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| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 5:50am On Dec 27, 2022 |
Poster before me is mining a straw man Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by MiddleDimension: 5:50am On Dec 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: You have done exceedingly well |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by LocalStandard1(m): 6:13am On Dec 27, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker:The last time I said I respect someone here he twisted the narrative to make it sound like I said an abominable. But Still, I respect you too for your consistency on God's issues. But let us not misquote the words of God to fit our new found believes or fear. You never gave me any proves where God rejected polygamy. Polygamy used to be a norm in the old days but the fact you have no prove, no verse to dispute and discredit the practice from the Bible says it is not an abomination in the eyes of God. God and Messangers talked about even the most little ills of people but polygamy as widespread as it is does have one verse condemning it? "Male and Female he created them" has nothing to do with polygamous marriage. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 6:32am On Dec 27, 2022 |
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| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 6:34am On Dec 27, 2022 |
LocalStandard1:When the operative keywords here, used are, mutual adult consent, then concerned parties can allow themselves to enjoy the pleasure of polygamy aka polygyny Now the interesting questions are: 1. How much is a piece of string, because king Solomon had 700 wives, so what number of wives does one stop? 2. If the table is turned on LocalStandard1, would he gladly consent and give in to sharing a single partner with another or others. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 6:35am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: You're the one pithing old testament against New testament! Jesus didn't forbid it in the new testament! God permitted it in the old! When and where did God change his laws? |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 6:38am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: AntiChristian: Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 6:42am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: Cut out my post and answer the part that suits you! I will continue to respond. Sometimes, people are indeed honest enough to admit that the Bible really does not prohibit polygamy (polygyny). However, as a hedge against that admission, such ones may then resort to saying one of the following assertions: "Yes, but God never condoned polygamy." "Yes, God allowed it, but He was against polygamy." "Polygamy was only man's idea, not God's". "Yes, but God never approved of polygamy." The passage involving 2 Samuel 12:8 rather clearly reveals otherwise. "And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things." 2 Samuel 12:8. The context of the verse is that of God, speaking through a prophet (Nathan), calling out David for David's sin of taking another man's wife (Bathsheba, wife of Uriah the Hittite), which is adultery indeed, and for setting up the death of Uriah the Hittite to try to hide David's sin. Also, at the point in time of this situation, David had already been married to at least seven known-named wives. (1 Samuel 18:27, 25:42-43, 2 Samuel 3:2-5.) But, in this verse 12 (above), God was not condemning David for all his wives! In fact, this verse 12 shows God Himself actually saying that HE was the One Who had GIVEN David His wives. If God was against David's polygamy, He certainly would not have said that He had GIVEN David his wives. But the LORD did not stop there. That verse 12 shows that the Lord took it even one step further than that! The LORD God even went on further to say that if David had wanted more wives, the Lord Himself said that He would have given David even more! It was only because David had sinned, in committing adultery by taking another man's wife, and then causing that man's death to try to hide David's sin, that the Lord was calling him out through the prophet Nathan. There was no sin in the polygamy at all. This is later confirmed that this was the only matter by 1 Kings 15:5, which says the following: "Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. " 1 Kings 15:5. Two verses before that, in 1 Kings 15:3, the Bible says that David's heart was perfect with the LORD God. Very clearly, therefore, what all this shows is that God is the One Who gives wives, even when more than one wife. This is, of course, confirmed by 1_Corinthians 7:17. "But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches." 1 Corinthians 7:17. Be it NO wife, ONE wife, or MORE THAN ONE wife, it is only has God calls and gives. As such, it is clear that the Bible does, in fact, explicitly show "Yes, God did condone polygamy." "Yes, God allowed it, and He was not against polygamy." "Polygamy is not a man's idea, but God's". "Yes, God did approve of polygamy." In 2 Samuel 12:8, He Himself said so! Biblical Polygamy http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/exegesis/god-said-he-gave-wives/ |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by MiddleDimension: 6:53am On Dec 27, 2022 |
Righteousness2: A WORD OF GOD YOU DO NOT KNOW. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by LocalStandard1(m): 6:54am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR:I see you are a woman. I will not talk about this or most issues pitching men and women in the same context, they are different. But I like that you're beginning to agree. Now understand, God did not repremand Solomon cos he married multiple wives but cos he married unbelievers and entertained their gods. Now the Old and New Testaments rejects and disallowed Christians from intermarriage with non believers, in many different books and by different Messangers of God. But you have no verse to disprove polygamy? Come on!! Redeem Church has a female "Pastor" who married a non Christian, both of which are rejected in the Bible but polygamy is your big issue. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by MiddleDimension: 6:55am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: Your poat has absolutely no relevance to the discussion 1 Like |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 6:59am On Dec 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian:1 Corinthians 6:12 Everything is permissible for me, but not all things are beneficial. Everything is permissible for me, but I will not be enslaved by anything [and brought under its power, allowing it to control me]. 1 Corinthians 10:23 Everything is permissible,” but not everything is beneficial. “Everything is permissible,” but not everything is edifying. There's an infinite list of things the Bible does not prohibit, and just because the bible doesnt prohibit certain things, doesnt translate to mean, its a licence to cavort about such things Everything is allowable, but not everything is profitable. Everything is allowable, but everything does not build others up. If the table is turned on you AntiChristian, would you gladly consent and give in to, sharing your single partner with another or others. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by MrPresident1: 6:59am On Dec 27, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Christ's answer is from the old Testament. Bring the quote let's examine it. How many Old Testament Patriarchs had only one wife? 1 Like |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by MiddleDimension: 7:14am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: @bolded There is no where there monoga was mentioned as an example! STOP NEING FRAUDULENT already! @second bolded This is just pure lie! Do you love the devil so much you prefer to be his son? the bible says all liars are of their fathers the devil! You see, as for genesis 2:24 It does not nullify polygamy. why doesn't it nullify polygamy? Well because the Christian marriage is and has always mirrored the relationship between god and the believer. This is why god told Hosea to go and get married; because through that marriage, he was going to teach the Hebrews certain things about how they will relate with him. Im that marriage, Hosea, the riteous man, is the image of god, who is all righteous. while his wife who is unfaithful, is the mirror of the imperfect believer who, though has been accepted by god just as Hosea has accepted his wife and married her, still falls from time to time. Songs of Solomon is a poem between a man and his wife where the man is the image of god and his wife is you, the born again. When you believed, god gave you his spirit and became one with you. That's why Paul told you: do you know that your body is the temple of the holy ghost, who lives in you and was given to you by god...'' 1 cor 6 vs 19. Just as god gave you his spirit, thereby becoming one with you, He also gives his spirit to other people who accept him as lord and he becomes one with them as well. Peter said: these people have received the holy ghost just as wr also did. Now, remember that in god/man relations as mirrored in Christian marriage, the man is also ways the mirror of god, while the woman always mirror the born again/ isreal/the church. the holy ghost is your husband and can also be the husband of yor fellow brother in the lord. So also, the man can be the husband of one woman and simultaneously the husband of another woman SINCE CHRISTIAN MARRIAGE IS THE MIRROR OF GOD/BELIEVER RELATIONS. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by MrPresident1: 7:24am On Dec 27, 2022 |
nntr Now, just because the bible does not explicitly condemn polygamy aka polygyny, nor explicitly condemn polyandry, The Bible says nothing negative about polygamy but it condemns polyandry Don't say what you don't know |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 7:25am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: Many men don't share one woman in the Bible. That's harlotry! And no where did God expressly permit that! But God did permit a man marrying More than one. I can as well marry more wives. "ONE FLESH" "Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh." Genesis 2:24, referenced in Matthew 19:5,6, Mark 10:8, 1 Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 5:31 A man is "one flesh" with EACH woman with whom he copulates, whether in marriage (wife) or in fornication (harlot). When a married man, who is therefore already "one flesh" with his wife, copulates with another woman, that does not then negate his being "one flesh" with the wife. This is evident by the fact that 1 Corinthians 6:16 reveals that a man can be "one flesh" even with an harlot. As even a married man, therefore, can become "one flesh" with an harlot, that proves that a married man can indeed be "one flesh" with more than one woman, without negating his being "one flesh" with his wife. As that is so even with a married man with an harlot, it is thus just as equally true regarding a man being "one flesh" with more than one wife. For further proof, the very next verse provides the context of the plural-to-one aspect, i.e., 1 Corinthians 6:17: "But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit." As EACH Christian is joined as "one spirit" with the Lord, that then demonstrates the context of the plural-to-one aspect. Namely, as EACH Christian is joined as "one spirit" with the Lord, so too may EACH woman be joined as "one flesh" with one man. Lastly, when the Lord Jesus, in Matthew 19:5,6 and Mark 10:8, was re-quoting that original "one flesh" verse of Genesis 2:24, He was only dealing with the issue of divorce, saying, "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." (Matthew 19:6c-d.) That was opposing divorce of God-joined marriages, of what God Himself had joined together as "one flesh". For context, it is exegetically important to note that the "one flesh" verse itself of Genesis 2:24, which the Lord Jesus was re-quoting, was written by Moses. And Moses married (was "one flesh" with) two wives: Zipporah (Exodus 2:16-21 and 18:1-6) and the Ethiopian woman (Numbers 12:1). The term, "one flesh", could not otherwise allegedly mean that a man could not be "one flesh" with more than one woman because three things did indeed happen. 1) Moses did marry two wives. 2) Moses did author such other verses as Exodus 21:10 and Deuteronomy 21:15. 3) Jesus Christ did not speak against Moses' being "one flesh" with two wives. Hence, the Scriptures reveal that Jesus and Moses knew what "one flesh" meant when Moses authored Genesis 2:24: a man may be "one flesh" with more than one woman. From Biblical Polygamy http://www.biblicalpolygamy.com/exegesis/one-flesh/ 1 Like |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 7:25am On Dec 27, 2022 |
LocalStandard1:Yeah, you see the feminine side of me get expressed LocalStandard1:The moment one admits that men and women are different, and understands that they are created to complement each other, the wiser one becomes and unbridled sexual gratification is checked LocalStandard1:Dont get it twisted, because I am not taking sides. My position from post one, had always been about patriarchal and hypocritical attitudes LocalStandard1:Did God reprimand Satan for grievously assault Job? LocalStandard1:The post about Lamech went over your head. You dont know that the most piece of learning for uses of life, is to unlearn what is not in accordance to mutual consent arrangement coupled with devoid of evil and wickedness. There's nothing good come out of Cain and his descendants (i.e. Lamech for example, the first polygamist) Now, I'll ask you again these reloaded interesting questions: 1. How much is a piece of string, because king Solomon had 700 wives, so what number of wives does one reach before stopping? 2. If the table is turned on you LocalStandard1, would you gladly consent and give in to sharing your single partner with another or other women?. Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 7:38am On Dec 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian:Hosea 1:2 When the LORD first spoke through Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea, “Go, take to yourself a wife of harlotry and have children of harlotry; for the land commits flagrant harlotry, forsaking the LORD.” Smh, shows how poorly your bible literacy is. AntiChristian:You can jump off Eiffel Tower, without a parachute for all I care. Now if you arent being disingenuous, then you respond to the question that, if the table is turned on you AntiChristian, would you gladly consent and give in to, sharing your single partner, by being married to him with another woman or other women Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 7:52am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR:Why would any right thinking person forsake the Lord by commiting flagrant harlotry? This even shows it's forbidden.
Once again I am a man and i would allow my daughter marry into a polygamous home. I will also have more than one wife as i don't intend fornication! |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 7:59am On Dec 27, 2022 |
MiddleDimension:1 Timothy 3:2 And an Elder ought to be one in whom no fault is found and is the husband of one woman, is of a vigilant mind, sober, orderly, loves strangers and is a teacher; 1 Timothy 3:12 Deacons must be husbands of only one wife, and good managers of their children and their own households. Next, soon, be sitting you in a high chair, for the next spoon feed,. Right, I guess MiddleDimension:Go steady, with drawing first blood, because if you dont ease up, then at the rate you're going you'll soon bite more than you can chew and stomach, so take the kind advice, to rein yourself in, and cut out the pranks Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by LocalStandard1(m): 8:04am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: The thing is, I would have loved to continue this talk but knowing you are a feminist, one who thinks all men or as some of you put it "the patriarchy" are bad, I will have to stop. I am looking to talk with a Christian not a "sophisticated liberal" feminist. Not an insult. Thank you anyway. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 8:14am On Dec 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: NNTR: AntiChristian:Whats happened to you saying: '... no where did God expressly permit that!' AntiChristian:You are in to polygamy aka polygyny, for all the wrong reasons because Mohamed PBUH, who incidentally had ≥11 - 19 wives, wasnt in all of marrying them, for sex and so meaning, didnt allow polygamy for the sake of sexual pleasure or for to prevent fornication. Now, here's the next question for you: Are you capably in a position of loving each of your wives equally? (i.e. show and give them equal measure of love affection, care support et cetera) Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 8:26am On Dec 27, 2022 |
LocalStandard1:You're a drowning man, desperately grasping at any straw in sight , so to keep your head above water LocalStandard1:Putting words in my mouth. Right? Unconscious bias coming to the fore You really think you're going to be a man forever. Hmm? Right? Smh, how petty LocalStandard1:Here we go again LocalStandard1:Its an indictment that the wind's ran out of your sail LocalStandard1:I dont accept hollow and plastic thank you(s) Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by Dtruthspeaker: 9:28am On Dec 27, 2022 |
MrPresident1: Because there is no new testament only a Re-NEWAL, of the old. MrPresident1: The 3 people who God praised and honoured with His own Mouth (Noah Job and Daniel) had one wife save of course Daniel who had none like Paul. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 9:51am On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: This is pure exhibition of ignorance! Your quoted verse shows the Lord permitting harlotry for Hosea and in the end saying that harlotry forsakes the Lord! The verse even directly contradicts "thou shall not commit adultery"! Secondly, David has many wives! Why did good give him more? Why did God say he would have given him more wives again? Where did God say David or anyone should love their wives equally? You are just putting your desires above your believe in the Bible! |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by LocalStandard1(m): 9:58am On Dec 27, 2022 |
MrPresident1:I am just reading your post now. You say what? She promote that? No wonder! I think she is the same as the person kobochonki. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by NNTR: 10:08am On Dec 27, 2022 |
AntiChristian: AntiChristian:Contrary to you, ignorantly saying that no where did God expressly permit marrying a harlot, in light of the Hosea 1:2 evidence, are you now still, insisting that God didnt expressly ask anyone to marry a harlot. Hmm? I repeat, you are in to polygamy aka polygyny, for all the wrong reasons because Mohamed PBUH, who incidentally had ≥11 - 19 wives, wasnt in all of marrying them, for sex and so meaning, didnt allow polygamy for the sake of sexual pleasure or for to prevent fornication. Now, if you are not being disingenuous, you will kindly give a honest answer to the question below: Are you capably in a position of loving each of your wives equally? (i.e. show and give them equal measure of love affection, care support et cetera) Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories. |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by Dtruthspeaker: 10:51am On Dec 27, 2022 |
LocalStandard1: You are making a case of "because the violators are many therefore the violation is lawful". God's Laws do not change because the offenders are many rather He even Commanded "Thou shalt not follow the multitude to do evil: Exodus 23:2 So trace the origin of this crime , you would see that it starts with Lamech, the grandson of the first murderer, who wanted to make his own world record and therefore did more evill (killed 11 people) and added 2 wives to his list of crimes. Genesis 4:19/23 So now instead of following God, people are following Lamech which is a way to destruction. 1 Like |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by Dtruthspeaker: 11:39am On Dec 27, 2022 |
MiddleDimension: You obviously are a stark raving mad man else you would have seen that Genesis 4:1-14 is just simply reporting an incident between 3 People. And it goes on to show that other people male and female were there, so you are taking complete madness which is grounded by your madness of insulting a person. (I suspect you are still antichristian hiding under this moniker. Same type of madness and insult and absence of ordinary understanding because of the mad blindness of being a devil) 1 Like |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 3:53pm On Dec 27, 2022 |
Dtruthspeaker: Your guess is wrong! You're the one deluded with self desires and unbiblical thoughts! 1 Like |
| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:59pm On Dec 27, 2022 |
LocalStandard1: God only created Adam and Eve so there's no need arguing over polygamy or polyandry if anyone chooses to marry more than one wife or more than one husband let them continue it's a free world!  1 Like
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| Re: Did The Bible Condemn Polygamy And Yul Edochie's Second Marriage? by AntiChristian: 4:03pm On Dec 27, 2022 |
NNTR: How do you interpret the above and thou shall not commit adultery? Is it a contradiction from God? I don't even understand your diction. Muhammad didn't marry up to 19 wives!
No one says you must love all your wives equally! Where in your scripture do you find love your wife equally to David, Solomon, Abraham, Lamech, etc I don't know why you guys leave your Bible and are being hyped up by your selfish desires! |
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