kingxsamz:

Or is there anywhere in history where it was written that dry skeleton bones gained flesh and started walking around the city?

But same can be said about the bible nw?

cornelboy:

Lol
You guys (athiests) are the most unintelligent and lazy people I have met.

Where did the Bible say that the "flesh and bone" vision was a real event?

Have you ever read the Bible or you just hear your fellow unintelligent athiests say stuffs about the Bible and you believe without checking the facts yourself?

Cornelboy: Athiest mumu die.
The writers of the Bible clearly wrote their books as true events

cornelboy:


Not everyone is an athiest.

"Dry bones rising, a man dividing the sea, stick turning to snakes, someone dying, resurrecting and ascending into the sky, donkey talking and the earth being made to stop rotating for three days so Moses can win a war"

cornelboy:

Not everyone is an athiest.

cornelboy:


MaxinDhouse was a Muslim but ended up being a Christian (JW) after examining the Bible.

So if you did examine the Bible and ended up being an athiest, that means you both saw something different and one of you is right.

Whether a book is authentic or forged, true or false, it could only be determined by using the book itself.

If the book claims that everything written in it is true but there are evidences that shows that everything in it is not the true, the book shouldn't be trusted.

How do we know trusted and tested external sources?

The writings of the historians would also be recorded in books. So how does that really help?
Are you trying to say that if three or more historians (witnesses) write something about the same event, that would make it true?

Are they not external sources that prove that the Bible is true?

Now you can bring your external sources that proves that the Bible is forged or fake. Let's examine them.

kingxsamz:

When you've finally found what part of history corroborates these cock and bull stories below, let me know.

kingxsamz:

So dry bones rising, a man dividing the sea, stick turning to snakes, someone dying, resurrecting and ascending into the sky, donkey talking and the earth being made to stop rotating for three days so Moses can win a war were never portrayed as real events in the bible?
Or is there anywhere in history where it's written that any of these stories happened?
No be you talk this one before? Now you wan change mouth.

cornelboy:

The creator of the universe can make anything happen.

Wilgrea7:

Good for him
Examining the bible isn't the sole reason I became an atheist.. But it was certainly the starting point.
I disagree. That's the circular reasoning i was talking about.
Now we're speaking the same language.
Yeah.. Good question. Depends on the nature of the source, or the type of the source. I can't really give a general answer here.
If two or more historians independently report the same thing, it makes a stronger case for the truth of that thing. Doesn't mean its necessarily true. Discerning truth from alleged past events or writings is often a very tricky thing.
What do you mean by "prove that the bible is true". The bible is a collection of books. The fact that one book was proven to be true, does not mean the entire bible is automatically true. Even proving one book to be true is not as straightforward as it seems. Let me explain.
Let's say I write a book about the 46th President of the united states.. I say his name is Joe Biden, and that he has a blue cat named mittens who could fly.
Outside sources could in fact confirm that he is the 46th president of the states... but that does not automatically mean the story of the blue cat who can fly is true. So the idea of "proving a book in the bible" is not really one that holds that much water. Each claim made has to be examined individually, not collectively.
I never said the bible was forged... or fake

cornelboy:

Why did you turn an athiest?

cornelboy:

Why did you turn an athiest?

cornelboy:

The forty years wandering was a punishment for them.

MaxInDHouse:


From all his past posts he's been saying he's not an atheist but after Maximus has given him spiritual blows right, left, back, front and center to he's now fully convinced that he is an atheist!

Wilgrea7:


You guys have called me an atheist so many times here... I've just gone along with it. Besides, there's absolutely nothing wrong with being called an atheist. It's not something I find offensive in the slightest.

The reason I didn't like to call myself one, was because the vast majority of people, think atheists believe that there is no god, or that god does not exist. Which isn't really the meaning of it.

Atheism is simply the lack of belief, that a God exists, rather than saying affirmatively that a god does not exist. It's the difference between saying "I don't believe there is a pink dragon" and saying "a pink dragon does NOT exist".

But being the genius that you are Maximus, I'm sure you'll ignore everything I've just said and make another wild claim or accusation.
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Oh dang it.. I mentioned you again

FOLYKAZE:

The whole exodus account is fairy tale

Wilgrea7:

I didn't move from theism to atheism just like that. It was first from fundamentalist Christian, to liberal christian, to christian deist, to athesit/agnostic. And no, it's not because I hate "God".
I asked questions. Lots, and lots of them. And I seeked for the answers, not just from the Christian perspective, but from the perspective of other religions.
I read parts of the Holy books of Sikhism and Buddhism. I read several apocryphal "gospels". I looked at the history and the formation of the Christian, as well as the Jewish beliefs... And then I looked far before that. I compared what I know, with the real world. I examined things for what they were, rather than what I wanted them to be.
And that's how I ended up here.

cornelboy:

That's your opinion.
They were true history of the Israelites.

FOLYKAZE:

Hahahaha
True stories like the Vampire movies

cornelboy:

Do the Israelites claim the same thing?
It's probably an athiest like you that wrote that article you screenshot.

FOLYKAZE:

Below is from the Jewish website....
The exodus is fairy tale

MaxInDHouse:


Atheists are everywhere so if a Jew becomes an atheist it doesn't mean all Jews are atheists!

cornelboy:

What are the questions you asked and never got the answers?

FOLYKAZE:

Bedtime fairies are believed by children and adults alike. This doesn't mean all sane human uphold the exodus as objective truth without any archaeological or textual evidence

MaxInDHouse:

Good!
So it depends on each person's viewpoint not what anyone say!

FOLYKAZE:

Wilgrea7:

I didn't say I never got answers... Actually I got a lot of answers.. and i compared them with each other... My deconversion wasn't a case of unanswered questions.
Like I said earlier.. i looked at things from multiple perspectives.. and not just the Christian one. So if i ask a question.. I'm not asking just the Christians.. I'm asking the Muslims.. Buddhists.. spiritualists.. scientists and so on

FOLYKAZE:

Below is from the Jewish website....
The exodus is fairy tale

Wilgrea7:


I didn't say I never got answers... Actually I got a lot of answers.. and i compared them with each other... My deconversion wasn't a case of unanswered questions.

Like I said earlier.. i looked at things from multiple perspectives.. and not just the Christian one. So if i ask a question.. I'm not asking just the Christians.. I'm asking the Muslims.. Buddhists.. spiritualists.. scientists and so on

cornelboy:

So why are you in this religion thread?

cornelboy:

So why are you in this religion thread?

oteneaaron:


Such a curious and eclectic mind!

If I may ask, did you notice any synergy in the answers you got from these different sources?

Cos from my own personal journey, I have noticed that it is almost as if there is a central theme when you take a wholistic look at different religions and even science.

I would like to hear your thoughts.

cornelboy:

The creator is powerful enough to do anything.