Ken4Christ:


See the strong Greek dictionary

And see where “us” was used in the Greek scriptures when directly translated to English.

Revelation 5 v 9
"And they are singing a song new saying Worthy are You to take the scroll and to open the seals of it because You were slain and You purchased to God by the blood of You out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and You have made them to the God of us a kingdom and priests and they will reign upon the earth"

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/5.htm

The way it’s written here, the four living creatures were saying “the God of us”. The four living creatures were acknowledging the One seated on the throne as their God.


This is a totally different context from the popular English bibles you have around today.

See how KJV for example has written a different context, which led you to think the four living creatures were the ones redeemed by the blood.

Revelation 5 v 9 KJV
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


The Scriptures (book of Revelation) was not written originally in English. Go back to the Greek manuscript and translate it directly, so you get the proper context.


Just see how the application of the word “US” in both instances gives different context.

Ken4Christ:


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That being said, the four living creatures can never be “raptured” believers. They are the same four living creatures that Ezekiel saw in his vision in Ezekiel 1.

OkCornel:


And see where “us” was used in the Greek scriptures when directly translated to English.

Revelation 5 v 9
"And they are singing a song new saying Worthy are You to take the scroll and to open the seals of it because You were slain and You purchased to God by the blood of You out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation and You have made them to the God of us a kingdom and priests and they will reign upon the earth"

https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/5.htm

The way it’s written here, the four living creatures were saying “the God of us”. The four living creatures were acknowledging the One seated on the throne as their God.


This is a totally different context from the popular English bibles you have around today.

See how KJV for example has written a different context, which led you to think the four living creatures were the ones redeemed by the blood.

Revelation 5 v 9 KJV
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;


The Scriptures (book of Revelation) was not written originally in English. Go back to the Greek manuscript and translate it directly, so you get the proper context.


Just see how the application of the word “US” in both instances gives different context.

The King James translation is still the most reliable and the most trusted in my over 36 years of Bible study.

I believe they are right because the tribulation saints appeared in Revelation 7. And rapture will happen before tribulation. Faithful saints will not go through the great tribulation.

Ken4Christ:


The King James translation is still the most reliable and the most trusted in my over 36 years of Bible study.

I believe they are right because the tribulation saints appeared in Revelation 7. And rapture will happen before tribulation. Faithful saints will not go through the great tribulation.

The four living creatures are not the “raptured” saints. The four living creatures have always been before the throne of God even before the church was formed. Ezekiel saw the four living creatures in Ezekiel Chapter 1.

The faithful saints will go through the great tribulation. They are the offspring of the woman whom the dragon and the beast would wage war against.

Revelation 13 v 10;
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people

Jesus also said “he that endures to the end shall be saved”

Matthew 24 v 13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

OkCornel:


The four living creatures are not the “raptured” saints. The four living creatures have always been before the throne of God even before the church was formed. Ezekiel saw the four living creatures in Ezekiel Chapter 1.

The faithful saints will go through the great tribulation. They are the offspring of the woman whom the dragon and the beast would wage war against.

Revelation 13 v 10;
10 “If anyone is to go into captivity,
into captivity they will go.
If anyone is to be killed with the sword,
with the sword they will be killed.”
This calls for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of God’s people

Jesus also said “he that endures to the end shall be saved”

Matthew 24 v 13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

All of Matthew 24 is about the Jews and not the church. The present day church was still a mystery at that time.

The faithful saints will not go through the great tribulation.

Ken4Christ:


All of Matthew 24 is about the Jews and not the church. The present day church was still a mystery at that time.

The faithful saints will not go through the great tribulation.

Not true, Matthew 24 talks of Jacob's trouble (persecution of the Jews) and the great tribulation which is a global event.

Jacob's trouble starts with the abomination of desolation. Hence, that's why Jesus admonished the Jews to flee to the mountains;

Matthew 24 v 16-20;
16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.
17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house.
18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak.
19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.

Then it spreads out to a global tribulation of the saints.
Matthew 24 v 21
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Juxtapose Matthew 24 v 21 with Revelation 7 v 9-14;

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,
12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.
13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?
14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

In conclusion, Matthew 24 is a global event. The time of Jacob's trouble (Israel's persecution) would ignite the great tribulation of saints all over the world.

Those who hold onto the testimony of Jesus (the church) would be around for the great tribulation.

Ken4Christ

The church would be very much around during the great tribulation.

Faithful saints (including John) around the world are referred to as those that have the testimony of Jesus.

See Revelation 19 v 10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Those that have the testimony of Jesus (the church) would be around during the great tribulation. The dragon would war against them.

Revelation 12 v 17;
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

OkCornel:
Ken4Christ

The church would be very much around during the great tribulation.

Faithful saints (including John) around the world are referred to as those that have the testimony of Jesus.

See Revelation 19 v 10
And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Those that have the testimony of Jesus (the church) would be around during the great tribulation. The dragon would war against them.

Revelation 12 v 17;
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

I really don't know how to help you understand the chronology of events of the last days. I can only pray that you will understand it one day. I hope to publish a book on this soon. It might be in different volumes. For now Farwell.

Ken4Christ:


I really don't know how to help you understand the chronology of events of the last days. I can only pray that you will understand it one day. I hope to publish a book on this soon. It might be in different volumes. For now Farwell.

It’s in the place of the Spirit of Truth to open everyone’s eyes to what’s written in the Book of Truth (Daniel 10 v 21)

By the way, three things…

1. I found something interesting on the four living creatures, just studying ancient texts to confirm something that came to my attention. I’ll put that there when I’m done researching, this weekend hopefully.

2. I’m putting together a panel on nairaland to discuss eschatology, irrespective of differing view points (millennialists, amillennialists, Preterists etc). Would you be interested?

3. Lastly, have a look at these audiovisual materials (20 minutes thereabouts in total) let me know what your thoughts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvVVcYD-0w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpnIrbq2bKo

OkCornel:


It’s in the place of the Spirit of Truth to open everyone’s eyes to what’s written in the Book of Truth (Daniel 10 v 21)

By the way, three things…

1. I found something interesting on the four living creatures, just studying ancient texts to confirm something that came to my attention. I’ll put that there when I’m done researching, this weekend hopefully.

2. I’m putting together a panel on nairaland to discuss eschatology, irrespective of differing view points (millennialists, amillennialists, Preterists etc). Would you be interested?

3. Lastly, have a look at these audiovisual materials (20 minutes thereabouts in total) let me know what your thoughts.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nvVVcYD-0w


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpnIrbq2bKo

I don't agree with some of the things he said. And I can't explain them now. Just be patient, I believe I should be able to get a book ready on Eschatology before the end of the year. Though, I am trying to round up the publications of about 20 ebooks.

I would be very interested in what people think about this article at

https://www.chinasona.org/Thiaoouba/Jesus-second-coming.html

titled

"Will Jesus Come Back? The Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and What You Need to Do For Preparation"

What do you think about it?