benji93:
The problem is you are assuming Ndidi and Muazam were actually 16-year-olds because they claimed it. They claimed they were 16, and FIFA was not sure they were telling the truth so they use the MRI. Our players have a history of lying about their ages, so for the recent generations, the assumption is they are likely lying, hence the use of the MRI to screen out the old papas 22+ claiming 16. The question is what is the maximum actual age for which a player can claim 16 across the world? Does it differ from one place to another? And if possible by how much? So do you want me to continue with my point?

TheGoodJoe:
In the last excerpt of 40 U17 players failing the MRI scan, it is stated that we used a Stage 4 fusion to screen out players.

Meaning that complete fusion, Stage 6 occurs at seventeen years. However, we are using stage 4 to screen. Meaning that many real U17 players will get screened out.

That is what the article you posted earlier was actually complaining about that real U17 players get screened out of the team.

That has been the practice. So you and komekn's 20/21 years old theory is totally a flawed and false reasoning.

Finito.

Danielnino00:


Since you are basing your statements on assumptions, how about this?
Ndidi that you claim might have falsified hid age has been playing professionally for 10 years now and is considered one of the best DM in the premier league and definitely top 10 in the world based on verifiable stats..Never mind his recent injury spells..
If Ndidi falsified his age, I don't think he would be playing so well at a top level at this stage..

benji93:
Sorry, but you can do better. According to Wiki Ndidi is currently 26. Add four years. That would be 30. Today most players do just fine at 30. Was Drogba still not at least a decent striker at 30? The number of years does play a factor, only in how many of those you've been accumulating injuries(wear and tear). But it's not absolute. Different injuries have different recovery rates or how much of your previous self you can recover. So while injury may cause one's career to derail throwing the injury argument is not enough without discussing the kind of injuries.

TheGoodJoe:


The fusion time before 17 differs from one area to another. However, from 17, it is 99% accurate. It is hard to find people above 17 without completely fused wrist plates. That is why it is accepted by all countries around the world. Even Nigerian radiologists. Unfortunately, you do not know close to what they know.

benji93:
Sorry, but you can do better. According to Wiki Ndidi is currently 26. Add four years. That would be 30. Today most players do just fine at 30. Was Drogba still not at least a decent striker at 30? The number of years does play a factor, only in how many of those you've been accumulating injuries(wear and tear). But it's not absolute. Different injuries have different recovery rates or how much of your previous self you can recover. So while injury may cause one's career to derail throwing the injury argument is not enough without discussing the kind of injuries.

benji93:
I have told you and I will repeat it again. This happens to be a subject you can discuss on academic grounds. So I would reference journal articles that discussed the subject, especially the most important ones and their references. I am not just running to tribune, punch e.t.c. On other matters, I could do that. Only a small fraction of our discussions on football require an academic/scientific context, this topic happens to be one of them. I have been very kind to you. . I asked you a very simple question, and you dropped out. Very insincere. On academic matters, I won't do that with you. I have been quite upfront with you.

Again, my argument that 20/21 year olds can pass the MRI test is my informed deduction from that most important article and their references. You see how clear i have been. I am not just throwing numbers. It's not useful, other than muddying everything up.

By the way, can you tell us where you got 99% from?

This means that being able to make my deduction requires being able to understand the results presented by that article and some of its references. If you do not understand the article, you won't get my deduction. Very very simple.

I know you will chicken out again.

If anybody wants to pick up the gauntlet, come forward. Very simple, we'll bring up the article and discuss it, in which case i'll ask some questions to be sure you are following. That's not so difficult. That's all I ask.

mostob:
You do know there are a lots of factors that could make a 16-year old fails MRI?

Since you're basing your argument on assumptions, I think we should close the matter. No need for further argument bro...

Peace

TheGoodJoe:


Explain your point. Stop jumping around. The floor is open. Prove your flawed and false theory.

benji93:
Can you all see people? You are not careful with your numbers GoodJoe. Where did you get 99% from? I am waiting.

Kog45:
My marjori,Agbonabare was named Agbonibasket when he conceded five goals in a match keeping for NNB during WAFU cup.The man damn good and his records are there in Spanish La liga.He was the first Nigerian keeper to break into top five league in the world and was instrumental to our qualification to first World Cup... I remember 2000 Afcon was decided with penalties,I never rate Shorunmu but he was far better than Okoye... If we can get keeper of Dosu standard in present day NPFL then bye bye to Okoye.... Oh Alloy Agu the keeper I never respected but I saw him in Dutch league with Maastricht and did well.He was in goal in Algiers 90 and Senegal 92 and his performance though average was better from what i saw of Okoye in Afcon and any match he has kept for Nigeria....Pls just tell me any SE match that Okoye show that glimpse of a real national team keeper.

**Haba,pls go into archive and read about Wilfred Agbonabare,a la liga keeper with over 170 appearances for Rayo Vallecano,apart from Vincent Enyeama no Nigerian keeper had such record in top five league and saying Okoye is better cos of Dutch league.Dutch league that very poor Alloy Agu survived and Peter Rufai went there to revive his career.

komekn:


It's quite obvious you've never had a MRI scan.

I've had three MRI scans all related to sports injuries, that by default means a discussion with radiologists in a top university teaching hospital in the UK.

I have both first hand participative understanding as well as research based understanding.

What do you have , prejudice and negative ignorance anchored on infantile rancourous noise making.

komekn:


You are waisting your time.

These guys want to call the moon blue when it's clearly bright white.

Habit is the beginning of character and character ingrained on a national scale becomes culture.

Age cheating is an intrinsic part of our national character. At every level of society we have age cheating in Nigeria and Africa in general.

Everybody knows that player valuation is intrinsically linked with age. Every football academy I have been to in Nigeria. The question asked is not how old the players are But how old do you want them to be ❓

We do not have automatic birth data capture and as such you rely on the integrity of individuals. Sworn declaration of age. Nobodys age in Nigeria can be officially verified by a government institution.

So for instance just add a mere 3 years to V.O. age and a big chunk of his transfer value will be gone.

So you want to rely on individual integrity for age verification, in country where there is None. TheGoodJoe has called me a LIAR dont think he knows what the word means. He is knows the truth but denies it .

Mujtahida:

Okoye is arguably the worst goalkeeper of the Super Eagles.

Mujtahida:

Okoye is arguably the worst goalkeeper of the Super Eagles.

elyte89:



U go stubborn for real life…na only u I sabi wey be say dem go leave argument for u,but u go still continue just to prove a point

charlesemeka85:
it’s between him and baruwa

Kog45:
Reason I need to dig into archive... I watched Best Ogedegbe till this era and really surprised that some don't even know Wilfred Agbonabare.The man who broke into Spanish league as far as 1990 and kept for good six years with 189 matches.... Okoye has done nothing to be compared with any ex eagles goalie.

charlesemeka85:
it’s between him and baruwa

Kog45:
Reason I need to dig into archive... I watched Best Ogedegbe till this era and really surprised that some don't even know Wilfred Agbonabare.The man who broke into Spanish league as far back as 1990 and kept for good six years with 189 matches.... Okoye has done nothing to be compared with any ex eagles goalie.

Kog45:
Oga Charles,I just pray Okoye comes good cos Nigeria really invested on him,a regional league keeper to national team keeper, serious a real talented keeper would have seized the opportunity,ditto to Uzoho,from Segunda 3 to world cup as number but till date Nigerians don't believe in him... Rohr did well for Okoye and Uzoho.

Mujtahida:

There's no doubt that age cheating is one of our national pastimes. Anybody arguing against this fact is dreaming

Mujtahida:

Regardless of the topic, it's actually unfruitful to engage thegoodjoe in an argument.

The best thing is to engage him when you agree with his opinion. That way you guys can have robust discussion. But if you read an opinion of his you don't agree with, resist the urge to get into an argument with him.

TheGoodJoe:
Due to the MRI accuracy, we don't play with fielding overage players because it is detrimental to our preparation.

Look at the picture below.

This is Iheanacho with a man in 2010 and with the same man in 2016. I am sure you can see he was not some 20/21 years old player in the U17 World Cup.

cc: benji93

benji93:
Sorry, but you can do better. According to Wiki Ndidi is currently 26. Add four years. That would be 30. Today most players do just fine at 30. Was Drogba still not at least a decent striker at 30? The number of years does play a factor, only in how many of those you've been accumulating injuries(wear and tear). But it's not absolute. Different injuries have different recovery rates or how much of your previous self you can recover. So while injury may cause one's career to derail throwing the injury argument is not enough without discussing the kind of injuries.

TheGoodJoe:


Ndidi grew up under the supervision of a Super Eagles coach. You can't argue his age. He was watched from a small boy until he grew up. Your points are always fantasies with no back up.

Finito.