Ibime:


Germany cancelled certification of Nordstream 2 at the start of the war so that was the context of that statement which you are trying to twist to fit the bombing




UK prices capped at £2.5k per annum for a typical household usage by new Prime Minister. My usage is more than the typical household but I had already fixed mine at the start of the war at a rate lower than the Govt rate. Ontop that, Govt is giving everyone £400 off their bills from October which means I will pay less than £2k for the next 12 months, about the same as I paid last year. UK does not use Russian gas even before the war, we are only subject to the price of American LNG

are you going to cap for the globalist idiots like sheep all your life?

it was bombed, it was sabotaged. and Biden and Nolan have earlier said they will take out that pipeline. it was not a natural leak because evidence has ruled that out and points to sabotage.

tomorrow if they vote for someone else you will shout nazi. protest has started in Germany over that pipeline
https://twitter.com/berningman16/status/1574935116496838656?s=20&t=lFuPU4cBR_cWzl0-2YcfTw

there are many things the Russians may target in response. one is the Internet cable under the water. this is a difficult and unpredictable situation.

benalvino3:


are you going to cap for the globalist idiots like sheep all your life?

it was bombed, it was sabotaged. and Biden and Nolan have earlier said they will take out that pipeline. it was not a natural leak because evidence has ruled that out and points to sabotage.

As usual, you blockhead have been to your far right sources to watch snippets out of context and have your dim-witted brains filled with propaganda. Of course Biden was referring to sanctions which he did. One day you argue Biden allowed Nordstream 2, next day you argue that Biden bombed Nordstream 2.

Nuland was responding to Ted Cruz who asked if she will support his bill to ban Nordstream 2 permanently. She did not want to commit to his bill which is foolish and takes away both executive privilege over Nordstream 2 and Germany's right of say over Nordstream 2, plus forever takes Nordstream 2 off the table as a negotiating chip with Russia. So she told him not to worry that Nordstream 2 will never come back while he kept pressing her to support permanent ban of Nordstream 2. Of course she was referring to sanctions and the Germans not tolerating Russian behaviour in Ukraine..

USA is not a rogue state that will attack infrastructure owned by its allies. You must be new to Russian psychological tricks. This is a message to Europe that none of their pipelines are safe and Norwegian pipeline is under threat, in keeping with their stated aim to freeze Europe this winter, and let them know all bets are off if they continue to support Ukraine



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmPHA3honBw

benalvino3:


are you going to cap for the globalist idiots like sheep all your life?

it was bombed, it was sabotaged. and Biden and Nolan have earlier said they will take out that pipeline. it was not a natural leak because evidence has ruled that out and points to sabotage.

Saying he would stop the nordstream pipelines means he would bomb the pipeline?

If Trump days "I grab dem by the pussy", you say it's locker room talk, if he says "fight like hell to take back our country", you will say he meant peaceful protest, but Biden says he will stop the nordstream project, you say he meant he will bomb the nordstream pipelines.

Tucker Carlson has concluded that the Nordstrom pipe bursts was ordered directly by Biden and called for his prosecution without any evidence, even before investigations began on what truly happened.

wirinet:


Saying he would stop the nordstream pipelines means he would bomb the pipeline?

If Trump days "I grab dem by the pussy", you say it's locker room talk, if he says "fight like hell to take back our country", you will say he meant peaceful protest, but Biden says he will stop the nordstream project, you say he meant he will bomb the nordstream pipelines.

Tucker Carlson has concluded that the Nordstrom pipe bursts was ordered directly by Biden and called for his prosecution without any evidence, even before investigations began on what truly happened.

quote tucker saying what you just claimed. I will wait.

Biden in is out words said there will be no Nordstream 2 and he promise they can take it out. he cannot control Germany to stop using the pipe, and he cannot force Russia to stop pumping gas, what can he do? they can sabotage.

Russia cannot attack its own Money Cow and Germany cannot stop what keeps them warm. so who did it? If you asking me, I will first look at those saying they will take out the pipeline.

basilico:


For America the starting point would be that the Democrats fought a civil war because they wanted to keep their slaves. They crafted Jim Crow laws.
Something like this history that is buried. Inconvinient truths

With a little research, the actual voting record for both Houses of Congress shows that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed the Senate on a 73-to-27 vote. The Democratic supermajority in the Senate split their vote 46 (69%) for and 21 (31%) against. The Republicans, on the other hand, split their vote 27 for (82%) and 6 against (18%). Thus, the no vote consisted of 78% Democrats. Further, the infamous 74-day filibuster was led by the Southern Democrats, who overwhelmingly voted against the act.

If Martin Luther King was alive today he would be Republican. Democrats cant stand anybody who draws strength from the Lord. Actuallly they would label him a fascist like the genial Italian PM.“I don’t think the Republican Party is a party full of the almighty God, nor is the Democratic Party. They both have weaknesses. And I’m not inextricably bound to either party.

You are a disingenuous fool
You sidestepped hundred years of history, years of man changing radical ideas and moving from one point of the spectrum to the other.

How can you call the Democrats of the reconstruction era to be the Democratic party of today? And you are telling me the same Republicans who fought to end slavery then are the same Republicans now? Get the fück off.

I mean right about now, we have trumpism and less of what the tea party has been known off since Obama took office. Are you telling me this same trumpist ideals were the Republicans of the slavery era?

There are many factors that have changed the landscape of American politics but you'd be a fool to ignore that and say the same party now was the party of over a hundred years ago.

basilico:


Of course you say its a conspiracy theory. why you say this. Because you listen to hacks..
Bring you upto speed. Many of those leftist activists masquerading as TV anchors on MSM are just a bunch of highly paid hacks paid insane amounts of $$$ to put forth a leftist narrative. Anderson Cooper is paid $12m, Wolf Blitzer $5m, George Stephanopoulos $15m, Joe Scarborough $8m
These are paid obscene amounts to repeat the talking points circulated to their echo chamber of 'Big lie, baseless, debunked, No evidence, conspiracy theories' etc. They all use the same talking points for each new crisis or propaganda dissemination.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS4O8rGRLf8

That's why I say you have a problem of endemic conspiracy theories. Now you just formulated in that empty head of yours that the people you mentioned above are some kind of mind benders? Stupid, I don't even watch CNN anymore, MSNBC when j have the time and on youtube, but I follow independent journalists and local activists.
Is CNN not the same as Fox? Concurrent talking points, they don't care for your sorry ass and they all just want advertisers CPM dollars.

Only an idiot like you will use them as a form of victimhood abuse.

Ibime:


As usual, you blockhead have been to your far right sources to watch snippets out of context and have your dim-witted brains filled with propaganda. Of course Biden was referring to sanctions which he did. One day you argue Biden allowed Nordstream 2, next day you argue that Biden bombed Nordstream 2.

Nuland was responding to Ted Cruz who asked if she will support his bill to ban Nordstream 2 permanently. She did not want to commit to his bill which is foolish and takes away both executive privilege over Nordstream 2 and Germany's right of say over Nordstream 2, plus forever takes Nordstream 2 off the table as a negotiating chip with Russia. So she told him not to worry that Nordstream 2 will never come back while he kept pressing her to support permanent ban of Nordstream 2. Of course she was referring to sanctions and the Germans not tolerating Russian behaviour in Ukraine..

USA is not a rogue state that will attack infrastructure owned by its allies. You must be new to Russian psychological tricks. This is a message to Europe that none of their pipelines are safe and Norwegian pipeline is under threat, in keeping with their stated aim to freeze Europe this winter, and let them know all bets are off if they continue to support Ukraine



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmPHA3honBw

She had a presser saying if Russia invade Ukraine one WAY OR ANOTHER nordstream two will not move forward. This was not with Ted Cruz.

That's the same thing Biden was saying.
She was referring to many things. There is no sanction the US can put to stop gas from flowing. They can only ask Germany to not use the gas from nordstream. What they can do to directly affect the pipeline is to sabotage it.

You just here always doing bootlicking. Sometimes open your eyes.

Russia is bad we know, but this ain't a joke. We are moving closer to nukes falling on your head for stupid reasons.

Criminal trump backed Candidates are so bad Wow, we can run a full year documentary on these suckers.

Majority of the candidates are first timers, no experience in government all motivated by hate and lies, while many of the candidates of the Democratic party have some form of experience in Government, but motivated by preserving democracy and what comes along with it.

benalvino3:


She had a presser saying if Russia invade Ukraine one WAY OR ANOTHER nordstream two will not move forward. This was not with Ted Cruz.

That was already achieved with sanctions and withdrawal of certification

benalvino3:

That's the same thing Biden was saying.
She was referring to many things. There is no sanction the US can put to stop gas from flowing. They can only ask Germany to not use the gas from nordstream. What they can do to directly affect the pipeline is to sabotage it.

If Nordstream 2 is not within USAs gift to stop, why was Ted Cruz pushing to have it written into law to stop it in the USA?

Of course you know that USA can sanction any company working with Nordstream 2 such as Siemens, Rolls Royce etc and take it off line forever. They can only lay pipes, they cannot pump gas without turbines, technology etc from. companies that fall under USA say so, that's why Merkel had to go begging Biden to lift the sanctions. Same way both John F Kennedy and Ronald Reagan sanctioned Nordstream 1.

USA can absolutely stop Nordstream 2 from a technical aspect by ensuring no company that works on it will ever eat again, while Germany can stop it's certification. Both have power to stop it using legal means.

benalvino3:

Russia cannot attack its own Money Cow and Germany cannot stop what keeps them warm. so who did it? If you asking me, I will first look at those saying they will take out the pipeline.

It is not a money cow for Russia in the short term as flows have been stopped for a month now. It can always be fixed in the medium term when Russia needs it to be. But the implied threat to Norwegian pipelines in the short term is pressing to Europe and pressing on Europes ability to warm itself this winter.

USA can never attack its allies infrastructure in International waters. It's an act of war and the surest way to break up the alliance against Russia. You must be new to Russian psychological game. This is just one of their escalation levers to put pressure on Europe and divide it. 10% of the dumb ones will believe it's USA, while 50% of the wise ones will know all Norwegian pipelines are under threat and want to deescalate so Europe is not at risk this winter. Both achieve Russia's aims.

DeSantis thanked President Biden for his quick response, acknowledging that the WH have known about the movement and impact of this hurricane beforehand and prepared everything down.

Compare that to criminal trump who knew about the fatality of Covid before hand but declared it will all go away in April.

The same DeSantis who will pull another hideous stunt coz of 2024, but when it mattered most concerning Lives, he grovels to the ultimate power.


Video - https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1574929573325799425?t=n2Po2dInlbVljC9LWnE6ig&s=19

benalvino3:


quote tucker saying what you just claimed. I will wait.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLb0QeCQF_I

Biden in is out words said there will be no Nordstream 2 and he promise they can take it out. he cannot control Germany to stop using the pipe, and he cannot force Russia to stop pumping gas, what can he do? they can sabotage.

I don't want to hold brief for Biden, but that's how he talks. He said he will remove prosecutor general Viktor Shokin and he "quid quo proed" President Poroshenko to remove him. The difference is that that was the official US government and Europen policy.

If he wanted to stop the Nordstream2 project, he would not need to bomb it clandestinely, he would have pressured Germany and Europe using various economic and diplomatic means. Afterall Trump stopped the project diplomatically and Biden restarted it.
When Biden restarted the Nordstreams project, you guys were up in arms. Now that it had been allegedly sabotage, you guys are also up in arms against Biden.

Russia cannot attack its own Money Cow and Germany cannot stop what keeps them warm. so who did it? If you asking me, I will first look at those saying they will take out the pipeline.

What then will US gain from bombing the pipelines? Yes, it will deny Russia some funds but Russia had indicated that it will turn off the taps by December anyway.
If it was sabotaged, it could be anybody, including the MAGA movement.

You guys are just anarchist. You want to destroy everything, even yourselves.

Ibime:


That was already achieved with sanctions and withdrawal of certification



If Nordstream 2 is not within USAs gift to stop, why was Ted Cruz pushing to have it written into law to stop it in the USA?

Of course you know that USA can sanction any company working with Nordstream 2 such as Siemens, Rolls Royce etc and take it off line forever. They can only lay pipes, they cannot pump gas without turbines, technology etc from. companies that fall under USA say so, that's why Merkel had to go begging Biden to lift the sanctions. Same way both John F Kennedy and Ronald Reagan sanctioned Nordstream 1.

USA can absolutely stop Nordstream 2 from a technical aspect by ensuring no company that works on it will ever eat again, while Germany can stop it's certification. Both have power to stop it using legal means.




It is not a money cow for Russia in the short term as flows have been stopped for a month now. It can always be fixed in the medium term when Russia needs it to be. But the implied threat to Norwegian pipelines in the short term is pressing to Europe and pressing on Europes ability to warm itself this winter.

USA can never attack its allies infrastructure in International waters. It's an act of war and the surest way to break up the alliance against Russia. You must be new to Russian psychological game. This is just one of their escalation levers to put pressure on Europe and divide it. 10% of the dumb ones will believe it's USA, while 50% of the wise ones will know all Norwegian pipelines are under threat and want to deescalate so Europe is not at risk this winter. Both achieve Russia's aims.

Not it. Was not. They Sabotage both pipelines. One was active, the other was not. Nordstream 1 and 2

benalvino3:


Not it. Was not. They Sabotage both pipelines. One was active, the other was not. Nordstream 1 and 2

Nordstream 1 has not been flowing for a month cos Russia stopped it

Biden and Nuland and Ted Cruz promise was only to stop Nordstream 2 and it was achieved.

You said study history in order to beat racism.Are those things that people should not study . How the democrats were the party of slavely
And how 500k people died so that democrats could keep their slaves
That education is very relevant in order to fight racism

Obrigardo:


You are a disingenuous fool
You sidestepped hundred years of history, years of man changing radical ideas and moving from one point of the spectrum to the other.

How can you call the Democrats of the reconstruction era to be the Democratic party of today? And you are telling me the same Republicans who fought to end slavery then are the same Republicans now? Get the fück off.

I mean right about now, we have trumpism and less of what the tea party has been known off since Obama took office. Are you telling me this same trumpist ideals were the Republicans of the slavery era?

There are many factors that have changed the landscape of American politics but you'd be a fool to ignore that and say the same party now was the party of over a hundred years ago.

Ibime:


Nordstream 1 has not been flowing for a month cos Russia stopped it

Biden and Nuland and Ted Cruz promise was only to stop Nordstream 2 and it was achieved.

Why is gas leaking to the surface if its not been in use?

basilico:


Why is gas leaking to the surface if its not been in use?

There is gas in both Nordstream 1 and 2 but it is not being pumped into Germany. It's dormant gas sitting in the Nordstream 1 pipeline as at the time flows were stopped. Flows were stopped on 2nd September. It would soon ease itself out.

For Nordstream 2, it is dormant test gas in the pipeline, though Nordstream 2 has never been online.

Who reallly stands to gain from sabotaging the pipelines?

Ibime:


That was already achieved with sanctions and withdrawal of certification



If Nordstream 2 is not within USAs gift to stop, why was Ted Cruz pushing to have it written into law to stop it in the USA?

Of course you know that USA can sanction any company working with Nordstream 2 such as Siemens, Rolls Royce etc and take it off line forever. They can only lay pipes, they cannot pump gas without turbines, technology etc from. companies that fall under USA say so, that's why Merkel had to go begging Biden to lift the sanctions. Same way both John F Kennedy and Ronald Reagan sanctioned Nordstream 1.

USA can absolutely stop Nordstream 2 from a technical aspect by ensuring no company that works on it will ever eat again, while Germany can stop it's certification. Both have power to stop it using legal means.




It is not a money cow for Russia in the short term as flows have been stopped for a month now. It can always be fixed in the medium term when Russia needs it to be. But the implied threat to Norwegian pipelines in the short term is pressing to Europe and pressing on Europes ability to warm itself this winter.

USA can never attack its allies infrastructure in International waters. It's an act of war and the surest way to break up the alliance against Russia. You must be new to Russian psychological game. This is just one of their escalation levers to put pressure on Europe and divide it. 10% of the dumb ones will believe it's USA, while 50% of the wise ones will know all Norwegian pipelines are under threat and want to deescalate so Europe is not at risk this winter. Both achieve Russia's aims.

Ibime:


There is gas in both Nordstream 1 and 2 but it is not being pumped into Germany. It's dormant gas sitting in the Nordstream 1 pipeline as at the time flows were stopped. Flows were stopped on 2nd September. It would soon ease itself out.

For Nordstream 2, it is dormant test gas in the pipeline, though Nordstream 2 has never been online.

I know that but I assume gas is pumped from one end and the other end 'sucks' it if pressure is low Or leave it open .How would dormant gas be sitting there unless Germany shuts down the incoming, trapping gas already sent to them.

hint hint. Germans have been getting the gas. Its only PR that the supply is shut.

basilico:
Who reallly stands to gain from sabotaging the pipelines?

Russia as I have spelled out in the post you quoted. None of the Western allies have anything to gain by commiting acts of war on each other. Russia's first response to the bombing was to let the world know that USA and UK pipelines are not safe. A wonderful way to put pressure on Europe by blowing your own non-functioning pipeline and then sowing doubt in Europes mind that they will freeze this winter if Norwegian pipelines are attacked if they don't back off from Ukraine. The bombing occured right next to the Norwegian pipeline which is menacing signalling

basilico:


I know that but I assume gas is pumped from one end and the other end 'sucks' it if pressure is low Or leave it open .How would dormant gas be sitting there unless Germany shuts down the incoming, trapping gas already sent to them.

hint hint. Germans have been getting the gas. Its only PR that the supply is shut.

Ask Al Jazeera, I'm not a gas engineer

wirinet:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLb0QeCQF_I

I don't want to hold brief for Biden, but that's how he talks. He said he will remove prosecutor general Viktor Shokin and he "quid quo proed" President Poroshenko to remove him. The difference is that that was the official US government and Europen policy.

If he wanted to stop the Nordstream2 project, he would not need to bomb it clandestinely, he would have pressured Germany and Europe using various economic and diplomatic means. Afterall Trump stopped the project diplomatically and Biden restarted it.
When Biden restarted the Nordstreams project, you guys were up in arms. Now that it had been allegedly sabotage, you guys are also up in arms against Biden.


What then will US gain from bombing the pipelines? Yes, it will deny Russia some funds but Russia had indicated that it will turn off the taps by December anyway.
If it was sabotaged, it could be anybody, including the MAGA movement.

You guys are just anarchist. You want to destroy everything, even yourselves.

tucker did not say what you claimed he said. it is possible that you skipped through the video you posted or you did not watch it. i asked you to quote him because I already watch his Tuesday show before you claimed he said that. from 6mins.

He said:

"Looking back those words seem chilling" as "8 months later, as Natural Gas pours into the baltic sea and into the atmosphere" he continued: "so you have to ASK, COULD THE BIDEN ADMINISTRATION REALLY DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS?"

Tucker answered his own question:
"We can't say for sure, we don't know for sure"

He cannot pressure Germany, don't you get it? there are some things America cannot control in other Nations. they answer to their people, not America.

the Sanctions, they are even putting on Russia, some countries are holding referendums if they should stick to Nation Sanctions or Remove them since they are suffering from them.

If he can pressure Germany on that, whats the need for it to be sabotaged then?

Ibime:


Nordstream 1 has not been flowing for a month cos Russia stopped it

Biden and Nuland and Ted Cruz promise was only to stop Nordstream 2 and it was achieved.

you are so clueless. it is your fart that is escaping from the pipe abi?

you lick boots to the point you don't believe what you see anymore.

benalvino3:


you are so clueless. it is your fart that is escaping from the pipe abi?

you lick boots to the point you don't believe what you see anymore.

You must know more than all the experts and all the countries who know why gas is sitting dormant in the pipe as reported by all the news agencies.

Problem with anarchists is they never defer to experts and mistrust everyone.

benalvino3:

the Sanctions, they are even putting on Russia, some countries are holding referendums if they should stick to Nation Sanctions or Remove them since they are suffering from them.

There is no country holding referendum except the Putin lapdog Victor Orban who has always been that way Stop spraying far-right talking points manure all over this thread

Ibime:



You must know more than all the experts and all the countries who know why gas is sitting dormant in the pipe as reported by all the news agencies.

Problem with anarchists is they never defer to experts and mistrust everyone.

the experts who work for the government and tell you that there are more than 2 genders?

an expert is as good as the agenda of the globalist he works for. we know Of covid crap and many more.

the Nord Stream 1 and 2 were sabotaged, Russia shut down one earlier this month because of an Oil Leak in one of their Pumps. it does not mean anyone should blow it up.

this is dangerous.

Ibime:


There is no country holding referendum except the Putin lapdog Victor Orban who has always been that way Stop spraying far-right talking points manure all over this thread

look at you. it's not Putin's lapdogs, it is the people of the country who are suffering that are complaining.

in the UK they are complaining too. some are saying they won't pay bills.

benalvino3:


the experts who work for the government and tell you that there are more than 2 genders?

an expert is as good as the agenda of the globalist he works for. we know Of covid crap and many more.

the Nord Stream 1 and 2 were sabotaged, Russia shut down one earlier this month because of an Oil Leak in one of their Pumps. it does not mean anyone should blow it up.

this is dangerous.

So if you believe Russia's word that Nordstream 1 was shut down due to oil leak, why are you forming pseudo engineer to ask why gas is in the pipe

Gas was in Nordstream 2 pipe as early as October last year for tests without a single cubic metre being delivered to Germany

But based on Basilico QAnon theory that if gas is in the pipe, Germany must be collecting gas clandestinely, I should throw away everything that has been reported and known in the industry. And you guys claim to be Engineers and Scientists? I wouldn't let you guys change even my lightbulb if this is your approach to science and engineering. Conspiracy comes first, science is secondary with you anarchists. Of course gas can sit in a pipeline if constant pressure is not applied to keep it flowing.

benalvino3:


look at you. it's not Putin's lapdogs, it is the people of the country who are suffering that are complaining.

in the UK they are complaining too. some are saying they won't pay bills.

Is the UK holding referendum? You said some countries are holding referendum. Which one?

Ben, you fighting for “Top 0.1%?

https://wolfstreet.com/2022/09/26/my-wealth-disparity-monitor-september-update-qt-rate-hikes-dropping-stocks-bonds-reduce-outrageous-us-wealth-disparity/

Ibime:


Is the UK holding referendum? You said some countries are holding referendum. Which one?

Hungary
https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/hungarian-premier-orbán-announces-referendum-on-russia-sanctions/ar-AA12g2x7

benalvino3:


Hungary

Exactly.

Orban has always been a black sheep through this process and is a self avowed Putinphile. He and Erdogan are the only ones that haven't formally signed off Sweden and Finland ascension into NATO. He is butthurt and getting aggressive because EU voted to declare Hungary an electoral autocracy and he promised reprisals. He is using referendum to back Putin, so he can wash his hands and say it's the will of the people. If care is not taken, Hungary membership of EU will be put on the table.