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LottiOk:
Same here. It was d likes of hpefulLandlord,Lordreed, knownunknown, jaephoniex, manymann etcdat helped me solidify my resolve in Atheism ever since I stumbled upon NL Religious section in 2020.

D way dey logically dymystified d buybull & other religious book, made me bold enough 2 step out of d closet & proudly declear my unbelief & liberation from reigious slavery. because of those guys, I never miss NL religion section, always liking dia comments cos it's always makes sense & so refreshingly enlightening.

Bro I love what u r doing & even doe @thesourcere is trying 2 b negative, don't stop. We need more of our voices to b heard so we won't let our kids grow up in a make belief world like we did.

I'm not much of a writer but his know I'm following u & dis thread & am loving how u r disgracing that fanatic dliespeaks. as I can already see, he has lost d argument & imploying insults & imaginary victory to himself. He's not worth anyone's time but if I feel I can put him permanently in his place den, throw down d gauntlet & show him no mercy just like his evil imaginary sky daddy does.

Thank you for been Awesome , really hope you have an amazing evening

FRANCISTOWN:
... In philosophy (I do not claim an authority in this body of diverse knowledge) philosophy has it that natural law is a system of right or justice held to be common to all humans and derived from nature rather than from the rules of society, or positive law.

When, You go to philosophy to look for Laws? if you see a person going to plank market to look for a novel, would you not call him mad?

FRANCISTOWN:
I was alive during Ex-President Umar Musa Yar'adua (of blessed memory) government and still alive.
Nonetheless , I still can't give a report about his government in present perfect tenses

That would be your fault because last Saturday's election report was given in present tense by those present.

"Peter Obi Wins Lagos State by bobobenz: 10:39am On Feb 27
Peter Obi, the presidential candidate of the Labour Party (LP), has won the presidential election in Lagos state.

He defeated Bola Tinubu, the All Progressives Congress (APC) standard bearer, after the votes were calculated from all the 20 LGAs in the state.

Tinubu is a former Lagos governor and the state is historically his stronghold.APC: 572, 606"

NO PAST TENSE AT ALL IN THE REPORT!

FRANCISTOWN:
Nothing about God has ever been true, show me any real life thing that can prove me otherwise.

You did not create yourself nor this House called world yet you call God a Liar.

Dtruthspeaker:
Here comes a devil who says thathouseboys/girls, cleaners, personal assistants should not obey their bosses and employers.

Lol. When did I say that?

Dtruthspeaker:
Don't bother, you are already useless, There is nothing redeemable not repairable in you or on you, for you are already blind and deaf.

… and this is the guy that said we should show evidence of yahweh's falsehood? Lol

Dtruthspeaker:
Yet no matter how many times we have crossed words you could not point out where I lied, nor could you ever give a reasonable and valid counter.

I've pointed out 3 places on this thread.

Dtruthspeaker:
As I always tell you people, you people were already atheists even before you went to church and became a churchgoer.

Nopity Nope. We even had faith in the imaginary God more than you could imagine

Dtruthspeaker:
You never knew God nor ever wanted Him.

We wanted him when we didn't know him.
We stopped wanting him when we knew the ideology behind him

Dtruthspeaker:
You all treated God exactly how you treat people especially bitches. You al want the pussy but you don't want the girl.

Let's not talk dirty, let's maintain the purpose of this thread.

Dtruthspeaker:
in God's case, you can not get anything from Him, if you do not have a relationship with Him.

What can he possibly do? What has he done for you, what do you have that somebody else doesn't have and even more? You've got 3legs? We don't want nothing from fairies.

Dtruthspeaker:
But exactly how you bad mouth a girl who rejects you, is how you sons of devils bad mouth God only to teal eyes that unlike a girl,

Well, I don't follow girls around.i chase my dreams 'cause my life is dependent on it.

Dtruthspeaker:
God can always always deal with you, whenever He is ready to.

How are you so sure that I cant always deal with him, by exposing that he isn't real?

Dtruthspeaker:
So you are all just here making noise and talking thrash because God has not yet turned to face you as He did to Pharoah after 400 years of runny mouth.[/qoute]
What proof do you have that all those things truly happened? By the way, 400 years is a whole lot of years, what will he be doing till then. Prolly hitting the gym and building some flesh

[quote author=Dtruthspeaker post=121466336]And here is your man employing insults even before we came, but as usual with you unjust and unfair devils, you did not talk about it.

I apologise if you took it as insult, but you haven't proven me wrong

TheSourcerer:
I'll take a wide guess , you are angered by the way the system is ? The way our children would still be taught the miracles of Jesus today and the amount of people who will get converted tomorrow, the next lol forever?
We can really do little or nothing to change the Nigerian religious status Quo , well I tried won some lost most so yeah sitting back and sipping my white wine , it's sad what the European used religion do my people but yeah it is what it is
There's one here still defending the Religion like a blind deaf mouse lol

You are definitely right, I just wish there can be schools for atheists in Nigeria. But that will take a while, well I'll be sure to train my children well. Again, you are sipping your white wine

Aemmyjah:
Only a fool will tell you the universe emerged by itself or Life came by itself

. See something here!

Aemmyjah:
Only a fool will tell you the universe emerged by itself or Life came by itself

You guys shouldn't kill me with laughter.I don't wanna use the word that you used up there. But only a man who has completely lost his sense of reasoning will believe that a sky daddy created the whole world in 6 days and rested on the seventh day without knowing what he did on the 9th/10th and 11th day up till this day. If the universe couldn't emerge by itself then your God likewise could not have emerged by himself. Ghaskia!

Kobojunkie:
Yes, it does, particularly where scripture it concerned.

So what are you awaiting? Bring the other meaning let's see

FRANCISTOWN:
You guys shouldn't kill me with laughter.I don't wanna use the word that you used up there. But only a man who has completely lost his sense of reasoning will believe that a sky daddy created the whole world in 6 days and rested on the seventh day without knowing what he did on the 9th/10th and 11th day up till this day. If the universe couldn't emerge by itself then your God likewise could not have emerged by himself. Ghaskia!

See reasoning
Where do you get that reasoning from? You have drank weed
Convince us that life is a result of blind chance

jaephoenix:
You are one hell of a guy. This guy DTruthSpeaker doesn't abide by the laws of logic, science or truth. He creates his realities and truth as he chooses, even if they run afoul of his holy book

Lol, I know him well now, him and kobojunkie...They are both cruise

jaephoenix:
Lol. Your faith is based on ignorance, in the first place

Based on conviction
Yours is on speculation
Exercise patience til they come up with how man came to be, why man is here and where he is going

These are important questions that science and philosophy can NEVER answer but thankfully, the source of life has provided answers to life big questions. The blind cannot see though they have eyes

jaephoenix:
Wrong environment, and certainly wrong timing,bro. Critical reasoning is a taboo in this neck of the woods. Moreso, the capacity to reason that deep is even lacking, worsened by the religious fanaticity

Hmmm
. This is true, I also believe poverty and level of civilisation is a major detriment. People are looking for one powerful inexistent being to magically raise them out of poverty, so it's truly hard

FRANCISTOWN:
You are definitely right, I just wish there can be schools for atheists in Nigeria. But that will take a while, well I'll be sure to train my children well. Again, you are sipping your white wine

Ah yes the white wine , Wouldn't mind having you on mail here text Me anytime Darnleypedro22@gmail.com

FRANCISTOWN:
I've said it before, I do not like to go twice.
Please study the above bible verses that I explained earlier in Exodus and Leviticus and Jeremiah... Thanks

At least you have now abandoned the Ephesians and Phil, you raised

So Exodus and Leviticus.
The whole world practiced slavery and so they had already taken slaves and used to having slaves before God came to meet them exactly as Africa was already used to having more than one wife before God was introduced to us and now having one wife is part of our living.

So this is God laying the first form of attack against slavery BY RELEASING ALL SLAVES WHO HAVE BEEN TAKEN BEFORE HIS COMING, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE TIME OF THE JUDGES, YOU DO NOT SEE ANY SLAVE AROUND, ONLY CONTRACTS OF SERVICE, HENCE SERVANTS LIKE PUBLIC SERVANTS.

On Jeremiah i stand corrected, Isreal like the world never always obey God, but you still prove that God loves the release of slaves in that it is always "To the Hebrew first"

Romans 1:16; Luke 24:47; Romans 2:9.

Everything whether good or bad first starts with the Hebrews first..

All extensively dealt with in my thread

https://www.nairaland.com/7593172/eternal-synagogue-civilized-atheist-movement#121400778

jaephoenix:
We(specifically LordReed and i)have pointed out this fact to him on 2 threads but like I stated earlier, DTruthSpeaker creates his own truths and realities, and doesn't give a fvck if it runs contrary to yahwehs scrapbook

Lol, This is very correct
There is a name they call that state of mental attitude in psychology. But let's not sound offensive

jaephoenix:
This dude isn't interested in Bible verses, don't you gerrit?
He has his own truths spun on the go as he rolls on

I'm just getting it now. Thanks for the enlightenment

TheSourcerer:
yeah and sadly Majority of them are superstitious fetishism rules the day and or night ,the "really intelligent " ones are religious , we are the tiny 0.1 percent so yeah it's a special deal . Imagine believing bullets could be turned into water because virgins were sacrificed to iyemoja before the British came and they only lost around 30 men compared to the 5000 Ijebu warriors who literally dropped like flies , this was in a letter sent to England , its so deep rooted fetishism and superstition already in the fabric of our culture .

Whaaaaat? Bullets could turn to water? If this's possible , Nigeria will have the most formidable military force. Truly these people's brain reason "anticlockwisely"

FRANCISTOWN:
..Nopity Nope. We even had faith in the imaginary God more than you could imagine

We wanted him when we didn't know him.
We stopped wanting him when we knew the ideology behind him

Today's noisemakers were your yesterday you, You did exactly what they have always done for centuries, which is make noise with prayer, cram the Bible, preach to would be yous, make your pastor and church happy, and sit back and wait for God.

In the end all was vanity. No God, No Answered requests, nothing but your fruitless lives.

FRANCISTOWN:
If the moon and the stars don't do that, what does then? Maybe God hung a huge florescent in the sky. grin

See I said moonless night yet you still put the moon. Also, every sees that a dying torch light is still brighter than the light from the stars to bright up a village on a moonless night, not to talk of a night when the fluffy clouds cover the sky and no star, yet we can still see the shapes of houses and trees in the village, so you have no thing.

jaephoenix:
There's no need. Even the ones we've been telling you here have been ignored by you

Of course why would I not ignore you when you say that I should fetch water with a fork!

FRANCISTOWN:
Have you apologized to the flying spaghetti monster?

Invalid! Unlawful Switching of the burden of proof and Change of Post
No one said anything about spaghetti monster.

Meaning you can not counter.

FRANCISTOWN:
Our parents do not call themselves omnibenevolents. In that case my parents and your God are on the same level when it comes to benevolence and mercy.

Invalid! Change of Post! No one said anything about benevolence and omnibenevolence. Another proof you can not counter.

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol, do you care to have a relationship with Krishna or Allah? You don't believe they exist if I might presume.

Invalid! Unlawful Switching of the burden of proof. Neither have I raised a thread complaining about Krishna and Allah.

So, yet again, you have no counter to make.

FRANCISTOWN:
You call it blasphemes , I call it the truth. Think about it, you can't see electricity, but put your hand in a power outlet when the switch is on and you'll have a change of mind. No long thing, let your God prove himself, stop helping him.

Like you would go to a meeting of mannequins to prove yourself to them, even children's open day in school, you people do not go saying "you don't have any thing to prove", you now expect God would prove Himself to you living plastacines.

FRANCISTOWN:
We didn't raise complaints sir. We did rebuting and disproving..lol. Have you seen anywhere on this thread where anyone said "Why didn't God do this for me?" Or "why did he allow this".

You people do not real eyes that this is a written debate and we can see and hear your shouts of complaint and easily show where you are making noises complaining. I even showed it then.

FRANCISTOWN:
"Merciful God" killed the Egyptian's first child of every household after he had hardened Pharoah's heart..
Someone dies of hunger every 4 seconds, earthquakes, famine e.t.c, innocent children are being molested....

You have nothing.

FRANCISTOWN:
If God truly exist, we are in soup. Only the jews will be in the world, the rest of us will be dealt with like those Egyptians and the rests. Thankful he exists only in books.

You have already said it "If God truly exist, you are in soup".

So it's a case of wait and see and unfortunately for you people, God said there would be hardness of buying and selling, before His Coming, and now Nigeria has undisputably experienced it, so you guys are already in hot trouble, and obviously, He would soon be Here.

So we wait and we shall see.

jaephoenix:
1. Is the Bible written in present continuous term?
2. When someone writes his own biography, it becomes an autobiography. Maybe its a strange word, but its in the dictionary

When someone writes his own biography they say it is called an Autobiography

And a person is always present when he writes his own Autiobiography

And it must be in present tenses which when a reader reads it , it is a present continuous tense.

FRANCISTOWN:
This was your initial post, you used the word "all" not "some"

Now that we showed you what your own Bible says, you said some . Anything else up your sleeve?

Is this not madness that you join 2 different statements covering 2 different issues to comment on it?

Proof of mad desperation!

U had me all in stiches with dat election prophecy las las dia almighty, ominikwnoest god still disappointed dem (yet again) d saddest part is 2moro dey'll b in its shrines (churches) thankning it 4 it's "mysterious ways" of not answering dia fasting & prayers

FRANCISTOWN:
Lol! I have a video on my phone.. you'll almost choke to death when seeing it. Let's not talk about many of their fake prophecies. They asked their members to fast and pray for this just concluded election because they wanted a particular candidate to emerge as the winner reason that his name is in the Bible. Well, lemme hold it here as not to derail the purpose of this thread

FRANCISTOWN:
So what are you awaiting? Bring the other meaning let's see

You need to read the book. Most of you never actually read the book for yourselves. No, you instead subsisted then, and now, on the narratives fed to you by your many pastors and mogs while under their spell. Even long after supposedly breaking away from the spell that is religion, the majority of you on here who claim to be atheists continue to repeat the very same doctrines and delusions out of ignorance. Why? Aren't you supposed to be enlightened then?

The book clearly explains the various dimensions that exist to God's mercy, His omnipotence, etc. Yes, there are dimensions to these things in scripture. You actually need to spend some time reading it to realize it for yourself. At least so you can sound less ignorant than the religious folks you think yourselves better than.

jaephoenix:
Lol. I understand you but this noble venture may work, maybe 50 to 100 years from now, and not in the immediate future. Just by telling someone you're an atheist, you're public enemy number one. My wife(a nominal christian) begged me not to argue with Christians again. My former hospital director(a christian) during a post said it doesn't employ atheists and would fire any, not knowing I'm one. He doesn't mind Muslims. I left the place quietly after. The animosity and hate you'll cop would make your life unbearable. Further up north, they'll murder you real quick, for your troubles. In fact, when a Muslim extremist is to choose between killing an atheist or Christian, he'll go for the former first, before the later.
So we're endangered species

this is what scares me(fact that someone could actually get killed for something as stupid as fairytale believes)but also it sheds light on the mechanism and psychology behind most religions and how they have been designed from the get go

They have an hive mentality sorta and if you happen to stand out,they won't be at peace until you are dead or gone far away from them.
Religion makes good people do bad things and they would even be able to justify it.

To me all these obviously shows that men created god/gods and not the other way round,they protect their individual gods from criticism,they speak for their gods and even take revenge on its behalf,they literally do everything for their gods but still claim these gods are "powerful" lol quite ironic.


One of the reasons I enjoy my career path is that even if I boldly come out as an atheist tomorrow it won't affect my finance but surely ill lose friends and maybe family but my fiance no fit shake because I work from home and I don't have a boss and I don't need clients.

TheSourcerer:
yeah now imagine going to go meet these grass eating Christians there is no God lol it will be mind blowing literally and figuratively, you're female right? I'm actually impressed

No o.. I'm a man , with beard beards..lol

jaephoenix:
Lol. I understand you but this noble venture may work, maybe 50 to 100 years from now, and not in the immediate future. Just by telling someone you're an atheist, you're public enemy number one. My wife(a nominal christian) begged me not to argue with Christians again. My former hospital director(a christian) during a post said it doesn't employ atheists and would fire any, not knowing I'm one. He doesn't mind Muslims. I left the place quietly after. The animosity and hate you'll cop would make your life unbearable. Further up north, they'll murder you real quick, for your troubles. In fact, when a Muslim extremist is to choose between killing an atheist or Christian, he'll go for the former first, before the later.
So we're endangered species

I swr, right! That was some really ass truth you've said. They've been gaslighted into believing that anyone who is not a theist is an automatic spawn of Satan. Well, whether a spawn of God, or spawn of Satan, neither of them exists so we can't be bothered. You don't wanna know how much I hide my atheism, these guys can assassinate an atheist if they knew any face to face. As you've said up there, it may take some years, but we'll keep pushing.

Dtruthspeaker:
When, You go to philosophy to look for Laws? if you see a person going to plank market to look for a novel, would you not call him mad?

I bet you thought I was joking when I said I was going to make you run out of this thread.
The Natural law only exist in philosophy, just like the law of hard determinism. You can't find these laws in any other field just like the laws of gravitation and laws of motion exist only in the field of physics. If anyone needed the law of quantum equilibrium, the person should be wise enough to look into the field of
Quantum mechanics, anyone who looks for the law of motion outside the field of physics needs an urgent mental evaluation.

So your natural law was self derived or adulterated and is hereby rejected. NATURAL LAW belongs to the field of philosophy
I just burnt you

Dtruthspeaker:
That would be your fault because last Saturday's election report was given in present tense by those present.

"Peter Obi Wins Lagos State by bobobenz: 10:39am On Feb 27
Peter Obi, the presidential candidate of the Labour Party (LP), has won the presidential election in Lagos state.

He defeated Bola Tinubu, the All Progressives Congress (APC) standard bearer, after the votes were calculated from all the 20 LGAs in the state.

Tinubu is a former Lagos governor and the state is historically his stronghold.APC: 572, 606"

NO PAST TENSE AT ALL IN THE REPORT!

Don't worry we got you. What you posted up there is a news report which contains several present perfect statements.
I'll take my time to take you back to JSS1 english curriculum. A present perfect statement is a state of what just happened. For instance "Obi has won the Election" is a present perfect statement of what just happened right then. Anyone who reports the election now can't use that statement again. It was only used then because that was what just happened at that time. When you go out and say "Tinubu has won the election", people will be like "we already knew". So that statement was only useful then because it was at that moment.
Likewise when you say "Tinubu wins the just concluded election " . Think about it, how did that sound even to your hearing?.

And like the wrong definition that you gave in your earlier post. The Bible was not written in present continuous tenses. It was written in past, past perfect, past continuous and varieties.

Dtruthspeaker:
Anyone who understands natural law would know that it is only a Person who was present at a particular time in view who gives a report in a present continuous tense.

A present continuous statement example : I am working my way to progress (The modal/ auxiliary verb is present and the main verb always have the -ing)

So tell me where you can see a statement such as that in the Bible. Gen never said " In the beginning, God is creating heaven and Earth" The author use "created" which is clearly a report of what happened.

So I just murdered your point. My glock is loaded. Bring it on !

Dtruthspeaker:
You did not create yourself nor this House called world yet you call God a Liar.

When did I tell you that I created myself? My parents created me, and I'm a product of continuous evolution. Did God tell you he created me? Did God tell you he created the world? Where is the proof that he created me?

Aemmyjah:
See reasoning
Where do you get that reasoning from? You have drank weed
Convince us that life is a result of blind chance

Rather you should be the one to convince us that this world that we can both see where some people have so much food that they throw out and some die of hunger, where floodings and earthquakes show people pepper, where children are born with one impediment or more is a product of an intelligent design.

FRANCISTOWN:
No o.. I'm a man , with beard beards..lol

#BeardGang Na so blood Brother