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johnw47:
quote them dum dum

Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!

Think for yourself, worthless slave.

Maynman:
You are suffering from amnesia
Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!
Think for yourself, worthless slave.

u cannot back uo any of your lies fearful one, of course

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

johnw47:
u cannot back uo any of your lies fearful one, of course

rev 21:8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone; which is the second death.

You are suffering from amnesia you cannot back any of your lies like the worthless slave you are

Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your father is Satan, a Rapist and a Murderer, he’s long dead and useless and only found in jewish Fictions.
Your father, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that KILLED him and soon his brainwashed followers and they shall be condemned in nereka which is the legbegbe DEATH!

Maynman:
fxmasterz have you died before to know what happens afters or you are regurgitating what you read in books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS like sheeps?
The breath in your nostrils isn’t your. You have no power over it. The dogS that created you will take it very soon.

I can also make claims too

Ask yourself your question. Have you died before to know that there's nothing after death? Smiles. Insults because of a simple question? That's the evidence of demons at work. I expect more insults since you're already taken over by evil spirits.

Maynman:
You are suffering from amnesia you cannot back any of your lies like the worthless slave you are
Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your father is Satan, a Rapist and a Murderer, he’s long dead and useless and only found in jewish Fictions.
Your father, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that KILLED him and soon his brainwashed followers and they shall be condemned in nereka which is the legbegbe DEATH!

Maynman:
You are suffering from amnesia, you cannot back your lies like the worthless slave you are
Legbegbe 4:19–20– It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their handicapped son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

lost blasphemer:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

FxMasterz:
Ask yourself your question. Have you died before to know that there's nothing after death? Smiles. Insults because of a simple question? That's the evidence of demons at work. I expect more insults since you're already taken over by evil spirits.

I’m not the one making dumb claims of something I “know” nothing of. All you got are “beliefs” that you read in a forged book like other RELIGIONS, have you died before to know your creator isn’t a dog or dogs and you’ll be eating their poop when you die?
Let’s keep making claims, when we all die we will all “know”.

How am I insulting you? I only did EXACTLY what you did too. You can’t take what you dish out?
This is the work of indoctrination and brainwashing,
I can only expect more dumb claims(demon/evil spirit) since you are mentally ill and good for nothing like your jewish deity.

johnw47:
lost blasphemer:

Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.
Mat 12:32  And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.

Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.

Worthless jewish slave.

You are suffering from amnesia like your FATHER.

Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.

Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles.

https://www.nairaland.com/7382665/how-revelation-got-into-bible

most dum nancy boy, of course when you repeat your foolish laughter post after post,
i then post ecc 7:6
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool

Maynman:
Worthless jewish slave.
You are suffering from amnesia like your FATHER.
Legbegbe 6:66—It shall not be well with Yahweh worshippers, including their deranged son of man and ESPECIALLY their imbecil.e HOLY SPIRIT, nothing good shall come their way.
Ass 1:12: for there are many Murderers and Rapist. Their father and his imbecil.e HOLY SPIRT are empty barrels and nonentities and all together they are deranged homophiles.

poor tormented maryman

u such a nasty peice of work, your mouth shows your god:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The most Worthless jewish slave, show me the laughter, pathetic LIAR! I’m not the one that said you should live a sad and miserable life.

listen to your advice and stop quoting random books with Unknown Authors over and over again like a ret.ard, you are suffering from amnesia and sadness like your FATHER.

Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!, they will be full of SORROW and have no reason to LAUGH.

johnw47:
most dum nancy boy, of course when you repeat your foolish laughter post after post,
i then post ecc 7:6
Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool



poor tormented maryman

u such a nasty peice of work, your mouth shows your god:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

You worthless jewish slave with a miserable lowlife, little piece of poo
Your brainlessness shows your jewish deity:

Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your FATHER is Satan, a RAPIST and a MURDERER, he’s long DEAD and USELESS and only found in jewish Fictions.
Your FATHER is a slave owner, and you are his most worthless slave.
Your FATHER, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that KILLED him and soon his brainwashed followers and they shall be CONDEMNED in nereka which is the legbegbe DEATH!

Maynman:
The most Worthless jewish slave, show me the laughter, pathetic LIAR!

sure mayan momma, here's just a few of the very many:

Maynman:
Listen to your advice, worthless slave suffering from amnesia

Maynman:
Slaves don’t come any worthless than you, I doubt. deranged lowlife

Maynman:
No wonder you are an illiterate bwahahahah

Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


gee u dum, aren't you mayan mum

Maynman: I’m not the one that said you should live a sad and miserable life.
listen to your advice and stop quoting random books with Unknown Authors over and over again like a ret.ard, you are suffering from amnesia and sadness like your FATHER.
Wakanda 5:4— because they are basing their miserable lifes on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS they and their family will be unfortunate till DEATH!, they will be full of SORROW and have no reason to LAUGH.
You worthless jewish slave with a miserable lowlife, little piece of poo
Your brainlessness shows your jewish deity:
Legbegbe 4:19–20– Your FATHER is Satan, a RAPIST and a MURDERER, he’s long DEAD and USELESS and only found in jewish Fictions.
Your FATHER is a slave owner, and you are his most worthless slave.
Your FATHER, satan is a Liar, The only thing worse than a liar is a liar that's also a hypocrite and it’s lies that KILLED him and soon his brainwashed followers and they shall be CONDEMNED in nereka which is the legbegbe DEATH!

u having so much hate and anger and blaspheming are really twisted/queer as they come

Exactly like smelling john momma, here is what you are worth jewish slave:

Wakanda 5:5— as bitter as bitter leaf, your life will be much bitter, you’ll have no reason to LAUGH, your live will be full of sorrow like a prisoner on death row.

No wonder you are an illiterate, this emoji means laughing,

johnw47:
sure mayan momma, here's just a few of the very many:







Ecclesiastes 7:6
For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool


gee u dum, aren't you mayan mum




u having so much hate and anger and blaspheming are really twisted/queer as they come

Slave you are mentally ill, aren’t you johnny, son of a smelling mum

You have so much resentment and pain because I don’t believe in your jewish fairy tale, and you’re repeatedly quoting dumb stuffs you read in a FORGED BOOK with UNKNOWN AUTHORS, you are as useless as your crazy homophile FATHER. Like Yahweh like johnw47

TenQ:
Firstly,it is on record that you DELIBERATELY avoided answering my Questions. But in your warped sense, you think you have any right to ask me questions!?
SMH!

But, I'm not like you in anyway!

You are asking if the book of John is the product of a Devine Being.

Let me tell you.
1. Is it true that From the book of John 14:16, John 14:26, John15:26 and John 16:7 you Muslims have tried to prove that Mohammed is the "Person Jesus spoke of as coming after Him" ?
If you need references, I can find you several examples!

2. Did Allah implores Muslims to believe in the scriptures revealed before the Qur'an ?
Al-Baqarah 2:4
وَٱلَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِٱلْءَاخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ
Surat-ul Baqara (2):136
Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one and another of them.

Surat-ul Baqara (2):285
The Apostle (prophet) believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles.

Surat-un Nisaa (4):136
O ye who believe! Believe in God, and His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth God, His angels, His Books, His apostles, and the Day of Judgment hath gone far, far astray.


3. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?
If you need reference from your hadiths I will oblige you!

So here you have your answer!

TenQ I am back like I never left. And I know you must have missed me because I missed you too. I enjoy conversing with you (not specifically you but all Christian apologists in general) and I will deal with your questions now. From what I can tell by your post, you basically:

1. charged me for deliberately avoiding your questions; and

2. tried to prove that the book of John is a product of a divine being by citing Quranic reference (which if I get your drift correctly, confirms that the gospel according to John and the entire NT belongs to that class of scripture that Allah (SWT) enjoins Muslims to believe). Please correct me if I am wrong.

I will split my response into two, specifically answering 1 now and dealing with 2 in a separate post to follow (also quoting the above post). Invariably, you will get two mentions BUT the post to follow is a continuation of our engagement. My response to 1 is reproduced below:

The short answer is that I did not deliberately avoid answering your question. The key points we should bear in mind is that:

- You tagged me to explain the Trinity of Jesus in Islam. This is your question which you wanted me to provide a response to and the crux of our conversation.

- On prodding you as to why you expect an answer from me, you said that you do not HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY believe that a Muslim can offer an explanation. In fact, you went ahead to tell me that the key words were 'honestly' and 'truthfully'...

- Any reasonable person will come to the conclusion that your mind is made up (which I pointed out to you). So I kept pressing that if your mind is made up that no Muslim can tell honestly and truthfully explain the trinity of Jesus in Islam, why were you asking me to provide an explanation?

- The response you provided was this '...because Muslims usually memorize things without asking Questions NOR Comprehending implications with respect to their Claims, Your attempts to explain my questions will FORCE you to SLOW DOWN to THINK and REASON!

- Only two logical implications could be deduced from your response since you do not believe any Muslim can honestly and truthfully explain the question. (a) either the explanation you want to elicit from me is for MY OWN BENEFIT so I can slow down, think and reason while answering you or (b) my explanation is for the benefit of OTHER MUSLIMS .

- In any event, my explanation is IRRELEVANT TO YOU as YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A MUSLIM CAN HONESTLY AND TRUTHFULLY explain the trinity of Jesus in Islam.

- Now, if giving an explanation is for my benefit, I have considered this question and have read a very similar argument ago here (https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/q_confirms_t1.html). I have an explanation which accords with common sense. So, apparently there is no need to give an explanation to myself on what I fully understand.

- However, if giving an explanation is for the benefit of other Muslims, No MUSLIM has told me on this forum to provide an explanation.

- In short, giving an explanation to you is irrelevant as you would not believe it no matter what I say. I have an explanation which is reasonable to me and No Muslim has asked me to give an explanation to them. Therefore, there is NO REASON TO OFFER AN EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you always say, here you have your answer. I will now proceed to the crux of the matter in my next post - rebutting every single argument of yours.

LegalWolf:
TenQ I am back like I never left. And I know you must have missed me because I missed you too. I enjoy conversing with you (not specifically you but all Christian apologists in general) and I will deal with your questions now. From what I can tell by your post, you basically:

1. charged me for deliberately avoiding your questions; and

2. tried to prove that the book of John is a product of a divine being by citing Quranic reference (which if I get your drift correctly, confirms that the gospel according to John and the entire NT belongs to that class of scripture that Allah (SWT) enjoins Muslims to believe). Please correct me if I am wrong.

I will split my response into two, specifically answering 1 now and dealing with 2 in a separate post to follow (also quoting the above post). Invariably, you will get two mentions BUT the post to follow is a continuation of our engagement. My response to 1 is reproduced below:

The short answer is that I did not deliberately avoid answering your question. The key points we should bear in mind is that:

- You tagged me to explain the Trinity of Jesus in Islam. This is your question which you wanted me to provide a response to and the crux of our conversation.

- On prodding you as to why you expect an answer from me, you said that you do not HONESTLY and TRUTHFULLY believe that a Muslim can offer an explanation. In fact, you went ahead to tell me that the key words were 'honestly' and 'truthfully'...

- Any reasonable person will come to the conclusion that your mind is made up (which I pointed out to you). So I kept pressing that if your mind is made up that no Muslim can tell honestly and truthfully explain the trinity of Jesus in Islam, why were you asking me to provide an explanation?

- The response you provided was this '...because Muslims usually memorize things without asking Questions NOR Comprehending implications with respect to their Claims, Your attempts to explain my questions will FORCE you to SLOW DOWN to THINK and REASON!

- Only two logical implications could be deduced from your response since you do not believe any Muslim can honestly and truthfully explain the question. (a) either the explanation you want to elicit from me is for MY OWN BENEFIT so I can slow down, think and reason while answering you or (b) my explanation is for the benefit of OTHER MUSLIMS .

- In any event, my explanation is IRRELEVANT TO YOU as YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT A MUSLIM CAN HONESTLY AND TRUTHFULLY explain the trinity of Jesus in Islam.

- Now, if giving an explanation is for my benefit, I have considered this question and have read a very similar argument ago here (https://www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/q_confirms_t1.html). I have an explanation which accords with common sense. So, apparently there is no need to give an explanation to myself on what I fully understand.

- However, if giving an explanation is for the benefit of other Muslims, No MUSLIM has told me on this forum to provide an explanation.

- In short, giving an explanation to you is irrelevant as you would not believe it no matter what I say. I have an explanation which is reasonable to me and No Muslim has asked me to give an explanation to them. Therefore, there is NO REASON TO OFFER AN EXPLANATION WHATSOEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As you always say, here you have your answer. I will now proceed to the crux of the matter in my next post - rebutting every single argument of yours.

LOL!

I asked just THREE QUESTIONS here

TenQ:
Firstly,it is on record that you DELIBERATELY avoided answering my Questions. But in your warped sense, you think you have any right to ask me questions!?
SMH!

But, I'm not like you in anyway!

You are asking if the book of John is the product of a Devine Being.

Let me tell you.
1. Is it true that From the book of John 14:16, John 14:26, John15:26 and John 16:7 you Muslims have tried to prove that Mohammed is the "Person Jesus spoke of as coming after Him" ?
If you need references, I can find you several examples!

2. Did Allah implores Muslims to believe in the scriptures revealed before the Qur'an ?
Al-Baqarah 2:4
وَٱلَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِٱلْءَاخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ
Surat-ul Baqara (2):136
Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one and another of them.

Surat-ul Baqara (2):285
The Apostle (prophet) believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles.

Surat-un Nisaa (4):136
O ye who believe! Believe in God, and His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth God, His angels, His Books, His apostles, and the Day of Judgment hath gone far, far astray.


3. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?
If you need reference from your hadiths I will oblige you!

So here you have your answer!

I called in THREE WITNESSES!

TenQ:
LOL!

I asked just THREE QUESTIONS here


I called in THREE WITNESSES!

I hope you can read. I told you I will break my post into two and do justice to the three questions in my second post. So why are you scared . It took me a while because I had to quickly review an application. Now I am back and let me do justice to your question. At least, I have irrefutable showed on post 1 that I did not deliberately avoid your question as you charged. If you think otherwise, can you please fault any premise or conclusion of mine in that post?

LegalWolf:
I hope you can read. I told you I will break my post into two and do justice to the three questions in my second post. So why are you scared . It took me a while because I had to quickly review an application. Now I am back and let me do justice to your question. At least, I have irrefutable showed on post 1 that I did not deliberately avoid your question as you charged. If you think otherwise, can you please fault any premise or conclusion of mine in that post?

Waiting!
Just THREE QUESTIONS!

TenQ:
Firstly,it is on record that you DELIBERATELY avoided answering my Questions. But in your warped sense, you think you have any right to ask me questions!?
SMH!

But, I'm not like you in anyway!
You are asking if the book of John is the product of a Devine Being.

Let me tell you.
1. Is it true that From the book of John 14:16, John 14:26, John15:26 and John 16:7 you Muslims have tried to prove that Mohammed is the "Person Jesus spoke of as coming after Him" ?
If you need references, I can find you several examples!

2. Did Allah implores Muslims to believe in the scriptures revealed before the Qur'an ?
Al-Baqarah 2:4
وَٱلَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِٱلْءَاخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ
Surat-ul Baqara (2):136
Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one and another of them.

Surat-ul Baqara (2):285
The Apostle (prophet) believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles.

Surat-un Nisaa (4):136
O ye who believe! Believe in God, and His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth God, His angels, His Books, His apostles, and the Day of Judgment hath gone far, far astray.


3. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?
If you need reference from your hadiths I will oblige you!

So here you have your answer!

Like I promised, this is my second post dedicated to answering three questions you asked. For clarity, you numbered it one to three so my response will be titled Response 1,2 and 3 corresponding to each of the issues you raised above. We should bear in mind that the ultimate aim you tried to show in the above post is that the book of John (and in extension the entirety of the NT) is a product of a divine being. Just put that at the back of your mind. Lets start the systematic annihilation of TenQ aregument... shall we

RESPONSE ONE

My simple answer is that: I do not confirm or deny that Muslims have proved through the book of John that the prophet (pbuh)would come after Jesus. .

But for the sake of this argument, I will agree that some Muslims have tried to prove that who Jesus was referring to that would come after him was the prophet. HOWEVER, that does not in itself expressly mean that they accept the Book of John and the NT as the word of God. Very far from it.

It is ironic that those Muslims do exactly what you are trying to do here in your question two above. I asked you whether the book of John is a product of a divine being and your response was citing Quranic verses to show that Allah implores Muslims to believe in the Scriptures revealed before the Quran. The key point here is that YOU WERE CITING QURANIC VERSES to support your claim.

Now if I ask you, do you believe that the Quran is the word of God? I am near certain that your answer would be an emphatic NO. So in short, they did exactly what you did here. Or not to appear jumping the gun, so that the argument will be flawless, do you believe the Quran to be the word of God?

RESPONSE TWO

To demonstrate that your bible is unsalvageable and the superiority of our logic, I will confine myself to the three quotes of the Noble Quran you referenced. This ought not to make the post overly long and unwieldy. Now, the Simple answer is: Yes Allah (SWT) implores Muslims to believe in scriptures revealed before Quran. However, NONE OF THOSE SCRIPTURES IN QUESTION IS THE NEW TESTAMENT AS WE HAVE IT TODAY .

Let me break it down for you according to the references you cited.

Q2:285

Just a side note, I am uncomfortable with the translation of 'Rasul' as apostle. I will prefer the direct meaning which is messenger or allegorical meaning which is prophet. That is just by the way. But the key point here is that the verse says and I reproduced the translation according to you as follows:

...and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus , and that given to (all) the prophets from their Lord... . The key question to consider in the context of this verse is whether the 27 canon NT is the revelation given to Jesus or the prophets from their Lord?

Apparently, and even going by Church tradition, the book of John was not revealed to start with. And even if it was revealed, it was not to Jesus but allegedly to John the son of Zebedee. Same thing with the other three Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) which were allegedly authored by apostles of Jesus and not him. Apart from these four, none of the other cannons was credited to Jesus.

Now the story would have been different if the disciples that these cannons were accredited to were prophets in Islam as the last part of the verse says ... 'prophets from their Lord'. But the Quran does not recognize any of the alleged writers/authors of the 27 cannons to be prophet. Starting from Matthew to John (alleged writer of the last book of revelation). Or does the Quran recognize any of these authors as prophets?

Q2:285

All this verse says is that we should believe in Allah's books. But the previous verse has irrefutably showed us that the NT cannot be Allah's book as it was not revealed to Jesus. How can these books be revelation to Jesus when Christian tradition is unanimous that these books were authored allegedly by his disciple not him?

Q4:136
..Believe in God, and His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). .

Again, the Quran is consistent that we should believe in the scripture sent to the prophet and those before him? DOES ANY OF THE FOUR CANONICAL BIBLE CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN REVEALED TO JESUS? If so, point it out to me?

Now compared to the Torah which Jews believed to be revealed to Moses. Rabbinic tradition [consistent amongst ashkinazim, sephardim and mizrahim] attributes Torah to Moses and not his disciples or followers. So, if any one would even make any comment as to the Books of God mentioned in the Quran, it should be Jews and Not Christians.

RESPONSE THREE

What exactly is the purpose of this question as I cannot see any link with demonstrating how the book of John or the NT is a word of God.

SUMMARY OF MY POINT
- You were right in pointing that Allah said we should believe in scriptures revealed before the Quran.
- Even from the phrasing of your question 2, the key word here is revealed before the Quran.
- You attempt to show that NT is a book revealed before the Quran and thus is God's words.
- But that is a faulty premise. Unlike the Torah to Moses, the NT does not claim to be revealed by God to Jesus.
- Moreso, Christian tradition attributes the authorship of each of the Canon of the NT to people other than Jesus.
- These people are not prophets according to the Quran
- In conclusion, these 27 book canon of the NT cannot be a scripture the Quran is telling us to believe in!

Consequently, until you can show that:
(a) each and every book of the NT is revealed to Jesus just like the Torah was revealed to Moses; or

(b) that those attributed to writing the NT such as our beloved apostles are recognized in the Quran as 'rasul' or 'prophets/messengers',

Then you have failed to show that the NT is a Book of God in Islam. CAN YOU SHOW THAT?

Maynman:
I’m not the one making dumb claims of something I “know” nothing of. All you got are “beliefs” that you read in a forged book like other RELIGIONS, have you died before to know your creator isn’t a dog or dogs and you’ll be eating their poop when you die?
Let’s keep making claims, when we all die we will all “know”.

How am I insulting you? I only did EXACTLY what you did too. You can’t take what you dish out?
This is the work of indoctrination and brainwashing,
I can only expect more dumb claims(demon/evil spirit) since you are mentally ill and good for nothing like your jewish deity.

You did exactly what I did? Hahahaha. Compare and contrast your post with mine now. Did you see any insult whatsoever in mine? Well, you can't see your wrongs. It's understandable.

We both have a belief. I believe in a Creator while you believe there's no Creator. We both have some beliefs.

Now, I asked you a question. Rather than answer the question, you threw the question back at me.

My question is simple, let me rephrase it:

How do you know for sure that there's nothing after death, that makes you to unwittingly blaspheme and commit so much sacrilege?

You're the only one on this platform who blasphemes without any reservation.

Yet, you have no power over the breath in your nostrils. Where did you get that confide from? You can't even make yourself grow shorter or taller. You're not the determinant of your own stature.

There are many things about you that proves someone owns you. You do not own yourself, yet you blaspheme so much.

Some of us have made serious inroads into the realm of the spirit. We know what we're dealing with. But, when a blind man says there are no trees in this world, just because he can't see them, those who have sight will laugh at him. But when he vehemently makes his claims, saying "There's no tree of any sort in the whole world.", Seeing men would wonder where he gets that kind of confidence boasting from.

God dwells in a very different realm. Not the realm of flesh and blood. You need an intercourse with His realm to meet Him.

I'm very surprised at you. You see, I'm not here to convince you. I just want to know what gives you such confidence, since you've never died to know for sure that there's nothing after death.

FxMasterz:
You did exactly what I did? Hahahaha. Compare and contrast your post with mine now. Did you see any insult whatsoever in mine? Well, you can't see your wrongs. It's understandable.

We both have a belief. I believe in a Creator while you believe there's no Creator. We both have some beliefs.

Now, I asked you a question. Rather than answer the question, you threw the question back at me.

My question is simple, let me rephrase it:

How do you know for sure that there's nothing after death, that makes you to unwittingly blaspheme and commit so much sacrilege?

You're the only one on this platform who blasphemes without any reservation.

Yet, you have no power over the breath in your nostrils. Where did you get that confide from? You can't even make yourself grow shorter or taller. You're not the determinant of your own stature.

There are many things about you that proves someone owns you. You do not own yourself, yet you blaspheme so much.

Some of us have made serious inroads into the realm of the spirit. We know what we're dealing with. But, when a blind man says there are no trees in this world, just because he can't see them, those who have sight will laugh at him. But when he vehemently makes his claims, saying "There's no tree of any sort in the whole world.", Seeing men would wonder where he gets that kind of confidence boasting from.

God dwells in a very different realm. Not the realm of flesh and blood. You need an intercourse with His realm to meet Him.

I'm very surprised at you. You see, I'm not here to convince you. I just want to know what gives you such confidence, since you've never died to know for sure that there's nothing after death.

Please show me my insult, and I’ll also show your your own insult.

We both have a belief. You believe in a Creator while i believe the Creators are dogs. We both have some beliefs.


I’m not dead yet, so I don’t know.
You're not the only one on this platform who blasphemes and say I’m created by a israelite deity without any reservations, did i send you?

All what you said about your deity you read it in a book with UNKNOWN AUTHORS, is that what you base your life on?

You also don’t know if there’s something after death, you can keep believing your jewish fairy tales

FxMasterz:
Yet, you have no power over the breath in your nostrils. Where did you get that confide from? You can't even make yourself grow shorter or taller. You're not the determinant of your own stature.

There are many things about you that proves someone owns you. You do not own yourself, yet you blaspheme so much.

Some of us have made serious inroads into the realm of the spirit. We know what we're dealing with. But, when a blind man says there are no trees in this world, just because he can't see them, those who have sight will laugh at him. But when he vehemently makes his claims, saying "There's no tree of any sort in the whole world.", Seeing men would wonder where he gets that kind of confidence boasting from.

God dwells in a very different realm. Not the realm of flesh and blood. You need an intercourse with His realm to meet Him.

I'm very surprised at you. You see, I'm not here to convince you. I just want to know what gives you such confidence, since you've never died to know for sure that there's nothing after death.

All these are dumb claims you read in a book, why do you think it’s your jewish deity that gives all these, why not arabic god or various hindus god?
There are many things about you that proves Allah owns you. You do not own yourself, yet you blaspheme so much.

How do you know there’s one creator and not creators?

fxmasterz, Since you are not dead how do you know there’s something after death, or you read it in a book?
Why make dumb claims?

FxMasterz:
How do you know for sure that there's nothing after death, that makes you to unwittingly blaspheme and commit so much sacrilege?

Theist is like me asking you what is president biden doing right now, the correct answer is “YOU DON’T know” not making absurd claims from a forged book.

fxmasterz, How do you know for sure that there's something after death, that makes you foolishly believe in a random forged book with UNKNOWN AUTHORS and BASE YOUR LIFE AND PROBABLY YOUR CHILDREN LIVES ON THEM?

FxMasterz, you are an hypocrite, answer my question.

Maynman:
Please show me my insult, and I’ll also show your your own insult.

We both have a belief. You believe in a Creator while i believe the Creators are dogs. We both have some beliefs.


I’m not dead yet, so I don’t know.
You're not the only one on this platform who blasphemes and say I’m created by a israelite deity without any reservations, did i send you?

All what you said about your deity you read it in a book with UNKNOWN AUTHORS, is that what you base your life on?

You also don’t know if there’s something after death, you can keep believing your jewish fairy tales

My dear, there are many good books in the world with unknown authors. The anonymity of a book's authorship doesn't make it a bad book. It doesn't make it a false book either.

Any book that delivers on its promises to those who apply their hearts to it cannot be taken for granted. Authorship known or unknown.

The Bible is that only book which has taken me on a Spiritual journey. Given me various encounters. You see, you can't understand.

Based on what I have seen, touched and felt of the spirit realm, I can only wish you have an experience. You'll be appalled at yourself and for the grave errors you have committed which also have grave consequences.

Take note:

I have seen, felt and touched. You see, I cannot deny what I have seen, felt and touched of the spirit realm. I just pray you have an experience because it's actually something out of this world. But, once you get an experience friend, you'll never remain the same. Oh yes! You won't.

I wept the night it first happened to me. God is real. Very real. He reveals Himself. Yes, He does.

He's so loving. His Presence is full of warmth. Very loving. I can't describe His type of love. It's not something like you see in this world. There are no words on earth to describe how His Presence is. It's so awesome. For lack of vocabularies, let me just say He's so awesome. Very awesome. You can't describe it. Too wonderful. The first night I had His experience, I wept like a child. Oh, it was so sweet.

FxMasterz:
My dear, there are many good books in the world with unknown authors. The anonymity of a book's authorship doesn't make it a bad book. It doesn't make it a false book either.

Any book that delivers on its promises to those who apply their hearts to it cannot be taken for granted. Authorship known or unknown.

The Bible is that only book which has taken me on a Spiritual journey. Given me various encounters. You see, you can't understand.

Based on what I have seen, touched and felt of the spirit realm, I can only wish you have an experience. You'll be appalled at yourself and for the grave errors you have committed which also have grave consequences.

Take note:

I have seen, felt and touched. You see, I cannot deny what I have seen, felt and touched of the spirit realm. I just pray you have an experience because it's actually something out of this world. But, once you get an experience friend, you'll never remain the same. Oh yes! You won't.

I wept the night it first happened to me. God is real. Very real. He reveals Himself. Yes, He does.

He's so loving. His Presence is full of warmth. Very loving. I can't describe His type of love. It's not something like you see in this world. There are no words on earth to describe how His Presence is. It's so awesome. For lack of vocabularies, let me just say He's so awesome. Very awesome. You can't describe it. Too wonderful. The first night I had His experience, I wept like a child. Oh, it was so sweet.

My friend, Mention the “many good books” that you believe and base your life on?
Were these “good books” also edited, forged and corrected as the centuries goes by?
Were these “good books” complied from unknown sources by unknown authors?

The anonymity of a books makes it even more skeptical, talkless of basing your WHOLE life on it.
How do you know the book is referring to your audience, we know that tanakh which Chrestians call Old Testament is for jews and judaism. Why do you think it’s talking to you in Nigeria?
Under what influence/propaganda did the UNKNOWN AUTHORS write these books?

FxMasterz:
Take note:

I have seen, felt and touched. You see, I cannot deny what I have seen, felt and touched of the spirit realm. I just pray you have an experience because it's actually something out of this world. But, once you get an experience friend, you'll never remain the same. Oh yes! You won't.

I wept the night it first happened to me. God is real. Very real. He reveals Himself. Yes, He does.

He's so loving. His Presence is full of warmth. Very loving. I can't describe His type of love. It's not something like you see in this world. There are no words on earth to describe how His Presence is. It's so awesome. For lack of vocabularies, let me just say He's so awesome. Very awesome. You can't describe it. Too wonderful. The first night I had His experience, I wept like a child. Oh, it was so sweet.

Take note:
Other religions with their gods also make this same claims.
You are deluding yourself. Your god is even a man with human feelings, he is also jealous lol as told in the random books you read abi? Bwahahahah

fxmasterz, We also saw how your lovely jewish god committed homicide in the TANAKH.

LegalWolf:
Like I promised, this is my second post dedicated to answering three questions you asked. For clarity, you numbered it one to three so my response will be titled Response 1,2 and 3 corresponding to each of the issues you raised above. We should bear in mind that the ultimate aim you tried to show in the above post is that the book of John (and in extension the entirety of the NT) is a product of a divine being. Just put that at the back of your mind. Lets start the systematic annihilation of TenQ aregument... shall we

LOL!

I call in the First Witness, Muslim Apologists
My Question:
1. Is it true that From the book of John 14:16, John 14:26, John15:26 and John 16:7 you Muslims have tried to prove that Mohammed is the "Person Jesus spoke of as coming after Him" ?

LegalWolf:
RESPONSE ONE

My simple answer is that: I do not confirm or deny that Muslims have proved through the book of John that the prophet (pbuh)would come after Jesus. .

But for the sake of this argument, I will agree that some Muslims have tried to prove that who Jesus was referring to that would come after him was the prophet. HOWEVER, that does not in itself expressly mean that they accept the Book of John and the NT as the word of God. Very far from it.

It is ironic that those Muslims do exactly what you are trying to do here in your question two above. [b] I asked you whether the book of John is a product of a divine being and your response was citing Quranic verses to show that Allah implores Muslims to believe in the Scriptures revealed before the Quran. The key point here is that [b] YOU WERE CITING QURANIC VERSES to support your claim.

Now if I ask you, do you believe that the Quran is the word of God? I am near certain that your answer would be an emphatic NO. So in short, they did exactly what you did here. Or not to appear jumping the gun, so that the argument will be flawless, do you believe the Quran to be the word of God?

Your Response should be YES or NO (with or without explanations), Unfortunately thinking you are playing smart, you decided to sit on the Fence by AVOIDING a PERSONAL AFFIRMATIVE Answer.
1. Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you lie with your answer.
2. Allah says in the Quran that Mohammed's name is found written in the books of the Jews and Christians (Quran 7:157)
a. Is this a TRUE or FALSE statement by Allah?
b. If the above is TRUE, LegalWolf, where can the reference to Mohammed be found in the books of the Christians?
c. If the Mohammed is NOT Referenced by the books of the Christians, did Allah tell a lie?

-If the book of John was not of a Divine being, why do Muslims look for PROPHECIES (an attribute only God can provide) of Mohammed in it?
-I cite the Quran, Hadiths and Tafsirs (your Islamic Books) as EVIDENCE that should be ACCEPTABLE to you. Would you rather I give you evidence from the Bible: Would you have accepted 2Tim3:16 as an evidence from me?


I call in the Second Witness, Allah
My Question:

Did Allah implores Muslims to believe in the scriptures revealed before the Qur'an ?
Al-Baqarah 2:4
وَٱلَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ وَبِٱلْءَاخِرَةِ هُمْ يُوقِنُونَ
Surat-ul Baqara (2):136
Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) the prophets from their Lord; We make no difference between one and another of them.

Surat-ul Baqara (2):285
The Apostle (prophet) believeth in what hath been revealed to him from his Lord, as do the men of faith. Each one (of them) believeth in God, His angels, His books, and His apostles.

Surat-un Nisaa (4):136
O ye who believe! Believe in God, and His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). Any who denieth God, His angels, His Books, His apostles, and the Day of Judgment hath gone far, far astray.

LegalWolf:
RESPONSE TWO

To demonstrate that your bible is unsalvageable and the superiority of our logic, I will confine myself to the three quotes of the Noble Quran you referenced. This ought not to make the post overly long and unwieldy. Now, the Simple answer is: Yes Allah (SWT) implores Muslims to believe in scriptures revealed before Quran. However, NONE OF THOSE SCRIPTURES IN QUESTION IS THE NEW TESTAMENT AS WE HAVE IT TODAY .

Let me break it down for you according to the references you cited.

Q2:285

Just a side note, I am uncomfortable with the translation of 'Rasul' as apostle. I will prefer the direct meaning which is messenger or allegorical meaning which is prophet. That is just by the way. But the key point here is that the verse says and I reproduced the translation according to you as follows:

...and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus , and that given to (all) the prophets from their Lord... . The key question to consider in the context of this verse is whether the 27 canon NT is the revelation given to Jesus or the prophets from their Lord?

Apparently, and even going by Church tradition, the book of John was not revealed to start with. And even if it was revealed, it was not to Jesus but allegedly to John the son of Zebedee. Same thing with the other three Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) which were authored by apostles of Jesus and not him. Apart from these four, none of the other cannons was credited to Jesus.

Now the story would have been different if the disciples that these cannons were accredited to were prophets in Islam as the last part of the verse says ... 'prophets from their Lord'. But the Quran does not recognize any of the alleged writers/authors of the 27 cannons to be prophet. Starting from Matthew to John (alleged writer of the last book of revelation). Or does the Quran recognize any of these authors as prophets?

Q2:285

All this verse says is that we should believe in Allah's books. But the previous verse has irrefutably showed us that the NT cannot be Allah's book as it was not revealed to Jesus. How can these books be revelation to Jesus when Christian tradition is unanimous that these books were authored by his disciple not him?

Q4:136
..Believe in God, and His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to His apostle, and the scripture which He sent to those before (him). .

Again, the Quran is consistent that we should believe in the scripture sent to the prophet and those before him? DOES ANY OF THE FOUR CANONICAL BIBLE CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN REVEALED TO JESUS? If so, point it out to me?

Now compared to the Torah which Jews believed to be revealed to Moses. Rabbinic tradition [consistent amongst ashkinazim, sephardim and mizrahim] attributes Torah to Moses and not his disciples. So, if any one would even make any comment as to the Books of God mentioned in the Quran, it should be Jews and Not Christians.

It was good at least you spoke the truth about the claims of Allah about the books (Plural) of the Christians and the Jews. For clarity, i want to ask
1. Did Allah specify how many Books and Apostles of the Jews and the Christians he Referring to?
2. Were the Scriptures of the Jews and the Christians corrupted before the life time of Mohammed?
Please give evidence and I will give mine.

If Allah found the books of the Christians and Jews to be reliable, how come any of Allah's slave say otherwise!?

NOTE:
Your argument of Christian books not revealed to Jesus is Allah's problem. Christian have never remotely inferred that Jesus wrote any books

Since Allah didn't know that Jesus wasn't given any book BUT the books with the Christians he referred to as the book given to Jesus, it is your problem not ours.
3. Finally, if the books of the Christian used at the time of Mohammed is different from the current books of the Christians, bring the ORIGINAL books. If you cannot find the original books, you have no case!



I call in the Third Witness, Mohammed
My Question:
3. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?

LegalWolf:
RESPONSE THREE

What exactly is the purpose of this question as I cannot see any link with demonstrating how the book of John or the NT is a word of God.

SUMMARY OF MY POINT
- You were right in pointing that Allah said we should believe in scriptures revealed before the Quran.
- Even from the phrasing of your question 2, the key word here is revealed before the Quran.
- You attempt to show that NT is a book revealed before the Quran and thus is God's words.
- But that is a faulty premise. Unlike the Torah to Moses, the NT does not claim to be revealed by God to Jesus.
- Moreso, Christian tradition attributes the authorship of each of the Canon of the NT to people other than Jesus.
- These people are not prophets according to the Quran
- In conclusion, these 27 book canon of the NT cannot be a scripture the Quran is telling us to believe in!

Consequently, until you can show that:
(a) each and every book of the NT is revealed to Jesus just like the Torah was revealed to Moses; or

(b) that those attributed to writing the NT such as our beloved apostles are recognized in the Quran as 'rasul' or 'prophets/messengers',

Then you have failed to show that the NT is not a Book of God in Islam. CAN YOU SHOW THAT?

Did not your prophet judge from the Torah on the verse of stoning?
If the previous books were abrogated because they are not the original. how come the messenger of Allah seem not to know?
BTW: Only the Quranic verses became abrogated as soon as they were being revealed.
As a proof, Jesus confirmed (NOT abrogated) all the books revealed before the gospels.

Sahih Muslim 1699a :Book 29, Hadith 40
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that a Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) who had committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came to the Jews and said:

What do you find in Torah for one who commits adultery? They said: We darken their faces and make them ride on the donkey with their faces turned to the opposite direction (and their backs touching each other), and then they are taken round (the city). He said: Bring Torah if you are truthful. They brought it and recited it until when they came to the verse pertaining to stoning, the person who was reading placed his hand on the verse pertaining to stoning, and read (only that which was) between his hands and what was subsequent to that. Abdullah b. Salim who was at that time with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command him (the reciter) to lift his hand. He lifted it and there was, underneath that, the verse pertaining to stoning. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) pronounced judgment about both of them and they were stoned. Abdullah b. 'Umar said: I was one of those who stoned them, and I saw him (the Jew) protecting her (the Jewess) with his body.

1. Would you support the Motion that Mohammed was wrong in citing Judgement from a book that is corrupt?

Maynman:
Take note:
Other religions with their gods also make this same claims.
You are deluding yourself. Your god is even a man with human feelings, he is also jealous lol as told in the random books you read abi? Bwahahahah

fxmasterz, We also saw how your lovely jewish god committed homicide in the TANAKH.

You've choṣen your path. May it lead you to your desired destination.

Maynman:
My friend, Mention the “many good books” that you believe and base your life on?
Were these “good books” also edited, forged and corrected as the centuries goes by?
Were these “good books” complied from unknown sources by unknown authors?

The anonymity of a books makes it even more skeptical, talkless of basing your WHOLE life on it.
How do you know the book is referring to your audience, we know that tanakh which Chrestians call Old Testament is for jews and judaism. Why do you think it’s talking to you in Nigeria?
Under what influence/propaganda did the UNKNOWN AUTHORS write these books?

Smiles. You can't see what I see. So, please continue on the path you've chosen for yourself.

Have a good day.

FxMasterz:
Smiles. You can't see what I see. So, please continue on the path you've chosen for yourself.

Have a good day.

All what you see are found in a FORGED BOOK.

Theist answer my questions

My friend, Mention the “many good books” that you believe and base your life on?
Were these “good books” also edited, forged and corrected as the centuries goes by?
Were these “good books” complied from unknown sources by unknown authors?

were you lying earlier to promote your deity and forged books?
You theists have been indoctrinated to make claims without evidence.

FxMasterz:
You've choṣen your path. May it lead you to your desired destination.

You’ve chosen to base your WHOLE life on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS and if you are not careful you’ll worship ABRAHAMAIC gods till you die!

FxMasterz, Before you indoctrinate your kids with religion, hope you’ll tell them that your life is base on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS?
They need to know.

Maynman:
You’ve chosen to base your WHOLE life on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS and if you are not careful you’ll worship ABRAHAMAIC gods till you die!

FxMasterz, Before you indoctrinate your kids with religion, hope you’ll tell them that your life is base on random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS?
They need to know.

Thank you. I demonstrate to my kids that I serve a living God. They don't see Him, but wnen they see His works, they marvel.

Now, tell me what you're telling your kids. That you based your life on nothing?

FxMasterz:
Thank you. I demonstrate to my kids that I serve a living God. They don't see Him, but wnen they see His works, they marvel.

Now, tell me what you're telling your kids. That you based your life on nothing?

How do you demonstrate to your kids that you serve a living god called yahweh, by quoting random books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS?

Yahweh worshipper, I base my life on myself, I’m not that miserable to be basing my life on jewish deity and their books with UNKNOWN AUTHORS.

FxMasterz:
Thank you. I demonstrate to my kids that I serve a living God. They don't see Him, but wnen they see His works, they marvel.

My friend, Mention the “many good books” that you believe and base your life on?
Were these “good books” also edited, forged and corrected as the centuries goes by?
Were these “good books” complied from unknown sources by unknown authors?

TenQ:
LOL!

I call in the First Witness, Muslim Apologists
My Question:
1. Is it true that From the book of John 14:16, John 14:26, John15:26 and John 16:7 you Muslims have tried to prove that Mohammed is the "Person Jesus spoke of as coming after Him" ?


Your Response should be YES or NO (with or without explanations), Unfortunately thinking you are playing smart, you decided to sit on the Fence by AVOIDING a PERSONAL AFFIRMATIVE Answer.
1. Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you lie with your answer.
2. Allah says in the Quran that Mohammed's name is found written in the books of the Jews and Christians (Quran 7:157)
a. Is this a TRUE or FALSE statement by Allah?
b. If the above is TRUE, LegalWolf, where can the reference to Mohammed be found in the books of the Christians?
c. If the Mohammed is NOT Referenced by the books of the Christians, did Allah tell a lie?

-If the book of John was not of a Divine being, why do Muslims look for PROPHECIES (an attribute only God can provide) of Mohammed in it?
-I cite the Quran, Hadiths and Tafsirs (your Islamic Books) as EVIDENCE that should be ACCEPTABLE to you. Would you rather I give you evidence from the Bible: Would you have accepted 2Tim3:16 as an evidence from me?


I call in the Second Witness, Allah
My Question:



It was good at least you spoke the truth about the claims of Allah about the books (Plural) of the Christians and the Jews. For clarity, i want to ask
1. Did Allah specify how many Books and Apostles of the Jews and the Christians he Referring to?
2. Were the Scriptures of the Jews and the Christians corrupted before the life time of Mohammed?
Please give evidence and I will give mine.

If Allah found the books of the Christians and Jews to be reliable, how come any of Allah's slave say otherwise!?

NOTE:
Your argument of Christian books not revealed to Jesus is Allah's problem. Christian have never remotely inferred that Jesus wrote any books

Since Allah didn't know that Jesus wasn't given any book BUT the books with the Christians he referred to as the book given to Jesus, it is your problem not ours.
3. Finally, if the books of the Christian used at the time of Mohammed is different from the current books of the Christians, bring the ORIGINAL books. If you cannot find the original books, you have no case!



I call in the Third Witness, Mohammed
My Question:
3. Did your prophet Muhammad make judgement of stoning an adulteress by asking the Jews to refer to the Torah (remember when a Jew covered the word stoning in the Torah...LOL!)?


Did not your prophet judge from the Torah on the verse of stoning?
If the previous books were abrogated because they are not the original. how come the messenger of Allah seem not to know?
BTW: Only the Quranic verses became abrogated as soon as they were being revealed.
As a proof, Jesus confirmed (NOT abrogated) all the books revealed before the gospels.

Sahih Muslim 1699a :Book 29, Hadith 40
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that a Jew and a Jewess were brought to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) who had committed adultery. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came to the Jews and said:

What do you find in Torah for one who commits adultery? They said: We darken their faces and make them ride on the donkey with their faces turned to the opposite direction (and their backs touching each other), and then they are taken round (the city). He said: Bring Torah if you are truthful. They brought it and recited it until when they came to the verse pertaining to stoning, the person who was reading placed his hand on the verse pertaining to stoning, and read (only that which was) between his hands and what was subsequent to that. Abdullah b. Salim who was at that time with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Command him (the reciter) to lift his hand. He lifted it and there was, underneath that, the verse pertaining to stoning. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) pronounced judgment about both of them and they were stoned. Abdullah b. 'Umar said: I was one of those who stoned them, and I saw him (the Jew) protecting her (the Jewess) with his body.

1. Would you support the Motion that Mohammed was wrong in citing Judgement from a book that is corrupt?

Loooool, it's quite unfortunate that I don't know how to clearly segregate post on Nairaland so I can respond exactly in the same format you did. But to avoid confusion. I will respond to your rebuttals in paragraphs.

REBUTTAL 1

To start with. You made allegations which I rebutted by explaining that the Gospel was not revealed to Jesus as the Quran clearly stated. That explanation has not been contradicted as we speak. SHOULD I TAKE THAT AS AN ADMISSION ?
a. You said and I quote
'Can you find me Islamic/Muslim Sources that EMPHATICALLY DENY that Muhammad is Prophesied by Jesus from the book of John. Failure to find examples is a prove that you lie with your answer"

Looool, your attempt to spin logic will fail. You are the one alleging that Islamic Sources claims the prophet is prophesied in the Book of John not me. So it is you to prove that no islamic source emphatically deny that.... Telling me to look for sources to back up your allegation is, with due respect, nonsensical. It adds nothing to my line of argument.

b. You cited Q7: 157 and alleged '...Mohammed's name is found written in the books of the Jews and Christians" Is that what the verse said? You have been the one copying translated verses in your previous posts, why don't you copy and paste a translated verse then let's discuss your version.

Perhaps, the question should have been - how many books do the Christians have to start with? [b] Or put it differently, [b] is the NT as a compedium or specifically the Book of John as an independent canon been the traditional rendition of the Bible from time immemorial? [b] Or are you trying to tell me than 1800 years ago, when the Bible is mentioned, [b] what comes to mind is the 27 canon compedium that we have today??

c. See my comments above. Christians are not even united in what book constitutes the bible to start with!!!!!!!!! Some canons deemed aprocryphal in protestant churches are canonical by the Catholic. So if you cannot even agree on, and unsure of, the most fundamental book of your religion, why claim that the Prophet is not referenced by the Injil... and which gospel are we talking about?

Your last two comments - the same way you cite the Quran as evidence acceptable to me is the same way that they cite the Bible as evidence acceptable to you.

REBUTTAL TWO

All your explanation here is hogwash and yhwh's wahala. Since you are the one making the Quran as our basis for the Bible, bring evidence that the current NT was revealed to Jesus or any of the alleged disciples is a prophet according to the Quran u cited. In the absence of that, you have no case!

REBUTTAL THREE.

Still off-point. Are you confusing the topic of abrogation with the question of the NT being a dubiously forged propaganda book?