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Kobojunkie:
Your problem is in assuming you have here been asking straight forward questions to begin with.

You are told a law is part of a constitution given to a nation, yet you continue to inquire whether the law the law valid or not. Why??

You ask me to explain Hebrews 2 vs 7 as if the intentions of the author where not made clear right there in the context and I ask you why?

HacheNoire:
1. You don’t want to quote the New Testament? lol…
2. Cos that’s the only way you can make a good a Biblical point.

3. Okay, Let me agree with you that law was made for a Nation.Is tithing also part of the law made for only Israelites?

Kobojunkie:
1. Quote the New Testament why? For what reason?

2. You are yourself not making any sense so why do I need to quote anything in response to any of what you have put forth so far?

3. Are you seriously asking me yet another inane question?

If you don't understand what I mean by the Old Covenant Law of Moses being made for the People of Israel, ask and I will explain this so that what is written can maybe begin to make sense to you too.

HacheNoire:
It’s always funny when you try to corner it. That’s I said the. I le is one of the most controversial book. A in Old Testament, and B in New Testament.

Even celestial will make reference to the Old Testament about their spiritual practices and you will find it there.

But a Pentecostal will tell you it’s no longer valid. All in same book

Kobojunkie:
He is wrong though!

When Jesus Christ said, " by their fruits you shall know them..", He meant nothing about judging people by appearances so why would you consider Jesus Christ to have been wrong about how to know those who belong to Him from those who don't? I mean Jesus Christ instructed His followers never to judge others by appearances, commanding instead they judge others righteously - Matthew 7 vs 1 - 6 - and we know the standard of righteousness is Jesus Christ, God's own New Covenant agreement and Law in the Kingdom of God.

2. I don't need to "meditate deeply" about what Jesus Christ meant when He said, " by their fruits, you shall know them....". This is because the same Jesus Christ went further to explain that those who belong to Him are those who Trust and Obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 25 - and in John 15 vs 14, Jesus Christ declared that those who are His friends are those who do as He asks insinuating that His.enemies, those who don't belong to Him, are those who don't do as He asks .i.e. those who refuse to obey His teachings and commandments.

3. The fruits Jesus Christ spoke of are fruits born of obedience of His teachings and commandments (good) and those born of disobedience of His teachings and commandments (sin). This is found right there in the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ - contained in the 4 gospels

4. Do you know that a sinner cannot feign to have God's kind of goodness? Pay attention to Jesus Christ's teachings on this to you...
It is impossible to fake God's righteousness. No sinner can do that.... that is what Jesus Christ is telling you in the passage above..

And the same Jesus Christ warned you against judging people by appearances in Matthew 7 vs 1 - 7. So obviously, anyone who judges by appearances produces fruits of disobedience and so is not himself of God.

ChocolateWine:
1. Lol...you respond with all seriousness as if you know what you're saying.

2. So what happens to Abraham, David, Daniel even Moses himself and all the faithful men of the old covenant who were also sinners?

3. The book of Romans was written to the congregations in Rome. Rome is a non-Jewish territory. Infact Jews were banned from Rome at a certain period during Paul's time. The bible in Acts 2:10 shows that a few Jewish Christians were in Rome, that it wasn't entirely non-Jewish Christians. Paul himself was a Roman who took the lead in persecuting Jews not only in Rome but throughout Judea and Jerusalem.

The entire book of Romans chapter 6 that mentions the, "the wages of sin is death" clearly pointed out that anyone not following Jesus was going to die. Now tell me where in that chapter that alludes that it was primarily focused on or alluding to the Jews when death of Jesus and redemption from sin was mentioned.

The same comparison was drawn in the same Romans for those who are not willing to accept the grace of Jesus death where,

4. All of Matthew chapter 25 is not a parable?

1. So do you think we should continue sinning so that God will give us more and more grace?
2 Of course not! Our old sinful life ended. It’s dead. So how can we continue living in sin?
3 Did you forget that all of us became part of Christ Jesus when we were baptized? In our baptism we shared in his death.
4 So when we were baptized, we were buried with Christ and took part in his death. And just as Christ was raised from death by the wonderful power of the Father, so we can now live a new life.- Romans 6 vs 1 - 4

TenQ:
I'm not surprised you didn't read my last post. Isn't there a difference between God's Creation and God's Children?

Some people desire a soft fluffy Teddy Bear kind of God, unfortunately He isn't.

Rev 20:11:
"And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them."


After seeing your definition of "Dead"... I have no point to argue no more.
Your definition is perfectly crafted to fit in your strand of argument or perhaps is defined based "On Your Own" understanding of the word "Dead".....

You first said spiritual death doesn't exist. I've shown you with scriptures if you cared to read.

Spirits don't ever CEASE to exist. They are CUT OFF (second Death).
You are the one misunderstanding the nature of death. If you had read to understand, you would have known.

Exactly why Satan and his hosts (who are also spirits) are thrown into the Lake of Fire: which is the second Death. The lake of fire is NOT a place of annihilation, it is a prison for those who are disconnected eternally from God.


A Spirit is a non material personality!

Dead: something disconnected from its source of power.
Eg. Dead engine
Dead person
Dead animal

The context of the source of power determines the nature of the kind of death!

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying!

You are clearly told Ananias and Saphira both dropped dead , and were buried.

BluelightHotel:
It was nothing but a metaphorical death.

tollyboy5:
I've noticed alot of doctrine practise by christian came from paul's teaching who was not a deciple . He went too extreme with his teaching.
I believe people follow his teaching ignorantly

tollyboy5:
I've noticed alot of doctrine practise by christian came from paul's teaching who was not a deciple. He went too extreme with his teaching.
I believe people follow his teaching ignorantly

Solofresh2:
Happy Sunday Nairalanders

Well, am sure we all are aware of the Bible verse that says "the wages of sin is death"
But to my knowledge,I find out that all humans must die and even some wicked people we know still live longer than the ones we call saints.

Sometimes, you will see some wicked people live so long till old age before they die and you will also see some kind hearted people dying young.

If the wages of sin is death,then why do this wicked people live long and why do we believe everyone will still die

I think there is more to this Bible verse than we see it

Please any one with good knowledge should explain.Thanks

Emusan:
All what Paul taught are backed by all what Christ Jesus taught.

tollyboy5:
I've noticed alot of doctrine practise by christian came from paul's teaching who was not a deciple . He went too extreme with his teaching.
I believe people follow his teaching ignorantly

Kobojunkie:
That is a bloody lie as anyone with a brain and eyes to book can easily spot many of the contradictory teachings contained in the letters attributed to Paul.

Emusan:
■ Not a lie, If it's contradictory to you it doesn't with a well grounded Bible students.
You can post your contradictory here and I'll enlighten you.

Kobojunkie:
1. The most obvious one is his supposed claim of being a spiritual father to some when we are warned that the only Father to those in the Kingdom of God is the Father in Heaven.

Emusan:
■ So that's the contradictory you're talking about. Besides, I asked you to POST it here!

Kobojunkie:
1. It is not contradictory?

Emusan:
Provide the verse!

1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle by the command of God our Savior and Christ Jesus our hope.
2 To Timothy, a true son to me in the faith we share. Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. - 1 Timothy 1 vs 1 - 2

14 I am not trying to make you feel ashamed, but I am writing this to counsel you as my own dear children.
15 You may have ten thousand teachers in Christ, but you don’t have many fathers. Through the Good News I became your father in Christ Jesus.
16 So I beg you to be like me.
17 That is why I am sending Timothy to you. He is my son in the Lord. I love him and trust him. He will help you remember the way I live in Christ Jesus—a way of life that I teach in every meeting of the church wherever I am.
18 Some of you are acting so proud, it seems as though you think I won’t be coming there again.
19 But I will come to you very soon, the Lord willing. Then I will see if these proud talkers have the power to do anything more than talk. 20 God’s kingdom is not seen in talk but in power.
21 Which do you want: that I come to you with punishment, or that I come with love and gentleness? - 1 Corinthians 4 vs 14 - 20

8 “But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher.
9 And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven.
10 And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah.
11 Whoever serves you like a servant is the greatest among you.
12 People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great. - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 12

Kobojunkie:
Paul's claims...
A.
B.
...versus Jesus Christ
A.

Emusan:
Very funny...Don't tell me you don't understand Paul's point and Christ message in those verses. In the same chapter Christ says "“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’" ... "And you should not be called ‘Master.’"[/b]But rounded up His statement by saying [b]"People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great" The point Jesus is making is self-explanatory there.

1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle by the command of God our Savior and Christ Jesus our hope.
2 To Timothy, a true son to me in the faith we share. Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. - 1 Timothy 1 vs 1 - 2

14 I am not trying to make you feel ashamed, but I am writing this to counsel you as my own dear children.
15 You may have ten thousand teachers in Christ, but you don’t have many fathers. Through the Good News I became your father in Christ Jesus.
16 So I beg you to be like me.
17 That is why I am sending Timothy to you. He is my son in the Lord. I love him and trust him. He will help you remember the way I live in Christ Jesus—a way of life that I teach in every meeting of the church wherever I am.
18 Some of you are acting so proud, it seems as though you think I won’t be coming there again.
19 But I will come to you very soon, the Lord willing. Then I will see if these proud talkers have the power to do anything more than talk. 20 God’s kingdom is not seen in talk but in power.
21 Which do you want: that I come to you with punishment, or that I come with love and gentleness? - 1 Corinthians 4 vs 14 - 20

8 “But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher.
9 And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven.
10 And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah.
11 Whoever serves you like a servant is the greatest among you.
12 People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great. - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 12

Kobojunkie:
Liar!
Again.... Paul's claims...
A.
B.
...versus Jesus Christ
A.

Emusan:
Can you point to my lie

Here again...

Very funny...

Don't tell me you don't understand Paul's point and Christ message in those verses.

In the same chapter Christ says "“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’" ... "And you should not be called ‘Master.’"

But rounded up His statement by saying "People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great"

The point Jesus is making is self-explanatory there.

1 Greetings from Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus. I am an apostle by the command of God our Savior and Christ Jesus our hope.
2 To Timothy, a true son to me in the faith we share. Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord. - 1 Timothy 1 vs 1 - 2

14 I am not trying to make you feel ashamed, but I am writing this to counsel you as my own dear children.
15 You may have ten thousand teachers in Christ, but you don’t have many fathers. Through the Good News I became your father in Christ Jesus.
16 So I beg you to be like me.
17 That is why I am sending Timothy to you. He is my son in the Lord. I love him and trust him. He will help you remember the way I live in Christ Jesus—a way of life that I teach in every meeting of the church wherever I am.
18 Some of you are acting so proud, it seems as though you think I won’t be coming there again.
19 But I will come to you very soon, the Lord willing. Then I will see if these proud talkers have the power to do anything more than talk. 20 God’s kingdom is not seen in talk but in power.
21 Which do you want: that I come to you with punishment, or that I come with love and gentleness? - 1 Corinthians 4 vs 14 - 20

8 “But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’ You are all equal as brothers and sisters. You have only one Teacher.
9 And don’t call anyone on earth ‘Father.’ You have one Father. He is in heaven.
10 And you should not be called ‘Master.’ You have only one Master, the Messiah.
11 Whoever serves you like a servant is the greatest among you.
12 People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great. - Matthew 23 vs 8 - 12

Kobojunkie:
Rejecting the evidence and Truth right in front of you amounts to endorsing lies.
Again, Paul's claims...

Emusan:
But you provided the same verse which I responded to. My point again!!! Very funny... Don't tell me you don't understand Paul's point and Christ message in those verses.
In the same chapter Christ says "“But you must not be called ‘Teacher.’" ... "And you should not be called ‘Master.’"
But rounded up His statement by saying "People who think they are better than others will be made humble. But people who humble themselves will be made great"
The point Jesus is making is self-explanatory there.

Kobojunkie:
Stop lying! Those verses were presented in response to your claim that no contradictions exist between the Law of God in the Kingdom of God — Jesus Christ — and the views shared by Paul in his epistles.

Emusan:
Yes! I still maintain that no contradiction exist there.

The point Jesus was making is a straight forward one that even a primary pupil will understand.

Kobojunkie:
Are you high or something?

Emusan:
That question should be thrown to you!For simply lack simple comprehension

Kobojunkie:

Aarondan:
■The wages of sin(unbelief) is death eternal while the gift of righteousness through faith in Christ is eternal