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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by gly(m): 10:07pm On Jan 12, 2023
atheistandproud:


You sef see am too bah.

Life no hard.

Naso joor.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by DonroxyII: 7:31pm On Jan 18, 2023
atheistandproud:

Because of the above, all of these things are factors that lead to a sort of trap that is very difficult to break free of because the young ones are, to all intents and purposes, born into it and will probably never escape it.
All the Odds established are all Effect of Globalisation and Everything is in Order for there is no any cause of alarm to me ....

These are all as a result of Global Cultural Clashes and Cultural Wars going on ....

In this dispensation Many People would die due to lack of preparation and Immaturity to respond to contemporary Challenges of the world because the tools to respond is not in the Gearbox(Mental Faculty) of Many People ..
Imagine Chinese Cultures Affecting Nigeria which an Average Hausa/Yoruba/Igbo/Ijaw/Igbira is not Matured Enough to Bear due to Strangeness such people Could Die after fighting for long-term without Breakthrough and Many People find it Difficult to Metamorphose from their Heritage Cultures because all their Genetics is already Adhered and Adapted !

Nevertheless, The Next Generations of Humanbeing Would Come Prepared as you can see Many Children are Born Woke .....

Globalisation is the Peak of Human Civilisations then the dust would settle with Globalised Laws and Norms then Families would Be Settled and Societies is Settled...

Incidence of BabyMama would be Abolished because the cost of Babymama would be higher than the cost of Marriage while Divorce would be stringent because the cost of Divorce would be higher than the cost of marriage..

Abandon your responsibilities and go to Jail as a Man or Woman ...

You can't born more than your income bracket. Children would be on Allocation based on Income Bracket not Mere discretion...

Polygamy would be Promoted based on Income Bracket same with Polyhandry all based on Income Bracket ....

Eggs would be freezed until couples are ready for fertilisation...

The World would be ruled by Sciences not mere Spiritualism



Welcome to Heaven on Earth

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by DonroxyII: 7:40pm On Jan 18, 2023
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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 9:18pm On Jan 18, 2023
DonroxyII:
All the Odds established are all Effect of Globalisation and Everything is in Order for there is no any cause of alarm to me ....

These are all as a result of Global Cultural Clashes and Cultural Wars going on ....

In this dispensation Many People would die due to lack of preparation and inability to respond to contemporary Challenges of the world because the tools to respond is not in the Gearbox(Mental Faculty) of Many People ..

Nevertheless, The Next Generations of Humanbeing Would Come Prepared as you can see Many Children are Born Woke .....

Globalisation is the Peak of Human Civilisations then the dust would settle with Globalised Laws and Norms then Families would Be Settled and Societies is Settled...

Incidence of BabyMama would be Abolished because the cost of Babymama would be higher than the cost of Marriage while Divorce would be stringent because the cost of Divorce would be higher than the cost of marriage..

Abandon your responsibilities and go to Jail as a Man or Woman ...

You can't born more than your income bracket. Children would be on Allocation based on Income Bracket not Mere discretion...

Polygamy would be Promoted based on Income Bracket same with Polyhandry all based on Income Bracket ....

Eggs would be freezed until couples are ready for fertilisation...

The World would be ruled by Sciences not mere Spiritualism



Welcome to Heaven on Earth

Globalization feels like an Orwellian dystopia to me.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by DonroxyII: 5:23am On Jan 19, 2023
atheistandproud:


Globalization feels like an Orwellian dystopia to me.
That's My Projection of the World of Humanities!

One Mankind, One Law .. "Fairness" !!
Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by BornKiller: 1:17pm On Jan 26, 2023
Why would an atheist be worried about the collapse of the family structure? What is wrong with the idea of a fallen family?

atheistandproud:
The collapse of the family structure in society will always predate the collapse of a society. This is usually one of the signs to look out for. In communities where the family structure has completely broken down, society deteriorates with it.

You can't fix this one with a swoosh of a magic wand.(donotcopy) This is because this problem is a oroborosian one. The breakdown of the family structure exacerbates the breakdown of society which in turn causes the family structure to breakdown even faster.

In Nigeria here, with the introduction of celebrity culture and the internet going into full swing at some point in the mid 2000s, it only served to worsen and spread(donotcopy) one of the worst tendencies that we have...the worship of money.

Throw Instagram in several years later and a corner has been turned. The first victims of this were unfortunately young people. The ladies in particular who were bombarded with images (usually enhanced or fake) of an unattainable life led by the 1%. They soon imbibed it and made it their standard.

Instagram celebrities like Linda Ikeji also added fuel to the fire. If he doesn't earn in dollars or in 6 figures, dump him. If he doesn't have a car, he's not your class(donotcopy). If he doesn't this, if he doesn't that etc. Soon the young men will fall victim and would now look to attain these standards set by Instagram celebrities and enforced by women. This is on top of the already bogus culture of bride price that extorts men.

If that wasn't bad enough, even people who were already married would choose to impose these standards on their long time spouses, both male and female.(donotcopy) Marriage is no longer about teamwork, it's now about getting one's way. If you don't have your way or you're not happy, DIVORCE!!!

With the hunt for money in full swing and a new phenomenon of divorce rapidly tearing through marriages, there's a whole generation of kids that do not know the comfort and stability of a 2-parent home. The single parents are too tired from working that they simply do not have the energy to parent their kids.

With poor leadership, ever disappearing jobs, zero opportunities etc.(donotcopy) There's only one way to reach these standards. Crime!

In many communities the glorification of crime, discouragement and suspicion of education, absenteeism of fathers (and mothers too), fewer opportunities, impoverished neighbourhoods etc. has become the norm(donotcopy).

Yahoo boys (internet fraudsters), 419-ers (local fraudsters), kidnappers, armed robbers, violent cultists, drug-dealers, ritualists, organ harvesters etc. have become role models for children whose parents have all but abdicated their responsibility.

Without the family structure to act as a buffer between these impressionable young minds and the cancer of societal vices, the hope of any future family structure for future generations tanks even further.

Because of the above, all of these things are factors that lead to a sort of trap that is very difficult to break free of because the young ones are, to all intents and purposes, born into it and will probably never escape it.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 1:29pm On Jan 26, 2023
BornKiller:
Why would an atheist be worried about the collapse of the family structure? What is wrong with the idea of a fallen family?


Do you people even understand what an atheist is?

It's a lack of belief in a Supernatural deity e.g. Yahweh, Zeus, Ra, Allah, Amadioha etc. That's it. We do no subscribe to religion or religious beliefs.

We are not anti society or anti family. Those ones are anarchists. I live in society and the rapid disintegration of society has made it highly unsafe for me to live in.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by BornKiller: 1:35pm On Jan 26, 2023
Yes, but where does your moral code come from? A lot of what you call a broken family system is as a result of personal choices made on an individual basis. So a woman who chooses to have children, but who doesn't want to get married has made a moral choice to do so. Also, a father who packs up one day and abandons the mother of his children because he no longer wants the moral obligation of providing for them, has also made a personal choice to do so.

From your perspective as an atheist, is there anything wrong with these choices?

atheistandproud:


Do you people even understand what an atheist is?

It's a lack of belief in a Supernatural deity e.g. Yahweh, Zeus, Ra, Allah, Amadioha etc. That's it. We do no subscribe to religion or religious beliefs.

We are not anti society or anti family. Those ones are anarchists. I live in society and the rapid disintegration of society has made it highly unsafe for me to live in.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 1:38pm On Jan 26, 2023
BornKiller:
Yes, but where does your moral code come from? A lot of what you call a broken family system is as a result of personal choices made on an individual basis. So a woman who chooses to have children, but who doesn't want to get married has made a moral choice to do so. Also, a father who packs up one day and abandons the mother of his children because he no longer wants the moral obligation of providing for them, has also made a personal choice to do so.

From your perspective as an atheist, is there anything wrong with these choices?


Basic human empathy as well as self interest.

If I accost you on a road and with the force of arms chooses to dispossess you of your valuables, is there anything wrong with that?

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by BornKiller: 1:43pm On Jan 26, 2023
If you're an atheist, then there's nothing wrong with being an armed robber. But I'm not an atheist because I have an objective moral standard which is God. By objective I mean a standard of morality that exists independently and outside of my influence. I don't get to determine what is right or wrong, only God can do that.

atheistandproud:


Basic human empathy as well as self interest.

If I accost you on a road and with the force of arms chooses to dispossess you of your valuables, is there anything wrong with that?

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 1:57pm On Jan 26, 2023
BornKiller:


If you're an atheist, then there's nothing wrong with being an armed robber. But I'm not an atheist because I have an objective moral standard which is God. By objective I mean a standard of morality that exists independently and outside of my influence. I don't get to determine what is right or wrong, only God can do that.


Citation needed at the bolded.

The fact that you have this type of mindset is what makes religious people ripe tools to be used in the hands of unscrupulous religious leaders.

Let's examine your moral standard, the Jewish Iron age war god, Yahweh.

According to the creation myths in Genesis, he makes a mistake with humans and proceeds to commit Genocide.

His number 1 solution to any problem is war, death and desolation. According to the Bible and the Talmud, Yahweh is the leading cause of human death. If that's your standard (a murderous bloodthirsty Iron age deity) then you need to overcome your programming and pick better standards in my opinion.

I don't need a 4000 year old book to teach me to be nice to my neighbors without the fear of death or eternal damnation.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by oldienavie: 5:23pm On Jan 26, 2023
BornKiller:
If you're an atheist, then there's nothing wrong with being an armed robber. But I'm not an atheist because I have an objective moral standard which is God. By objective I mean a standard of morality that exists independently and outside of my influence. I don't get to determine what is right or wrong, only God can do that.

Reading this just makes you understand the problem with Nigeria, a warped educational system leading to a significant reduction in the IQ of the vast majority of the populace.
This is why we have so many religious houses yet, corruption, stealing, murder, yahoo yahoo is very prevalent in our society.

You do not need the bible or quran to tell you that stealing is wrong, the God that you claim to serve has given you a brain, use it and stop behaving like a zombie.

The most peaceful prosperous nations in this world are those that the majority of the population are athiests, but again, I don't expect you to understand, the average Nigerian does not have the capacity for critical thinking.
We prefer to spend our time praying and fasting and waiting for miracles to happen while we steal and loot the government and scheme how to take advantage of our neighbour rather than brainstorming on how to make our country better.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 8:31pm On Jan 26, 2023
oldienavie:

Reading this just makes you understand the problem with Nigeria, a warped educational system leading to a significant reduction in the IQ of the vast majority of the populace.
This is why we have so many religious houses yet, corruption, stealing, murder, yahoo yahoo is very prevalent in our society.

You do not need the bible or quran to tell you that stealing is wrong, the God that you claim to serve has given you a brain, use it and stop behaving like a zombie.

The most peaceful prosperous nations in this world are those that the majority of the population are athiests, but again, I don't expect you to understand, the average Nigerian does not have the capacity for critical thinking.
We prefer to spend our time praying and fasting and waiting for miracles to happen while we steal and loot the government and scheme how to take advantage of our neighbour rather than brainstorming on how to make our country better.

Wetin be your favorite drink boss grin

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by BornKiller: 3:50pm On Feb 13, 2023
Your problem is that you are disease and yet you have somehow stupidly come to the conclusion that you are the cure.

All I asked you was what was the origin of your moral standards? Are your moral standards objective or are they subjective? That's a very simple question which should require a very simple answer, but your single digit, pebble sized brain began to short circuit and malfunction.

I NEVER asked you to believe the Bible because believe it or not, some people are actually cursed and the Bible will never add any value to their lives. You might actually be one of these people. I can't say you are because I'm not God and I don't call the shots on who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.

The whole substance and theme of my line of questioning is based entirely on ethics and morality, not religion.

So I'll repeat my question one more time: Are your moral standards objective or subjective?

oldienavie:

Reading this just makes you understand the problem with Nigeria, a warped educational system leading to a significant reduction in the IQ of the vast majority of the populace.
This is why we have so many religious houses yet, corruption, stealing, murder, yahoo yahoo is very prevalent in our society.

You do not need the bible or quran to tell you that stealing is wrong, the God that you claim to serve has given you a brain, use it and stop behaving like a zombie.

The most peaceful prosperous nations in this world are those that the majority of the population are athiests, but again, I don't expect you to understand, the average Nigerian does not have the capacity for critical thinking.
We prefer to spend our time praying and fasting and waiting for miracles to happen while we steal and loot the government and scheme how to take advantage of our neighbour rather than brainstorming on how to make our country better.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by GloriousGbola: 4:10pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:
The collapse of the family structure in society will always predate the collapse of a society. This is usually one of the signs to look out for. In communities where the family structure has completely broken down, society deteriorates with it.

You can't fix this one with a swoosh of a magic wand.(donotcopy) This is because this problem is a oroborosian one. The breakdown of the family structure exacerbates the breakdown of society which in turn causes the family structure to breakdown even faster.

In Nigeria here, with the introduction of celebrity culture and the internet going into full swing at some point in the mid 2000s, it only served to worsen and spread(donotcopy) one of the worst tendencies that we have...the worship of money.

Throw Instagram in several years later and a corner has been turned. The first victims of this were unfortunately young people. The ladies in particular who were bombarded with images (usually enhanced or fake) of an unattainable life led by the 1%. They soon imbibed it and made it their standard.

Instagram celebrities like Linda Ikeji also added fuel to the fire. If he doesn't earn in dollars or in 6 figures, dump him. If he doesn't have a car, he's not your class(donotcopy). If he doesn't this, if he doesn't that etc. Soon the young men will fall victim and would now look to attain these standards set by Instagram celebrities and enforced by women. This is on top of the already bogus culture of bride price that extorts men.

If that wasn't bad enough, even people who were already married would choose to impose these standards on their long time spouses, both male and female.(donotcopy) Marriage is no longer about teamwork, it's now about getting one's way. If you don't have your way or you're not happy, DIVORCE!!!

With the hunt for money in full swing and a new phenomenon of divorce rapidly tearing through marriages, there's a whole generation of kids that do not know the comfort and stability of a 2-parent home. The single parents are too tired from working that they simply do not have the energy to parent their kids.

With poor leadership, ever disappearing jobs, zero opportunities etc.(donotcopy) There's only one way to reach these standards. Crime!

In many communities the glorification of crime, discouragement and suspicion of education, absenteeism of fathers (and mothers too), fewer opportunities, impoverished neighbourhoods etc. has become the norm(donotcopy).

Yahoo boys (internet fraudsters), 419-ers (local fraudsters), kidnappers, armed robbers, violent cultists, drug-dealers, ritualists, organ harvesters etc. have become role models for children whose parents have all but abdicated their responsibility.

Without the family structure to act as a buffer between these impressionable young minds and the cancer of societal vices, the hope of any future family structure for future generations tanks even further.

Because of the above, all of these things are factors that lead to a sort of trap that is very difficult to break free of because the young ones are, to all intents and purposes, born into it and will probably never escape it.

There is a lot to say about linda ikeji, but Instagram celeb is not one of them. Up to 2015 her life was an open book and we watched her go from camry to murano to range. And all the time she always talked about how ladies should be patient. And that it is not easy.

Your ignorant comments have rubbished whatever message you are trying to pass across.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by GloriousGbola: 4:19pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:


And you don finally bring your leg out. Single parenthood doesn't need your defense but here we are.

It is false equivalence to equate spousal abandonment of the past to the willful separation of the present. If we were go back statistics, the number of people raised in single parent before the 2000s was only a minute fraction of the society. A very tiny fraction when compared to monogamists and polygamists.

So if it was prevalent your community, I empathize with you but I cannot relate. Where I grew up and the family I came from, I can trace my linage back 6 generations and I know where my great grandfather is buried. He died in 1965. It's embossed on his tomb.

The explosion in willful single motherhood began in the 2000s and has further gone on. Young men are picking up baby mama culture and young ladies are joining the bandwagon, having multiple children from different men.

What makes it worse is that we do not even have a welfare system to look after these single parent families like they do in the USA.

Children in single parent homes turn out worse. I see it everywhere around now. Zero parental control, zero discipline, zero comportment.

These are the adults of tomorrow. Here you are defending the slide into degeneracy. Continue.

Obama was raised in a single parent home. Trump was raised in a 'proper' home

There is more nuance to this.

Most of the 'traditional' values that you are celebrating have not empirically translated to a better Nigeria.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Nobody: 5:31pm On Feb 13, 2023
BornKiller:
If you're an atheist, then there's nothing wrong with being an armed robber. But I'm not an atheist because I have an objective moral standard which is God. By objective I mean a standard of morality that exists independently and outside of my influence. I don't get to determine what is right or wrong, only God can do that.


Japan has a very low crime rate. They are a highly moral people with morality being defined as having a sense of rights and wrongs.
Now, Japan is not a religious society but a very moral one, most people are law abiding.

In contrast with Nigeria, a deeply religious society, churches everywhere but one of the most immoral society on earth.

Now, how did Japan come about its moral code where most people strive to obey the law absent of religion.

Has religion and God helped Nigeria to become a more moral society?

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by BornKiller: 5:52pm On Feb 13, 2023
Japan is a culturally homogenous country where 97% of the population belong to the same ethnic group, so the issues of mutual distrust and suspicion which exists in Nigeria are non existent in Japan. They also have their own religious and spiritual ethics and values. Shintoism and Buddhism are still widely practiced as religions in the country.

Skyview01:


Japan has a very low crime rate. They are a highly moral people with morality being defined as having a sense of rights and wrongs.
Now, Japan is not a religious society but a very moral one, most people are law abiding.

In contrast with Nigeria, a deeply religious society, churches everywhere but one of the most immoral society on earth.

Now, how did Japan come about its moral code where most people strive to obey the law absent of religion.

Has religion and God helped Nigeria to become a more moral society?

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 6:00pm On Feb 13, 2023
GloriousGbola:


Obama was raised in a single parent home. Trump was raised in a 'proper' home

There is more nuance to this.

Most of the 'traditional' values that you are celebrating have not empirically translated to a better Nigeria.

Exceptions do not make the rule.

Now repeat that to yourself.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by GloriousGbola: 6:05pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:


Exceptions do not make the rule.

Now repeat that to yourself.

Your celebrated dual parent household has been the rule in Nigeria. It has not stopped youths from becoming yahoo boys and girls from becoming runs girls. It did not stop cultism. It did not stop area boys.

Now repeat that to yourself.

The real problem with Nigeria and Africa will always be simple minded thinking and the delusion that 'a moral, traditional' upbringing will somehow set the world or the country straight

Doubly ironic when you consider that most of history's most horrible leaders also grew up in 'traditional' homes.

Now think outside your narrow closeted box and stop looking for simplistic answers to complex questions.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by atheistandproud(m): 6:16pm On Feb 13, 2023
GloriousGbola:


Your celebrated dual parent household has been the rule in Nigeria. It has not stopped youths from becoming yahoo boys and girls from becoming runs girls. It did not stop cultism. It did not stop area boys.

Now repeat that to yourself.

The real problem with Nigeria and Africa will always be simple minded thinking and the delusion that 'a moral, traditional' upbringing will somehow set the world or the country straight

Doubly ironic when you consider that most of history's most horrible leaders also grew up in 'traditional' homes.

Now think outside your narrow closeted box and stop looking for simplistic answers to complex questions.

You seem to be all over the place in a quest to debunk, so I cannot clearly see the point that you're trying to make.

I wrote about absentee parents but I guess that clearly went over your head.

Yahoo boys (internet fraudsters), 419-ers (local fraudsters), kidnappers, armed robbers, violent cultists, drug-dealers, ritualists, organ harvesters etc. have become role models for children whose parents have all but abdicated their responsibility.

Imagine equating corruption and greed to bad parenting. Seeing your username, why am I even surprised?

You're the one who's trying to simplify a complex issue so that that you can do a debunk and go on a non-existent victory march feeling smug for yourself.

Seeing as it is that I have no intention of entertaining your shenanigans, this is my last reply to you. Peace.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by GloriousGbola: 6:31pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:


You seem to be all over the place in a quest to debunk, so I cannot clearly see the point that you're trying to make.

I wrote about absentee parents but I guess that clearly went over your head.



Imagine equating corruption and greed to bad parenting. Seeing your username, why am I even surprised?

You're the one who's trying to simplify a complex issue so that that you can do a debunk and go on a non-existent victory march feeling smug for yourself.

Seeing as it is that I have no intention of entertaining your shenanigans, this is my last reply to you. Peace.


Did you go to university in Nigeria?

I did. I have seen whole families (different siblings) in university. You see a family with one brother an su, the other a thug. One with a sister that is hajia another with a sister that becomes a runs girl. But of course for you it is simply single parenthood or absentee parenthood tongue

As to my moniker, it is expected that your sense of humour is as non existent as your dubious claims to intelligence.

Every once in while it is best to put simpletons in thier place because the chaff between their ears is contagious.

In a discussion a week ago with people with far more sense and real world experience than you, several products of Nigerian universities my self included acknowledged that with a few wrong associations or friendships we could also have fallen into campus cultism.



Then again when one considers the fact that you called Linda ikeji an Instagram celebrity, it should be obvious what your are - a post-indomie generation attempt at 'moral influencer'

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by IbeOkehie: 7:24pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:


I avoided replying you because you plucked something nonexistent out of thin air and presented it as though it was what I said (strawman). A very common argumentative tactic used on Nairaland.

No where did I state that a family is a marriage. Even a child in elementary school could easily make that simple distinction.

A family is a unit made up of two parents and kids. All academic and medical studies on the subject shows that children do best in a two parent home.

Whatever agreement that both parents have as regards their union is up to them. Whether it's a legal arrangement or an informal partnership. That is up to them.

When that union is split and one parent is left raising the kids, children tend to perform and turn out worse than those in 2 parent homes. Hence the use of the term "divorce".

Divorce is only one of the several reasons stated in the entire article. The others which includes:

1. Glorification of money
2. Setting of unattainable standards by socalled celebrity relationship coaches.
3. Such standards gladly enforced by women

All of which militate against the formation of new families.

4. Breaking down of preexisting families
5. Poor parenting of kids
6. Poor role models for kids

Children growing up under such conditions do very poorly and make up the nucleus of the next generation of the society.

Thus as a result society collapses.

Thanks. Most of what you write is correct, especially on the deleterious effects of single parent homes. This is a serious problem here in the USA that I hope will improve over time as people come to grasps with the real long term effects of certain personal choices. In the meantime we're fortunate to have a fairly good social safety net that mitigates some of the problems. In Nigeria that safety net has been the extended family and my observation is that it's breaking down.

This is a very touchy issue for most people and everyone has choices, the best that can be said is to each his own, every one will get the results they bargained for...most of the time.

Have a good day.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Ajibel(m): 7:27pm On Feb 13, 2023
Why am I seeing donotcopy within the article?

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Biafraaa: 7:28pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:


I avoided replying you because you plucked something nonexistent out of thin air and presented it as though it was what I said (strawman). A very common argumentative tactic used on Nairaland.

No where did I state that a family is a marriage. Even a child in elementary school could easily make that simple distinction.

A family is a unit made up of two parents and kids. All academic and medical studies on the subject shows that children do best in a two parent home.

Whatever agreement that both parents have as regards their union is up to them. Whether it's a legal arrangement or an informal partnership. That is up to them.

When that union is split and one parent is left raising the kids, children tend to perform and turn out worse than those in 2 parent homes. Hence the use of the term "divorce".

Divorce is only one of the several reasons stated in the entire article. The others which includes:

1. Glorification of money
2. Setting of unattainable standards by socalled celebrity relationship coaches.
3. Such standards gladly enforced by women

All of which militate against the formation of new families.

4. Breaking down of preexisting families
5. Poor parenting of kids
6. Poor role models for kids

Children growing up under such conditions do very poorly and make up the nucleus of the next generation of the society.

Thus as a result society collapses.
This is way better than your write up on🙏🙏

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Hassanmaye(m): 7:30pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:
The collapse of the family structure in society will always predate the collapse of a society. This is usually one of the signs to look out for. In communities where the family structure has completely broken down, society deteriorates with it.

You can't fix this one with a swoosh of a magic wand.(donotcopy) This is because this problem is a oroborosian one. The breakdown of the family structure exacerbates the breakdown of society which in turn causes the family structure to breakdown even faster.

In Nigeria here, with the introduction of celebrity culture and the internet going into full swing at some point in the mid 2000s, it only served to worsen and spread(donotcopy) one of the worst tendencies that we have...the worship of money.

Throw Instagram in several years later and a corner has been turned. The first victims of this were unfortunately young people. The ladies in particular who were bombarded with images (usually enhanced or fake) of an unattainable life led by the 1%. They soon imbibed it and made it their standard.

Instagram celebrities like Linda Ikeji also added fuel to the fire. If he doesn't earn in dollars or in 6 figures, dump him. If he doesn't have a car, he's not your class(donotcopy). If he doesn't this, if he doesn't that etc. Soon the young men will fall victim and would now look to attain these standards set by Instagram celebrities and enforced by women. This is on top of the already bogus culture of bride price that extorts men.

If that wasn't bad enough, even people who were already married would choose to impose these standards on their long time spouses, both male and female.(donotcopy) Marriage is no longer about teamwork, it's now about getting one's way. If you don't have your way or you're not happy, DIVORCE!!!

With the hunt for money in full swing and a new phenomenon of divorce rapidly tearing through marriages, there's a whole generation of kids that do not know the comfort and stability of a 2-parent home. The single parents are too tired from working that they simply do not have the energy to parent their kids.

With poor leadership, ever disappearing jobs, zero opportunities etc.(donotcopy) There's only one way to reach these standards. Crime!

In many communities the glorification of crime, discouragement and suspicion of education, absenteeism of fathers (and mothers too), fewer opportunities, impoverished neighbourhoods etc. has become the norm(donotcopy).

Yahoo boys (internet fraudsters), 419-ers (local fraudsters), kidnappers, armed robbers, violent cultists, drug-dealers, ritualists, organ harvesters etc. have become role models for children whose parents have all but abdicated their responsibility.

Without the family structure to act as a buffer between these impressionable young minds and the cancer of societal vices, the hope of any future family structure for future generations tanks even further.

Because of the above, all of these things are factors that lead to a sort of trap that is very difficult to break free of because the young ones are, to all intents and purposes, born into it and will probably never escape it.
May God bless you, you have Said it all. Although this is why i Like Islam they still maintain no Nonsense to so many bullshit s

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by LocalStandard1(m): 7:31pm On Feb 13, 2023
Kobojunkie:
My intentions, made clear by the fact that I chose there to ask a question, is to understand your argument as it seems your major belief is that a family is a marriage and when divorce happens, the family itself collapses, posing a risk to society itself? Is this correct? undecided
You disagree with everything under the sun, Miss I-definitely-know-it-all!

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Hassanmaye(m): 7:37pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:


And you don finally bring your leg out. Single parenthood doesn't need your defense but here we are.

It is false equivalence to equate spousal abandonment of the past to the willful separation of the present. If we were go back statistics, the number of people raised in single parent before the 2000s was only a minute fraction of the society. A very tiny fraction when compared to monogamists and polygamists.

So if it was prevalent your community, I empathize with you but I cannot relate. Where I grew up and the family I came from, I can trace my linage back 6 generations and I know where my great grandfather is buried. He died in 1965. It's embossed on his tomb.

The explosion in willful single motherhood began in the 2000s and has further gone on. Young men are picking up baby mama culture and young ladies are joining the bandwagon, having multiple children from different men.

What makes it worse is that we do not even have a welfare system to look after these single parent families like they do in the USA.

Children in single parent homes turn out worse. I see it everywhere around now. Zero parental control, zero discipline, zero comportment.

These are the adults of tomorrow. Here you are defending the slide into degeneracy. Continue.
Stop explaining to the fool, most of this children turned to cultists and unknown gunmen let him raise his single children too that will burn him alive

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by cococandy(f): 7:42pm On Feb 13, 2023
Marriage doesn’t benefit men. Women are just entitled leeches who are looking for who to love, provide care for, contribute financially to, perform eternal acts of service to etc. Don’t tell us we need to preserve this institution that doesn’t serve me. At all. Preserve the family ke?

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by LocalStandard1(m): 7:43pm On Feb 13, 2023
atheistandproud:


I'm not a psychologist but I know how to to read the room. I understand how a lot of how many Nigerians argue. I also know how women also argue.

For most people, it's not about what message is being passed across. It's about how they feel. So when someone is deliberately trying to put words in your mouth, it's not that difficult to see where they're headed.

Back to the typical Nairaland style of argument, they'll pick the area of the message that touches them, twist it out of proportion and then corner the argument that way. If you allow yourself to be sucked out of your message, soon you'll find yourself trapped in an area that you didn't even write.

If the shoe does not fit, then they won't come after you.

If you notice, she kept sidestepping and conveniently ignoring all the other reasons presented as well as the evidence which she herself requested for.

When it comes to Homosexuality and Transgenderism, woke people will quote science and peered review journals stating that we have 1000+ genders. When it comes to the adverse effects of single mother homes on young children, the defenders of single motherhood will bury their heads in the sand. Pretending not to see the science or the peer reviewed journals.

The subset of single mothers that are quickly rising are also turning out to be one of the most vocal. I have a nurse friend in her late 30s/early 40s who is looking to have a child out of wedlock to raise by herself. I have another teacher acquaintance in her late 20s who never wants to get married but wants two children by the time she is 40. Both are very strong feminists as well as being highly educated. When I present the studies about single parent homes to them, they switch up on me to make me look like the bad guy. I know some stupid guy somewhere will impregnate them for free and they'll discard him.

Seeing how she switched from divorce to single motherhood gave the game away. When she began comparing spousal abandonment to deliberate babymama hood, I knew she had no intention to have a honest conversation. I clocked out. Reading the links that she sent me only served to strengthen my resolve.

My message was simple: Destroying a family, destroys our society. Many of the damaged young people below 25 were raised in families with absentee parents. Even in 2 parent homes where one or both parents are absent, the children turn out badly. I simply outlined why the family unit is breaking down and why the broken products of these marriages will go on to break their own children.

She took it and spun it around to be a witch-hunt, shaming and scapegoating of single mothers. Something which I didn't have in mind at all.

Sorry for quoting everything but I have to.

Never you answer that lady! She knows absolutely nothing about live just extremely woke garbage which she spew on a steady.

What you wrote here is absolutely true. I am a leaving breathing experiment.

Sometimes I thank God for not letting me meet my mother alive I would have made sure she regretted having outside wedlock. It is lonely and it is painful. I am living it!

Every child must have the privilege of knowing his father, every child must have the opportunity of being born and grow in a standard home. Selfish, self-centered generation of today like that lady will disagree.

That's wickedness! Take it from someone living the experience.

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Re: The Collapse Of Family Is The Collapse Of Society by Hassanmaye(m): 7:45pm On Feb 13, 2023
DonroxyII:
All the Odds established are all Effect of Globalisation and Everything is in Order for there is no any cause of alarm to me ....

These are all as a result of Global Cultural Clashes and Cultural Wars going on ....

In this dispensation Many People would die due to lack of preparation and inability to respond to contemporary Challenges of the world because the tools to respond is not in the Gearbox(Mental Faculty) of Many People ..

Nevertheless, The Next Generations of Humanbeing Would Come Prepared as you can see Many Children are Born Woke .....

Globalisation is the Peak of Human Civilisations then the dust would settle with Globalised Laws and Norms then Families would Be Settled and Societies is Settled...

Incidence of BabyMama would be Abolished because the cost of Babymama would be higher than the cost of Marriage while Divorce would be stringent because the cost of Divorce would be higher than the cost of marriage..

Abandon your responsibilities and go to Jail as a Man or Woman ...

You can't born more than your income bracket. Children would be on Allocation based on Income Bracket not Mere discretion...

Polygamy would be Promoted based on Income Bracket same with Polyhandry all based on Income Bracket ....

Eggs would be freezed until couples are ready for fertilisation...

The World would be ruled by Sciences not mere Spiritualism



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