It's one of the reasons poor people hate rich people.

Funny picture.

On a personal level, humans are notorious to cut off leeches disguise as friends. We attach ourselves to people that even if they won't contribute to our life, at least don't worsen it.

So why should a country spend multi million dollar search for people who ain't citizens, have not contributed anything to the country, and are migrating illegally?

pansophist:
Funny picture.

On a personal level, humans are notorious to cut off leeches disguise as friends. We attach ourselves to people that even if they won't contribute to our life, at least don't worsen it.

So why should a country spend multi million dollar search for people who ain't citizens, have not contributed anything to the country, and are migrating illegally?

Bros, Putin has lost it. I should have posted since but the fear of ban deterred me.

At this stage, either he surrenders or uses nukes. The Russian empire seems to be ending. The West will divide Russia up for spoils. The West aka America has won, again.

Gerrard59:


Bros, Putin has lost it. I should have posted since but the fear of ban deterred me.

At this stage, either he surrenders or uses nukes. The Russian empire seems to be ending. The West will divide Russia up for spoils. The West aka America has won, again.

Lol, I don't agree. A few months ago, Prigozhin was having beef with Shoigu, but he still liberated Bakhmut. This is just one of his theatrics. Also, do not forget that Russia is the blood, air, and veins that give the Wagner group any legitimacy.

From weapons, political umbrella, immunity, contracts, hell, Prigozhin was a chef for Putin, before his loyalty upgraded him to a warlord. He dare not turn against Putin.

At best, Prigozhin is like a houseboy that has been made so comfortable by the boss, he now thinks he can topple the boss. Putin release a speech yesterday vowing to punish those involved and the FSB has opened a case against him.

Also, the Wagner groups are just mercenaries and a lot of their soldiers are prisoners sentenced to life and are in the war as payment for their freedom. Wagner soldiers in Ukraine are merely bodybags.

The real trained die-hard soldiers are in reserves, waiting for the main war with Nato. If Putin wants Prigozhin's head today, it would be delivered to him immediately.

And you forgot an important angle in this war.

CHINA.

China will never let Russia fall. NEVER. To counter Western imperialism, you need a strong ally, and Russia is one for China. With Russia, China got energy security, UN backing, support from the stans countries (central Asia), and to counter western blockade in an event of a war.

China is directly supporting this war, but there is no way the world will know because they trade in local currencies, not USD. So trade cant be monitored. China and Russia share one of the longest borders on earth. You don't know what goes through between those countries inside their cargo for trade.

And How can western win exactly? It is the Russian army protecting the territories ceded from Ukraine, not Wagner. So tell me, how exactly do you mean that they have defeated Russia?

pansophist:


Lol, I don't agree. A few months ago, Prigozhin was having beef with Shoigu, but he still liberated Bakhmut. This is just one of his theatrics. Also, do not forget that Russia is the blood, air, and veins that give the Wagner group any legitimacy.

From weapons, political umbrella, immunity, contracts, hell, Prigozhin was a chef for Putin, before his loyalty upgraded him to a warlord. He dare not turn against Putin.

At best, Prigozhin is like a houseboy that has been made so comfortable by the boss, he now thinks he can topple the boss. Putin release a speech yesterday vowing to punish those involved and the FSB has opened a case against him.

Also, the Wagner groups are just mercenaries and a lot of their soldiers are prisoners sentenced to life and are in the war as payment for their freedom. Wagner soldiers in Ukraine are merely bodybags.

The real trained die-hard soldiers are in reserves, waiting for the main war with Nato. If Putin wants Prigozhin's head today, it would be delivered to him immediately.

And you forgot an important angle in this war.

CHINA.

China will never let Russia fall. NEVER. To counter Western imperialism, you need a strong ally, and Russia is one for China. With Russia, China got energy security, UN backing, support from the stans countries (central Asia), and to counter western blockade in an event of a war.

China is directly supporting this war, but there is no way the world will know because they trade in local currencies, not USD. So trade cant be monitored. China and Russia share one of the longest borders on earth. You don't know what goes through between those countries inside their cargo for trade.

And How can western win exactly? It is the Russian army protecting the territories ceded from Ukraine, not Wagner. So tell me, how exactly do you mean that they have defeated Russia?

Honestly bro, I am not comfortable with the turn of event.

The last thing Russia should experience right now is fighting at multiple points and to make it worse, fighting their own fighters.
That is not good at all.
It is really worrisome and I have a feeling some people like US/CIA are pulling the strings behind the scene buying off these rebels.
In total, the picture is not good at all

pansophist:


Lol, I don't agree. A few months ago, Prigozhin was having beef with Shoigu, but he still liberated Bakhmut. This is just one of his theatrics. Also, do not forget that Russia is the blood, air, and veins that give the Wagner group any legitimacy.

From weapons, political umbrella, immunity, contracts, hell, Prigozhin was a chef for Putin, before his loyalty upgraded him to a warlord. He dare not turn against Putin.

At best, Prigozhin is like a houseboy that has been made so comfortable by the boss, he now thinks he can topple the boss. Putin release a speech yesterday vowing to punish those involved and the FSB has opened a case against him.

Also, the Wagner groups are just mercenaries and a lot of their soldiers are prisoners sentenced to life and are in the war as payment for their freedom. Wagner soldiers in Ukraine are merely bodybags.

The real trained die-hard soldiers are in reserves, waiting for the main war with Nato. If Putin wants Prigozhin's head today, it would be delivered to him immediately.

And you forgot an important angle in this war.

CHINA.

China will never let Russia fall. NEVER. To counter Western imperialism, you need a strong ally, and Russia is one for China. With Russia, China got energy security, UN backing, support from the stans countries (central Asia), and to counter western blockade in an event of a war.

China is directly supporting this war, but there is no way the world will know because they trade in local currencies, not USD. So trade cant be monitored. China and Russia share one of the longest borders on earth. You don't know what goes through between those countries inside their cargo for trade.

And How can western win exactly? It is the Russian army protecting the territories ceded from Ukraine, not Wagner. So tell me, how exactly do you mean that they have defeated Russia?

What's your take on what Wagner group marching towards Moscow is Progzhini planning a coup or what?

Really

pansophist:


Lol, I don't agree. A few months ago, Prigozhin was having beef with Shoigu, but he still liberated Bakhmut. This is just one of his theatrics. Also, do not forget that Russia is the blood, air, and veins that give the Wagner group any legitimacy.

From weapons, political umbrella, immunity, contracts, hell, Prigozhin was a chef for Putin, before his loyalty upgraded him to a warlord. He dare not turn against Putin.

At best, Prigozhin is like a houseboy that has been made so comfortable by the boss, he now thinks he can topple the boss. Putin release a speech yesterday vowing to punish those involved and the FSB has opened a case against him.

Also, the Wagner groups are just mercenaries and a lot of their soldiers are prisoners sentenced to life and are in the war as payment for their freedom. Wagner soldiers in Ukraine are merely bodybags.

The real trained die-hard soldiers are in reserves, waiting for the main war with Nato. If Putin wants Prigozhin's head today, it would be delivered to him immediately.

With what you have wrote, one wonders why he has opened his mouth to spew the nonsense I have been reading.

And you forgot an important angle in this war.

CHINA.

China will never let Russia fall. NEVER. To counter Western imperialism, you need a strong ally, and Russia is one for China. With Russia, China got energy security, UN backing, support from the stans countries (central Asia), and to counter western blockade in an event of a war.

China is directly supporting this war, but there is no way the world will know because they trade in local currencies, not USD. So trade cant be monitored. China and Russia share one of the longest borders on earth. You don't know what goes through between those countries inside their cargo for trade.

And How can western win exactly? It is the Russian army protecting the territories ceded from Ukraine, not Wagner. So tell me, how exactly do you mean that they have defeated Russia?

Yeah. This was one of the aspects I wanted to discuss, but fear of being banned. China needs Russia more than Russia needs China. Before China got wealthy, Russia was still classified as an arch-rival, so she is used to the tag. However, a rich China has gotten Western elites, especially Americans and for-God-knows-why-they-are-proud Britain, because the Germans and French are dragging their feet, to be envious. China needs peace to achieve full wealth status, and with the constant poking in the eyes by the Americans, she has been firm while being diplomatic.

What pisses me off is the braggadocio. You sent your SoS to visit Xi only to describe him as a dictator the following day. You bully neighbouring countries to plant bases there just to "deter" China, whereas China has never invaded any neighbouring country. The plan seems to be "weaken Russia to the very low, then focus on China". Only God knows what was discussed between Blinken and Xi. They should not make the mistake the Japanese did during the 1980s by adopting the Plaza Accord. Prior to that, the Japanese economy was blazing hot, just like China. In Japan's defence, I think they accepted it because they got nuked, and military bases are inside Japan. It brings to the fact that if one is a formidable country, being an ally of the US does more harm to the country than good, as you lose every form of independence and cannot be assertive on certain issues. France seems to be different.

About the war itself, I am very indifferent. None of the parties involved likes the regular black man on the streets. None has been interested in conflicts affecting ordinary Africans. Wanger Group dey try sha provided they are well paid. But all-in-all, it is none of my business. They can fight till thy kingdom come. But I want a multi-polar world as the current system has not favoured Africa and countries should've the right to choose their partners or remain neutral without being bullied. If not for China, many Africans for no sabi wetin prosperity, new infrastructure, products at affordable prices and development dey like.

What do you think about India's bromance with the US? In the 2000s, the same Modi was banned from visiting the US, but today, he got a presidential welcome. In this life, have money and power. Because without the latter, one still appears vulnerable. The US is now pairing with India all in a bid to "counter/contain China". Should India aspire to be scientifically and all-round independent like China, we will begin to hear another story of India going against the "International Rules-based order and International Community". International Community wey Africa no follow o.

emmaodet:


Honestly bro, I am not comfortable with the turn of event.

The last thing Russia should experience right now is fighting at multiple points and to make it worse, fighting their own fighters.
That is not good at all.
It is really worrisome and I have a feeling some people like US/CIA are pulling the strings behind the scene buying off these rebels.
In total, the picture is not good at all

It is a sad turn of events, but it demonstrates the fragile polity of Russia.

A delicate balance exists between the power blocs in Russia--the Kremlin; the MoD; the Intelligence community - FSB, SVR, GRU (not always on the same page); the merchants (oligarchs and business interests); the Vrog (Russian mafia and underworld); the politicos (from the State Duma to Presidents of the constituent republics) and a number of other interest groups.

Behind the iconic Onion Domes and world-leading military tech is a very messy backdrop that occasionally flares up.

Wagner and Prigozhin is a new entrant. Backed by several powerful interests both outside and inside Russia like the GRU. He is making a play for a seat at the adult table. That's all this is. Putin's ability to subdue him will renew the faith reposed on him and backing provided by the constituent power blocs, otherwise he'll be replaced by someone capable of putting out the fire seeded by NATO.

Currently, it appears the play is to lure Prig to Moscow and stretch his supply lines. Deploy Chechens to pin his forces in Rostov, which he'll have to reinforce by pulling most if not all of his forces from new Russian regions of DPR, Zap, and Kherson. Thus eliminating the possibility of sabotage in the SMO. Then a standoff ensues and if he fails to stand down, possibly declare a national state of emergency, national mobilization, and literally blast pictures and videos of Wagner's convoy on Moscow's doorstep as the aged prophesy of the West trying to breakup the Fatherland yet again to marshal a fierce, resounding response.

All of that is to say, there are several ways out of this that does not include the demise of Novorossiya. Like anyone who has followed the conflict from the start, I have my reservations about Shoigu and principal officers in the MoD, but Russia has been here too many times that I'm not concerned. Not even a tiny bit. This is peak Russia. Putting down a mutiny while killing Nazis trying to break fortified lines. Always teetering between a collapse or expanding. This is where they're most comfortable.

It is instructive to note that no top general or politico has publicly voiced support for Prig's gambit. If one had, that would have been deeply ominous.

I wouldn't say much about the US/CIA connection. Of course, they're involved in some way. The Pentagon just discovered $6B from an accounting mistake. Hypothetically, if the US decided to hand $2B directly to Prig and $2B to his top lieutenants; they'd be able to write it off and you'd struggle to find anyone who wouldn't march on Moscow in Prig's position for a fraction of that. Even if it is suicide. E get the kind money or threat wen u go receive, you go enter canoe go pursue Putin. The West remains a potent adversary. It is dying. But it can still sting.

This is why when Gerrard59 says "In China We Trust", that resonates. There is no way the Global South can or will escape the West's boot without a strong Russo-Sino-Indian alliance. That roughly THREE BILLION people sitting in that connected patch of land in Eurasia are our Hail Mary. Not one. All 3. Russia will get past this new curveball; but there are way more obstacles ahead. And we'll hand over the baton to our kids who'll hopefully continue the good fight. This is a 2,300 year old struggle and thankfully for the first time ever the Core of the Global South's push is a conglomerate of ascending powers that can only be thwarted by subterfuge. This will be one in an unending string of attempts that will ultimately diminish in their potency.

-Lord

LordAdam16:


It is a sad turn of events, but it demonstrates the fragile polity of Russia.

A delicate balance exists between the power blocs in Russia--the Kremlin; the MoD; the Intelligence community - FSB, SVR, GRU (not always on the same page); the merchants (oligarchs and business interests); the Vrog (Russian mafia and underworld); the politicos (from the State Duma to Presidents of the constituent republics) and a number of other interest groups.

Behind the iconic Onion Domes and world-leading military tech is a very messy backdrop that occasionally flares up.

Wagner and Prigozhin is a new entrant. Backed by several powerful interests both outside and inside Russia like the GRU. He is making a play for a seat at the adult table. That's all this is. Putin's ability to subdue him will renew the faith reposed on him and backing provided by the constituent power blocs, otherwise he'll be replaced by someone capable of putting out the fire seeded by NATO.

Currently, it appears the play is to lure Prig to Moscow and stretch his supply lines. Deploy Chechens to pin his forces in Rostov, which he'll have to reinforce by pulling most if not all of his forces from new Russian regions of DPR, Zap, and Kherson. Thus eliminating the possibility of sabotage in the SMO. Then a standoff ensues and if he fails to stand down, possibly declare a national state of emergency, national mobilization, and literally blast pictures and videos of Wagner's convoy on Moscow's doorstep as the aged prophesy of the West trying to breakup the Fatherland yet again to marshal a fierce, resounding response.

All of that is to say, there are several ways out of this that does not include the demise of Novorossiya. Like anyone who has followed the conflict from the start, I have my reservations about Shoigu and principal officers in the MoD, but Russia has been here too many times that I'm not concerned. Not even a tiny bit. This is peak Russia. Putting down a mutiny while killing Nazis trying to break fortified lines. Always teetering between a collapse or expanding. This is where they're most comfortable.

It is instructive to note that no top general or politico has publicly voiced support for Prig's gambit. If one had, that would have been deeply ominous.

I wouldn't say much about the US/CIA connection. Of course, they're involved in some way. The Pentagon just discovered $6B from an accounting mistake. Hypothetically, if the US decided to hand $2B directly to Prig and $2B to his top lieutenants; they'd be able to write it off and you'd struggle to find anyone who wouldn't march on Moscow in Prig's position for a fraction of that. Even if it is suicide. E get the kind money or threat wen u go receive, you go enter canoe go pursue Putin. The West remains a potent adversary. It is dying. But it can still sting.

This is why when Gerrard59 says "In China We Trust", that resonates. There is no way the Global South can or will escape the West's boot without a strong Russo-Sino-Indian alliance. That roughly THREE BILLION people sitting in that connected patch of land in Eurasia are our Hail Mary. Not one. All 3. Russia will get past this new curveball; but there are way more obstacles ahead. And we'll hand over the baton to our kids who'll hopefully continue the good fight. This is a 2,300 year old struggle and thankfully for the first time ever the Core of the Global South's push is a conglomerate of ascending powers that can only be thwarted by subterfuge. This will be one in an unending string of attempts that will ultimately diminish in their potency.

-Lord

Waoooo

Thanks for the breakdown of the events going on there.
I just pray they come out fine from this mess.

emmaodet:


Waoooo

Thanks for the breakdown of the events going on there.
I just pray they come out fine from this mess.

Matter don dey quench already.

Russia is peculiar. This attempt has failed. We go hear another kata kata very soon.

-Lord

emmaodet:


Honestly bro, I am not comfortable with the turn of event.

The last thing Russia should experience right now is fighting at multiple points and to make it worse, fighting their own fighters.
That is not good at all.
It is really worrisome and I have a feeling some people like US/CIA are pulling the strings behind the scene buying off these rebels.
In total, the picture is not good at all

Shit got back to normal. Its just theatrical performance by attention loving Prigozhin.

CIA can't buy him. He is a hardcore nationalist. And if they bribe him, where will he spend the money? He has killed so much Ukrainians and NATO soldiers, they can't just bribe him.

He is just one man in a machine of soldiers. If he is bribed, he can't pull the command and others will follow foolishly. How will weapon be supplied? The whole logistic is bribing him no follow.

pansophist:


Shit got back to normal. Its just theatrical performance by attention loving Prigozhin.

CIA can't buy him. He is a hardcore nationalist. And if they bribe him, where will he spend the money? He has killed so much Ukrainians and NATO soldiers, they can't just bribe him.

He is just one man in a machine of soldiers. If he is bribed, he can't pull the command and others will follow foolishly. How will weapon be supplied? The whole logistic is bribing him no follow.

Okay ooo.
I pray Russia gets her shit right.
The fall of Russia is not a good news for Africa and the global south.
I can't imagine a world where US lord over everyone without anyone bold enough to call her to order or check mate her excesses

emmaodet:


Okay ooo.
I pray Russia gets her shit right.
The fall of Russia is not a good news for Africa and the global south.
I can't imagine a world where US lord over everyone without anyone bold enough to call her to order or check mate her excesses

The unipolar world has ended for good, and will not come back. The world is formatting back to how it was pre-1500s, when Eurasia was the wealthiest, and center of the globe.

The West played a high stake gamble when they recognized China in the 70s as a country, ushered them to the UN and UNSC, then WTO, then every country started recognizing PRC as a country, and boom, the seed for China taking off was laid.

Then they moved all their industries and manufacturing to China, due to its dirt-cheap labor, market size, and mouth-watering deals to attract foreign investments.

They recognized China with the hope that China would become a photocopy of India, form a formidable force, defeat the Soviets, and be a permanent global factory, just as Africa is the resource factory.

I can bet my blood in the deepest of their hearts, in the darkest corner where no one can see, the West regretted that action. Now China cannot be tamed, or defeated, and is going for the head, to usurp the West role as the undisputed hegemon.

Also, the Chinese government has this philosophy they called ´ćommon prosperity´(in Chinese: 共同富裕), and this political slogan is the exact opposite of Western global hegemony.

As the West destroys, China constructs. Their BRI (belt and road initiatives) projects stem from their political aim for common prosperity, same with all the cheap infrastructures, loans, aids, and consumer goods that the average poor person can afford.

I have a tecno phone that I use. Honestly, that phone made me not miss my iPhone, and only take it out for outings because of its camera quality. I bought the Tecno for less than 100 USD two years ago, and it's damn good. China made such cheap phones possible.

China is/has built over 1000 schools for children in Afghanistan, a country the US destroyed, froze their foreign reserve, and left to rot. China is a behemoth, and will singlehandedly break Western hegemony. It's their stated goal, perhaps, via diplomatic language.

So bro Emma, nothing to fear. Just that, we may not live long enough to see the total destruction of it, but surely, your kids or grandchildren will see.

Dabronze:
What's your take on what Wagner group marching towards Moscow is Progzhini planning a coup or what?

They won't, they can't, they will be stopped.

Gerrard59:


What pisses me off is the braggadocio. You sent your SoS to visit Xi only to describe him as a dictator the following day. You bully neighboring countries to plant bases there just to "deter" China, whereas China has never invaded any neighboring country. The plan seems to be "weaken Russia to the very low, then focus on China". Only God knows what was discussed between Blinken and Xi. They should not make the mistake the Japanese did during the 1980s by adopting the Plaza Accord. Prior to that, the Japanese economy was blazing hot, just like China. In Japan's defence, I think they accepted it because they got nuked, and military bases are inside Japan. It brings to the fact that if one is a formidable country, being an ally of the US does more harm to the country than good, as you lose every form of independence and cannot be assertive on certain issues. France seems to be different.

When it comes to China, I am perfectly confident in how they conduct their affairs. I fear for Russia more than China. Do you think it's easy to rule over 1.4B people and achieve such a level of development? China as far as I am concerned is already living in the 22nd century. The kind of things that happens there, it's like, WOW.

The Plaza Accord would be what the Chinese would tag as unequal treaties (不平等條約), and even though the CCP might not state it, their long-term goal would be to reclaim all their stolen lands and overturn any treaties that were signed during the period they were at their lowest.

So far, they have collected Hong Kong from the British, and Macao from the Portuguese, and now Taiwan is the last one, but even at that, they have sovereignty over Taiwan de jure, not de facto. All these without firing a single bullet, show how strong the Chinese are.

Ok back to the Plaza Accord thing. No, China will not sign or agree to any of such terms. They sanction omicron recently remember, that's a position of strength. The Chinese have this thing called the ´century of humiliation´, and it's a stated political aim that it must not repeat itself again.

The century of humiliation was the period when China was at its lowest, its people were killed and used for experiments by foreign powers millions, their lands were stolen, their population was fed with opium, and different parts of the countries were controlled by warlords.

China knows what it means to be weak and to be at the mercy of others. Listen. THEY WILL NEVER EVER ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. NEVER.

I am not sure how you get your news about China and what the Chinese think about geopolitics and the state of the world. But I will advise that you register on Quora, then follow lots of Chinese independent writers, I can recommend some for you if you want.

If you want to go hardcore, then register on Chinese forums like Zhihu, then see what the Chinese are saying and showing. Western news will never let you know what is happening out there.

Japan has been nuked, their country occupied by their nukers, and their politics manipulated to suit the hegemon. Japan is not an independent country. It's a vassal and the dirtiest beech of all. An empire reduced to nothing. How sad Japan has fallen.

The Chinese watched all these and learned. And planned ahead. Let me stop here. Sha don't worry about the sinos, they are fine. If the west can destroy them, they would have done it long ago. Because in warfare, you never give your enemies time to get stronger.

Gerrard59

What do you think about India's bromance with the US? In the 2000s, the same Modi was banned from visiting the US, but today, he got a presidential welcome. In this life, have money and power. Because without the latter, one still appears vulnerable. The US is now pairing with India all in a bid to "counter/contain China". Should India aspire to be scientifically and all-round independent like China, we will begin to hear another story of India going against the "International Rules-based order and International Community". International Community wey Africa no follow o.

India is buying time, this is how I see it. Also, India can't take sides, they are too big to be allying with anyone. So they are maintaining strategic ambiguity, but they are on the sides of multipolarity.

Go listen to the speech by Jainshankar (India's foreign minister) in Cape Town during the BRICS summit in 2023, that should tell you everything you need to know about where India stands.

India is also not happy with not being part of the UNSC, even when they have the largest population on earth. Also, historically, the West has not been good to India. It was the US that supported Pakistan and sent its warship close to India before the Soviets intervened. India never forgets this.

About France, well, France is an empire masked as a country (alongside China, Russia, and USA), so they must maintain an independent foreign policy, as a matter of necessity. France is the only Nato country that is not part of the integrated air defense system (NATINADS).

They also do not have US military bases there, and in my calculations, being part of the Western empire kind of serves them best, and doesn't conflict with the empire's interest. The US also tries to avoid poking France, to avoid infightings.

pansophist:


Shit got back to normal. Its just theatrical performance by attention loving Prigozhin.

CIA can't buy him. He is a hardcore nationalist. And if they bribe him, where will he spend the money? He has killed so much Ukrainians and NATO soldiers, they can't just bribe him.

He is just one man in a machine of soldiers. If he is bribed, he can't pull the command and others will follow foolishly. How will weapon be supplied? The whole logistic is bribing him no follow.

My own is that what happen to Russia in 1917 it was is trying to repeat its self again.

History repeats itself. But I pray that what happen on 1917 should not repeat on Russia again.

Am a good student student of Russia history. 1917 was one of the darkest day in their history. From bloody revolution to bloody civil war. Brothers killing brothers.

pansophist:


The unipolar world has ended for good, and will not come back. The world is formatting back to how it was pre-1500s, when Eurasia was the wealthiest, and center of the globe.

The West played a high stake gamble when they recognized China in the 70s as a country, ushered them to the UN and UNSC, then WTO, then every country started recognizing PRC as a country, and boom, the seed for China taking off was laid.

Then they moved all their industries and manufacturing to China, due to its dirt-cheap labor, market size, and mouth-watering deals to attract foreign investments.

They recognized China with the hope that China would become a photocopy of India, form a formidable force, defeat the Soviets, and be a permanent global factory, just as Africa is the resource factory.

I can bet my blood in the deepest of their hearts, in the darkest corner where no one can see, the West regretted that action. Now China cannot be tamed, or defeated, and is going for the head, to usurp the West role as the undisputed hegemon.

Also, the Chinese government has this philosophy they called ´ćommon prosperity´(in Chinese: 共同富裕), and this political slogan is the exact opposite of Western global hegemony.

As the West destroys, China constructs. Their BRI (belt and road initiatives) projects stem from their political aim for common prosperity, same with all the cheap infrastructures, loans, aids, and consumer goods that the average poor person can afford.

I have a tecno phone that I use. Honestly, that phone made me not miss my iPhone, and only take it out for outings because of its camera quality. I bought the Tecno for less than 100 USD two years ago, and it's damn good. China made such cheap phones possible.

China is/has built over 1000 schools for children in Afghanistan, a country the US destroyed, for their foreign reserve, and left to rot. China is a behemoth, and will singlehandedly break Western hegemony. It's their stated goal, perhaps, via diplomatic language.

So bro Emma, nothing to fear. Just that, we may not live long enough to see the total destruction of it, but surely, your kids or grandchildren will see.

Okay ooo

Thanks for the break down.
Really wish to be alive to see the fall of that empire.
This people don don Africa shegeeee

pansophist:


When it comes to China, I am perfectly confident in how they conduct their affairs. I fear for Russia more than China. Do you think it's easy to rule over 1.4B people and achieve such a level of development? China as far as I am concerned is already living in the 22nd century. The kind of things that happens there, it's like, WOW.

The Plaza Accord would be what the Chinese would tag as unequal treaties (不平等條約), and even though the CCP might not state it, their long-term goal would be to reclaim all their stolen lands and overturn any treaties that were signed during the period they were at their lowest.

So far, they have collected Hong Kong from the British, and Macao from the Portuguese, and now Taiwan is the last one, but even at that, they have sovereignty over Taiwan de jure, not de facto. All these without firing a single bullet, show how strong the Chinese are.

Ok back to the Plaza Accord thing. No, China will not sign or agree to any of such terms. They sanction omicron recently remember, that's a position of strength. The Chinese have this thing called the ´century of humiliation´, and it's a stated political aim that it must not repeat itself again.

The century of humiliation was the period when China was at its lowest, its people were killed and used for experiments by foreign powers millions, their lands were stolen, their population was fed with opium, and different parts of the countries were controlled by warlords.

China knows what it means to be weak and to be at the mercy of others. Listen. THEY WILL NEVER EVER ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN AGAIN. NEVER.

I am not sure how you get your news about China and what the Chinese think about geopolitics and the state of the world. But I will advise that you register on Quora, then follow lots of Chinese independent writers, I can recommend some for you if you want.

If you want to go hardcore, then register on Chinese forums like Zhihu, then see what the Chinese are saying and showing. Western news will never let you know what is happening out there.

Please the names. Already on Quora, but I don't spend too much time there. I read the SCMP and GlobalTimes for issues about China. What I read are not the developments as I know she has gone far. What I have been reading are the wailings and articles of lamentations by Westerners and seeing in broad daylight the envy and sudden hatred they have for the Chinese. I am seeing their hypocrisy in 3D as it is unfolding.

Thanks for the reply.

pansophist:


The unipolar world has ended for good, and will not come back. The world is formatting back to how it was pre-1500s, when Eurasia was the wealthiest, and center of the globe.

The West played a high stake gamble when they recognized China in the 70s as a country, ushered them to the UN and UNSC, then WTO, then every country started recognizing PRC as a country, and boom, the seed for China taking off was laid.

Then they moved all their industries and manufacturing to China, due to its dirt-cheap labor, market size, and mouth-watering deals to attract foreign investments.

They recognized China with the hope that China would become a photocopy of India, form a formidable force, defeat the Soviets, and be a permanent global factory, just as Africa is the resource factory.

You know this too well. If not, I ask why "de-risking" to South East Asia when Africa has cheap labour? You cannot decouple from the Chinese market because it is so big that no one can replace it, whereas Africa being closer would have been a bigger and more secure market.

I can bet my blood in the deepest of their hearts, in the darkest corner where no one can see, the West regretted that action. Now China cannot be tamed, or defeated, and is going for the head, to usurp the West role as the undisputed hegemon.

You need to read the posts by them across their major news platforms - envy, disappointment, disgust and agony are the words to describe them. They just thought China would be different. One even stated that Russia should have sided with the West as fellow Whites to defeat China. Na there I know say these people are deeply angry. The market is too juicy. The Chinese are so disciplined, unlike the Indians and intelligent. They cant just kick against them. China really bided their time well, because if the West had known, they would have cut the wings in 2010. But the financial crises removed their focus, plus fighting wars in Iraq, Libya etc.

[quote]I have a tecno phone that I use. Honestly, that phone made me not miss my iPhone, and only take it out for outings because of its camera quality. I bought the Tecno for less than 100 USD two years ago, and it's damn good. China made such cheap phones possible./quote]

As I have stated, without China, many poor/average people across the world would not have known what prosperity or good items are. China made it possible. I had an HTC One M8 (I made a review which graced FP then), which was later stolen, and I replaced it with a Tecno in the meantime. It gave me what I needed at that time. Before then, I despised Tecno phones, but later realised they were important and useful for average folks who had to access the Internet (which is very important). In fact, I dare say China made many Africans access the web. I watched a video where a senior Chinese official stated that one of the reasons the West despises China is because the Chinese engaged Africa on equal terms—providing infrastructure, cheap products and trade in general. That the West wanted Africans not to be part of the global consumption market.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm-61Pw9iCw&feature=youtu.be

Gerrard59:


You know this too well. If not, I ask why "de-risking" to South East Asia when Africa has cheap labour? You cannot decouple from the Chinese market because it is so big that no one can replace it, whereas Africa being closer would have been a bigger and more secure market.



You need to read the posts by them across their major news platforms - envy, disappointment, disgust and agony are the words to describe them. They just thought China would be different. One even stated that Russia should have sided with the West as fellow Whites to defeat China. Na there I know say these people are deeply angry. The market is too juicy. The Chinese are so disciplined, unlike the Indians and intelligent. They cant just kick against them. China really bided their time well, because if the West had known, they would have cut the wings in 2010. But the financial crises removed their focus, plus fighting wars in Iraq, Libya etc.

Look up the population projections for 2100.

Global population at ~10B. Africa will be home to ~4B. Our share of the population will double from 17% (as of 2020) to 38%. Every other region will see a decline.

This will be the next (last?) big population explosion in history and we're on the West's doorstep. If you squint from Morocco you'll see Spain. From Libya and Tunisia, you'll see Italy. Open Google Earth. You can draw a straight line from the Morocco-Senegal Northwestern Coastline to the entire East Coast (NY to FL).

They call themselves Capitalists. African nations maintain strong, borderline subservient, geopolitical relationships with them even after the horror meted on the population. Angola to Portugal. Francophone Western and Central Africa to France. Nigeria and other Anglophone countries to the UK.

A neutral observer would think we have all of the requisite ingredients to create a prosperous broth that would have no issues whatsoever delivering everything their future puny population would need. A textbook win-win cornucopia. Packaged and delivered by the Ennead and Mount Olympus.

And yet, their policy trifecta for Africa is resource extraction, imposing alien values we don't want nor need, and an aid program they F*CKING KNOW is ineffective and a yoke. https://reliefweb.int/report/world/international-aid-africa-needs-overhaul-tips-what-needs-change

You want cheap labor? We've got it. You want a growing market to deliver your unlimited quarterly growth? We're your plug. And yet, crickets.
What we've got is the age-old divide and conquer. Funding strife. Providing a safe haven for members of the elite who adopt their finely-tuned stratagems re economic terrorism and wielding a big stick every now and then to keep them honest. And then act oblivious when all of that leads to rickety, overloaded boats of economic migrants landing on their shores.

China sauntered right into the heart of the continent. When the supernova that is our partnership begins to burn brightest and it blossoms into a full-fledged special alliance, they'd be right there itching to lecture and reprimand us. Like they're doing currently when we're only returning the favor received from the Soviets.

Personally, I don't waste my time reading their sanctimonious gospel. They can b*tch and seethe as much as they want: Demography is destiny.

-Lord

MONEY NOTHING WITHOUT LIFE Ask those that are gone to the beyond;

MONEY IS NOTHING WITHOUT PEACE Ask those rich people that commit suicide;

MONEY IS USELESS WITHOUT GOD ALMIGHTY CREATOR HELPING YOU EVEN WHEN ARE THE RICHEST

MrBrownJay1:
very foolish photo...one is about a few rich people spending their money the way they see fit; the other is about people breaking the law trying to enter countries illegally. not even remotely the same.

It isn't that simple.

The world is agog over 5 influential people that died but the death of 750 barely raises a whimper.

grandstar:
It isn't that simple.
The world is agog over 5 influential people that died but the death of 750 barely raises a whimper.

thats because the world doesnt give a fukc about 750 black/brown criminals trying to enter a country illegally. remember, what they did is a crime, regardless of the "reason why" they did it.

you are making it seem as if these refugees just started dying in the Mediterranean sea, while there are no less than a million black/brown people's corpse at the bottom of that sea. they didnt care 20yrs ago when these people were drowning by the boatload, they still didnt care 10yrs ago when the same shiit was happening, why do you think they will give a fukc today?!?

if you want to talk about this issue, then look how quickly the world was opening their doors ready to receive Ukrainian refugees, while disregarding the Syrians refugees, Ethiopian/Eritrean/Somalian refugees etc that were in the exact same predicament. these billionaires are irrelevant to the refugee issue and/or the world ignoring them.

Gerrard59:


Please the names. Already on Quora, but I don't spend too much time there. I read the SCMP and GlobalTimes for issues about China. What I read are not the developments as I know she has gone far. What I have been reading are the wailings and articles of lamentations by Westerners and seeing in broad daylight the envy and sudden hatred they have for the Chinese. I am seeing their hypocrisy in 3D as it is unfolding.

Thanks for the reply.

https://www.quora.com/profile/PC-Yu

https://www.quora.com/profile/Robert-Vannrox

https://www.quora.com/profile/Ho%C3%A0ng-Phan-34

https://www.quora.com/profile/Li-Pengii

https://www.quora.com/profile/CaiLei-2

https://www.quora.com/profile/Feng-Xian-%E9%A3%8E%E4%BB%99

https://www.quora.com/profile/Shouen-Li

https://www.quora.com/profile/Lonely-Cantonese-Sith-Lord

https://www.quora.com/profile/Ismail-Bashmori

https://qr.ae/pyM4Gs (Read this answer by Ismail, it will melt your heart about China).

LordAdam16:


Look up the population projections for 2100.

Global population at ~10B. Africa will be home to ~4B. Our share of the population will double from 17% (as of 2020) to 38%. Every other region will see a decline.

This will be the next (last?) big population explosion in history and we're on the West's doorstep. If you squint from Morocco you'll see Spain. From Libya and Tunisia, you'll see Italy. Open Google Earth. You can draw a straight line from the Morocco-Senegal Northwestern Coastline to the entire East Coast (NY to FL).

They call themselves Capitalists. African nations maintain strong, borderline subservient, geopolitical relationships with them even after the horror meted on the population. Angola to Portugal. Francophone Western and Central Africa to France. Nigeria and other Anglophone countries to the UK.

A neutral observer would think we have all of the requisite ingredients to create a prosperous broth that would have no issues whatsoever delivering everything their future puny population would need. A textbook win-win cornucopia. Packaged and delivered by the Ennead and Mount Olympus.

Mild compared to what Belgium and Germany did to both DRC and Namibia. The Germans honed their Holocaust murdering skills in Namibia. Belgium plundered DRC till they got tired.

And yet, their policy trifecta for Africa is resource extraction, imposing alien values we don't want nor need, and an aid program they F*CKING KNOW is ineffective and a yoke. https://reliefweb.int/report/world/international-aid-africa-needs-overhaul-tips-what-needs-change

You want cheap labor? We've got it. You want a growing market to deliver your unlimited quarterly growth? We're your plug. And yet, crickets.
What we've got is the age-old divide and conquer. Funding strife. Providing a safe haven for members of the elite who adopt their finely-tuned stratagems re economic terrorism and wielding a big stick every now and then to keep them honest. And then act oblivious when all of that leads to rickety, overloaded boats of economic migrants landing on their shores.

We literally have everything they need. Apart from Indonesia, Malaysia and China, most countries in Asia don't come close in the vast amounts of minerals that are in the continent. As much as the Chinese don't like black people judging from how they treated Africans in China during Covid-19, the Chinese (government nor people) enslaved Africans, plundered our resources, butchered our people and wrecked an entire race. It is why Chinese online swerve away from accusations of racism as they say, "we never enslaved black people". Their concept lies in wealth. If black countries are wealthy, blacks get respected. Otherwise, respect won't be accorded. Fair enough compared to Arabs (whose slavery continues to date) or the West.

I have always known that no one likes the black person. Even in the world's most populous black country, the inhabitants don't like themselves. It was not Chinese that flogged people who went to vote simply because they "dressed well". However, the Chinese come to the table for deals on equal terms. Suppose the other party does not negotiate as hard as they (Chinese) do, na them fvck up. I chat with them on a regular basis, and their concern is how to make money. I scratch your back, and you scratch mine. However, make sure you scratch theirs very well because they will scratch yours so hard.

China sauntered right into the heart of the continent. When the supernova that is our partnership begins to burn brightest and it blossoms into a full-fledged special alliance, they'd be right there itching to lecture and reprimand us. Like they're doing currently when we're only returning the favor received from the Soviets.

The sermons are humdrum at this stage. No one is bothered. It is easier to enter China than the US. Many small-scale entrepreneurs in Africa depend on the Chinese market for supplies and consumption. Anyone who wants to set-up a factory in any African country will rely on Chinese equipment makers, not German. The Chinese will send staff to train and upskill the workers even if the factory is in Sambisa. Germans will say no. This is assuming they even respond to emails sef. Meanwhile WeChat is there to ask the Chinese questions as e dey hot.

China opened her market to African farmers, whereas Europe blocked imports, subsidised their farmers and pushed cheap agricultural produce into Africa, thereby stifling our farmers. One would expect that you make it easier for African farmers to supply you with cheap food, mbanu! China reduced 99% tariffs on agricultural products across many sub-Saharan countries. It is left for Africans to cultivate, pass the test and ship to China. It is so easy. Na today the EU remember to sign deal with Kenya to access the EU market for 25 years. China's deal is for eternity. The question is: why now? The relationship Kenya has with the EU, or at least the UK, goes back donkey of years, but Kenya benefits more from China than the West.

If African countries and nationals miss out this access to the Chinese market or snub the Chinese, na eternal fvck up. As for demography, Europe will begin to shoot boats in broad daylight. As it is, they just observe the boats till they sink as they fight dangerous winds.

What I love about the Chinese are pragmatism, discipline, focus and sheer determination. Also, they are not hypocrites. They don't preach human rights or practice do as I say, not as I do. What you see is what you get.

pansophist:


https://www.quora.com/profile/PC-Yu

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https://qr.ae/pyM4Gs (Read this answer by Ismail, it will melt your heart about China).

The words by Ismail are emotional. Honestly, I had tears in my eyes. As a Middle Easterner, I understand what he has experienced. Even now, the effects of inflation as a result of the skirmishes in Ukraine affect them. And you know the thing? He never lied. EVERYTHING he stated is the gospel truth. Japan which was literally America's baby, got dealt with. There are times I sit back and think America was behind Abe Shinzo's murder because, in his memoir, he advised that Japanese politicians should be cautious when dealing with the Chinese. Don't make her angry because our economy depends on their growth. Since America protects us, China won't attack us. Just do business and make money. In other words, avoid anything that harms Japan's economic interests. Today, America has arm-twisted Japan to bar the sale of chip-equipment materials to China even when Japanese companies generate close to 50% of their revenues from that market alone. One chipmaking materials CEO even said it would harm Japan because now the Chinese will build it on their own and produce it at mass market prices. The stuff got me wondering, how can you refuse to sell products to your major customer because one big bros mandated you to do so? You are literally killing your economy. Chip-related products are the second major export of Japan after cars. In cars sef, the Chinese are roaring pass the Japanese. But that is on merit via electric vehicles.

Regarding electric vehicles, it makes me laugh. The West were the ones who preached it and advocated for its usage. Today, China has cornered the major resources and her automakers are now producing EVs like pure water. Damn! Would'nt you just love the pragmatism and sheer determination? I won't be surprised the West reverses the EVs idea and stick to crude oil. China must prosper because when she does, everyone does, and there are no invasions.

Na mumu dey go inside ocean, go dey find Titanic ship, they killed themselves.

Samantha124:
Those migrants are illegal, so they should tighten the borders...

Samantha i want to take you to the Atlantic Ocean on a canoe, so you can see the Bermuda Triangle.

Safety is 100%

The same Bermuda triangle where airplanes and ships disappear and never be found again? Ahh! You must be joking...

I admit that life is hard, but I never said anything about wanting to disappear and never be found again.

You can go alone and may you DIP(Disappear In Peace)..

Dshocker:


Samantha i want to take you to the Atlantic Ocean on a canoe, so you can see the Bermuda Triangle.

Safety is 100%

Samantha124:
The same Bermuda triangle where airplanes and ships disappear and never be found again? Ahh! You must be joking...

I admit that life is hard, but I never said anything about wanting to disappear and never be found again.

You can go alone and may you DIP(Disappear In Peace)..

That is why the journey will be adventurously interesting.

Always try something new.

You fear too much.