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Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by phemmyfour: 9:52am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedienceundecided
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead? undecided
Tithe isn't mandatory. Jesus didn't condemn tithe, let those who doesn't pay discourage those who pay cos whether you pay or not, the Heart that gives is more important than the ACT of giving
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Honchoslim16(m): 9:52am On Nov 27, 2022
The Pastors are feasting on the tithes
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by EmmaLege: 9:55am On Nov 27, 2022
Interesting topic kiss
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by genkins(m): 9:56am On Nov 27, 2022
DF was right. Your rolce Royce trotting revered pastor know nothing
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by treatise: 9:56am On Nov 27, 2022
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This is crisp and lucid ; God is very close to humanity but some elements have tainted the freedom we have with Him with their idiosyncrasies.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Handsum64: 9:56am On Nov 27, 2022
Daddy Freeze is light years ahead of the scammers
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Nobody: 9:59am On Nov 27, 2022
Morality is the way we think the world works,

Economics defines the way the world actually works.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTfKpAWkgJY
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Piptocoin: 10:00am On Nov 27, 2022
CoronaVirusRelo:
Jesus died for everything!


He does not need your money!


You can support God ministry with money, but it’s silting saying you giving God money while a mere man is spending it


True that God does not need anyone's money. You cannot make Him rich or richer even if you gave all you had to Him.

All the earth belongs to God. He is the Great Landlord. The money you make belongs to Him. The water, the sky, the sun, the stars, the moon, the gold, the silver, the natural resources, your very souls, everything you use to survive...all belong to Him. God is in His right when He demands a certain percentage of what you earn. It is not left to your charity. It is commanded.

Why would God say that you rob Him in tithes and offerings? You can only rob a person of something he or she is legally or duly entitled. The money you make belongs to Him, not you. He demands, not begs, a little part of it for His church. He wants His church to grow, to reach out to people with the gospel, to feed His servants who He has separated for the duty of preaching His Word, and to feed the poor, the helpless, the widows...young and old. If you think it is up to your decision to give or not then you are sorely mistaken. You have robbed God if you don't...and God is not someone you want to rob.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Basicend: 10:04am On Nov 27, 2022
How much is 10 percent for God sake. . If you truly and genuinely don't have any other hope but God.

Truth is a lot of christians are one leg in and another leg out. . I can't even imagine debating this thing.

That is why we are so powerless in Christianity.

An average Islamic guy will say Allahu Akbar and blow up everywhere and himself. . Coz they are ready to die to their God. .

Do you think you can ever win the soul of such a person to Jesus, when u even have a issue committing just a little of ur sweat to him?
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by ChinemeremFidel: 10:05am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie please can you balance things here..

The way you twist the bible to suit your stint is what amazes me.
You are a good bible scholar but you are imbalanced.

Jesus actually paid the tax that was demanded from peter. Tax is the authority, a compulsory one for the growth and development of the country,,Jesus would never ask you evade tax,,its a sin,,it has nothing to do with tithing.

Tithing is not tax please..

I don't pay my tithe in the church though,I can pay to those in dire needs and the less privileged ones...

Then the church is not a building,, it is the gathering of true hearted Christians who are in one accord and God is in their midst like he said in his word "where two or three are gathered in my name,I am there"..

For the church to grow,more souls to be won and gospel taken to every corner of the earth,,funds is needed which is voluntary, no one is taxed..
You can give 10% or more... The reward for contributing for the growth of the gospel should be expected from God who rewards most times in a financial way.... There was a time I have my first salary to my pastor,he was shocked,he knelt me down and prayed,,the next week I got promoted at work ahead of those who were there before me..That was the least amount I ever collected as salary (so you see)

This does not means you will be richer than those who don't pay tithe...

The summary of all these whole matters is;Let those who doesn't pay tithes not discourage those who does, the heart of the giver matters than the amount given..
IF U SAY YOU NO WAN PAY TITHE,NA U SABI BUT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE TO PROPAGATE THE GOSPEL OF GOD AND MISSIONARY WORKS THEN ITS YOUR DECISION


Please don't twist the bible
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Basicend: 10:06am On Nov 27, 2022
Handsum64:
Daddy Freeze is light years ahead of the scammers

God and check the lifestyle of your god, daddy Freeze right now and compare it to the demands of discipleship of Jesus.

He can only attract souls of those like him.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Grandmeister(m): 10:07am On Nov 27, 2022
harmargedon:
please show us where
Matthew 17: 24-27

And also Matthew 23:23

Matthew 23:23 “What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are careful to tithe even the tiniest income from your herb gardens, but you ignore the more important aspects of the law—justice, mercy, and faith. You should tithe, yes, but do not neglect the more important things.

Now you can use whatever version of this passage and tell me your own conclusions.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by adisacool: 10:10am On Nov 27, 2022
Jesus says, “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices–mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law-justice, mercy and faithfulness.

Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Grandmeister(m): 10:11am On Nov 27, 2022
phemmyfour:
Tithe isn't mandatory. Jesus didn't condemn tithe, let those who doesn't pay discourage those who pay cos whether you pay or not, the Heart that gives is more important than the ACT of giving
This is just the summary of it all. In the one passage Christ talked about tithe he didn't condemn it. He said that there are more important things/ characters to show as a righteousness man. He basically said you can tithe but remember that there are things way more important than tithe.

This shouldn't even be something to argue. Christ himself laid it down.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by phemmyfour: 10:15am On Nov 27, 2022
Grandmeister:

This is just the summary of it all. In the one passage Christ talked about tithe he didn't condemn it. He said that there are more important things/ characters to show as a righteousness man. He basically said you can tithe but remember that there are things way more important than tithe.

This shouldn't even be something to argue. Christ himself laid it down.
Well said
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by owagbeba: 10:20am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie:
What ministry did Jesus Christ specifically ask any of you to support with your money though? undecided

Jesus Christ never asked any such of any of His followers to fund any of what you call ministries, yet you all believe that by giving free money to your pastors and mogs who are businessmen, the same men who fed you lies that God said this, and whose kingdoms on this earth you fund with your support money, you somehow do God's work. Isn't that foolishness? undecided

The part of that scripture that got my attention is “there may be meat in my house”. Available food, I guess. But these greedy “Speak in tongues” pastors aren’t keeping food in the storehouse for the needy. They buy G-wagon with the money. They don’t run soup kitchens or free medical stuff for the poor... nothing!
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Nobody: 10:20am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie:
What ministry did Jesus Christ specifically ask any of you to support with your money though? undecided

Jesus Christ never asked any such of any of His followers to fund any of what you call ministries, yet you all believe that by giving free money to your pastors and mogs who are businessmen, the same men who fed you lies that God said this, and whose kingdoms on this earth you fund with your support money, you somehow do God's work. Isn't that foolishness? undecided

Jesus never asked for money, yes but He also needed to pay tax,but no more to pay it and hence He commanded(money in the mouth of the fish). Now concerning tithes,

1.. (the priests or pastors don't work) , your tithes are used to repair and make the church a comfortable place to stay and worship

2.. the church also gives alms to the less privileged people and kids, since the church doesn't work, it's your money that they use(now, you are spiritually or indirectly partaking in the blessings)

3.. the priest or pastors needs to eat too and live comfortably so that they don't have to leave the part or vineyards of God in search of food and thereby not be able to work for you in the ways of God(don't know you understand)

4... tithes and offerings are not by force,u can choose to give or not.

I came back from somewhere and went straight to my shop, was very hungry and thirsty, I bought food worth 600 naira with 2 meats,sat in front of my shop,didn't want to enter inside, I took one or three spoons, then one guy(mentally unstable) won't say a mad person, came to me and said... bro, u fit give me ur food make I chop.. I look am,look my food, plus hunger,I asked him to go and meet the woman(foodseller) but he said she won't answer him(obviously cause of his condition) I had to give him all the food and went to buy another one unfortunately, food don finish, e con vex me but no Choice again.... now this story I told you (ofcourse real) is similar, you can give and not give, it's ur choice and ur money.. giving doesn't necessarily means you will recieve it back in 1million folds...

6.. we give tithes so that those that are called or have decided to follow God will not go hungry, they can be able to pray and assist people too... if they are buying private jets and all, it's not ur biz cus if you give or not, there are people who will give... God doesn't need ur money or anything, all HE wants is for you to follow HIS commands and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR JUST AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF...

If there's any way I might have wronged you with my comments and quote, I am sorry and I didn't mean to..

If the pastors dey work, they will have family plus work to think about, they wont or be able to do God's work or pray for you...

Na why CATHOLIC church no want make their priests dey work or marry... if him(priest) wife provoke am,e fit curse you for Sunday morning or might not be able to answer it midnight calls for prayers or talk to you on phone,as a family man with women wahala grin

These are my own contributions
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by sonmvayina(m): 10:20am On Nov 27, 2022
Vadese1:
Speaking from experience, I don't believed in the principle of Tithing any more. Giving is my hubby, so I will always give if I have, but not tithing as a must. Some of the most richest people today on Earth are the Arabs. They are not Tithing.

But you are paying your tax?
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by sonmvayina(m): 10:29am On Nov 27, 2022
The Israelites operated a theocratic monarchy. God was their king. Tithe was a form of tax that is 10% of their harvest.
When the Israelites arrived at the promised land, the Levites did not get a landed inheritance. They where the babalawos of God. They saw to the spiritual needs of the citizens and country. They where mandated by God to collect the tithe....no other person has the right to collect it.

It was used to take care of the Levites and the less privileged in the society.

Nigeria is a democracy, we pay tax to the government and the FIRS has been empowered by law to collect tax on behalf of government. Anybody paying tithe to anybody else, is robbing the state and any pastor collecting it is a thief....and should be prosecuted accordingly.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by slimik: 10:29am On Nov 27, 2022
Africans are slaves, Until the day we emacipate from mental slavery things will start working for us.

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Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by kmaster007: 10:34am On Nov 27, 2022
Wch verse chapter e dey for Bible
Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedienceundecided
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead? undecided
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by BRATISLAVA: 10:41am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedienceundecided
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead? undecided

Lol.

Talking about heavenly kingdom and the earthly kingdom there.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Krismas(m): 10:41am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedienceundecided
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead? undecided
grin U lack guidance.
Tithe is NEVER seen as TAX in the Bible, let alone as TEMPLE TAX. Only an ignorant self assuming person can proudly lump both together and then proceed to rope Jesus Christ into the sham to get 11 cheap likes

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Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by OkCornel(m): 10:42am On Nov 27, 2022
Jovialjune1:
Freezer is WRONG

It is specifically stated in the new testament that giving tithe is not a sin, instead Jesus condemned those that prefer to tithe when their heart is not pure and there are other weightier issues, HE specifically said "you cannot focus on one aspect and neglect the other"

Matthew 23:23 (KJV) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luke 18:12 (KJV) I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Hebrews 7:5-9 (KJV) And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:


Jesus specifically said that HE did not come to abolish the LAW nor condemn it, but to fulfill it.

Can you show me examples of Gentile believers that tithed (especially with money) after the church council held in Acts 15.

I’m patiently waiting for examples. Thanks.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Fearyourcreator: 10:49am On Nov 27, 2022
CoronaVirusRelo:
Jesus died for everything!


He does not need your money!


You can support God ministry with money, but it’s silting saying you giving God money while a mere man is spending it

If to say those pastors are very poor... You will be happy bah... If you are not paying tithe why e dey pain you...
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Krismas(m): 10:52am On Nov 27, 2022
sonmvayina:
The Israelites operated a theocratic monarchy. God was their king. Tithe was a form of tax that is 10% of their harvest.
When the Israelites arrived at the promised land, the Levites did not get a landed inheritance. They where the babalawos of God. They saw to the spiritual needs of the citizens and country. They where mandated by God to collect the tithe....no other person has the right to collect it.

It was used to take care of the Levites and the less privileged in the society.

Nigeria is a democracy, we pay tax to the government and the FIRS has been empowered by law to collect tax on behalf of government. Anybody paying tithe to anybody else, is robbing the state and any pastor collecting it is a thief....and should be prosecuted accordingly.
grin Half baked understanding of the Bible.
Israel was 430yrs under the Egyptians. 70yrs under the medo-Persians, 500yrs under the Helens. Hundreds of yrs under the Romans, the Turks, Assyrians, Ethiopians and the Philistines. Wen were they ever free? They mostly had others ruling over them. They paid taxes and tithe. Both is different

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Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Sunnyski: 10:56am On Nov 27, 2022
There is no portion of the Bible in the New Testament that asks Christians to pay tithes.

Tithing was only done in the Old Testament and it was only meant for the priests (Levites) because they live and work in the temple as ordered by God.

There are many types of tithes in the Old Testament but those that are claiming to pay tithes are paying only one type lol.

Tithe is farm produce and not money as speculated by the men of belles.
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by Nobody: 11:00am On Nov 27, 2022
OkCornel:


Can you show me examples of Gentile believers that tithed (especially with money) after the church council held in Acts 15.

I’m patiently waiting for examples. Thanks.


During the time of old, possessions were seen as more valuable than money, trade by barter was very common then, we are in the 21st century, money is what we use and most valuable, but that doesn't mean possessions can't be collected as tithe, there are cases of people donating gifts to the church

So where did the Bible specifically say we cannot pay tithe with money? Pls show us if there is, because God gave us free will to discern right from wrong, good from evil, and if christians are to go by teachings and standard of the Bible and your thinking, nowhere does it say we should drive cars, nowhere does it say we should brush our teeth, nowhere does it say men should Barb their hair, nowhere does it say we should do family planning etc.

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Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by solreb: 11:01am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedienceundecided
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead? undecided
I believe you got the point wrong. Taxes and tithes are two different things and Jesus was talking about taxes here and not tithes.

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Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by sonmvayina(m): 11:01am On Nov 27, 2022
Krismas:
grin Half baked understanding of the Bible.
Israel was 430yrs under the Egyptians. 70yrs under the medo-Persians, 500yrs under the Helens. Hundreds of yrs under the Romans, the Turks, Assyrians, Ethiopians and the Philistines. Wen were they ever free? They mostly had others ruling over them. They paid taxes and tithe. Both is different

Lol..this is laughable...

Because you keep bringing the Christian scriptures into Jewish community or scriptures as if they are related...

I don't really know where to address this your misleading comment..
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by CodeTemplar: 11:02am On Nov 27, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedienceundecided
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead? undecided
You never disappoint with daft and demonic ideas.

Maybe it is Alfas and Buddhist that will pay church tithe then. Animal
Re: Tithe In The New Testament: Who's Wrong Between Daddy Freeze & Nigerian Pastors? by CodeTemplar: 11:07am On Nov 27, 2022
solreb:

I believe you got the point wrong. Taxes and tithes are two different things and Jesus was talking about taxes here and not tithes.
Thank you for educating that animal with Nairaland account.
He cannot differentiate that imposed by human law system that's inspired by law from the prophets(temple tax) from that done out of fear of the Lord(tithe).

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