I know how much I feel lonely here too, though I don't talk about it. What I do is I make sure I visit Nigeria every time for sanity. These lonely places can savage sanity. Life is actually More than 24hrs light, which you pay for heavily, anyways.

OP, one advise I can give is don't leave Canada for now. Try as much as you can to be visiting Nigeria anytime you can. Don't tell people in Nigeria about your intention to be coming home. They'll erase that thought into oblivion because they're clueless about what you're going through. Only you know what you're going through

You're high.

The wealthy and middle class try to leave Nigeria once they have medical issues.

As USA, Canada, are difficult to visit for medical reasons (unless you already have a non medical visa and you know a private doctor/hospital), India is now the major destination.

My family is middle class and I know people who are rich rich. They all have abroad visas and passports.

Bksense:

Okay thank. Again, I attribute this to ignorance. Maybe if you get to know some of us have been to these countries y'all glorify, it'll make a little difference

Aareona:
Earlier this year, I went back in time to few years back when I was doing so well in Nigeria. The noises from friends and all nurtured the decision to move abroad inside of me. I became so restless till I finally leave. The first day in Canada was the day I knew this place isn't where I can be forever. Most of us would have come back before the time we had in mind except for the fact that I don't still have enough. If I want to travel to naija for vacation now, I will need up to $4k. If I take that away from my savings, I don't know how I can recover.

No one tells about the downside of this place. I feel lonely, depressed and empty most times. Because no one to talk to, just everyone in my workplace goin about their business. If I make attempt to talk to them, they just waive it with a smile. It's been 3years here and the people I still talk to on video call are friends from Nigeria. It's been 3years and my savings is still Short of $20k despite how much my friends in Nigeria do tell me how easy it is for me to make money abroad but I never tell them my situation. I can't wait to make enough and leave Canada for good. I know a lot will come at me with the usuall "come back to Nigeria na", please this is not an attempt to denigrate your abroad heaven, just for me to rant out and be fine

The truth of the matter is that no human can or will have it all.

Don't mind the guy. Some of them are anti-japa online for selfish reasons or bad belle.

The OP Aareona should get his citizenship, save at least 50k in guaranteed savings (probably GICs), then carry 10k or 20k and relocate to Nigeria.

MufasaLion:



You still don't get it. And stop drifting away from reality. Even Buhari will likely die if he should have a heart attack! Can the National Hospital handle it? No!

Mr. Osinbajo had a surgery in a private clinic in Lagos and it was celebrated. Shame!

Go and read my first comment and digest properly, this time, slowly!

And no, I'm not glorifying the developed nations, it's just the reality.

ModestGal:

I really need the PMP, though I already manage projects, but mehn,its tough because I learn while working. I really need to have Agile, Scrum and PMP knowledge, those I found are just one group and my sister keeps telling me those things are easy, I should not waste money. I'm ready to spend upto $3k for courses next year, please recommend a good company for me

read the resources on scrum.org and take the certificationd there. Eac one costs like 150USD. I ll advise to do both Scrum Master and Scrum Product Owner

for PMP, Rita Mulchay's books used to be the gold standard for self-study. i don't know if this has changed. I had my PMP in 2008 so it's been quite a while.

As enterprise Agile is gaining a foothold, think more in terms of Product/Service Management rather than Project management

ednut1:
Lol this guy is not in Canada. I’m cutting in Nigeria on holiday. I have not spent up to 2k dols yet. Flight was 1,400. The person opening all these thread is muna something. Can’t remember his full moniker. He is just frustrated and bitter

My boss has spoken

Thortp:
I commented 1st on that thread.
The same Agbaje who can't pay his staff well. Most of bank IT workers don japa already.

You see Nigeria's no. 1 problem is there is no even distribution of wealth. We are OPEC member but nothing to show for it. Please watch Qatar World cup documentary to see what they call an oil producing country.

It takes a loving and sincere person to lead you to the path of prosperity bro

yeah uneven wealth distribution but also a low GDP per capita. Our population is 70 times of Qatar while our GDP is only 2 times of Qatar so even with equal wealth distribution, a Qatari is 35 times more prosperous than a Nigerian

monex:


read the resources on scrum.org and take the certificationd there. Eac one costs like 150USD. I ll advise to do both Scrum Master and Scrum Product Owner

for PMP, Rita Mulchay's books used to be the gold standard for self-study. i don't know if this has changed. I had my PMP in 2008 so it's been quite a while.

As enterprise Agile is gaining a foothold, think more in terms of Product/Service Management rather than Project management

Thank you. But in my line of work, I manage projects not products. I could have two projects at once that I am managing. I usually use traditional methods for my project management

Do we even have an accurate statistics in the 1st place that can determine our GDP?
The leaders are just doing what they like without questions.
We should even start with sharing the little declared generated revenue evenly.

monex:


yeah uneven wealth distribution but also a low GDP per capita. Our population is 70 times of Qatar while our GDP is only 2 times of Qatar so even with equal wealth distribution, a Qatari is 35 times more prosperous than a Nigerian

cooooooks:
Don't mind the guy. Some of them are anti-japa online for selfish reasons or bad belle.

The OP Aareona should get his citizenship, save at least 50k in guaranteed savings (probably GICs), then carry 10k or 20k and relocate to Nigeria.

Nigerians �. Sometimes I feel ashamed to think I come from a country where y'all are like this. Imagine how you think just because someone share his pain here. If you can actually open your brain, and think you'll see the OP isn't discouraging japa. He only share his concern and according to him, he want to vent. He said this because he knows how his country people reasons. Most of y'all can't reason beyond emotion as far as it concern abroad. You whitewash white people a lot, thinking these people care about you. Only a Nigerian wiil curse his country to get sympathy From his White master

pansophist:
I've always made my dislike for Canada known on this forum from day one. I can understand if one has no other options of a better place to live, but Canada should be the extreme bottom of choice if you have options.

I have visited Canada lots of times and just hates it there. Too depressing, boring, freezing cold and dark. Snows everywhere like huge heap of sand, and people hardly mix.

Just get the passport and leave. But to call it your permanent home, you must be one hell of a kind of a person.

Canada has a good social system and ideal for families/raising kids

For economic migration, US is miles ahead.

also note that our concept of wealth and that in most of this countries is different. If you are thinking of making/saving a fortune then you'd probably be dissapointed. You earn to spend and live a quality life. Credit is easily accessible so you can live that life and continue to work all your life. that's how the society develops by maxmising factors of production.

ModestGal:

Thank you. But in my line of work, I manage projects not products. I could have two projects at once that I am managing. I usually use traditional methods for my project management

you wont go wrong with a PMP then

monex:


you wont go wrong with a PMP then

I really wish I could have tutors,diy is not easy and time consuming

gaby:
Human wants/needs are indeed insatiable.

Una go complain about Naija, complain about U.S., complain about U.K...so so complain.

Carry dem go heaven dem go still complain say the place too white or the angels clothes as dem depict am to us too bright...haba..

God, nature, and the universe abhors ingratitude and complains to no end.
Why would your savings not perpetually be hovering below the 20k mark when all you see and do is negatives?

Una no understand life and her workings.

You attract what you exhude...logic, but not a simple one to wrap an immature and inexperirnced mind around.

Whiners....

Make una get to work and mould your ideal country. We dey wait.

Integration, acclimatization, and adjustment are always foreign to you whiners and negativists.

NB
Are Nigerians the only people emigrating to the West?

Go to the US, Canada, and the UK to understand that Nigerians are learners in migration.

These other immigrants particularly the Indians and Latinos migrate in droves, set up businesses, and taking up much of the business spaces while helping each other grow and expand.

Buy our own na "I want be the only one to succeed so that every one go dey worship me and if I fail in that regards, I'd start canceling and discouraging emigration over unfounded half-truths".

The US for example was made by immigrants and slaves and is today a melting pot of every culture in the world because it is what it is.

There are enough jobs that they do not have citizens willing to do them and the immigrants of today whose home countries are nothing to write about are picking up these jobs with all pleasure and raking in fantastic earnings.

Sickening...

Absolutely! Correct, i think it is because some of them grew up in a society where everything goes, where the societal behaviours are different so when they end up in America Europe or Canada the different society, societal behaviours, ways of lives, food, interactions, the vast different ethnic populations, the way people go about their own businesses and not noticing people around them, especially thesedays of social media everyone is on their mobile devices tapping their lives away. all that overwhelms a new comer who obviously wasn't prepared emotionally to handle it. It would be easy for some people to make friends in Naigeria but very difficult for them to make friends in Canada. Sometimes it isn't about money or how much your job pays, the emotional part of it is also very important

Osewa03:
I know how much I feel lonely here too, though I don't talk about it. What I do is I make sure I visit Nigeria every time for sanity. These lonely places can savage sanity. Life is actually More than 24hrs light, which you pay for heavily, anyways.

OP, one advise I can give is don't leave Canada for now. Try as much as you can to be visiting Nigeria anytime you can. Don't tell people in Nigeria about your intention to be coming home. They'll erase that thought into oblivion because they're clueless about what you're going through. Only you know what you're going through

So what would be the point of relocating if you are not happy or lonely where you are? If you cannot intergrate or atleast make an effort to make new friends there (forget your Naigerian friends) make new friends, find a girl or a boy friend have kids, go to your work colleagues birthdays, go to Pubs, attend bebeques night clubs. Join a Gym, don't just keep to yourself, you cannot just sit in your room and expect people to come find and make friends with you. join a dance class or salsa do something! Anything! Not just work, work, work and work and complain of loneliness..


If you are going to keep running back and fort to Naigeria for emotional comfort then you might aswell relocate back there for your own sanity because as it appears you need Naigeria more.. good luck

Aareona:
Earlier this year, I went back in time to few years back when I was doing so well in Nigeria. The noises from friends and all nurtured the decision to move abroad inside of me. I became so restless till I finally leave. The first day in Canada was the day I knew this place isn't where I can be forever. Most of us would have come back before the time we had in mind except for the fact that I don't still have enough. If I want to travel to naija for vacation now, I will need up to $4k. If I take that away from my savings, I don't know how I can recover.

No one tells about the downside of this place. I feel lonely, depressed and empty most times. Because no one to talk to, just everyone in my workplace goin about their business. If I make attempt to talk to them, they just waive it with a smile. It's been 3years here and the people I still talk to on video call are friends from Nigeria. It's been 3years and my savings is still Short of $20k despite how much my friends in Nigeria do tell me how easy it is for me to make money abroad but I never tell them my situation. I can't wait to make enough and leave Canada for good. I know a lot will come at me with the usuall "come back to Nigeria na", please this is not an attempt to denigrate your abroad heaven, just for me to rant out and be fine

What kind of job do you do, do you have your MA? If you are eager to make friends, go to an African church near you. Also being able to save about $20k in about 3years is quite commendable- when you do the conversion, that’s about 10million Naira. How many average people for Nigeria get 10million for their account? So my friend, please appreciate how much you have been able to accomplish in just 3years.

MufasaLion:
Yes, it might be lonely but however, you seem not to know what you want.

If you're in Nigeria, there are only few businesses you can do that will generate steady and good revenue for you but what about the quality of life and other basic things?

And as you're in Canada, there are things you definitely will benefit that those living in Banana Island can never benefit with their billions.

Everything in life has sacrifice and focus. Know what you want! This loneliness bla bla bla is stale. It's no more news. Stop the comparison and focus on positive things.

It's very obvious that you haven't lived in Canada before. I'm a Nigerian/Canadian and the girl is stating facts. I'm also a medical doctor, so I know how the health system is in Canada. It's terrible to say the least. I remember when my son was having severe acute asthma attack and we rushed him to the A&E in Calgary, Alberta. we waited for several hours before we could see a doctor. That can never happen in Nigeria as terrible as the country is. I later moved my talents to America but I can tell you there's still no place like Nigeria in the world. I just hope Nigeria can at least get a bit better than the current situation that the country finds itself in at the moment.

topemama1:

It's very obvious that you haven't lived in Canada before. I'm a Nigerian/Canadian and the girl is stating facts. I'm also a medical doctor, so I know how the health system is in Canada. It's terrible to say the least. I remember when my son was having severe acute asthma attack and we rushed him to the A&E in Calgary, Alberta. we waited for several hours before we could see a doctor. That can never happen in Nigeria as terrible as the country is. I later moved my talents to America but I can tell you there's still no place like Nigeria in the world. I just hope Nigeria can at least get a bit better than the current situation that the country finds itself in at the moment.

You're capping. It happens in Nigeria!

Patroit1989:
The problem with Nigerians feeling lonely abroad comes from the fact that we refuse to integrate into the western culture…. Many of us are use to seeing entertaining things from the prism of going out to malls, going to bear joints, eateries to eat and snap pictures with boyfriends. Abroad there are many entertaining things like reading club, cycling clubs, hiking, going to gym. Swimming… learning new languages. Going on road trips. Vacationing. Many spots and social events. How many Nigerian wants to visit museum to entertain him or herself. Some Nigerians abroad are also feel very inferior. They find it hard to break into the social circle of white folks or black folks born over there. I was born and raised in Nigeria but I can tell you that at work I am the groove man. If I am going on annual leave some of my colleagues won’t stop texting asking when I will be back at work. They will even have a house party at mine on the 16th of December. Most Nigerians abroad do not know how to propose leisure activities to their western counterpart.

At work in Nigeria or where?

Agbegbaorogboye:

Now you're making excuses for the governor's death because it occurred after he flew abroad. I'm sure if he died in Nigeria you'll brandish that as further evidence of Nigeria's broken health system.
Good you admit Buhari's son was stabilized in Nigeria before flown out. According to your earlier claim, he's supposed to die on getting to a Nigerian hospital.
That Buhari refused to use Nigerian hospital is his personal nuance. We've had past presidents who patronize local hospitals.

Again, you're making excuses for foreign health system in their failure to detect covid! But you blamed Nigerian doctors for not detecting covid in Akeredolu.
You see your bias now?
No one has said the Nigerian healthcare system is top notch. What I'm pointing out is the elites are complicit with their penchance for foreign hospitals

Lick my ass.

Golan007:


I'm telling you facts.

If you are ill and you call your surgery, you would not be seen for easily 5 weeks.

If you call the hot line, only based on meeting the threshold on their checklist would they consider referring you to a doctor.

Talking from experience.

Every town has a walk in centre, look for one and attend. U can also visit the A&E so long u ready for long wait which could be more than 8 hours.
U can also visit your local pharmacy for advice on simple ailments.
There's no where u have to wait for 5 months to see a doctor if u understand the system.

I feel for the OP. Some Extroverted people can not deal with Loneliness. It can kill them. Introverts know how to work around it. Don't know if OP is an Extrovert. As for me, am an Introverted-Extrovert. If u know what that means

I think it's shame to come back home that makes people stay abroad for years feeling lonely and unhappy.

Just take the bold step and return.

Forget what people will say. It's ur life and ur happiness counts.

Before you return, save money to start up a biz.

And God will bless ur journey. Above all, seek the face of God before you make any decision this time around and God will guide ur steps.

Let me go and have my bath.

Sorry, its that lonely. If you can, look for remote jobs (upwork, freelancer thing). They would bring more cash, most especially as your location is suited to many jobs. Dont worry about skills, you have light and I believe a lot of data, apply alone for courses, coursera, udemy and the rest... or let me give you the simplest, there is a Google AD Video Training online on Google Upskill, watch it and learn then go back to upwork and find free food. Thank me later... wait, make I drop my account (AZA)?

Agbegbaorogboye:

Now you're making excuses for the governor's death because it occurred after he flew abroad. I'm sure if he died in Nigeria you'll brandish that as further evidence of Nigeria's broken health system.
Good you admit Buhari's son was stabilized in Nigeria before flown out. According to your earlier claim, he's supposed to die on getting to a Nigerian hospital.
That Buhari refused to use Nigerian hospital is his personal nuance. We've had past presidents who patronize local hospitals.

Again, you're making excuses for foreign health system in their failure to detect covid! But you blamed Nigerian doctors for not detecting covid in Akeredolu.
You see your bias now?
No one has said the Nigerian healthcare system is top notch. What I'm pointing out is the elites are complicit with their penchance for foreign hospitals

Did aba kyari visit any German hospital b4 returning to Nigeria? Or I don't understand this your strawman argument.
The truth is Nigerian healthcare system both public and the elitist private are very weak when it comes to managing chronic illnesses or disease with multiple complications, unfortunately these are problems that comes with old age.
Why do u think there's a sudden demand for foreign doctors in developed countries? It's because people are living longer despite having debilitating illness for decades. Someone has to take care of them.
If u see a 90 yr person in Nigeria, know that they have been disease free all their lives.
Let's not give excuse for our hospitals and politicians, they really need to step up.
Most people who had kidney problem in Nigeria that I know eventually succumbed to the ailment- both rich and poor. Some of them were being managed in redington and st Nicholas. Its like they don't understand kidney problem goes beyond transplant.

Aareona:
Earlier this year, I went back in time to few years back when I was doing so well in Nigeria. The noises from friends and all nurtured the decision to move abroad inside of me. I became so restless till I finally leave. The first day in Canada was the day I knew this place isn't where I can be forever. Most of us would have come back before the time we had in mind except for the fact that I don't still have enough. If I want to travel to naija for vacation now, I will need up to $4k. If I take that away from my savings, I don't know how I can recover.

No one tells about the downside of this place. I feel lonely, depressed and empty most times. Because no one to talk to, just everyone in my workplace goin about their business. If I make attempt to talk to them, they just waive it with a smile. It's been 3years here and the people I still talk to on video call are friends from Nigeria. It's been 3years and my savings is still Short of $20k despite how much my friends in Nigeria do tell me how easy it is for me to make money abroad but I never tell them my situation. I can't wait to make enough and leave Canada for good. I know a lot will come at me with the usuall "come back to Nigeria na", please this is not an attempt to denigrate your abroad heaven, just for me to rant out and be fine

OP u not get sweet mouth to tost one fine girl way go de give u Joy? Just get urself one sharp girl and u will be fine from loneliness no be all those fake Toronto girls oo.. Chat me up me I help ur life. Canada is madly sweet bro. Follow who know road.

gypsey:
So what would be the point of relocating if you are not happy or lonely where you are? If you cannot intergrate or atleast make an effort to make new friends there (forget your Naigerian friends) make new friends, find a girl or a boy friend have kids, go to your work colleagues birthdays, go to Pubs, attend bebeques night clubs. Join a Gym, don't just keep to yourself, you cannot just sit in your room and expect people to come find and make friends with you. join a dance class or salsa do something! Anything! Not just work, work, work and work and complain of loneliness..


If you are going to keep running back and fort to Naigeria for emotional comfort then you might aswell relocate back there for your own sanity because as it appears you need Naigeria more.. good luck

The way I decided to live my life is none of your business. So, if I have the means and the time, I will visit countless time in a year. Thanks

MufasaLion:


Lick my ass.

Bleep off

topemama1:

It's very obvious that you haven't lived in Canada before. I'm a Nigerian/Canadian and the girl is stating facts. I'm also a medical doctor, so I know how the health system is in Canada. It's terrible to say the least. I remember when my son was having severe acute asthma attack and we rushed him to the A&E in Calgary, Alberta. we waited for several hours before we could see a doctor. That can never happen in Nigeria as terrible as the country is. I later moved my talents to America but I can tell you there's still no place like Nigeria in the world. I just hope Nigeria can at least get a bit better than the current situation that the country finds itself in at the moment.

If I take u up on assertion that your child had severe asthma and wasn't seen for hrs in A&E, you will falter.
Do u really know what severe asthma is? U mean the nurses did the child's observation, came out as severe asthma and left the poor kid in the waiting area like that? No oxygen or nebuliser administered immediately? A near death scenario with the child virtually fighting for every breath and likely having a very loud wheeze. Common man let's be real here, I thought u said u are a doctor. Whites are not that wicked even if u are black.
Most cases are admitted directly into the ward.
I want to believe u are exaggerating or outright lying.
And yes u are right, no Nigerian hospital will keep a child with severe asthma waiting. And I don't expect hospitals in Canada to be different.

SIRTee15:

Did aba kyari visit any German hospital b4 returning to Nigeria? Or I don't understand this your strawman argument.
The truth is Nigerian healthcare system both public and the elitist private are very weak when it comes to managing chronic illnesses or disease with multiple complications, unfortunately these are problems that comes with old age.
Why do u think there's a sudden demand for foreign doctors in developed countries? It's because people are living longer despite having debilitating illness for decades. Someone has to take care of them.
If u see a 90 yr person in Nigeria, know that they have been disease free all their lives.
Let's not give excuse for our hospitals and politicians, they really need to step up.
Most people who had kidney problem in Nigeria that I know eventually succumbed to the ailment- both rich and poor. Some of them were being managed in redington and st Nicholas. Its like they don't understand kidney problem goes beyond transplant.

No one debates the fact that Nigerian healthcare system is weak. But my point is there are private clinics that measure up to the standard abroad.
The problem is our elites' developed taste for all things foreign and are not ready to change it anytime soon.
As for Abba Kyari's the point I was making is that he was already carrying the illness from Germany and no one knew about it until he got to Nigeria.
The same Western nations first claimed face masks can't help in preventing covid before they later changed course. The vaccination programs and its inconsistencies is another matter entirely.
You seem to make the argument that our elites patronize foreign hospitals because they are very adept at treating multiple illnesses that come with old age. Well, Buhari's spokesman told Nigerians that Buhari has been patronizing his UK doctors for over thirty years. I'm sure Buhari was not above sixty thirty years ago. This further butress my point that the preference for foreign hospitals is a question of taste which has further weakened our health system of the needed resources to develop.
It's actually same malaise our education system suffers.

How can you not make more than 20k$ in 3 years. I've never travel out though but going from what people have been posting here about monthly net income and cost of living for a single person. I think one should be able to save more than that in 3 years except you are living above your income

I would hv said you're stxxxx But I will not.

You leave nigeria to Canada. Na loneliness b your problem Smh

CountVersailles:

There are many like you. The problem with them and you is that you don't have the will to upskill in a very competitive society. You are doing survival job and getting too comfortable with it. Why wouldn't you feel like this? Take out your time to upskill and earn yourself a good skill that will reward you better financially. Money is easy to make in Canada because they don't discriminate in giving jobs to people.

Most of you will be yacking anyhow.

Have you been to Canada before

You think it's easy over there

My sister lives in Canada with her husband and children. I know how she managed over there.

Was a manager here in a big company before relocation.
Presently she is working in a big multinational there

Canada is not easy.
You cannot see the kind of easy money you see here in Nigeria

To pay for your children university education no easy.
To be honest money no dey Canada like that

Na US money even dey pass. But Canada is easier to get resident permit and citizenship
Than the US.

My sister Canadian passport will be out this December and that was the major reason they migrated

Once they have there citizenship they can do the needful