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cornelboy:
Seems you have a lot of unanswered questions. Before I proceed, I want to ask you a question;
Which sounds more reasonable, the big bang theory/evolution or a mastermind behind creation?

Maynmann:
But you worship baldheads in watchtower, and without these old men, you and your family are condemned.

Templee333:
nnawa-o

cornelboy:
Seems you have a lot of unanswered questions.

Before I proceed, I want to ask you a question;
Which sounds more reasonable, the big bang theory/evolution or a mastermind behind creation?

Wilgrea7:
I don't go by what sounds “reasonable".. i go by what can, or has been proven to be true.
The big bang and evolution are not things based on belief. They are things based on fact.. and they have a lot of proof behind them.
That being said, they don't answer everything. Their answers are limited to an extent. And we're still trying to understand things about our reality.
If you want to go by “reasonable"... you'll be misled... Greatly.
Seeing the sun rising from the east and setting in the west.. it seemed more reasonable to say that the sun revolved around the earth. That was proven to be wrong.
Merely looking straight ahead, or over the horizon, it seems “reasonable" to say that the earth was flat. Our early ancestors believed that. But they were wrong.
Don't seek for what is “reasonable" because that is highly subjective. Seek for what is true

cornelboy:
How's the evolution theory and bigbang facts exactly?
Where are the testable evidences for them? You've got some CCTV footage of how it happened?

cornelby:
How's the evolution theory and bigbang facts exactly?
Where are the testable evidences for them? You've got some CCTV footage of how it happened?

iamyungkhalifa:
thank you jo this people dont know anything they are living their lifes on science. Am sure if i tell them a man once shut up the heaven and did not let rain to fall for three and a half years . They will argue too. am talking of elijah. And if they also want to based every thing on facts . They should briefly explain the handwritting on the walls in the book of daniel and how king nebuchadnezzar also went to the to be with the beasts of the field in the wilderness and eat grass like an oxen without dying. Am sure nobody could eat stubborn grass right?

iamyungkhalifa:
thank you jo this people dont know anything they are living their lifes on science. Am sure if i tell them a man once shut up the heaven and did not let rain to fall for three and a half years . They will argue too. am talking of elijah. And if they also want to based every thing on facts . They should briefly explain the handwritting on the walls in the book of daniel and how king nebuchadnezzar also went to the to be with the beasts of the field in the wilderness and eat grass like an oxen without dying. Am sure nobody could eat stubborn grass right?

Wilgrea7:
Do you believe that Muhammad split the moon in two? Or rode on a flying horse?

Do you believe that thunder happens when Thor strikes his hammer?

Do you believe that Krishna once held up a mountain with his finger?

If you don't believe any of these things.. then you'll understand why we don't believe the claims you've just made

iamyungkhalifa:
can you see where the devil has tricked you . You are comparing what happened in history to nollywood movies. Abeg where did mohammed split the moon. ? Doctrines from the pitch of hell. Keep it up when the time comes there wont be change of heart again . And he that is not found wanting we be cast into the lake of fire.

Maynmann:
Rather base my life on Science than on Beliefs and Random books written by UNKNOWN AUTHORS.
Episteme over Doxa!

iamyungkhalifa:
okay but did you know where science originated from

Wilgrea7:
You seem to be a huge fan of CCTV footages.
Before I continue.. It's important to know what these theories actually say.
The big bang posits that the universe, as in space, matter and time as we know it, began about 14 billion years ago, from a point of infinite density.
What proofs do we have? We have the CMB, or cosmic microwave background, which shows the aftermath of the heat of the early hot and dense universe.
We also have information from our telescopes that show the galaxies are moving apart from each other. Turn back the arrow of time, and you bring the galaxies closer together.. till you get to the scenario similar to the big bang..
Evolution.. is the gradual adaptation of an organism to its environment. Not the idea that man came from apes... Even though evolution is a time intensive process, we've seen the gradual changes organisms undergo in response to their environment. And archeological data further confirms it.
Now... There's something else I'd like to point out. Something I've seen a lot of theists do.
When they don't want to accept these facts.. or find some flaw in their evaluation.. they automatically take it to mean that the biblical or Quranic creation stories are true. There is absolutely no correlation
Even if you were to be successfully disprove the big bang and evolution (good luck with that).. it does absolutely nothing, to show that your biblical creation story indeed happened. It would only show that we simply do not know that which we thought we knew.
In order to say your biblical creation story were true .. you would need to prove it. Disproving something else does not automatically prove your own argument.
And in a sarcastic attempt to flip your question back at you... I'll ask "Do you have CCTV footage of how your creation story happened"??

Maynmann:
But you worship 8 baldheads in watchtower, and without these old men, you and your family are condemned.
Fabricators of baldheads worshippers basing their lives on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS, their masters in watchtower even went a step further to create their own VERSION of the book specially meant for discrete slaves and fallen watchers

cornelboy:
14 millions years ago is really like eternity.

Everything you say are just speculations. Nobody saw how the big bang happened and no testable evidence for it today and there can never be.

About the creation story in the Bible, there's no CCTV footage for it but there's obviously a written record.

I'll ask you again;
This earth as it is, was it designed by someone intelligent, a God or everything happened randomly?

cornelboy:
14 millions years ago is really like eternity.
Everything you say are just speculations. Nobody saw how the bigbang happened and no testable evidence for it today and there can never be.

About the creation story in the Bible, there's no CCTV footage for it but there's obviously a written record.

I'll ask you again;
This earth as it is, was it designed by someone intelligent, a God or everything happened randomly?

Janosky:
Secular history confirm the authenticity of the holy scriptures , many times over.

Did Atheism begin from Maynmann?
Maynmann Continue in your folly.
While you follow philosophies of imperfect
men -Frederick Nietsche , Russell the Mathematician ,Matthias Knutsen and Karl Max etc.

Janosky:
Did he see his great great great great grandfather?
But he is convinced he exists.
But he wants to see God before being convinced, no be juju be that?

Wilgrea7:
Ok then.. please show me where your God created the universe in 6 days.. please show me where the sun stood still for joshua . Please show me where your Jesus turned water into wine or walked on water.. or multiplied 5 loaves of bread and 2 fishes

Just as you reject the claims of other religions.. i reject the claims of yours. If you want me to believe your claims.. then you have to prove it.

If you're going to reference your bible.. I could just as easily reference the Quran or the Vedas. Show me real proof, not mere writings made by some people a couple thousand years ago with no evidence behind them

iamyungkhalifa:
am not to argue because i have also read other books too but do you realised that at the name of jesus all other knees bow down. And all other spirits are always frightnened at the names including the devil . Devil self is dare not joke with the name , but he is destroying u pple life by playing WITH The sacred name of JESUS.

Billions

I just made reference to the data we've seen that proves these things happened, and you're still saying they're just "speculations". Did you bother to read up on these things, or are you one of those science deniers too. You choosing not to engage with the data, or choosing to deny it, won't change the fact of reality.

Written record of what exactly? Did the person who wrote it down directly experience the creation process? What about other stories of creation found in other religions? What automatically makes theirs false and yours true?

That's a false dichotomy. It is not a "God" or "random explosion" scenario.

Janosky:
Did he see his great great great great grandfather?
But he is convinced he exists.
But he wants to see God before being convinced, no be juju be that?

cornelboy:
14 millions years ago is really like eternity.
Everything you say are just speculations. Nobody saw how the bigbang happened and no testable evidence for it today and there can never be.

About the creation story in the Bible, there's no CCTV footage for it but there's obviously a written record.

I'll ask you again;
This earth as it is, was it designed by someone intelligent, a God or everything happened randomly?

cornelboy:
Or do you have more options to the question? A "I don't know" answer wouldn't be relevant here.

cornelboy:
That's crazy. Claiming to know what happened 14 billions of years ago is like predicting the future.

Lol. Are you kidding me? What did you reference exactly?
You didn't even cite or referenced any source.

You should also bring some kind of video that shows how the bigbang happened.

The author didn't experience it but was inspired by the creator.

Bring the stories in other religions. We can examine them together.

Here is my question again;
You as an intelligent human being, using the evidences of what you see around, how the earth is organised, did everything happen randomly or was it designed by an intelligent being?

Or do you have more options to the question? A "I don't know" answer wouldn't be relevant here.

MaxInDHouse:
Objection!

You can't ask a question and still dictate how the response should be!

No mind am jàre Wilgrea7, answer yanna-yanna as usual we are getting used to it!

What baffles me is how they think they're in anyway smarter than Bible students.

There has never been any renown atheists that's black if you ask all these moro.ns to name the atheists they know it's always white white white yet they're claiming they've escaped the slavery under colonialism.

Whether they like it or not the white man leads in all schools of thought so a wise person only need to find out which is yielding positive results not just arguments because the whiteman knows the best way to present his arguments in order to beat the blackman's intelligence!

Wilgrea7:
This is a false accusation, and an obvious lie. No one ever claimed to be smarter than bible students. I say this with all due disrespect, but you're incredibly, and disgustingly racist. For someone who claims to belong to a community with "no racism" it's hypocritical and quite pathetic that you would say something like this. Black man's intelligence? White man's arguments? What the actual fuc..k?? Knowledge is not confined to race. And atheism is not a religion. We don't try to emulate anybody. We simply lack the belief in a god. So your statement about renown atheists makes zero sense. The fact that you can parrot a damaging narrative like this, and come back to claim JWs are free from racism, is appalling. This is the second time your intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy have been exposed.

Wilgrea7:
We know what happened in the past based on the data the past left behind. This isn't rocket science.



Oh.. my bad.... If you wanted links, you could've just asked for them.

This one talks about the big bang
https://www.space.com/13347-big-bang-origins-universe-birth.html

And this one talks about evolution
https://necsi.edu/evolution




This is as illogical as me asking you for video proof of the creation story.



And how exactly do you know this? What proof do you have that the author wasn't lying about the inspiration? Or rather, what proof do you have that the author was indeed inspired?



You're missing the point. It's not about comparing different stories to see which is "better". It's about facing reality. If you want to verify if a story is true, compare it with reality, not with other stories.

Superman may be more powerful than other mythical superheroes.. That doesn't make him real.




If someone doesn't know something, it is perfectly ok to say "I don't know". That is intellectual honesty. The problem is claiming to know and failing to prove it.

That being said, the intricacy of the universe, down to the subatomic scale denotes an enormous level of complexity, which can be associated with intelligence. What exactly is your point here?