krissconnect:
These past weeks, I've been reaching out to my friends who are abroad to help me with links or advices to move abroad too. But I discovered that none of them decided to help, instead they discouraged me either by saying, "it's difficult to move now or the country isn't issuing visa now".

One of my guy in CANADA defiantly ignored my text when I asked him for links or the route he used to move, the other in Korea said the country isn't issuing visa now but he recently moved back and another directly said that it's very hard to get visas now to travel. But one Asian American in the States gave me lots of links to move to the State and even encouraged me to move.

But then I don't understand why our African brothers over there will never encourage or advice someone willing to move. Is it envy or greediness or what? I've never had any of my guy abroad encourage me to move when I asked for advice. If things are difficult over there, why not come home?

NB: I never asked them for fund cos the money is available.

It's not about envy..

When you ask someone from abroad a link to travel..
1. If you are from a rich family or you are financially okay... he or she won't hesitate to drop the link because he believes you don't need his help to survive until you balance.... ( your settle your own accommodation even before u arrive and you stock up the fridge) so he knows... you ain't a liability
2. If you not from a rich family and you are a hustler coming to hustle... he will likely give you story... not because he or she hates you... but he believes you will be a burden to him financially

Your coming may increase his bills to extra $250/month additional to what he has to pay before...
You won't know all dis... but he it will be difficult for dat person...

Some people when dey arrive...dey will tell d host... just let me manage with u 1month... dat 1 months will turn to 7month... na how the nigga won take manage him life...

Lastly some are living in terrible condition...
Forget about the pictures in street you see..
Some are struggling due to lack of document..
They wanna keep that life to themselves alone until dey get wot dey are looking for

If you visit them... their lifestyle will be expose and u may cast them to people back home...

In short... when u too travel you will understand

My advice... forget does guys...
Go online and seek information
If u too lazy find a trusted agent to help u move


God bless

DannyFX2638:
this is where the problem is .
Most people refuse to come back not because of they don't want to , They are afraid of how the society will see them ..

Imagine telling your guys that you are going to Canada then after some months , You come empty handed .. haaa .. You reason am nahh..

Ordinary your village you day go , u go buy full bag.. Make them no go see you as failure , How much more Overseas?

People don't understand this part. This is exactly the reason so many that have travelled can't think of coming back now.

Sassy256:

Even if they're finding it difficult there coming back most likely isn't an option because most of them sold all they had to go there so they have to endure at all cost, not because they're enjoying it too much.

they want to see it like they are finding it difficult but that's not reality over there. Nigerians are like people that don't want you to over shine them , i.e the reason of all the discouragement.

SIRTee15:


Don't discourage those who want to go with your cynical negative comments.
U talk as if 100k is easy to earn anywhere in the world. How many people even boast of that as salary in Nigeria.
Ironically u are more likely to earn 100k per year woing abroad than in nigeria.
I encourage those who wants to leave to do so albeit legally. The only ones I will advice to exercise caution is if u earning more than a million per month OR more than 500k in a well established institution OR u are involved in graft within govt agency.

There are some things u won't discover about Nigeria itself until u travel out. A friend of mine is trying to develop a food delivery app for Nigerian food sellers. He got that insight while working on similar app in uk. He's presently trying to attract funding for his app.

There's nothing worth staying in Nigeria to build hope. U can build your build your hope and dream everywhere.

I am telling you the reality of life abroad for the majority of Nigerians who will japa!!!! I am privileged, I have citizenship, I was a high rate tax payer which means I was considered well off in the Uk but I can back home because there are certain things money can’t buy.

If you can raise the money for a ticket you can raise the money to start and grow a business in Nigeria!!!! Trust me if you are the kind of person that cannot find a business to do in Nigeria with the money it would cost you to move abroad, you are the kind of person that will be stuck in a rut if you move abroad. You are the sort that will find they can’t go forward, can’t go backwards once you get there.

MT:


You have said it all. Please Op , read this person's narrative. He nailed it!!

I faced what the man said listening to Nigerians saying Nigeria is worse... It's all a lie... I faced lot... Did lot and lost lot before I realized it's better I live a better life than listen to what people will say about me when I come back with nothing... My experience is not even as worse as some other cos I went to other african countries people were saying it's better than Nigeria and I realized all is a lie...
Once you lift your leg off Nigeria boder the suffering starts... I lived in places I can't even stay in Nigeria I even realized one bag of water in ghana is equivalent to almost 500 naira nigeria money...
One coke in benin republic is equivalent to almost 500 naira Nigeria money... No jobs even menial jobs you won't see unless a very bad one...
I suffered lol
Thank God I am back and trying to start over but I lost a lot and I knew all what people say about nigeria being a worst country is a lie...
If you are eating comfy even no electricity buy gen you will live nice than most people moving abroad all it takes is a job that pays all... In Nigeria I will say we pay lesser or no tax at all... That's another pros again that covers most cons

krissconnect:
These past weeks, I've been reaching out to my friends who are abroad to help me with links or advices to move abroad too. But I discovered that none of them decided to help, instead they discouraged me either by saying, "it's difficult to move now or the country isn't issuing visa now".

One of my guy in CANADA defiantly ignored my text when I asked him for links or the route he used to move, the other in Korea said the country isn't issuing visa now but he recently moved back and another directly said that it's very hard to get visas now to travel. But one Asian American in the States gave me lots of links to move to the State and even encouraged me to move.

But then I don't understand why our African brothers over there will never encourage or advice someone willing to move. Is it envy or greediness or what? I've never had any of my guy abroad encourage me to move when I asked for advice. If things are difficult over there, why not come home?

NB: I never asked them for fund cos the money is available.

even the person am dating no give me any link I think they are gree Abeg how the link de

We are in the same boat. I stopped caring about what people say, I got little peace. Now, I stopped caring about what families say, my peace knows no bounds. My elder sister demand also made me go rob chase bank. Now, I don't give 2 cent. I handle my business, take care of my mother, pay tuition for my nieces and nephews and the rest can go find a job... Simple life

AndroidAI:


Nothing surprises me anymore.

Send him the car, you'll also end up clearing it.

Then later, you'll send more when repairs emerge.

If you later bail, they will talk about how you wickedly sent them a car without adequate money to maintain it.

My brother, since I stopped caring about what people think or say about me, I've been living in peace.

I can't help an average Nigerian and I don't care if they see me as wicked or whatever.

Experience, they say, is the best teacher, and I've learned.

They won't advise you to move because you will later insult them for not tell you everything about abroad.
Abroad is not a bed of roses, the kind of suffering you will see at first will make you to keep enmity with whoever advice you to travel.
And during that stressful early stage you may want to rely on them for survival and that is what they don't want because they themselves have not really achieve what they really want to achieve. Most of them abroad have not gotten the complete document to live peacefully, they are still struggling to survive

krissconnect:
These past weeks, I've been reaching out to my friends who are abroad to help me with links or advices to move abroad too. But I discovered that none of them decided to help, instead they discouraged me either by saying, "it's difficult to move now or the country isn't issuing visa now".

One of my guy in CANADA defiantly ignored my text when I asked him for links or the route he used to move, the other in Korea said the country isn't issuing visa now but he recently moved back and another directly said that it's very hard to get visas now to travel. But one Asian American in the States gave me lots of links to move to the State and even encouraged me to move.

But then I don't understand why our African brothers over there will never encourage or advice someone willing to move. Is it envy or greediness or what? I've never had any of my guy abroad encourage me to move when I asked for advice. If things are difficult over there, why not come home?

NB: I never asked them for fund cos the money is available.

would you consider coming to Ghana?
then we will communicate on whatsapp

They don't want you to be like them.

Empiree:
why do you need anyone to give you link when you can easily get what you want on the internet?. And one of the many reasons they are reluctant is they don't want anyone to burden them which is true. You have no idea what people go through outside Nigeria. You don't know how they live. So please stop unnecessary nagging. You can get what you want on social media.

I have received visitors from nija in the past and some of them are bad experiences. Some of them came here and started preaching Jesus to me and my neighbors. I honestly don't blame anyone who refuses to welcome visitors and other thing is how visitors get you in trouble if care is not taken. As for jobs, I have no problem showing folks how to get job but I can never welcome visitors from Nigeria again.

So if you want to travel, have your own resources and get yourself well informed and stop nagging. No one is responsible for you and discourage you. Western world is another setting entirely especially if you never had experience with bill payments. So you wanna become burden on someone?. So I don't get why you need someone to give you link when you can easily get them on social media.

Oga,you will welcome me ooooo

Raregem9000:
Bro, this man already asked me if i have enough money that would sustain me when i come over and i told him yes. I'm sure he was expecting me to say No, so that he could rubbish me with that. I even went ahead and told him i could print out my statement of account for him to see. After i told him that, he now said i should use the money i have with me to start up a business instead of coming there. I planned to just live with him for sometime while we both pay for the house bills before sorting out myself but the man no gree. He started saying he would report me to my parents that i no dey calm down. You know stuffs like that now. I just bone am since then

Bro visit visa this days doesn't work with cousins or relatives ...not like they cancelled it but the chances is very slim...

They only wanna see
parents to children
Children to parent
Siblings to Siblings

You see those three level... na straightforward..

Tho your cousing could hav advice you to try study route... even tho it's expensive

The only strong reason your cousin won't invite you is because... if you get the visa... his own paper will be documented as guarantor...
If you commit crime....
They won't jail him... but he may loose his documents or sent back home... that's if you runaway...

So all man for himself... find ur own link and move

humberjade:
Never for once have I experienced power failure, shey na better health care we wan mention, or as I walk freely anytime of the day without fear (leave home for work 3am fearlessly), no police harassment, no banditry or armed robbery. Although you can't rule out pockets of these crimes, but it has never happened to me. So in all ramifications, living abroad (better countries o) outweighs living in naija right now. But sha, there is no place like home, nah naija you fit truly flex your wealth wey you gather abroad.

Whenever you move, just make sure it is done legitimately. Bro, you don't want to end up as an illegal immigrant (i.e, over staying). I would suggest you move to whatever country you want to move to as a student; that's the easiest way to migrate these days, others are tedious and expensive. Except of course you are in the medical line. Just be sure to have some sellable skills, preferably IT related, or basic skills like manicure and pedicure, barbing and hair dressing (just that all my female friends dey rock low cut now ). Don't travel empty without a skill. And pray for divine favour too.

Now, those who are discouraging you have their different reasons for doing so. For example, on the streets of Berlin for example, I daily run into some of our African people on different stages of madness. While some are making it, some aren't so fortunate, and when one succumbs to the frustration, insanity sets in.

Whichever country you enter, make sure you are legit, pray that God directs your path to meet people that would direct your path (show you the way), don't get carried away, hustle when you still have strength in your bones, find time to blow off steam at interval, and with God on your side, it will be all smiles down the road.

I was fortunate to land in the hands of kind people, who despite what they went through before settling down, welcomed me with both arms and showed me the way. Without them, it would have been hell. And I also met people who didn't want to help, one even said he went through hell, as such, we too should follow the same process, imagine!

I wish you the very best in your quest to relocate abroad. Don't be discouraged.

Nice one bro,ur such a nice person,may God bless u more

megababajo:
The poster may have the wrong friends. I live in the diaspora and always encourage my friends to relocate if they ask me my thoughts. It’s always better to have options that to be stuck with a country without plans.

Can I be your new best friend?

okeysoninv:
pure. lie, which country

Sweeping roads in any country is a minimum wage job, so the only thing lying is your deluded mind thinking they pick money on streets abroad.

jesmond3945:

I am currenty helping 2 people to migrate. I gave 2 nigerian jobs in Uk. The job I am doing, a Nigerian linked me up. There are threads in travel section that literally helped people who want to migrate. Look at the indian community in abroad. 11 people live in one house. I told my wife to accomodate one family to split bills she refused. Nigerian community in abroad is the worst ever. Go to phrankleen youtube channel and read more.

Bro....lemme be on your next help list
Naija hard oooooo

dayleke:


That's exactly what the argument is all about that the OP does not understand.

YOU

IF DON'T HAVE A GOOD PLAN DON'T ATTEMPT TO TRAVEL OUT. YOU WILL BE FRUSTRATED. CANADA, UK, S/KOREA HAS BETTER OPPORTUNITIES IF YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING SOLID IN NIGERIA, BUT IF YOU ARE EARNING UPTO 400K AND YOU CHOOSE TO TRAVEL; YOU MIGHT REGRET IF YOU DONT HAVE A GREAT SKILL OR PLAN.

YOUR FRIENDS DONT HATE YOU, THEY ARE REGRETING THEIR ACTION & DDONT WANT YOU TO SUFFER. ONCE YOUR IN WITHOUT A GOOD SKILL OR PLAN, THE RAT-RACE BEGINS AND IT IS ENDLESS. YOU CAN EARN AS MUCH AS 3000 CANADIAN DOLLARS AND NOT BE ABLE TO SAFE A DOLLAR EVERY MONTH. TAX WILL TAKE 31%. YOU ARE LEFT WITH 2070 DOLLARS, RENT, UTILITIES, TRANSPORTAND FOOD AND OTHERS CAN TAKE 2000.

Raregem9000:
Find his own way? Remember, we rise by lifting others up. I experienced same thing the poster was saying three years ago. I have a cousin who lives abroad. He has been there for a decade now and i only asked him to just help with an invite while i pay for every money that will be spent and i will work things out when i get there. Note: I'm paying for everything. This my cousin kept on giving me stories like it's not easy there that i shouldn't come. He even said i should use the money i had with me to start a business in Nigeria instead of coming there. I was like why are you still there if it's not easy? I just bone him and block him on every social platforms. A year after, i went to an agent to help on a Canadian Visa but i was duped. I'm looking forward to doing all by myself when i'm ready to go on the adventure again without involving any agent and when the soup is done, i would unblock that my cousin, so that he can see that what he failed to help me with has been achieved.

u didn't meet d right agent.
I have 1...he can help with dat....I dont wanna say more Dan dis

okeysoninv:
people are sharing apartment, so u can as well share. you mustn't live in city center there are suburb . if earn £2k per month and by six months you haven't save up to buy land in Nigeria then something is wrong with you.

Lol! The thread wasn't about whether you can save to buy a land in Nigeria. It's about surviving there first and why people there are hesitant to help.

casualobserver:


Do you have legitimate papers? Are the people you are bringing to the Uk legitimate workers? I am a British citizen, I lived in the Uk for more than 10 years I know the system. The question was whether I would encourage someone to move abroad. I wouldn’t because it is trading one form of suffering for a life of certain perperpual slavery for most who will migrate!!! Particularly if they don’t have papers. Like I said, I was born in The Uk I have a British passport, I am well educated I came home. Yes I miss some of the basics but I don’t regret it. I will never live abroad!!! I will never actively encourage anyone either except your circumstances are so dire but I will also warn you that once you acquire the basics, you will be miserable…..it is not a bed of roses!!’

Damn...you scared the shiit outta me with this. I had to rush to the toilet to recover.

But in my opinion, at least, I should achieve those basics before I die suffering in Nigeria na. Even though I understand your point of view from experience.... Shiit is real tough down here bro

casualobserver:


I am telling you the reality of life abroad for the majority of Nigerians who will japa!!!! I am privileged, I have citizenship, I was a high rate tax payer which means I was considered well off in the Uk but I can back home because there are certain things money can’t buy.

If you can raise the money for a ticket you can raise the money to start and grow a business in Nigeria!!!! Trust me if you are the kind of person that cannot find a business to do in Nigeria with the money it would cost you to move abroad, you are the kind of person that will be stuck in a rut if you move abroad. You are the sort that will find they can’t go forward, can’t go backwards once you get there.

Ticket to from lagos to london is 500k, that's what u want to use to start business in Nigeria? I laff in buhari's style.
From your comment, I absolutely agree with you that u are very privileged. U dont know anything about street life in Naija. You probably came back to a nice apartment in ikoyi, have the right contact and connection to get you the a cool effortless job. everything is at your beck and call.
sorry, we are not talking about people like u. Someone like u shouldnt have left naija in the 1st place. upper class dont relocate anywhere in the world. relocation is mainly a middle class affair- be it africa, china or india. These are the people who needs extra space to see road clearly- something western countries offer.

okeysoninv:
ask them to come back, they will abruptly refuse

so you can laugh at them that they returned empty handed abi?

SIRTee15:


Ticket to from lagos to london is 500k, that's what u want to use to start business in Nigeria? I laff in buhari's style.
From your comment, I absolutely agree with you that u are very privileged. U dont know anything about street life in Naija. You probably came back to a nice apartment in ikoyi, have the right contact and connection to get you the a cool effortless job. everything is at your beck and call.
sorry, we are not talking about people like u. Someone like u shouldnt have left naija in the 1st place. upper class dont relocate anywhere in the world. relocation is mainly a middle class affair- be it africa, china or india. These are the people who needs extra space to see road clearly- something western countries offer.

You are wrong with your narrative. Read what that person you quoted (@casualobserver) wrote. That was the pure truth. I'm sorry, I suspect you haven't lived in any country apart from Nigeria; please do not consider that as derogatory remark. The person you quoted has seen it all, and I can relate to what he's saying.

Originalsly:
@ OP.... if you live in Lagos.... what advice would you give someone who is doing pretty good in the village but wants to sell out and move to Lagos? .... someone who has never been to Lagos before?

I am in Lagos, if the person is doing well in the village he should just remain there because so many people are in lagos because there was nothing for them where are coming from, if all was well I wouldn't be in Lagos. General cost of living is here, the basics things you get cheap in other places are expensive in Lagos.

Nigerians generally sabi hide things

That's why I don't do Ponzi schemes. Any business wey Nigerian man annouce to everybody to benefit from, know say na scam.

Links wey sure and legit them dey hide am.

Just find your way there and surprise them.

okeysoninv:
they want to see it like they are finding it difficult but that's not reality over there. Nigerians are like people that don't want you to over shine them , i.e the reason of all the discouragement.

My dear, a lot of people are finding it difficult over here o, I'm currently in UK so I know what I'm saying. But it's not all bad.

tshtsh:

The internet is your best link not humans. To be fair to them no human being has the power to take you to their host country as you'll still need to subject yourself to an immigration process. Nevertheless I'll tell you a short story.

A friend reached out to me that he had been admitted into a university in toronto and needed a place to stay. His tuition was in the region of $50,000 and he was planning to apply for a student visa with the hope of being able to work and pay the fees. I did not want to discourage him but I knew his plan was not a good one but felt if I told him what I thought he'll think otherwise. I sent him links for one bed apartments in toronto (all starting from $1,800 monthly). He asked if he couldnt get anything cheaper but I told him he could rent a room in someone's apartment for cheaper. His budget was $500 monthly which I couldn't find. He later asked if he could stay in the outskirts and I suggested that he checks the cost of transportation from the outskirts to the city. Rents in the entire greater toronto area are high.
In addition I susggested that he should try and pay his tuition so he can work for his rent/upkeep as no 20 hour a week job will be sufficient to finance a $50k fee. He cut contact with me and told his senior brother I was trying to discourage him from coming.

My reality was that I moved to toronto on a PR not study permit. I had a job offer and someone accommodated me for two weeks. During the two weeks I slept on a couch which was not comfortable but then I was determined not to spend out of the USD10,000 I travelled here with. I opened a bank account and got a credit card with a $4,000 limit. In the third week I paid $1,454 for an AirBnB . I also received my first bi-weekly salary in the third week and have been earning a good income every two Fridays. I later rented my place outside the city jointly with a friend for the time being till I was able to get a credit score which is required to rent an apartment independently.

I reached out to an old friend who had moved to canada 10 years ago with less than a thousand dollars and he told me his canadian girlfriend took a line of credit on his behalf and gave him to pay his fees while he repaid her back when he graduated and started working. But he mentioned that toronto is a much more expensve city than where he studied at.

So again I'll suggest you try to get as much information as possible from the web . The realities may be discouraging but I still feel canada offers a more conducive environment for a young person than nigeria

I will not agree dat d internet is d best link cos wen I was looking for jobs .I was called by 1white lady frm Canada who wanted to fraud me of over $106 n she said since she's not d one issuing the visa d chances are slim.
I had to ask n discovered dat its fraudsters.. But I enjoyed the oyibo voice sha "hello how r u"

Bro, nobody owes u anything,
if u need to leave i beg in the the name of God, make sure its legit, dont overstay ur visa especially if its USA,its getting tough here, and by the time Trump comes back in power , its going to be hell for undocumented immigrants.
EveryOne will tell you, come u will find woman to marry and get ur kpali, but guy even the women don wise up, they are dealing with men , collect money and disapper before interview day and nothing u can do about it. Even honest guys who truly want to settle down are not finding it easy at all not to talk if the ones paying .

If u come in legit, and u have skills, especially IT, guy u wil find job.

You do not owe anyone an explanation or help. A word is enough for the wise, it is rough overseas, let them come and face reality.

luminouz:

Now it's your turn to help me. That's exactly what I heard from reading your post.

Help comes in so many ways my brother. If nah to show you the way to enter and establish yourself, why not. I follow in the footsteps of those who helped me settle down by helping others too in my own little ways. I prayed that God use me for people too, and He did recently with the people that migrated from Ukraine. I am not where I want to be, but I believe I am on the right track and I bless God for that.

So it depends on how you want me to help you, if it is something within my power, why not. If nah, Information, I fit share the one I get, and source for more, and if nah to help you settle down, God go do am. I have a lot of job connections, but housing is a very big problem here sha. I don accommodate two people for my bunk already, but we fit still arrange. But again, you still won't really have accommodation issue if you enter say through a student visa sha