sonmvayina:


Experience, I tried it when I was younger and deep inside me I knew I had done something wrong.my conscience kept judging me..so I desist from doing it again ...I am talking about fornication . as for adultery, I no fit do that kind thing..another man wife, wey e don pay bride price and them don pour drink from ground..my custom and tradition forbids it....it leads to death or madness.
Then idolatry means worshipping anything other than the creator or going through any God to get to him..and the only way to worship our creator is to obey his natural and spiritual laws..

So what of those who tried it and their conscience never judged them?
Why is your custom and tradition a standard for other people to follow?

GeneralDae:

So what of those who tried it and their conscience never judged them?
Why is your custom and tradition a standard for other people to follow?

I should be asking you that? Why are you following the customs and tradition of the Jews ..
I am Igbo..I follow the customs and tradition of my people..it is my identity...

I hear smoking mariguana helps them to get through it..I have never tried it..

sonmvayina:


I should be asking you that? Why are you following the customs and tradition of the Jews ..
I am Igbo..I follow the customs and tradition of my people..it is my identity...

I hear smoking mariguana helps them to get through it..I have never tried it..

He asked a simple question. So if your customs and traditions don't forbid adultery, you won't know that it's bad abi?
You're telling me about idolatry. I've said stop quoting Moses if you say he's a fictional character.

sonmvayina:


Experience, I tried it when I was younger and deep inside me I knew I had done something wrong.my conscience kept judging me..so I desist from doing it again ...I am talking about fornication

So the people who think premarital sex is a norm today are fools right?
That one is your own conscience. Your conscience isn't the same as others. People, especially young ones are fond of the saying: “As long as two consenting [young] adults come together to have sex and aren't hurting anybody, then it's okay and alright.”
That's the result of setting standards for yourself.
To them it's widely accepted and their conscience never pricks them whenever they indulge in it.
So why don't they JUST KNOW that the act is wrong?!

sonmvayina:


I should be asking you that? Why are you following the customs and tradition of the Jews ..
I am Igbo..I follow the customs and tradition of my people..it is my identity...

I hear smoking mariguana helps them to get through it..I have never tried it..

Why are you following the custom of your people, the Igbos?
Why don't you just figure out that adultery is wrong without someone telling you?

DappaD:


Why are you following the custom of your people, the Igbos?
Why don't you just figure out that adultery is wrong without someone telling you?

It is my identity...it is who I am...No body told me,, it is not good..I went to school, I have attended traditional wedding..I know the prayers and advice they give...I learn. That is what life is all about..learn and grow..not believe blindly..

DappaD:


So the people who think premarital sex is a norm today are fools right?
That one is your own conscience. Your conscience isn't the same as others. People, especially young ones are fond of the saying: “As long as two consenting [young] adults co nume together to have sex and aren't hurting anybody, then it's okay and alright.”
That's the result of setting standards for yourself.
To them it's widely accepted and their conscience never pricks them whenever they indulge in it.
So why don't they JUST KNOW that the act is wrong?!

It is wrong for me...I am not saying it has to be wrong for everybody..there are tribes that give their wives to their guest....depends on the custom and tradition of the people and their land...I am not the judge..

DappaD:


He asked a simple question. So if your customs and traditions don't forbid adultery, you won't know that it's bad abi?
You're telling me about idolatry. I've said stop quoting Moses if you say he's a fictional character.

It is not everything I must do..if people do it and get away with it, it is their gain..I don't subscribe to it..it is a waste of time and energy for me...I would rather sit down and write poems or stories...idolatry means worshipping anything aside your creator..man, snake, moon, sun, river...these things are creations..they are not the creator..

sonmvayina:


It is wrong for me...I am not saying it has to be wrong for everybody..there are tribes that give their wives to their guest....depends on the custom and tradition of the people and their land...I am not the judge..

My question has and always has been this:


“IF YOUR CUSTOMS AND TRADITION DON'T TELL YOU ADULTERY IS WRONG, YOU WON'T KNOW IT'S WRONG? MUST SOMEBODY TELL YOU FIRST? WHY DON'T YOU JUST KNOW?”

You see, that's what you get when you try using the same logic on the Bible. So you agree everybody is following their own customs abi
If I follow what the Bible says, of what concern is it to you since you're also following the customs of the Igbos?

DappaD:


My question has and always has been this:


“IF YOUR CUSTOMS AND TRADITION DON'T TELL YOU ADULTERY IS WRONG, YOU WON'T KNOW IT'S WRONG? MUST SOMEBODY TELL YOU FIRST? WHY DON'T YOU JUST KNOW?”

You see, that's what you get when you try using the same logic on the Bible. So you agree everybody is following their own customs abi
If I follow what the Bible says, of what concern is it to you since you're also following the customs of the Igbos?

Lol..the Jewish God is anti Christ...he is more similar to the Igbo Chukwu...

sonmvayina:


Must you lie to achieve it....just tell people, don't do it..and give them reasons why it is wrong...Not give them false hope that they will live in a better world or in paradise in the future...

Do you see how useless your philosophy and any other is when it comes to solving this world problem.

We're both highligting the benefits of the knowledge we're taking in from the book in regards to the present world problem
You can even refute any of the rewards the organization I presented to you "with the usage of the book(Bible)" is enjoying"

Do you think all these Olympic, world cup for sports, paegentry is for entertainment? : It's meant to unite people of all nations and eradicate racism which we all know it's to futile.
I presented to you an organization with the use of a Book (Bible)that have eradicate 'racisms' completely among themselves with people of different cultural background uniting together with a vow never to raise weapon and kill people in pursuit of peace .

You think I shouldn't share the benefits of the knowledge I acquired from the book because your 'consciousness god' will be angry?

Try another Joke!

haddeylium:


Do you see how useless your philosophy and any other is when it comes to solving this world problem.

We're both highligting the benefits of the knowledge we're taking in from the book in regards to the present world problem
You can even refute any of the rewards the organization I presented to you "with the usage of the book(Bible)" is enjoying"

Do you think all these Olympic, world cup for sports, paegentry is for entertainment? : It's meant to unite people of all nations and eradicate racism which we all know it's to futile.
I presented to you an organization with the use of a Book (Bible)that have eradicate 'racisms' completely among themselves with people of different cultural background uniting together with a vow never to raise weapon and kill people in pursuit of peace .

You think I shouldn't share the benefits of the knowledge I acquired from the book because your 'consciousness god' will be angry?

Try another Joke!

I have most of the watch tower publication ..more than you can ever imagine....but guess what..I have never seen a black angel in the illustration . why so ? Racism grandeur ..

budaatum:

Don't you worry about me making a fool of myself, concern yourself with what you make of yourself. If you'd bother to read the book you'd have found it written in there that it was [b]because God loved the world so much, but an answer was not your intent or you world [/b]have put in some effort to read the book I suppose instead of showing you can't bother.

Was it before or after the same book said he drowned every living soul save just a family ?

GeneralDae:

God needed a son because he loved the world so much and was in search of a man.

You are my son, today I have begotten you ( Psalms)

Is thst not whst the jewish prophet wrote about? A man that will deliver them from their oppresors and enemy. Not to die for their sins. God has already given them a solution to the problem of sin in 2nd chronicles 7:14

MaxInDHouse:


Your repetition of the word "cult" proves how insincere you are my friend!

Nobody asked you to join any cult your incessant posts on Nairaland surely means you believe in convincing your fellowman to reason along with you. There is nothing bad getting the datas of people who agreed on the same line of thought in order to continue exchanging ideas and encouraging one another to keep up with good works upon which you agreed. That's what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing in the name of Jesus Christ! Hebrew 10:24-25
So if you're now calling that cultism please tell me how you plan to move ahead with those who agree with you as you're always trying to make people reason along with you on Nairaland!

God never commanded such, where did paul get his information from? What authority does he have? And how did his petsonal letter to the hebrews become the "word of God"?

You really are a bit of an olodo, aren't you? See you dragging me into teaching you in nursery class after making out you were a graduate lecturer. Thankfully, you are learning your place, so pay close attention.

sonmvayina:
Was it before or after the same book said he drowned every living soul save just a family ?

First, let us rephrase your question so it reads properly and hides your ignorance and shows some intelligence.

Was it before or after it is written in the same book that said he drowned every living soul save just a family?

I hope you understand the above. I mean, is it not true that the book never ever spoke to you and you just read it yourself?

Now, let us address the flood itself. Remember you said Jesus was mythical? Do tell, if Jesus was mythical, what is God? Can you see how your question is like asking if Ikemefuna really died after Okonkwo is written to have killed him?

Now, homework. Go do some research about world floods, would you please, and let me know if a God flooded the entire world as you've suggested, and drowned every living soul, as you seem to believe.

Do not be lazy now, son.

budaatum:
You really are a bit of an olodo, aren't you? See you dragging me into teaching you in nursery class after making out you were a graduate lecturer. Thankfully, you are learning your place, so pay close attention.



First, let us rephrase your question so it reads properly and hides your ignorance and shows some intelligence.

Was it before or after it is written in the same book that said he drowned every living soul save just a family?

I hope you understand the above. I mean, is it not true that the book never ever spoke to you and you just read it yourself?

Now, let us address the flood itself. Remember you said Jesus was mythical? Do tell, if Jesus was mythical, what is God? Can you see how your question is like asking if Ikemefuna really died after Okonkwo is written to have killed him?

Now, homework. Go do some research about world floods, would you please, and let me know if a God flooded the entire world as you've suggested, and drowned every living soul, as you seem to believe.

Do not be lazy now, son.

The hallmark of a dullard is to shift a question to somebody else when asked simple questions..keep at it..

Shalom

sonmvayina:


The hallmark of a dullard is to shift a question to somebody else when asked simple questions..keep at it..

Shalom

I think the hallmark of a dullard is an inability to use your own mind and brain and to expect to be spoonfed.

I see your type everywhere blaming others for your own ignorance and stupidity and empty belly while waiting for manna to fall into your mouth.

budaatum:

I think the hallmark of a dullard is an inability to use your own mind and brain and to expect to be spoonfed.

I see your type everywhere blaming others for your own ignorance and stupidity and empty belly while waiting for manna to fall into your mouth.

You are the one claiming an adsurdity, i am simply asking you to clarify your stance and you are doing a runner...

budaatum:

I think the hallmark of a dullard is an inability to use your own mind and brain and to expect to be spoonfed.

I see your type everywhere blaming others for your own ignorance and stupidity and empty belly while waiting for manna to fall into your mouth.

You’re so quick to insult people!!! Is that a trait of Buddha, Atum or Jesus?
He asked a simple question but instead of a yes or no answer, you argued semantics then dismissed him. I’m not defending Sonmavayina, just an observation.

Again, do you believe (or understand) that the flood happened??

Martian:


You’re so quick to insult people!!! Is that a trait of Buddha, Atum or Jesus?

Zen. To provoke those who have brains.

And I do not agree that I am quick to insult people and think you have not read buda enough to have accumulated sufficient data to accuse buda of what you accuse buda of.

Have you so quickly forgotten our one and only conversation Martian?

Martian:


Mr. Buda "who is not a believer but has read a book" Atum. May the bimbim of the Pixie be upon you.
A man from Tarsus wrote to some people in Corinth and claimed to speak with the "tongue of angels", what do you "understand" ,not "believe", this to mean?

Gift of prophecy?
Understands all mysteries?
All knowledge? ****this guy is not lacking in self esteem"*****
Faith to remove mountains?!!!! Literally or figuratively?

Martian:

He asked a simple question but instead of a yes or no answer, you argued semantics then dismissed him. I’m not defending Sonmavayina, just an observation.

You do not know where our conversation began, just as you seem to have forgotten where you and I left off. After many years of not reading buda despite being on the same threads often, below is a link to where the current saga began.

Read it. Then return to accuse buda please after you've seen it evolve.

https://www.nairaland.com/6319053/when-eve-charged-court-charges#97208657

Martian:
Again, do you believe (or understand) that the flood happened??

I really do not understand why you keep asking me this despite me repeatedly answering you so, here. One more time.

Martian, buda does not do believe, period.

buda is far too proud of buda's ignorance and has the greatest desire to fill buda's mind with knowledge so buda has no space nor time to create stupid crap in buda's head and ignorantly believe it is the truth or facts.

If you do some research about world floods you'd likely not believe them neither, I think, hence son's homework.

He will learn that buda does not feed lazy fuqs!

budaatum:




I really do not understand why you keep asking me this despite me repeatedly answering you so, here. One more time.

[b]Martian, buda does not do believe, period[/b

If you do some research about world floods you'd likely not believe them neither, I’m

Buda doesn’t believe unless it’s convenient for him to quote the book to support his assumptions. If you don’t believe the book, why argue about it’s interpretation?

E.g Garden of Eden. You and Dtruthspeaker have an argument going on about what really happened or what the story is supposed to mean. The only people that try to ascribe any meaning to that story are believers of Judaism and Christianity. To anybody else, it’s just a Jewish cultural myth that doesn’t have any hidden meaning or significance.
I mean, would you argue about the meaning of thetans or the significance of xenu?

To put the goal post back in place for the benefit of the paying audience. The question was not about world floods but one specific story in the Hebrew bible, to wit Noah’s Flood.

Anyway, back to regularly scheduled programming.

Martian:

Buda doesn’t believe unless it’s convenient for him to quote the book to support his assumptions. If you don’t believe the book, why argue about it’s interpretation?

You make me bang my head against the wall. Is this what they taught you in Martian school?

If a person quotes that "the area of the square whose side is the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the areas of the squares on the other two sides", do you also assume it is only because they must believe it?

What if they are architects who have built bridges with derivatives of the quote, is it also because they believe it too, or because they have tested it and found it to be so because they have evidence and know instead and understand that which they quote?

I better not quote "to be or not to be" or you'd probably say one must be a question.

Martian:

E.g Garden of Eden. You and Dtruthspeaker have an argument going on about what really happened or what the story is supposed to mean. The only people that try to ascribe any meaning to that story are believers of Judaism and Christianity.

Who told you that you have to be a "believer of Judaism and Christianity" to interpret the Bible? Did they also brainwash your head that you must believe Okonkwo struck down Ikemefuna or things will fall apart?

Did you yourself not call them myths, Martian? If so, perhaps all I need to do to read a book of myths and understand what I read is a brain in my skull and the ability to use it, don't you think?

Martian:
To anybody else, it’s just a Jewish cultural myth that doesn’t have any hidden meaning or significance.
I mean, would you argue about the meaning of thetans or the significance of xenu?

First, please. I have already educated you on your over generalisations and I'm hurt that you insist. You are Martian.I do not want to need to continue to educate you that you are not just "anybody else"!

On thetans and xenu, I'm afraid they were missing on the curriculum I studied, but I'm certain there's a library somewhere with books on the subject if the need ever arises that I have to inform myself.

Martian:

To put the goal post back in place for the benefit of the paying audience. The question was not about world floods but one specific story in the Hebrew bible, to wit Noah’s Flood.

Was Noah's flood not described as a whole of the earth flood in your book of myths?

If there really are other world floods a person who uses their mind might wonder why they are not in the Bible and which God then caused them, but I guess you have not been given permission to interpret and understand what you read. Is that why you have no opinion on the matter too, after all, you are a Martian and not a "believer of Judaism and Christianity", or are you?

Tnx supermod.

Speaklove what does God need a son for?

sonmvayina:
Speaklove what does God need a son for?

Luke 3:38

MaxInDHouse:


Luke 3:38

What does it say?

sonmvayina:

What does it say?

Never mind, it's speaking to those concerned i just quoted for those that has regard for it but as for you continue worshiping your God!

MaxInDHouse:


Never mind, it's speaking to those concerned i just quoted for those that has regard for it but as for you continue worshiping your God!

Lol...

You are basically saying God wanted a son because the gospel writers said he had a son.

sonmvayina:


Lol...

You are basically saying God wanted a son because the gospel writers said he had a son.

You're not making any sense. See, Jesus Christ existed long before the universe was made, the Bible calls him the firstborn of all creation. Logically, Jehovah God was alone but not lonely as if he is incomplete or needing something but wanting to share his gift of life, He made his son and later other spirit creatures. Rightfully, Jesus Christ is called God's only begotten son as he made Jesus Christ directly and then used Jesus Christ in creating every other thing.
Jesus Christ appearance on earth was because that was God's means of salvation for mankind. He came to tell all about his father and how to gain his approval and to offer his perfect life as a Ransom sacrifice to gain what Adam lost. The Gospel writers are just giving an account of what happened