Cuz sometimes I see feminism as a defensive mechanism women use to avoid abuse from men other times I see it as a way to get back at men for possibly past ugly experiences.