unstoppable51:


Source: https://stm.com.ng/tithe-and-giving-in-the-new-testament/

First of all, tithing is not by force, it is by choice. There is a blessing tied to every for of giving, the blessing of giving is not exclusively for tithing.

In the new testament, as long as you confess the lordship of Jesus, every thing a Christian has now belongs to Christ, that is what the scriptures means when it says we belong to Christ we are no longer our own. Now the advice on how to give is expressivly revealed in 2 Corinthians 9:6-7, we are to give as our heart prompts us and not under compulsion. We should also remember that giving is like planting a crop, the more land we cultivate the more the returns. so the more we give, the more the opportunity to receive.

Another problem we have is that we see the church as a one dimension institution, when in reality it is two dimensions. The church is first a spiritual house, then is is an organisation. Every organisation need employees to run it's affairs, they need a steady cashflow, they require funds to plan activities, projects and programs. If we left everyone to decide how they gave in church the church as an organisation will suffer. So we church leaders deemed it fit to borrow a template from the old testament that worked called tithing. If every Christian gave a certain percentage of their income regularly it will be easy to plan how funds are utilised. Make no mistake about it, pushing the gospel of Christ is expensive.

Personally speaking, I think 10% is small.

Read the Bible and follow the instructions. Don't depend on people's opinion, nobody has monopoly of God.

Karlovich:
BMC zombies and Tinubu urchins need deliverance from many Nigerian pastors

idiotic pigs are not Christians, they're only worshipping nnamdi kanu,
obi.diot who is their presidential candidate worship olumba olumba,
What a shame

If you must give! Give willingly and not under compulsion. Remember the widow that gave her last cash? 100%. It's a form of raising fund for self acclaimed men of God today.

Wealthy churches blame government for not empowering the youths while they build schools with tithe payers money where her members can't afford.

WHO IS DECEIVING WHO?

What baffles me about tithers is that they can surrender a huge amount to criminal pastors yearly, but if you dare ask for 1k, they turn to dragons.

geezyk:
Una no go like show me the Twelve tribes of Isreal inside Nigeria, pastors go dey claim Levi like say dem be israelis.

You are so much on point. Nigerian pastors are Yahoo Yahoo. They always say u don't understand the bible well wen u counter them,as if no b the same English we follow learn for school.

solreb:

I want to agree with the person you quoted. None of four points you raised above apply. Tithe is simply a tenth of your income. Now you have the freewill to decide or not whether tithe applies to you. Now, the bottom line is that only God can decide who truly has obeyed him, however he has given us the Holy Spirit who will convict a true believer that errs so that he or she can make amends.

My brother, God’s requirement of tithe in the scriptures is one-tenth of specific crops and livestock raised in the land of Israel only.

He never demanded gentile believers to do this.

The Israelites could not even tithe in exile.

Nonetheless, freewill giving is encouraged in the scriptures whether you’re an Israelite or a gentile. And that should be the standard for the church.

I am not against giving to the church or to those in need.

What I am against is false teachings. Preachers standing on the pulpit to tell lies and corrupted truths to manipulate and extort money from people. Telling lies that someone is cursed if they don’t tithe.

Monetary tithing is a fraudulent doctrine from the pit of hell.

God gave me the money not freeze or Nigerian pastors.

None of them actually have a right to tell me how to spend it.

I spend it as I will

But I checked Malachi and Hebrews in my Bible and found out God will have me pay tithe 10% of my earnings, although my Pastor preaches it but my conviction to obey and give tithe is far beyond what he preaches and I decided I will give God among other things my tithe. After obeying the tithing Covenant for years, even God knows I can never fail in that regard. I have no regrets.

Freeze is too infinitesimally inconsequential to tell me if tithe is legit or not.

I have far outgrown the level of been confused on this matter. I decided and that's it.

My money my rules my decision my tithe.
If e pain you, hug transformer and get out!

Tobechuckwu:


So with all the knowledge u think u have, u are comparing tax to tithe?

Gal 3 vs 29 says if you be Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed nd heirs according to the promise.

Jesus Christ is also Abraham's seed nd every believers are called Abraham's seed, so if Abraham paid tithe, then I am his seed nd I will keep paying my tithe.

Since Abraham slept with his housemaid to get a son, will you do the same thing? Despite the fact he was married.

Just evaluating your thought process.

Nigerian pastors are extortioners.
Freeze is only envious.

Tithe has nothing to do with those outside the temple worship because they're supposed to pay to their Israelites brothers the Levites:

True, according to the Law, those of the sons of Leʹvi who receive their priestly office have a commandment to collect tithes from the people, that is, from their brothers, even though these are descendants of Abraham. Hebrews 7:5

Jesus destroyed that physical temple at his death and a spiritual temple replaced it at his resurrection {John 2:19} worshipers now do so in spirit and truth {John 4:24} in the New temple nobody is paid for service under our new high priest Christ Jesus {Matthew 10:8} unlike the old temple arrangement where Levites are paid for their services {Nehemiah 13:10} that's why Jesus never stepped his foot in the old temple anymore because the new temple now is the gathering of his disciples that's the only temple that calls for Jesus' attendance! Matthew 18:20

So whoever is paying tithes today isn't doing so under the New Covenant arrangement since the New Covenant was never established with payment for services rendered in our New Temple:

In fact, when we were with you, we used to give you this order: “If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat.” 2 Thessalonians 3:10

Therefore if anyone claims he is a pastor he's zealous for a fine work but he's not entitled to any payment for services rendered because Jesus gave freely and we must give freely!

Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedience
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead?

Kindly explain why Jesus Himself paid, if He is actually against it , as you interpreted. Matthew 17: 27

Necessity1:

Kindly explain why Jesus Himself paid, if He is actually against it , as you interpreted. Matthew 17: 27

That is not the TITHE but temple head tax imposed on Jews and others by the Roman government because they believe the Jews were making a hell of money from people flocking in the temple:

After they arrived in Ca·perʹna·um, the men collecting the two drachmas tax approached Peter and said: “Does your teacher not pay the two drachmas tax?” He said: “Yes.” However, when he entered the house, Jesus spoke to him first and said: “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth receive duties or head tax? From their sons or from the strangers?” When he said: “From the strangers,” Jesus said to him: “Really, then, the sons are tax-free. But that we do not cause them to stumble, go to the sea, cast a fishhook, and take the first fish that comes up, and when you open its mouth, you will find a silver coin. Take that and give it to them for me and you" Matthew 17:24-27

Those coming to ask Jesus knew that he wasn't doing any job that requires payment of tax but they wanted him to speak against the Roman authority.

So TITHE differs from TAX!

Chemcrown:
I will be glad if I know the religion you belong to of which I assume it is JW.

The Words of Jesus Christ basically explaining to you that you damn yourselves by paying of Tithes mean Jesus Christ was a JW?

Olatara:
1.They actually asked for donations. I am not a Bible student, but I remembered Ananias and sapphire.

2. Remember Judas Iscariot was their treasurer during Jesus' time. Where did they get all the money, if not from donations.

3. I am not against tithing, if you have get, if you don't have enough, use your money for yourself. God is not wicked

Asked for donations or got donations from those who wanted to give it to them? You literally read where Peter and the others asked people to donate to them? Or did those who donated to them, in following the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, sell everything they had and give it all away to the poor as instructed by Jesus Christ?

2. So the group had money in their purses automatically means they collected tithes in the name of Jesus Christ or that Jesus Christ went around asking/begging people for money? Are you this gullible?

3. I am against tithing because Jesus Christ said those who are His followers - Sons of God aka Children of the King- are not to engage in such acts.

Grandmeister:

Even jesus paid tithe to the synagogue so chill with this your half-truth.

Are you referring to His paying of the temple tax in Matthew 17 vs 24 - 27?

Piptocoin:
1. Was Jesus encouraging people to be insubordinate to the authorities?

2. Don't forget, taxes and tithes are two different things. It is like saying apples and pineapples have similar appearance.

1. What authorities would that be?

2. In God's Old Covenant Law - the National Constitution of the State of Israel - which God designed specifically for the state of Israel, Tithing is part and parcel of the Tax system in the Land. So also are the offerings, vows, sin offerings, etc. They are all of them a part of the Tax system God designed for the people to follow.

You need to open your mind to read and understand God's Law for what it is in this.

damoobaba:


I don't understand
1. Is it only Tithe that Pastors preach in their Church?
2. Nobody forces anybody to pay money, wether Tithe or offerings in any church. If you go to any Church and they're forcing you to pay money, you can as well STOP ATTENDING THAT CHURCH. I can count the number of times I've attended Sunday service this year, it's definitely not up to 6 times and the churches are still running. You're the ones putting pressure on your life.
3. You pay or don't pay Tithe, Churches will operate.

Indeed,businesses continue to operate whether I patronize them or not. But the point here is to make clear that these businesses have absolutely nothing to do with the Truth of God, Jesus Christ, to the many gullible who trove daily to them believing they are somehow justified by God in their foolishness.

phemmyfour:
Tithe isn't mandatory. Jesus didn't condemn tithe, let those who doesn't pay discourage those who pay cos whether you pay or not, the Heart that gives is more important than the ACT of giving

Again, Jesus Christ clearly drew a distinction there using the taxes/tithes between those who are people of God aka the Jews .I.e. those who have the blood of Jacob in their veins and those who are the Children of God aka Sons of God. If that teaching there went right over your head, I am afraid there isn't much I can help you with understanding. N

owagbeba:
The part of that scripture that got my attention is “there may be meat in my house”. Available food, I guess. But these greedy “Speak in tongues” pastors aren’t keeping food in the storehouse for the needy. They buy G-wagon with the money. They don’t run soup kitchens or free medical stuff for the poor... nothing!

Jesus Christ clearly warned that these these come to steal from the sheep, to kill the fat of his flock and to destroy His flock using His name. And this exactly what they do to date.

Nwatachoba1:
A. Jesus never asked for money, yes but He also needed to pay tax,but no more to pay it and hence He commanded(money in the mouth of the fish). Now concerning tithes,

1.. (the priests or pastors don't work) , your tithes are used to repair and make the church a comfortable place to stay and worship

2.. the church also gives alms to the less privileged people and kids, since the church doesn't work, it's your money that they use(now, you are spiritually or indirectly partaking in the blessings)

3.. the priest or pastors needs to eat too and live comfortably so that they don't have to leave the part or vineyards of God in search of food and thereby not be able to work for you in the ways of God(don't know you understand)

4... tithes and offerings are not by force,u can choose to give or not.

I came back from somewhere and went straight to my shop, was very hungry and thirsty, I bought food worth 600 naira with 2 meats,sat in front of my shop,didn't want to enter inside, I took one or three spoons, then one guy(mentally unstable) won't say a mad person, came to me and said... bro, u fit give me ur food make I chop.. I look am,look my food, plus hunger,I asked him to go and meet the woman(foodseller) but he said she won't answer him(obviously cause of his condition) I had to give him all the food and went to buy another one unfortunately, food don finish, e con vex me but no Choice again.... now this story I told you (ofcourse real) is similar, you can give and not give, it's ur choice and ur money.. giving doesn't necessarily means you will recieve it back in 1million folds...

6.. we give tithes so that those that are called or have decided to follow God will not go hungry, they can be able to pray and assist people too... if they are buying private jets and all, it's not ur biz cus if you give or not, there are people who will give... God doesn't need ur money or anything, all HE wants is for you to follow HIS commands and LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR JUST AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF...

If there's any way I might have wronged you with my comments and quote, I am sorry and I didn't mean to..

2. If the pastors dey work, they will have family plus work to think about, they wont or be able to do God's work or pray for you...

Na why CATHOLIC church no want make their priests dey work or marry... if him(priest) wife provoke am,e fit curse you for Sunday morning or might not be able to answer it midnight calls for prayers or talk to you on phone,as a family man with women wahala

These are my own contributions

A. But Jesus Christ never asked anyone to build your churches using His name. So of what concern of His is all your bill paying, your church alms giving, your paying of employee salaries, etc?

B. Again, Jesus Christ never asked anyone to site or build these businesses, hire employees, etc. using His name so why do you think it makes sense to then use His name to collect donations for these businesses?

kmaster007:
Wch verse chapter e dey for Bible

You no get eyes?

Kobojunkie:
Those of you who pay tithes/taxes in the name of Jesus Christ deny yourselves sonship with God by your acts of disobedience
As Jesus Christ made clear, the Children of God do not pay taxes/Tithe in His name. So, do we ignore Jesus Christ so we can instead follow the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) instead?

Read Matthew 17:24-27. Jesus paid the Temple tax.

BRATISLAVA:
Lol.

Talking about heavenly kingdom and the earthly kingdom there.

Heavenly Kingdom?

Earthly Kingdom? You mean the kingdom of men aka businesses?

Krismas:
U lack guidance.
Tithe is NEVER seen as TAX in the Bible, let alone as TEMPLE TAX. Only an ignorant self assuming person can proudly lump both together and then proceed to rope Jesus Christ into the sham to get 11 cheap likes

You have never in fact engaged your own brain in reading through scripture before, have you?

The Old Covenant Law of Moses was given by God as the Constitution of the State of Israel which He constituted of the people of Israel, and your Tithe, offering, vows, Sacrifice laws are a part and parcel of the Tax system meant to cater to the Nation of Israel - not the church businesses run by your pastors and mogs.

solreb:

I believe you got the point wrong. Taxes and tithes are two different things and Jesus was talking about taxes here and not tithes.

Unfortunately, you are the one who has been lied to by your pastors and mogs.

The Old Law or Moses is in fact the National Constitution of the State of Israel which God gave to the people of Israel- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and the Tithes, vows, sacrifices and offerings et all are all part and parcel of the Tax system He created as part of that Law. The reason most of you don't know this even though it has been in scripture scripture thousands of years is because you refuse to approach God on your own, submitting your minds and lives to the schemes and manipulations of men instead.

CodeTemplar:
You never disappoint with daft and demonic ideas.

Maybe it is Alfas and Buddhist that will pay church tithe then. Animal

You are paying your hard earned money to scammers who dey thief from you and shame no even catch you as you dey boast about if. Tufia!

nocera:
You have always contradicted yourself. Nothing anyone writes is acceptable to you – deputy Jesus. You claim to know scriptures but have never believed or agree to any scripture from the mouth of another person. Who are you, really?

Here's a challenge. Point out one contradiction so far in any of what I have stated.

What I dispute are the lies you lot twist using scripture which you majorly pull out of context.

bomly:
Excellent explanation.

If you say no to Tithing, it's okay, just try both ways.

Loving God is about sacrifice which is the highest form of Love. If you cannot love God with common 10% of your money

You really should have a rethink.

How can God be about sacrifice when God's mandate from even the beginning of things, has always been Obedience?

God doesn't want your sacrifice. Your sacrifices mean absolutely nothing to God. He made it known to you severally wnen His prophets informed you that, "Obedience is better than Sacrifice". Why do you folks never listen?

Tobechuckwu:
So with all the knowledge u think u have, u are comparing tax to tithe?

Gal 3 vs 29 says if you be Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed nd heirs according to the promise.

Jesus Christ is also Abraham's seed nd every believers are called Abraham's seed, so if Abraham paid tithe, then I am his seed nd I will keep paying my tithe.

The Old Law or Moses is in fact the National Constitution of the State of Israel which God gave to the people of Israel- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and the Tithes, vows, sacrifices and offerings et all are all part and parcel of the Tax system He created as part of that Law.

The reason most of you don't know this even though it has been in scripture scripture thousands of years is because you refuse to approach God on your own, submitting your minds and lives to the schemes and manipulations of men instead.

unstoppable51:


The passage you quoted is about Taxes, not Tithes. And here is the next verse after the one you quoted:

Mat 17:27 KJV Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.

You can make your point without trying to twist scriptures to say what it didn't say. If we are to go buy by your logic, then Jesus later paid the tithe regardless of the motivation.

You see why you should never lift scriptures out of context to fit into your own beliefs?

Blessings!

The Old Law or Moses is in fact the National Constitution of the State of Israel which God gave to the people of Israel- Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20 - and the Tithes, vows, sacrifices and offerings et all are all part and parcel of the Tax system He created as part of that Law.

The reason most of you don't know this even though it has been in scripture scripture thousands of years is because you refuse to approach God on your own, submitting your minds and lives to the schemes and manipulations of men instead.

Necessity1:
Kindly explain why Jesus Himself paid, if He is actually against it , as you interpreted. Matthew 17: 27

Jesus Christ lived His life in submission and obedience to God's Old Covenant Law of Moses which He told you He came to fulfill - Matthew 5 vs 15 - 17. He came as a Son of Man and so lived under the Law as such.

You that is asking whether christ asked them to build church or pay electricity. I am sure that civilisation has not gotten to you. Irrespective of the religion you belong to, do you worship on the road, bush or in a building called house.
Do your leaders in your belief use electricity and other modern amenities or not.
You are a hypocrite that don't see any good in others religion.
Tithing not my problem but for you to have asked whether christ asked to build a place called church.
I am sure u are living in a house, why do you live in a house