budaatum:


I think you need to go back to school to learn to read and to comport yourself in a more mature manner.

I think you should remember that I would never forget that you are the first person I ever came across who was mad enough to say that God lied in telling them Adam that they would die and that they did not die. How mad you were in those days.

Dtruthspeaker:


I think you should remember that I would never forget that you are the first person I ever came across who was mad enough to say that God lied in telling them Adam that they would die and that they did not die. How mad you were in those days.

DT, I never said any such nonsense, because no God could ever tell such a lie!

What you can't get through your thick head is that those who wrote that in the Bible might have lied to you. After all, we can all clearly see that Adam and Eve lived a very long and fruitful life after eating the fruit they were told they would surely die if they ate.

But I'm not surprised, as you've shown yourself to be a believer of information given to you, and are not capable of processing it into knowledge, not to talk of into wisdom.

budaatum:

But to understand that, you'd need to understand the yahoo yahoo of those who wrote the text.

And for that, you'd need to open your eyes and see for yourself instead of believing what you are told.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil..hmmm,
It is one of two special trees in the garden the other being the tree of life.
I want to take a different path on this one.

Look at it like this.
God created a being and gave it the ability to choose, to make choices. God comes and says do not eat of that tree. Day in day out man obeys this command. I think God must have thought to himself. "This creation is not right yet" he has not made a different choice....so God sent the snake to see if they will understand and make another choice. And low and behold, they make a contrary decision. They now have the burden of making a choice between good and evil. Since then it has been one hell of a fight.
They ate from the tree and death became their companion. With fear, they await it because they never knew what it was and when it will come...
They where thereafter set away from the garden so they don't put their hand on the tree of life and live forever....

sonmvayina:


God created a being and gave it the ability to choose, to make choices. God comes and says do not eat of that tree. Day in day out man obeys this command.

Sounds like a command, to me, and not a choice. It's like claiming, "Thou shalt not kill", is a choice and not a commandment. If a parent gives a child such a command, one wouldn't call it a choice.

sonmvayina:

I think God must have thought to himself. "This creation is not right yet" he has not made a different choice....so God sent the snake to see if they will understand and make another choice.

Now, that's just evil! If a parent tempted their child this way and then decided to punish said child when said child is tempted and disobeys, one should call social services to take said child from said patent!

budaatum:


DT, I never said any such nonsense, because no God could ever tell such a lie!

Your words say you did!

Dtruthspeaker:

Your words say you did!

You lack the ability to comprehend my words because you have not eaten the fruits of knowledge that will enable you to comprehend my words, DT.

See it here you lying thing.

nlPoster:
Since Adam and Eve remained alive after God told them they would surely die if they ate the fruit (they actually lived longer than almost everybody after them), what exactly can we infer from the story? I would like people's opinions.

budaatum:

God lied!

(Or the record in the Bible is corrupted.)

You could not even counter muttleylaff when he corrected you

MuttleyLaff:

budaatum:
God lied!
(Or the record in the Bible is corrupted.)

Neither. Not either God lied or that the record in the Bible is corrupted.

God, in fact, lol, was spot on the money, lol. God was exactly correct and very accurate when He said A&E will "surely die". We all are dying slowly...

And yesterday, you confessed the Truth that God never lied and that they did die"!

Dtruthspeaker:
See it here you lying thing.

And yesterday, you confessed the Truth that God never lied and that they did die"!

Go on DT. Read it again, slowly this time.

budaatum:

God lied!

(Or the record in the Bible is corrupted.)

In this part of world, we must have been led astray by a book, we do not ask questions, we have a bible message which has not done any good... After 2000 years by now, if that story portrays peace I think we should seen actual peace on Earth...It is not possible to give what you don't have, the story of the bible is not capable of allowing PEACE, LOVE, UNITY but only ONE who is an embodiment of these attributes...I like what you said, God lied or the bible account was not true, is God a liar? Never, I am 100% sure bible account is not the actual truth of Our God and Our Lord Jesus Christ....So when one lacks real fact about a story then result will not be achieved..Let me sight an example, my Leader Olumba Olumba Obu has come with an unadulterated truth, but those who have seen the benefits which these truth is capable of doing calumnize the sect Brotherhood of the Cross and Star because they cannot kill He, Leader Olumba Olumba Obu...Now, to the main topic, what if that was and has still been the original intention of the sowers of discord, they have reached a knowledge of Good and Evil, so they allow their evil to beclad their good for selfish reasons, or to be direct to be able to oppress those who have the wrong message about God....Let me state here Nigeria Government does not operate in a saner manner but intimidate and oppress any/everyone that refused to aligned with their pattern of Government, However, God still gives them life to breath, this shows us that God is love but if you seek, knock and ask for the REAL truth, trust me you will find, it is at that point that you can see clearly that God was never an unapproachable person but one who has always been with us physically, in the Earth as flesh and blood and in the spirit too, or to make it more explicit, He operates in an Omni form, operating in sync with all that is in existence and not in existence....It is not possible for God to tempt man but it is true that God can advise man against certain choices and as a loving God the ills of making a certain choice which may be detriment to our growth, Let me use myself as an example, as a little child, those days, my Dad would instruct me to go to the bethel(House of God) to learn and educate my mind, instead I was educating fantasies by using that period to see movies in the cinema, the product of my choice was not learning what should have enhanced my mind to be productive, invariably, reaping what I sow...Same thing applies with God, He loves us and has advised us to shun fornication, drinking, lies, stealing, etc, but because we have been taught by one of those of his children who want you to perpetually remain enslaved to them, they come to you that God expects us to drink, fornicate afterall that is why God created human beings, at this point, your choices will be the teacher to tell which was actually truth by what the effects will be as a result of the choice you make, I like to think of it this way, what if God had a woman, and somehow a child was born, while God was teaching the child, the woman was there misdirecting the child, at that point, God knows that he loved both the woman and the child, how would he correct the child because if he is harsh on the woman the growing child will or might believe that is the best way to correct, but while he is correcting the woman who proved stubborn to learn, will you blame God for not killing or destroying the woman because he is also interested in her also learning from him too irrespective of the time that she shall repent, now instead of the woman advising the child to listen to God started to instigate God to the child....How would you believe this story? It will require your mind to substantiate it.....So, why all this, it is time to start asking questions, in the past, I was lied to, that if you try to know God you will go insane that mind started to work on me, but God expects us to ask questions, definitely he would be glad to answer all our questions.....To that effect, Oh Heavenly Father I know you are here, broaden our intellects as you open hearts, mind and spirit to understand what the tree of good and evil is....At Buddatum,Sir, Salute you, but I give allegiance to my Leader, Teacher and Master Olumba Olumba Obu is inspiring to say all that I have said, also, know that God can come in any form, as a man, woman, child, old woman and in any form, if you are PURE you will be worthy of his everlasting words of life.....I am a member of Brotherhood of the Cross and Star

Freeze007:
In this part of world, we must have been led astray by a book, we do not ask questions, we have a bible message which has not done any good...

You are not led astray by a book! What leads you astray is your misunderstanding of the book and those who 0reach it to you.

Those who brought it to you too were led astray by their misunderstanding for about 1500 years, until they opened their eyes and read the book and began asking question. And only a fool would not agree that they eventually ruled over and subdued and dominated. They ruled large parts of Africa after all, and they have constant light. And their language is spoken on most of the earth.

Freeze007:
After 2000 years by now, if that story portrays peace I think we should seen actual peace on Earth...It is not possible to give what you don't have, the story of the bible is not capable of allowing PEACE, LOVE, UNITY but only ONE who is an embodiment of these attributes...

But the stories in the Bible do teach peace and love and unity, if understood. And enlightenment too.

Freeze007:
I like what you said, God lied or the bible account was not true, is God a liar? Never, I am 100% sure bible account is not the actual truth of Our God and Our Lord Jesus Christ....So when one lacks real fact about a story then result will not be achieved.

Gods can not lie. And the Bible account is very true. What's not true and is a lie is current understanding, and its actually when one lacks understanding and just believes, that one fails to see the truth the Bible teaches. Unfortunately, most believe what those Christ said "woe" to preach, without realising they give serpents instead of the bread of life.

Let me assure you that the Bible, with all its contradictions and falsehoods, is the "actual truth of Our God and Our Lord Jesus Christ". You just need to have your eyes opened so that you may see it for yourself.

Below is an exercise for you.
https://www.nairaland.com/6795272/reeves-pass

Freeze007:
Now, to the main topic, what if that was and has still been the original intention of the sowers of discord, they have reached a knowledge of Good and Evil, so they allow their evil to beclad their good for selfish reasons, or to be direct to be able to oppress those who have the wrong message about God....

The original intention of the book is to empower you. But those who preach it to you have not reached a knowledge of Good and Evil, and do not understand. And that is why you are sent the Holy Ghost, so you may look and see for yourself instead of believing your preachers.

It's not that those who preach discord do it on purpose. They are just blind, and many follow them. And when you understand, you will learn to forgive them, for they know not what they do.

Freeze007:
Let me state here Nigeria Government ...

They are like the ignorant preachers I mention above. One must learn to govern oneself instead of be governed by others.

Freeze007:
It is not possible for God to tempt man ....

This, incidentally, was my very first question of the Bible when I read it at 9 years old.

"Dad", I said, "why would a God be playing kalokalo with the life of Job". Dad said I should seek the answer for myself, and my task for the next 20 or so years was set.

Freeze007:
So, why all this, it is time to start asking questions, in the past, I was lied to, that if you try to know God you will go insane that mind started to work on me,

You might indeed go insane when you realise the extent to which you allowed yourself to be lied to and deceived, but the truth shall eventually set you free.
https://www.nairaland.com/1412636/non-christian-chatbox-sticky/234#118013497

Freeze007:
At Buddatum,Sir, Salute you, but I give allegiance to my Leader,

Do know that if you transfer your allegiance to buda, you will just be exchanging one master for another while you remain a slave.

Instead, you should transfer your allegiance to yourself so you may be your own master. For only after you master yourself may more (rule over the earth and dominate and subdue it), be demanded of you.

This is an excerpt from Leader Olumba Olumba Obu answering you your question who I am sure is/was aware of this time to come, therefore hear him out

ACHIEVEMENTS
To attend a university and graduate in any discipline does not constitute civilization. To be able to learn and speak another man's language does not signify civilization. Those of you who can speak foreign languages fluently, can these foreigners speak your language? Where then, is the civilization of this world? Whoever is civilized does not practise discrimination, nepotism, tribalism or oppression. Those at the peak of government who could rightly be considered as being civilized are even the worse set of fools. They begrudge, hate, backbite, and petition one another. Once one is promoted or his salary increased, others will petition against such achievement. What then is the wisdom in such practices? Does it not reveal man's foolishness and vanity? Also, if your village is at war with another, perhaps because of boundary dispute, and you kill people from that village, do you think that the other villagers will not kill your people? These catastrophes, in fact are the end result of the forbidden tree whose fruits men did eat: the tree of good and evil. Whatever a man does constitutes good and evil and is retributive. Therefore, there is no carnal wisdom that can lead men unto eternal life. The significance of that good and evil in the fruit of that tree in the garden could be explained as follows: If you "successfully" cart away one's property without being seen, you will regard yourself as being lucky. This is the good side of the fruit. However, the repercussions of that action is the evil effect, and consequently it leads to death. The world is so filled with evil such that sincerity is cast away. For instance, if a child picks up some money on the road, or field and is sincere enough to hand it over to the owner, his parents, neighbours and friends will regard him as being foolish. But somebody that would pick up money and promptly run home with it, even if the owner was there weeping, such a finder will be hailed and considered to be very clever and fast. Is such a person actually clever? Is there any sign of cleverness in such an action? That is the tree of good and evil. Therefore, when you cheat somebody, know that you are cheating yourself. If you kill somebody, know that it is yourself you are killing. Whatever you do unto another person, know that you are doing it unto yourself. This is a secret wisdom. This is the kind of knowledge that is not obtainable in any conventional or carnal school or church. It is the wisdom of truth I have brought unto the entire world.












quote author=budaatum post=117810321]And how would you eat its fruit?

We talk about it a lot but never define what it is, so here's your opportunity to have a go.[/quote]

There was a something called "past". We all saw it because past had completely gone through the process of fulfilling its potential and arrived at being the Perfect Ideal Past, or at least the only past that was visible to us all and that we all saw.

Then something - say, time, interacted with that past such that now is no more the past that was. Now is an imperfect form of that past that was. A lesser form of the past that used to be. Now is a non-past of that past that was because that past has begun to fulfil its potential to become visible in the ideal form of what the non-past has the potential to become.

When that non-past has completely gone through the process of fulfilling its potential, that something will become visible in the perfect ideal form of the future that it had the potential to become.

Ref: https://www.nairaland.com/7718520/earth-flat-not-spherical/6#123819551

Now, have another go.

budaatum:
And how would you eat its fruit?

We talk about it a lot but never define what it is, so here's your opportunity to have a go.