Maynnmann:
You are quoting the bereSHIT in the tanakh, if you sincerely need answers on the tanakh you’d go and meet the Jewish people to explain their BOOK for you in the original language. (god, genesis, light, darkness, good etc are all ENGLISH WORDS)

Maynnmann:

In yoruba mythology it was obatala that created humans and earth, it will be unwise for me to go and meet a jew or a roman to explain who is obatala and yoruba mythology.

budaatum:


First, you do know that there are many sects of Jews with various diverse and different explanations of their book? Which one do you suggest I go to?

Second. This thread is not about "answers on the Tanakh". If anything, it is about 'answers on the Bible', which is not the Tanakh, but even then it is not about answers, yet, but about questions.

And, no, I do not need to go to a Jewish person to explain a book I can read for myself and do my own research about. You would hopefully not tell me to go to a Christian to explain the New Testament to me or to an English person to explain the King James or to Achebe for an explanation of Things unless you want my head to be brainwashed, so why ask me to go get my head brain washed by anyone when I can read for myself and do my own research which would include what Jews might have written if my current focus were "answers on the Tanakh" which it isn't?


Yet, some of us read books about Obatala written by non-yorubas who bothered to do their research because we think it unwise to go and meet anybody anywhere to explain anything to us when we can exercise our own minds and own brains and find understanding for ourselves!

But maybe I lie. Please tell me if all you post was explained to you or is the product of your own research done with your own eyes and your own mind.

Maynnmann:
Logos and rhema are common greek words and it first appeared in the Septuagint to translate dabar(hebrew).

The idea of the logos in Greek thought harks back at least to the 6th-century-BCE philosopher Heraclitus, who discerned in the cosmic process a logos analogous to the reasoning power in humans. Later, the Stoics, philosophers who followed the teachings of the thinker Zeno of Citium (4th–3rd century BCE), defined the logos as an active rational and spiritual principle that permeated all reality. They called the logos providence, nature, god, and the soul of the universe, which is composed of many seminal logoi that are contained in the universal logos. Philo Judaeus (Philo of Alexandria), a 1st-century-CE Jewish philosopher, taught that the logos was the intermediary between God and the cosmos, being both the agent of creation and the agent through which the human mind can apprehend and comprehend God. According to Philo and the Middle Platonists (philosophers who interpreted in religious terms the teachings of Plato), the logos was both immanent in the world and at the same time the transcendent divine mind.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/logos

budaatum:




Sounds pre Septuagint (c. 3rd century BCE) to me.

Maynnmann:

Why you so interested in middle east gods, why not Greek gods like zeus? They also have a book about “beginning” seems that’s what excite you?

Maynnmann:
You are a lover of argument.

budaatum:

I'll tell you. But first a correction to your question, for you really should ask why are we, you Mayn, and I buda both interested in middle East gods. After all, we are both interested.

My interest in not in any god at this particular moment, but in a particular book because that is the underpinning ideology of a large number of those I share a country with, and being one who has an interest in Buddhism, i would have an interest in the books that are of interest to those in my surrounding as taught one should by Buddhism.

Do know that in order to understand the book that is of interest to those in my surrounding, which is the Holy Bible and not the Tanakh, knowledge of Greek philosophy (which is what their gods died and evolved into) is a requisite requirement as is Atum out of Egypt? Yet, one must not stop there unless one's interests is in gods as opposed to an interest in people which is what drives me.

If one's interest is in people, one might end up studying every single religion one can be bothered to invest the time into so one can further understand people instead of one God called the yahweh of the shasu tribe. Still, how I wished we had evolved to talk about 0hilosiohy or science instead of being stuck at 5he religious stage of evolution

Now tell. Why do you have an interest in books about middle east god?


Do you seriously qualify to judge?

No Mayn. I am not a lover of argument, which is why I give up responding to you eventually. What seems like arguing to you is me pointing out that difference but I eventually always accept that you can't see that. See how I am discussing a book that is read by many Nigerians but you think I am talking about a god of the tribe of shasu called yahweh.

kkins25:
Maynnman, you dey all over the place.. You've been repeating your sentences over and over again.

Maynnmann:
Tanakh literally means hebrew Bible.

budaatum:


Does Tanakh mean Holy Bible?

If I read the King James Version of the Holy Bible am I reading the Tanakh too?

Maynnmann:


Yes. If you read the kjv which contains the New Testament and tanakh, you are reading the tanakh.
This are basics, wow!

budaatum:

Perhaps it's impossible for you to get because you think it is basic and therefore requires no effort on your part, but let me try once more.

I am reading the Holy Bible, a book that has been compiled and translated from previous books, and which has gone through numerous rewrites, redacts, additions, translations, syncretisms, omissions, etc etc, etc. Is it not true that the israelites would say that the Holy Bible that I am reading is not the Tanakh about their god of the Israelite yahweh, but some book that was corrupted from their Tanakh?

There's a certain individual called Jesus in the Holy Bible I am reading for instance, but I don't think he exists in the Tanakh, or does he?

It's semantic likely, and a rabbit hole you want to drag me down, but I don't think reading the Holy Bible is the same as reading the Tanakh because, even as you have pointed out, logos might not exactly mean dabar (hebrew).

Maynman:
Why do you need to believe a book?

budaatum:


Your first question should have been, do you believe in a book, but you did what you usually do and created crap in your head to believe without knowing you believe the crap you created in your own head.

No Maynman, I do not believe books nor anything actually. I ask and knock and seek with my own heart and soul and mind and being until I actually know. That's probably why I don't believe your "reading about yahweh of the tribe of shasu". After all, if I were to accept that's what I am reading about I would merely be believing you which buda does not do, and that's apart from the fact that I would be letting your own heart and soul and mind and being do the knocking and seeking and asking for pot.

Cultists are neither pots nor supposed potters.

budaatum:


Your first question should have been, do you believe in a book, but you did what you usually do and created crap in your head to believe without knowing you believe the crap you created in your own head.

No Maynman, I do not believe books nor anything actually. I ask and knock and seek with my own heart and soul and mind and being until I actually know. That's probably why I don't believe your "reading about yahweh of the tribe of shasu". After all, if I were to accept that's what I am reading about I would merely be believing you which buda does not do, and that's apart from the fact that I would be letting your own heart and soul and mind and being do the knocking and seeking and asking for pot.

Cultists are neither pots nor supposed potters.

Maynnmann:

Bud, Who was talking in the psalm 86:2, and who was he talking to?

Maynnmann:
What does “god” mean?

Maynnmann:
And do you believe the verses you quoted talking about “light” “salt” and “gods” from the jewish book(tanakh)?

budaatum:

Psalm 86:2 is a verse from the Psalms allegedly written by numerous people over centuries who are putting words into the mouth of what they call God, so I guess the writers are the one's doing the talking like an artist talks through art. And the art, Psalm 86:2, is talking to the reader just as the Mona Lisa talks to its observer and as I am talking to you the reader of that which I say.


Superpower beings like Superman, Thor, Obatala, some Pharaohs and Caesars and Zeus, and I presume, the yahweh of the tribe of shasu, and for me, you my fellow human being.

It is a very subjectively defined word after all, with everyone creating their god in their own image or according to their own understanding and know how.

For a more comprehensive list see here.


I do not know how many times I have to tell you that buda does not believe, but I do know that one day you will know instead of believing what you want to believe.

Maynnmann:


Okay bud, keep reading “holy bible”

budaatum:


One of my top ten reads, I must say.

Maynnmann:


Bud, Who was talking in the psalm 86:2, and who was he talking to? Who is the “most high” that “gods” are children to?
What does “god” mean, not examples of “god”? What does “most high” mean?
And do you believe the verses you quoted talking about “light” “salt” and “gods” from the jewish book(tanakh)?

budaatum:


I have given you my answers to these questions with references to aid you in your understanding of my answers but it seems my subjective answers do not satisfy you - as they mustn't, mind, which is precisely why each must seek for themselves instead of just accepting the answers one is given.

I am now going to try really very hard from letting you further make me derail this thread.

budaatum:



I am now going to try really very hard from letting you further make me derail this thread.

KnownUnknown:


Maynmann is either insane or a bot. Lol

KnownUnknown:


Maynmann is either insane or a bot. Lol

budaatum:
And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

Maynnmann:
Yahweh the god in the “holy bible” is just the Israelite god.
His parents are El and asheera