OkCornel:
1. Then you missed the point altogether. Was the 7 churches in Asia Minor made up of Jews only?

2. Why did John call all faithful believers in these churches to be Priests in Revelation 1 v 6?

1. I didn't miss your point. I simply choose not to be confused by the meaningless things here is all .

I was not there 2000 years ago and so cannot assume the make-up of the churches. However, I can note instead the audience of the letters written by John to each of the churches.

2. John never called all faithful believers in the church to be priests... instead it is quite clear from the context that John instead referred to the sinners who Jesus Christ called - those of the lost sheep of Israel that He came for - and made free from their sins by his blood sacrifice, as priests. This is a simple matter of comprehension abeg!

Kobojunkie:
1. I didn't miss your point. I simply choose not to be confused by the meaningless things here is all .

I was not there 2000 years ago and so cannot assume the make-up of the churches. However, I can note instead the audience of the letters written by John to each of the churches.

2. John never called all faithful believers in the church to be priests... instead it is quite clear from the context that John instead referred to the sinners who Jesus Christ called - those of the lost sheep of Israel that He came for - and made free from their sins by his blood sacrifice, as priests. This is a simple matter of comprehension abeg!

1. Where exactly in Revelation 1 v 6 did John call only Jewish believers to be priests of God?

2. See Jesus’ promise to the faithful believers church in Thyatira; was it only for the Jewish believers in that church?

Revelation 2 v 26-27;
26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—

27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ just as I have received authority from my Father.

3. See the attributes of the partakers of the first resurrection;

Revelation 20 v 4-5;
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

Kobojunkie, is it only Jewish believers that are killed for their testimony of Jesus? Is it only Jewish believers that’ll reject the mark of the beast?

Pay attention to the fonts bolded in red (Christ’s promise to the Thyatira church vis a vis the believers who’ll reign with Christ). Tell us Christ was only referring to Jewish believers in Thyatira, lmao.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, the actual makeup of the church itself is not of importance. What is instead of importance is the audience of the message from John to the church and that audience happens to be a Jewish one going by the content of his letter from almost 2000 years ago.

2. YES! Jesus Christ's blood paid the sin debt they owed to God's Old Law, and as such they were redeemed from the Old Law by the blood of Jesus Christ - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30. Those of us in the New Covenant have to stand faithful until the end before we can experience redemption in Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law - Matthew 24 vs 12- 13 & Mark 13 vs 13

3. God Himself made the Promise of priesthood only to those who were born Israelites in Exodus 19 vs 6. He never changed nor revoked that promise which He made only to those of the blood of israel.

4. Clearly "us" applies to those who were made free from sin by the blood of Jesus Christ, those who were redeemed/bought by His blood - the Jewish Christians.

You just told a barefaced lie there, sorry to be blunt. Only Jewish believers were redeemed by the blood of Jesus? Really?

OkCornel:
You just told a barefaced lie there, sorry to be blunt. Only Jewish believers were redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Really?

It is a lie because you say it is a lie?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, the actual makeup of the church itself is not of importance. What is instead of importance is the audience of the message from John to the church and that audience happens to be a Jewish one going by the content of his letter from almost 2000 years ago.

2. YES! Jesus Christ's blood paid the sin debt they owed to God's Old Law, and as such they were redeemed from the Old Law by the blood of Jesus Christ - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30. Those of us in the New Covenant have to stand faithful until the end before we can experience redemption in Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law - Matthew 24 vs 12- 13 & Mark 13 vs 13

3. God Himself made the Promise of priesthood only to those who were born Israelites in Exodus 19 vs 6. He never changed nor revoked that promise which He made only to those of the blood of israel.

4. Clearly "us" applies to those who were made free from sin by the blood of Jesus Christ, those who were redeemed/bought by His blood - the Jewish Christians.

The actual make up of the church is very important. It was made up of Jews and Gentiles which John called the priests who’ll serve God forever in Revelation 1 v 6

Basic comprehension Kobojunkie, if Paul’s primary audience is the Jewish believers in Ephesus, how does the pronoun “You” refer to strangers of the covenant and aliens of the common wealth of Israel?

Why is the pronoun “You” rather than “them” used by Paul to describe Ephesians as Gentiles in the flesh?

Straightforward comprehension.

Kobojunkie:
It is a lie because you say it is a lie?

It’s a lie because Ephesians 2 v 11-13 proves the Gentiles were also redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Not just Jewish believers.


11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)

12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.

13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

OkCornel:
1. Where exactly in Revelation 1 v 6 did John call only Jewish believers to be priests of God?
2. See Jesus’ promise to the faithful believers church in Thyatira; was it only for the Jewish believers in that church?
Revelation 2 v 26-27;
26 To the one who is victorious and does my will to the end, I will give authority over the nations—
27 that one ‘will rule them with an iron scepter and will dash them to pieces like pottery’ just as I have received authority from my Father.
3. See the attributes of the partakers of the first resurrection;
Revelation 20 v 4-5;
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection.

4. is it only Jewish believers that are killed for their testimony of Jesus? Is it only Jewish believers that’ll reject the mark of the beast?

2. We already touched on the content of this letter, remember?

6 He says, “I have chosen this man to be king, and he will rule on Zion, my holy mountain.”
7 Let me tell you about the Lord’s agreement: He said to me, “Today I have become your father, and you are my son.
8 If you ask, I will give you the nations. Everyone on earth will be yours.
9 You will rule over them with great power. You will scatter your enemies like broken pieces of pottery!” - Psalms 2 vs 6 - 9

While we are at this, I am just curious about something. Are you by some chance assuming the promise made to the seven churches somehow also applies to you?

3. And in verse 6, you are clearly told that those who share in the first resurrection are those who are God's holy people - the elect, and the priests selected by God. So?

4. It doesn't say that only Jewish believers were killed, but it does state that those who will partake are God's holy people, and that promise, for the umpteenth time, was made by God to the Israelites.

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A better way to attempt to refute the claims I have made is to show where God Himself made these promises you keep pointing out to those of gentile descent rather than only the Jews.

OkCornel:
It’s a lie because Ephesians 2 v 11-13 proves the Gentiles were also redeemed by the blood of Jesus. Not just Jewish believers

Ephesians 2 proves nothing order than show that parts of the letter also addressed gentile concerns.

Paul's opinion means absolutely nothing were that which is of God's Covenant is concerned, and I know you know this too. What matters is God's Word regarding these things.

OkCornel:
Basic comprehension Kobojunkie, if Paul’s primary audience is the Jewish believers in Ephesus, how does the pronoun “You” refer to strangers of the covenant and aliens of the common wealth of Israel?

Why is the pronoun “You” rather than “them” used by Paul to describe Ephesians as Gentiles in the flesh?

Straightforward comprehension.

Huh?

OkCornel:
The actual make up of the church is very important. It was made up of Jews and Gentiles which John called the priests who’ll serve God forever in Revelation 1 v 6

Again, John is not God. God Himself made the promise of the priesthood, and this promise He gave only to those of Jewish blood from the time of Moses.

Stop trying to pretend John and Paul can somehow usurp God in these things. Stop trying to play them against God.

Kobojunkie:
2. We already touched on the content of this letter, remember?

While we are at this, I am just curious about something. Are you by some chance assuming the promise made to the seven churches somehow also applies to you?

3. And in verse 6, you are clearly told that those who share in the first resurrection are those who are God's holy people - the elect, and the priests selected by God. So?

4. It doesn't say that only Jewish believers were killed, but it does state that those who will partake are God's holy people, and that promise, for the umpteenth time, was made by God to the Israelites.

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A better way to attempt to refute the claims I have made is to show where God Himself made these promises you keep pointing out to those of gentile descent rather than only the Jews.

Hahahaha, Kobojunkie is telling us gentiles redeemed by the blood of Jesus are not part of God’s holy people, but only Israel is God’s holy people under a priesthood already annulled?

Hebrews 7 v 18-19;
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

Kobojunkie:
Again, John is not God. God Himself made the promise of the priesthood, and this promise He gave only to those of Jewish blood from the time of Moses.

Stop trying to pretend John and Paul can somehow usurp God in these things. Stop trying to play them against God.

Please show us where Jesus mentioned the promise of Priesthood and believers ruling alongside him is just for Jewish believers only.

Where in the book of Revelation?

How can a gentile redeemed by the blood of Christ not be God’s holy person?

OkCornel:
1. Hahahaha, Kobojunkie is telling us gentiles redeemed by the blood of Jesus are not part of God’s holy people, but only Israel is God’s holy people under a priesthood already annulled?

Hebrews 7 v 18-19;
18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

1. Jesus Christ made it absolutely clear in His Gospel that redemption await us only if we stand faithful until the end... not before that - Matthew 24 vs 12- 13 & Mark 13 vs 13

2. Can you guess who the primary audience of the letter to the Hebrews is?

Gentiles were never under the Old Covenant Law of Moses which is referenced in the passage you quoted - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

The primary audience addressed with the pronoun “You” throughout the book of Ephesians, are they Gentiles or Jews?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ made it absolutely clear in His Gospel that redemption await us only if we stand faithful until the end... not before that - Matthew 24 vs 12- 13 & Mark 13 vs 13

2. Can you guess who the primary audience of the letter to the Hebrews is?

Gentiles were never under the Old Covenant Law of Moses which is referenced in the passage you quoted - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

Still beating around the bush, is the levitical priesthood and the old covenant still in force or not? That’s the point in Hebrews 7 v 18-19? Hmmm?

OkCornel:
The primary audience addressed with the pronoun “You” throughout the book of Ephesians, are they Gentiles or Jews?

Your question makes no sense at all. If the context was, say, Ephesians 2 vs 11 - 12 were paul clearly redirects to addressing gentiles who would "you" be in reference to?

OkCornel:
Still beating around the bush, is the levitical priesthood and the old covenant still in force or not? That’s the point in Hebrews 7 v 18-19? Hmmm?

Beating about what bush?

God told you that His Old Covenant is an everlasting Covenant which He made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20... Jesus Christ even affirmed this in Matthew 5 vs 17 - 19. So why do you not trust the Words of God? Why do you instead think that the Old Covenant, along with all its systems, has been done away with?

Kobojunkie:
2. We already touched on the content of this letter, remember?

While we are at this, I am just curious about something. Are you by some chance assuming the promise made to the seven churches somehow also applies to you?

3. And in verse 6, you are clearly told that those who share in the first resurrection are those who are God's holy people - the elect, and the priests selected by God. So?

4. It doesn't say that only Jewish believers were killed, but it does state that those who will partake are God's holy people, and that promise, for the umpteenth time, was made by God to the Israelites.

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A better way to attempt to refute the claims I have made is to show where God Himself made these promises you keep pointing out to those of gentile descent rather than only the Jews.

3. Is it only Jewish believers that were killed for their testimony about Jesus? Are they the only ones to resist the mark of the beast?

In Revelation 2 v 6-7, the promise Jesus made to the faithful believers of the Thyatira church that they’ll have authority over the nations, was Jesus referring to Jewish believers only?

OkCornel:
3. Is it only Jewish believers that were killed for their testimony about Jesus? Are they the only ones to resist the mark of the beast?

In Revelation 2 v 6-7, the promise Jesus made to the faithful believers of the Thyatira church that they’ll have authority over the nations, was Jesus referring to Jewish believers only?

3. Again, the context clearly tells you that the ones referred to are God's holy people, His royal priesthood.., they are those who john wrote and will be a part of the first resurrection.

Well, since that letter was addressed to those of the Thyatira Church as is, there isn't much I can say of it except indicating what is written.

Kobojunkie:
Beating about what bush?

God told you that His Old Covenant is an everlasting Covenant which He made with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20... why do you not believe God? Why do you instead think that the Old Covenant, along with all its systems, has been done away with?

Ephesians 3 v 6 says Gentiles are now FELLOWHEIRS and partakers of that promise.

6 This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israe[/b]l, members together of one body, and [b]sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus

To your second question read Galatians 2 v 24-31

Kobojunkie:
3. Again, the context clearly tells you that the ones referred to are God's holy people, His royal priesthood.., they are those who john wrote and will be a part of the first resurrection.

Well, since that letter was addressed to those of the Thyatira Church as is, there isn't much I can say of it except indicating what is written.

And your point is Gentiles redeemed by the blood of Christ are not holy enough to be considered among God’s holy people?

I’m coming.

OkCornel:
To your second question read Galatians 2 v 24-31

Check the reference again.

OkCornel:
And your point is Gentiles redeemed by the blood of Christ are not holy enough to be considered among God’s holy people?

I’m coming.

There are no gentiles redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ. So I am not certain where you get the above point you attribute to my person from.

Revelation 5 v 9-10;

9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

Kobojunkie, kindly explain the persons from every tribe and language purchased for God by the blood of the lamb, to serve as God’s priests and reign over the earth.

FYI tctrills

Kobojunkie:
There are no gentiles redeemed by the blood of Jesus Christ. So I am not certain where you get the above point you attribute to my person from.

Read Revelation 5 v 9-10.
Only Jews would be redeemed from EVERY TRIBE & LANGUAGE to serve as God’s priests and reign over the earth right?

Kobojunkie, perhaps we should also have a look at Revelation 7 v 9-10 & 13-14 too.

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence

FYI tctrills

OkCornel:
Revelation 5 v 9-10;

9 And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll and to open its seals because you were slain, and with your blood you purchased for God persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God, and they will reign on the earth.”

Kobojunkie, kindly explain the persons from every tribe and language purchased for God by the blood of the lamb, to serve as God’s priests and reign over the earth.

They are the same one's Isaiah told you of in Isaiah 60 that will come from every nation and every tongue on the earth, the sons and daughters of Israel... returned to Israel.

1. “Jerusalem, get up and shine! Your Light is coming! The Glory of the Lord will shine on you.
2 Darkness now covers the earth, and the people are in darkness. But the Lord will shine on you, and his Glory will appear over you.
3 Then the nations will come to your light. Kings will come to your bright sunrise.
4 Look around you! See all the people gathering around. Those are your sons coming from far away, and your daughters are there beside them.
5 “At that time you will see your people, and your faces will shine with happiness. First, you will be afraid, but then you will be excited. All the riches from across the seas will be set before you. The riches of the nations will come to you. - Isaiah 60 vs 1 - 5

OkCornel:
Kobojunkie, perhaps we should also have a look at Revelation 7 v 9-10 & 13-14 too.

All those references are to the same people... The same ones Isaiah wrote of to return back to Jerusalem from all Nations.

Kobojunkie:
All those references are to the same people... The same ones Isaiah wrote of to return back to Jerusalem from all Nations.

Zero correlation. You earlier admitted not only Jews would be killed in the great tribulation. However in Revelation 7 v 9-10 & 13-14, it clearly mentioned the multitude is every believer that came out of the great tribulation, and this multitude will serve God day and night in his temple.

Are you now telling us the multitude which represents saints that came out of the great tribulation are only Jews?

Is this a joke?

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

10 And they cried out in a loud voice:
“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”

13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “THESE ARE THOSE THAT CAME OUT OF THE GREAT TRIBULATION; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15 Therefore,
“they are before the throne of God
and serve him day and night in his temple;
and he who sits on the throne
will shelter them with his presence

Kobojunkie:
All those references are to the same people... The same ones Isaiah wrote of to return back to Jerusalem from all Nations.

I disagree, John’s vision relates to events that’ll happen in heaven.

Isaiah’s prophecy relates to events that’ll happen on earth at the start of the millennial reign of Christ.