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Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 11:34am On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:1. So the sinners that saw yahweh in the Bible were what? 2. Oh, morality does change. It is both dynamic and relative. Dynamic meaning it changes over time. For example, using your favorite story book, stoning adulterous women was all good in the Old Testament, but frowned upon in the New. Same with polygamy etc. Same issue with slavery which was great in the Bible but right now is unacceptable. Morality is also relative in that what is morally right in the US is morally wrong in Nigeria. Example is binary people, LGBTQ etc 3. You said morality is from any god(irrespective of name) but you forgot those 'gods' gave laws that are relatively immoral in these days. Example is sacrificing of humans, animals, crops(which by the way, was a favorite of your Yahweh). Of course these are not practiced these days because morality has had a paradigm shift. In the next 50 years, LGBTQ, non binary folks etc would be morally right in the whole world, including the church. Of course there would be pockets of resistance but generally laws would accept it. Even now some African countries accept LGBTQ like South Africa 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 11:38am On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:I hope you know the Old Testament teaches sacrifices, slavery, killing of those that work on Sabbath etc. So yes, some of the Bible teachings are deleterious 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by HardMirror(m): 11:56am On Feb 10, 2023 |
LordReed:i think i enjoy trolling now than trying to reason with people here. Lol. Honestly you have patience. Why i dont post on religion anymore |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 12:04pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
HardMirror: Yeah it's not that great around here most times but sometimes I am in the mood to have a conversation and sometimes you get a good interlocutor. |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 12:04pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Lol. Theists that practice all sorts atrocities in Nigeria weren't they thinking of the punishment? Or were they thinking of escaping? 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by HardMirror(m): 12:08pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
LordReed:why you should not take my recent posts too serious. I just like pulling people's strings πππ. Occationally i am serious anyway. Lol. |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 12:18pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
jaephoenix:whatever they are thinking, they can be atheists, theists even Theresa herself if they don't repent from their wickedness they will face the repercussions of it |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 12:19pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
jaephoenix:and you know it teaches that has what? And who are you to know or say what it teaches and doesn't teach? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 12:25pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
Jashub:I would have to post the pdf later. Maybe a mail |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 12:29pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
jaephoenix:1. Which sinner saw him? 2. Writing together a bunch doesn't mean it's a sensible sentence. If you had any understanding you would have known Jesus didn't tell them not to stone her. Just like the rest of your other assumptions it shows you speak more on things you know little about and you neither listen to answers of questions you claim to ask. 3. Are you not so fixated on your twisted logic that you would even deny the very God that did not command human sacrifice but condemned so gods and demons that did, abolishing the nonsense men practiced in their search for power. Morality and righteousness that comes from God does not change. If you like agree if you like don't agree. Men are still free to create their own form of morality and righteousness, or even self righteous. Whatever men create is only a copy of what they have seen |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 12:31pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
jaephoenix:is that really the question, if it is true and not if the answer is acceptable to you? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by gohf: 12:33pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
jaephoenix:because your perception is limited to only what you see and know |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 12:47pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
HardMirror: It's ok, I enjoy our conversations. 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 1:40pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
Jashub:This is what Tacitus wrote⦠But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind Now we cannot really judge much because this was the only referral to Jesus outside the bible. No mention of his miracles ,his divinity, his resurrection etc. So make of it whatever you want 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 1:43pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:No. The help they need is mental state examination. If they only inducement for them to do good is to promise them goodies like heaven, then they have some manic tendencies and would need incarceration to keep them away from the society 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 1:43pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Your point? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 1:44pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:If you prefer going around in circles, then suit yourself |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 2:01pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Imagine if my boss has schizophrenia or bipolar disorder and sees an atheist like me in his workplace? Do you know he'll do to me? Or haven't you seen christians accuse little children of witchcraft? Or mothers being accused of witchcraft like they are responsible for their children's misfortunes? These are examples of delusions of persecutions. And these cause bodily harm, or even death. Pastors saying they saw Yahweh and even had tea with him etc is a delusion of grandeur, and can wrongly influence easily impressionable and gullible folks which is a good percentage of the folks here. These are mental diseases of Christianity 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Jashub: 2:03pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
jaephoenix:Our focus was on his existence ...not miracles nor His divinity. Which brings me to my point : Jesus did exist , and if he did , then the bible's account must be true. Therefore, it will be foolishness not to believe in the existence of a God. It's as simple as that |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 2:11pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Would it be a stretch for you to show us evidence of your Yahweh existence? 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 2:16pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
Jashub: WRONG. A person called Jesus the Christ could have exist and yet the bible still be wrong about everything attributed to him except the name. You need independent corrabotion especially for the more fantastic claims like the claims of miracles or resurrection from the dead. Very often you hear the counter example New York exists therefore Spiderman exists, that is exactly what you said here. 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Jashub: 2:26pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
LordReed:I don't understand this rubbish you just typed. But I'll humor you and give another chance to arrange your argument in a logical manner |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 2:35pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
Jashub: LoLz. New York exists does that mean the Spiderman comics are depictions of historical events? 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Jashub: 2:43pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
LordReed:It seems you're not following the thread but I'll update you on it. Josephus and Tacitus (two non-christian historians) admitted in their annals , that a man called Jesus existed . These men were known to be neither biased or religious in their accounts of historical facts . Which makes the validity of Jesus's existence true . Besides that's, other eyewitness accounts from the Bible verify the truth of the man Jesus . So I don't see the connection here between New York and Spiderman . |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 2:49pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
Jashub: Right. New York is the place Spiderman lives in in the comes. All the famous buildings and places in the RL New York are all in the Spiderman comics. If we follow your logic New York is real and is also in the comics, therefore anything the comics depict is also real. That is exactly what you said by saying "Jesus did exist , and if he did , then the bible's account must be true". That cannot be the case. That some real fact or person was included in a narrative does not automatically indicate that the narrative is also real or true. 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Jashub: 3:01pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
LordReed:You must be delusional. Okay...so why do you believe Socrates existed? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 3:05pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
Jashub: LoLz. Getting salty already? I don't believe Socrates existed, do you? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Image123(m): 3:06pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
LordReed: So if he says he doesn't just believe God exists but knows God exists, you'll give him icecream? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 3:12pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Worse in Nigeria |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by Jashub: 3:13pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
LordReed:I believe Socrates existed because of the historical evidences in the writings of many historians . So what's your point ...? |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by jaephoenix(m): 3:16pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
gohf:Lol. What an ignoramus. Who told you we came from monkeys? How does the Great Ape translate into monkeys? Hope you know our DNAs are almost the same. In fact if I bring ape and human bones together , you wouldn't know the difference. And of course, there is scientific evidence we came from the great ape. Is there evidence of creation? No. Even the catholic church realized how wrong creationism is and are trying to inculcate evolutionism, Big Bang into their teaching. Jokes on you, theist 1 Like |
Re: Being An Atheist Is It An Excuse To Be Wicked? by LordReed(m): 3:19pm On Feb 10, 2023 |
Jashub: So do you believe every single thing written about Socrates including the contradictory things? |
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