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Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by cococandy(f): 7:55pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
bukatyne:I guess time will tell
But this isn’t in the west and I was referring to the post where you said western men were not as masculine. I guess this shows that west or not, the times are different and it’s not a function of masculine or feminine energy. At least that’s what I think. 1 Like |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by bukatyne(f): 8:00pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
cococandy: Took my husband once for a couple's massage and used female/female because we were in the same room. Luckily, he did not listen to me completely and did not remove his boxers unlike me that likes to be nude. Let's say it was catastrophic. Despite my presence, she was so unprofessional and caressing him and had the guts to ask for his number when we were leaving for 'follow up'. Completely swore him off massages. Sticks to his pedicure jeje. Hot stone/towel massage is awesome. Then nice music and heavenly aromatherapy.... I don't know if I am asleep or awake or still in this world. Then you finish and step out to the harsh reality I should have been born as an ancient Egyptian princess. All I would be doing is massage and importing essential oils from all over the world 1 Like |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Klass99(f): 8:01pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
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Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by bukatyne(f): 8:03pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
cococandy: The end of that post talks about some issues in the West and it is function of the dysfunction The family is the building block of the society, every one is from a family (functional or dysfunctional) and once it fails, the debris is falling on the society. |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by cococandy(f): 8:11pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
Unacceptable. I hope you guys reported her 🫤 bukatyne: |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by cococandy(f): 8:11pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
Klass99: Sorry lol. 1 Like |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by bukatyne(f): 8:12pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
Klass99: Nor vex |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by bukatyne(f): 8:13pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
cococandy: In Nigeria about 8 years ago Where do we start the story from? |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Klass99(f): 8:15pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by folake4u(f): 9:08pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
bukatyne: Sorry for the late response. 1. Totally spot on!! 2. Traditional men are EVERYTHING and more! Lmao. How can you say you thought y'all are non-traditional? 😂😂😂😂The milleninal generation is fully traditional. A. Amennn. Thank you very much. D. Yup certainly. Assertiveness is the new cool. 5. Lol. So true. We both enjoy when I'm in my best feminine state. |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by folake4u(f): 9:12pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
bukatyne: Interesting. I didn't know ladies ride bikes in Awka Ibom. I figured A. Ibom is a modern state given the fact that it's tagged "The State of Hospitality". Hmmm. That's crazy. Thank God them nor born me for that side oh. It's somehow fuçking and feeding a man at the same time. It doesn't sound right to me at all. |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by folake4u(f): 9:14pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
bukatyne: Alright. You're welcome. She even talked about nail polish colours oh, if I remember correctly. |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by PrimadonnaO(f): 9:34pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
bukatyne: Hahahahahahaha Good plan. |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Hathor5(f): 9:59pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
bukatyne: I would like to have specific examples, if you have any. How does a woman carry herself better to appear more feminine, for example? More feminine by which standards anyway? |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Hathor5(f): 10:03pm On Jun 02, 2023 |
bukatyne: And I would tell you that the average man in the West is more secure in himself than his Nigerian counterpart. 2 Likes |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Eunoiaa(f): 12:00am On Jun 03, 2023 |
Interesting discussion here... I am still reading through, and while doing that, a thought came to me that I felt I should chip in; On labels. Ordinarily, I have never found anything wrong with them. It is a natural tendency for humans to want to associate as something, with something. Even with people who are irreligious or subscribe to some unconventional notions or beliefs, they are still falling within a category. Someone who likes to talk about how 'different', 'odd', 'misunderstood', 'philosophical' they are is still being ruled by that "need" to feel a-part of a group. So categorising things (and people) are just our way of easily navigating the world. Feminist, redpiller, masculine, feminine, strong woman, virtuous woman, boss lady, slay queen, liberal, conservative and so many more like that are descriptors, and different people choose to go by one or more or some of these terms depending on how they view themselves to conform to what these things entail. And I have no problem with any of these in themselves. Only two things for me is: We play different roles at different points in our lives with different people. That's basically like all our existence comprise of. We'd fit into different boxes at the same time. Humans are complex, and so are our thoughts. Labels are okay if they are a means of positive expressions, not negative limitations. Don't tell yourself, "oh, I call myself this, then I MUST never do this." Imagine you wanted to laugh, a reflex action o, and just as you're about to do so, you held yourself and say in your head that, "ah. I am a woman. I have to be feminine. I must laugh in a so-and-so way." No. So long as what you're doing doesn't violate some values you hold dear, don't restrain yourself from doing anything out of the scope of whatever term you're cool with. Second thing, which more or less tied into the first, is not using labels as a crutch. Like you make your whole existence about one thing. One label. One word. One descriptor. One adjective or something. So yeah, that's all I have to contribute for now. We can fit into many "boxes" at the same time while a "box" should not become our whole identity. 6 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Eunoiaa(f): 12:12am On Jun 03, 2023 |
AmazonTopaz: Yes. It's me, your Royal Highness. It's really been a long while. Na community service I dey do for this account for the meantime jare. 1 Like |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Eunoiaa(f): 12:50am On Jun 03, 2023 |
bukatyne: You mentioned something, about femininity starting with taking care of oneself. So is a man taking care of himself being feminine? Can a man do that? How much (of the time)? And if you say how a man ought to take care of himself should be different from how a woman ought to take of herself (in reference to the chart Folake posted), does that mean a man cannot take himself out, treat himself, tan in the sun, do things he enjoys and such? 'Cause that pretty much seem to me like "HOW TO BE A HEALTHY HUMAN/live a healthy lifestyle" (something I am working towards being, I should add, lol). Are the activities on that chart something a man should do once in a while, so he wouldn't ooze too much feminine energy? And then should he play video games, race, repair a car, etc., for his own version of 'taking care of himself'? Mind you, every man's interests will not be the same. 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Eunoiaa(f): 12:55am On Jun 03, 2023 |
Persephone1: 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I knew I'd used the term, but I can't even remember whennnnnnn, lmao. |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Eunoiaa(f): 12:36pm On Jun 03, 2023 |
Persephone1: Persephone1: Seee, lol. This topic is HIGHLY subjective, so it'll all just boil down to our differing opinions - and perhaps going back and forth. The fact that it's a "taught" thing in my opinion is the first foul. I understand that we learn other things in our lives, sure. We're born tabula rasa, and we acquire values and social norms and kindness, a sense of justice and such. Even years ago, I was not opened to the idea of different sexualities. I learnt to be tolerant and accepting, even if I don't understand it or it has nothing to do with my life. I also learnt to stop insulting people because they can easily beat me up (😂. I tried to be like that on NL in the beginning, but the mad people here outweigh the normalz. They will always provoke, and come for you first). So I get how the "stuff" that are considered feminine may be taught in that respect, but note that, all the things I listed were not packaged as a COURSE, and being sold to people. While there are universal stuff that make a relationship work and these could be taught in a relationship seminar/marriage coaching (I mean, after all, we take career courses to elevate our social standing, and emotional intelligence/crises management classes for HR personnel), these things are never presented as a feminine/masculine dichotomy. You don't learn to manage conflict because you're a man, but because you're a leader. You learn emotional intelligence and all that not because you're a woman, but because you want to improve your interpersonal skills and productivity level. All of those 'feminine and masculine' qualities I can see in that chart up there are definitely admirable and worthy of being imbibed. Now when a woman inculcate those and truly see a change in her life, is it because it's a 'feminine' trait or a positive trait? It's just like telling someone- be soft-spoken, listen attentively, be present, don't be quick to anger (many of which the Bible generally prescribe) and they actually bring a true change to one's quality of living, and you go away thinking, 'oh, it worked because it's femininity and it's fine-tuned to my nature.' I don't know any normal woman who wouldn't want a man who is gentle and speaks softly to her😄. Or who is compassionate, considerate, kind, and vulnerable to her. There is nothing we're doing today that our "ancestors" have not done. Like primadonna O alluded, there is nothing new under the sun. Everything idea, principles and all are being recycled. We did not come up with these concepts of love, courtship, gender roles, etc. So if these femininity/masculinity stuff are really the DNA of intersexual relations, why do we keep 'losing' them? Our own parents subscribed to these things, the same way their parents subscribed to it, the same their parents before their parents did. If the great, great, great-grandfather of a lineage was a masculine man married to a feminine woman in a successful marriage, they will give birth to more masculine boys and feminine girls, no? Who should in turn get married to their complimentary parts and produced more masculine and feminine children. My point is, at what point was that "perfect" blueprint lost? People in the past have been there and done that. I don't see how their relationships fared better than ours o, because ills like prostitution, rape, paternity fraud, "cheating" were rampant then o. Our mothers just learnt to shut up and lived with them. If you say our parents did not follow the masculine/feminine outline as they should, please, who did they learn from? And many of them taught girls our generations too, who are still continuing it. So nobody, absolutely nobody has the sole claim to their (own form of) femininity being the standard. You say a woman should let a man lead, alright. A woman picked that and let a jobless man lead. She submits her salary to him, put his name on her properties, pass the ATM card to him under the table and he beat her, and goes frolicking with young girls (see the IG story), and you say that is not femininity? If submissiveness is a feminine expression that activates the masculinity in a man, why did Osinachi's case and the story above turn out wrong? You cannot say playing femininity unlocks the masculinity in a man and then say some men are a man-child who manhandle the feminine energy of a woman. So that means, be feminine all you want, it'll never make some men treat you right. But femininity is SUPPOSED to make him treat you right, right? So who is at fault? You see how this is subtly pushing the blame on the woman to be thinking, "oh, perhaps I am not doing this femininity thing, right?" When it is the man with a shitty behaviour. It is either femininity activates masculinity, no exception—or it is not a fool-proof technique. And then there's the transgender angle. Act like a woman, talk like a woman, dress like a woman, be a woman. If femininity can be learnt, and if that's what makes us women, why can a male not learn those traits and declare himself a woman? That's what the transwomen* I've come across online actually do. They rely on 'feminine stereotypes' to 'present as a woman'. If a transgender presenting as a woman sound absurd to you, then it should sound absurd to you, too, to suggest to women to present as a woman. I have never subscribed to gender roles in a conservative sense, and I am still not fùcking with it in a liberal sense. Some transgenders also say they feel like a woman and have a "lady's brain", and if as a believer in femininity, you disagree with this, why? How can you disprove this since you also believe women and men are fundamentally different, and there's a way to feel like a woman? We should not simply call them feminine men, we should call them women since there's a rules and guidelines on being a woman, no? If you don't believe that a man can become a woman by doing things women do, then that means doing those things are NOT what makes us women. We're women because we're the female sex. End of. I'll end with this screenshot from ulxma below- if it has to be taught it's not natural, so we're not going against some grave natural stuff. Yes, a feminine man would be the least desired because most women have been brought up to desire a 'manly' man; ditto for a masculine woman. So yeah, while problems might actually arise from men and women not playing the roles expected of them, it is not because of biology but because of the social consequences. It's just a circular logic. I will treat a feminine woman right and maltreat a masculine women, so women are feminine and the man treats them right because of it's what he's come to expect and to deliver. It is only when we face ourselves individually that we begin to see that we cannot conform to these thugs 100% of the time. cc; Bukatyne 4 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Eunoiaa(f): 12:56pm On Jun 03, 2023 |
This thing is also funny to me because look at May Edochie and Anita Okoye. From all indications, do they not appear like feminine women? So what went wrong in their marriages? I went through that IG post and it was all one big yuck. You want women to be mature and hold their own and also be like the U-22 girls men run after (for manipulative purposes o). Imagine thinking your average Instagram influencer is the face of femininity lol. I really don't want to go into a judgement zone, but that IG poster must be highly deluded to think girls like Ivy are practicing "femininity" to get a man like Paul Okoye. And it is also highly insulting to thousands of women out there, to infer that they are not feminine enough because they don't have banging bodies and face cards that eat. Toke Makinwa and (Tonto Dikeh) also falls in the periphery of this category, are they feminine or not? Because you can't tell me a Toke Makinwa or a Nengi isn't receiving from men, even if they have other legit sources of income. So are they qualified to teach femininity? And what kind of successful masculine men are we talking about here? Sam Adeyemi is as much a successful man as Obi Cubana in their various rights, so which of these two kind of men are chasing soft, U-22 girls who don't lift a thing, to control them? Do you have to be Barbie-like to attract men of Sam Adeyemi's calibre? Would a man of such character be chasing his work secretaries and house maids? Would a man like him not appreciate an hard-working woman with her degrees? So, let's not be confusing dogs who have money with men of substance o. And note that the femininity as described in Folake's chart is different from petiteandfeminine's idea of femininity, as she's clearly painting a picture of a different woman below. And I hope this poster is going on trips to the Bahamas and Maldives herself. 😑 4 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Ybaby: 3:07pm On Jun 03, 2023 |
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Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by folake4u(f): 3:27pm On Jun 03, 2023 |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Ybaby: 10:08pm On Jun 03, 2023 |
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Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by descarado: 1:27am On Jun 04, 2023 |
Hathor5:Our brothers are too narcissistic and narcissism emanates from low self esteem. Compare the two men and what's obtainable today and your answer lies therein. A Nigerian man can't stand his counterpart anywhere in the world face to face boldly without peeing on his pant. I have to research on what causes this low self esteem among our men. It's not poverty. It may be ingrained from childhood. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by Hathor5(f): 1:01pm On Jun 04, 2023 |
descarado: Let me know what research says if you find anything interesting. 1 Like |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by AmazonTopaz(f): 9:12pm On Jun 04, 2023 |
folake4u:Sorry for the late response, that is the opinion of the lady and not necessarily a fact for everyone else. When people focus on the femininity of women it enhances the idea that trans women can be women (no prejudice against transpeople, but this Christian woman will not believe that transwomen are women so she is shooting herself on the foot) since all it takes to be a woman is to act feminine. Also every human being has the masculine and feminine side or energy so attributing womanhood to feminity alone makes no sense because it means women should suppress their masculine side. Who told people that someone must be masculine or feminine alone? What on earth is wrong with embracing what works for you. For your questions. 1). What I understand by a lady being feminine in the context of religious people is simply being a doormat, walkover, someone that should be subsevient and not in anyway outspoken. 2). I believe so, the two can work together and I think we should correct the notion that masculinity alone is what is responsible for making one a highflyer. Feminine energies such as intuition, creativity and sensitivity are good for business and corporate affairs and even politics and these are high flying positions. 3). I believe I have explained this in 2. 4).I just want to chip in something here both parties should in my view embrace both sides I cannot be with a man who is not sensitive, nurturing,vulnerable, compassionate and empathic to feelings and those around him. Same way I will be practical, purpose driven, disciplined and much more(masculine energy) towards him. We grow and develop this way because we are striving to be good. Although not every feminine or masculine energy should be embraced but they can work together. 5). My view on the topic is in my opening comment also its a non-coherent topic it makes no actual sense, not even based on data or even biblical backing. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by AmazonTopaz(f): 9:12pm On Jun 04, 2023 |
Eunoiaa:Remain blessed. |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by AmazonTopaz(f): 9:13pm On Jun 04, 2023 |
cococandy:Words on marble. I admire your intellectual submissions. 1 Like |
Re: The Pinkpill Roundtable Discussion by AmazonTopaz(f): 9:25pm On Jun 04, 2023 |
Eunoiaa:@bold, this is similar to what I just gave in my response to folake4u. This is what Germaine Greer warned about. Lol you have a solid argument. 1 Like |
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