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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 1:58pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
FxMasterz: The GIBBERISH of Nicene 326AD. Not holy scriptures. Whereas your Trinitarian Amplified Bible Genesis 16:7 & Malachi 3:3 PROVEN Jesus Christ is angel of Jehovah (the Lord).Oga, check the screenshot. God Almighty says Jesus Christ is His Servant, Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13.
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:04pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
FxMasterz:Jesus doctrine: Husband and wife are one. Matt19:4-5. Jesus doctrine: The God his Father is the head of Jesus, John 14:28, John 7:16. 1 Corinthians 11:3. Jesus doctrine: Jesus, his God & the disciples are one. John 17:21-22. 1 Corinthians 3:5-8, Paul and Apollos are one. = John 10:30.John 1 7:21-22= 1 Corinthians 3:5-8 |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by FxMasterz: 2:11pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Please go and sit down. I have no discourse to make with you. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:17pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
FxMasterz: Oga, the holy scriptures will answer you.... The original Greek lexicon of 1 Timothy 3:16 PROVEN your Trinitarian mentors were DUBIOUS to add Theos (God) which is NOT in the Greek manuscript. Screenshot PROVEN evidence. The correct rendition: He who was manifest in the flesh" Another Trinitarian forgery adding 'human' @ Colossians 2:9. Bill Mounce a well known Trinitarian rejected your claim on Colossians 2:9. Screenshot. The works of Colossians addressed the resurrected Jesus Christ who is a life giving spirit in heaven where Jesus had the fullness of divine nature. John 17:4-5. 1 Corinthians 15:45,50. Heaven is not meant for flesh and blood. Truth of the holy Scriptures expoused.
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:23pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
FxMasterz: Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13,God Almighty says Jesus is his servant. Oga , delete am from your Bible. Oga, go and challenge your fellow Trinitarians, the Amplified Bible translators, Genesis 16:7. Nah dem make you vex. Kpele.  |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 2:31pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
tctrills: Exodus 6:3 & Acts 3:13 , Jehovah God and His Servants in your Bible PROVEN Tctrill is LYING. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:44pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Exodus 6.3 actually proved Jesus Christ is Jehovah and Acts 3.13 says nothing about Jehovah 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. In this verse we learn that Jehovah is not the same as God Almighty. Jehovah only acted in the name of God Almighty. Acts 3.13 13 Has nothing to do with the topic The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:48pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:No please learn to read And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. Jesus Christ (Jehovah) tells Moses that he had acted in the name of the Almighty and not in his own name Jehovah. The verse tells that they were 2 different people, Jehovah and God Almighty. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:52pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:These verses don't say anything close to what you claim. Please copy and paste for the world to see your dishonesty. You claim Moses is a godlike deity but we both know that is nonsense. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:53pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Please copy and paste. And yes there are thousands of bibles and I can qoute other versions that reflect my angle so what's your point? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:55pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:So your point is that the moment you perform magic, you become a deity right? There is this man who can hold his breath in water for hours, is he also a Godlike deity? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:57pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:There are thousand bible versions so why produce one or2 that suit you. Please produce all the versions them we can compare. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:59pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:How do you know no one has ever given a commandment to Jehovah. His father has given commandments to him. And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 5:59pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Jehovah is the son but yes he is the Everlasting Father. The problem with you guys is that you choose the verses to believe in and those to disbelieve. Your bible called Jesus Christ the Everlasting Father and it also called him the Son of God so why are you acting confused? And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 6:28pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
FxMasterz:I Agree with you that Jesus Christ is God but definitely not the same person as his father. Being one could mean a few different things |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 8:24pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
tctrills: Exodus 6:3, Oga what is his Almighty God's name? Acts3:13,Oga, what is his Son's name? You are confused by Trinity. tctrills: "He will be called "Everlasting Father" ,is that expression in your Bible? Do you understand that sentence in Isaiah 9:6? Is Jesus called "Everlasting Father" in the garden of Eden? Oga, when ? tctrills: "Your Trinitarian mentors DUBIOUSLY inserted "God" into 1 Timothy 3 :16, you are here deluding yourself with forgery of holy scriptures. The screenshot evidence is on this very thread posted today afternoon. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 8:30pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
tctrills: Isaiah 6:8 Jehovah God said: "Who will I send"? John 3:16 "God sent His only begotten son". John 7:16, "the doctrine I teach belongs to Him that sent me" Oga, please repent. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:01pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:07pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
[quote author=Janosky post=121639547] Exodus 6:3, Oga what is his Almighty God's name? Acts3:13,Oga, what is his Son's name? You are confused by Trinity. The son's name is Jehovah. I am sure you can read but let me explain it to you just in case. So let's assume my first name is John and my surname is Paul and you happen to know me as Paul. Then I say to you, you know me by my father's name but by my own name you know me not. Simple English. "He will be called "Everlasting Father" ,is that expression in your Bible? Do you understand that sentence in Isaiah 9:6? Is Jesus called "Everlasting Father" in the garden of Eden? Oga, when ? I don't understand your point here please explain better "[b]Your Trinitarian mentors DUBIOUSLY inserted "God" into 1 Timothy 3 :16, you are here deluding yourself with forgery of holy scriptures. The screenshot evidence is on this very thread posted today afternoon. [/b] No one can forge the scriptures. They are there for all to see. Everything I ever said to you were written by prophets and apostles. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 9:12pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
tctrills: John 1:1,"the word was divine" Edgar Goodspeed , renowned Bible translator ,is Trinitarian. John 1:1, the word was a god". Emphatic Diaglott. Benjamin Franklin is not a Jehovah's witness. Do you want more? In your own Bible the God Almighty is ho Theos. John 14:1. John 1:1. Whereas when Theos is without Greek 3588 definite article (the),an indefinite article ('a') is placed before Theos because that Theos in that verse is not the God Almighty. For instance, Acts 12:22-23, the first Theos (verse 22) is a being ('a god) not the God Almighty but the Theos in verse 23 is ho Theos the God Almighty. Acts 28:6 he was Theos (a god) because that being is not the God Almighty. At John 1:1, Christendom TWISTED & CHANGED this simple principle (screenshot). That principle agrees with John 14:28,Acts 3:13 & Exodus 6:3.
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| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:20pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:This is the most stupid argument you have made since I ever met you. What if I bring out 5 bible versions that agree with my points would you agree that I am correct? Of course I know some bible versions agree with you so what's your point? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:25pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Now to show how foolish your argument is. 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (EVM version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (ASV version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (ABCE version) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.(CSB version) Do you now see why your argument makes no sense? |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:27pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:On the side note, Remember I taught you that Thomas called Jesus Christ his Lord and God. He was not the first to do so. Even David in the old testament called Jesus Christ his Lord. How come Jesus |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:31pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Isaiah 43:11 11 I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. Titus 2:13 13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; Jehovah is the Savoir of the world. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:36pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:The word was never devine. Just because you and a few others say it was devine does not make it so. Now read Zechariah 12.10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by Janosky: 9:41pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
tctrills: The God ( ho Theos), with definite article)Exodus 6:3, John 1:1 , John 14:1 ,Deuteronomy 10:17. The second usage of Theos with indefinite article (a) is "a god" @ John 1:1, Acts 12:22-23. Acts 28:6. Oga don't expose your folly again |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:44pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Argue with scholars now The Greek Article Edit The Greek article is often translated the, which is the English definite article, but it can have a range of meanings that can be quite different from those found in English, and require context to interpret.[25] Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article like the English word a, and nominatives without articles also have a range of meanings that require context to interpret. Colwell's Rule Edit In interpreting this verse, Colwell's rule should be taken into consideration, which says that a definite predicate which is before the verb "to be" usually does not have the definite article. Ernest Cadman Colwell writes: The opening verse of John’s Gospel contains one of the many passages where this rule suggests the translation of a predicate as a definite noun. Καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος [Kaì theòs ên ho lógos] looks much more like "And the Word was God" than "And the Word was divine" when viewed with reference to this rule. The absence of the article does not make the predicate indefinite or qualitative when it precedes the verb, it is indefinite in this position only when the context demands it. The context makes no such demand in the Gospel of John, for this statement cannot be regarded as strange in the prologue of the gospel which reaches its climax in the confession of Thomas [Footnote: John 20,28]."[26] Jason David BeDuhn (Professor of Religious Studies at Northern Arizona University) criticizes Colwell's Rule as methodologically unsound and "not a valid rule of Greek grammar."[27] |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 9:59pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:The problem with you is that your knowledge is very onesided. There are hundreds of divided scholars on both sides. But word for word, John 1.1 translates as "God was the word." Be vast in your study. That's the way to grow. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 10:06pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Jehovah is the king of Israel Isaiah 44:6 6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Jesus Christ is the king of Israel Matthew 2:2 2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 10:15pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Malachi's testimony that Jesus Christ is Jehovah 3 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the Lord of hosts. Read Isaiah too Isaiah 40:3 3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for our God. Jesus Christ was the God/Jehovah to the prophets of old |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 10:22pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:Mark 2:28 Jesus Christ is Lord of the Sabbath. It was he that established the sabbath. |
| Re: Jesus Christ Is God by tctrills: 10:27pm On Mar 10, 2023 |
Janosky:David prophecies of Jehovah/Jesus Christ Psalm 107:23-30 They that go down to the sea in ships, That do business in great waters; These see the works of the LORD, And his wonders in the deep. For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, Which lifteth up the waves thereof. They mount up to the heaven, they go down again to the depths: Their soul is melted because of trouble. They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, And are at their wits' end. Then they cry unto the LORD in their trouble, And he bringeth them out of their distresses. He maketh the storm a calm, So that the waves thereof are still. Then are they glad because they be quiet; So he bringeth them unto their desired haven. Psalm 89:8-9 KJV O LORD God of hosts, who is a strong LORD like unto thee? Or to thy faithfulness round about thee? Thou rulest the raging of the sea: When the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. Compare to Mark 4:39–41 |
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