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Kukutenla:
You left Christianity for Islam. How's that a good thing? Islam is just another form of Judaism, same Judaism Christ came to save Israel from.
So are you progressing or retrogressing?

Gajagojo:
Judaism is not for everyone that is the fundamental difference with Him Islam

You cannot BECOME a Jew by conversion that is why it was necessary to invent Islam

Why was it necessary to invent Christianity?

FxMasterz:
I can see that you're already deep in white garment practices. You're probably a strong leader there. Nothing I tell you would move you because your belief in the things you do is deeply entrenched.

Now, let me answer your Questions.

1. The raised hands of Moses was what God intended to use at that point in time to bring victory to Israel. God wanted him in one way or the other to participate in that battle and make the Israelites know for certain that their swords was not responsible for their victory.

Psalm 44:3

For they got not the land in possession by their own sword, neither did their own arm save them: but thy right hand, and thine arm, and the light of thy countenance, because thou hadst a favour unto them."

The message was very clear. Moses also got to understand that he is not self-sufficient. Take note of the fact that it was just a one-time occurrence. It never happened again. They didn't make it a rule for regular war practice. It was simply a message and it remained so. Do not compare this event with regular practices of the white garment churches.

2. When Elisha told the king Jehoash to hit the ground with his arrows in 2kings 13, remember that in verse 16, the prophet put his hands on the king's hands. This is the important part of that passage because the prophet was about to give the king a prophetic prayer that he was not worthy of. The king like his father was not serving God but he wanted to benefit from God. Rather than issue him a word of prophesy for Victory, the prophet can only offer up prophetic prayers and he must use his own hands to decide his own fate. That's exactly what happened. Any victory the king got was not because he was worthy but because God decided to overlook his deeds and have respect to the prophet and his anointing. However, by striking the ground just 3 times, he sealed his own fate. This does not justify anything that white garment churches do.

3. Jesus spitting on the ground was as He was directed to do at that particular moment for that particular man. The man was born blind. Tradition has it that he did not even have eyes. As in there were no eyes in those sockets. It was all skin covering that part of his face. The miracle in that John 10 was a special miracle. Jesus was literally creating new eyes in order to give sight to that man. What He did there was as instructed by the Holy Spirit. Remember He said, "I can of my own self do nothing." The actions were just for that particular occasion. The disciples who took up the ministry after Christ didn't make anything of it. Their activities are fully recorded in the book of Acts. They never had to indulge in any of those things you guys do to cast out devils, heal the sick, make the lame to walk or even raise the dead. The church had existed for almost 2,000yrs before white garment churches came into being. Those practices of yours never existed in christiendom. What do you think you know better than the Apostles?

Jesus is our ultimate example, and the Bible is our guide. Do it the way they did it. You would have the same results they had. It's just as simple as that. Why burn candles or wash anyone's head in rivers? Are you herbalists?

4. The blood flow from the woman with the issue of blood was not responsible for drawing power from the Lord Jesus. It was her faith. Through her faith, power was released from the Lord for her healing, and Christ knew that power got out of Him. Her menstrual blood didn't defile Jesus or spoil His anointing. I'm aware that you guys have
certain restrictions for women during their mensural periods. Like a herbalist, you think a touch from them would spoil things. It was not so with Christ. He was glad the woman touched Him. He approved of the touch and said "daughter, be not afraid, your faith has made you whole." If mensuration does not constitute a pollution to the Apostles of Christ (Acts 15}, why should it matter to any part of the body of Christ? Except that part has another Lord which is not Jesus.

See, the Bible is plain and straight forward. Trying to use unrelated scriptures to justify weird practices does not bring you into any good standing before God.

Even Paul who brought the gospel to us gentiles said be ye my imitators as I am of Christ Jesus. 1Cor. 11;1-2 (Paraphrased).

Tell me who you're imitating with your strange practices because it's obviously not the Lord Jesus, neither Paul nor any of the Apostles of the Lamb.

Didijiji:
what are you saying?

Anas09:
Guy, go and fine out about the root of where you come from. Don't wait to die before you regret

Kukutenla:
Again. Ignorance. You can become a Jew by conversion. Go and read Exodus and more importantly, the book of Joshua.
Islam was invented by an Arab not a Jew. So i don't see how it can be an upgraded version of Jewish religion.

Christianity was "invented" because Judaism ultimately failed to bring man closer to God. All the ceremonial laws and practices ended up polluted and the levies corrupted the service.

Gajagojo:
You are ignorant no it is you who s ignorantYou are ignorant no it is you who s ignorantYou are ignorant no it is you who s ignorantYou are ignorant no it is you who s ignorantYou are ignorant no it is you who s ignorantYou are ignorant no it is you who s ignorant

Is rather pointless for any person with wisdom

God is also an invention so you really do not have insight

You believe what you are good and cannot price and go around abusing those who don't agree

I have read the Book of Joshua and Exodus ,The Qur'an an others they are all invention

paxonel:
My question about white garments is, what are the significance of the white garments and walking bare foot on streets?

And, is it really true that white garment churches put people's names in a bottle of ogogoro and cause them to behave drunk according to what that pastor said?

bunlizlaw:
Hey you, know this, I will not die but live to declare the works of God. Don't sweat it, I'm no longer a Celestial.

I don't have your time as it appears our time zone is different.I won't respond to you again. Peace out

Gajagojo:
I have not sinned and have not fallen

If you choose to be brainwashed that is for you

Didijiji:
hahahahha

It is well with you. You that know there is a marine demon. We don’t know,we don’t care to know

We don’t worship what we don’t know

Jesus Christ is Lord

Anas09:
Jesus Christ the Lord commanded that sacrifices be taken to the rivers abi? Be deceiving yasefs inside this late hour.

When you hear 'Jesus is coming soon' you think it's a joke.

Kukutenla:
Your opinion. Every belief of humans can be claimed to be an invention by those to choose not to believe.
You simply can't allocate to yourself the authority to decide what's an invention and what isn't

Gajagojo:
It is no authority

The onus to pro e a thing is incumbent on those who declare it
Anything you cannot prove is fiction,fantasy or make believe

Kukutenla:
Can you prove that you breath in oxygen and breath out carbon dioxide?

Annahh:
White garment churches draw their power from Water spirits, that's why most of them are located near a river.

Nauttyprof:
Please, don't misinterpret the Bible to satisfy your thought or stand. John 15:15 clearly stated that He has made known all things He received from the Father. Does this not in a way contradict what was said in JOHN 16 as John 15:15 comes before John 16? Context is always important in understanding the author's intended meaning and not your imposed meaning on the Bible. The focus is not teaching something new outside the scripture but having the Holy Spirit give a better understanding as to what has been written and said of Jesus and His mission on earth. Remember it says 'the Holy Spirit will guide you in ALL THE TRUTH' Meaning the truth has been established and all we need is a better understanding and not something new.

God is not the author of confusion and will not contradict what has been said in His book. Please, don't turn the Bible upside down just to satisfy your stand.

AfonjaScud:
And have you not interpreted to suit your own whims ? There lied the problem, back and forth.

Please what is your understanding of
1 Conr. 12 vs 4 - 7 ?

otipoju:
You are extremely ignorant.

A. Israel was at war and as long as Moses hands were raised up...the battle would be in their favor, when his hands came down they would start loosing. So to they hand men hold his hands up until they utterly defeated their enemies.

Question: what is the correlation between raining or lowering of a mans hands with winning a battle.

B. The prophet told the king to hit the ground with his stick. The King hit it lightly just 3 times. The prophet admonished him saying had he hit the ground hard like 5 to 7 times, his enemies would have been defeated completely.

What is the correlation between physically hitting a stick on the ground at all with defeating ones enemies in a war.

C. Jesus spat on the ground, made a paste of mud and rubbed it on a blind man's eyes and told him to go wash. The man did as Jesus commanded and his eyes became opened.


Question: what has spit and mud and washing off with water got to do with a opening of a blind eye...especially if Jesus could simply command the eyes to be opened like he told Lazurus to come forth from the tomb or "speak the word " while in a different city and Jarius the Roman's daughter to be restored.

D. What is so powerful about a females menstrual blood that it could drain so much power from Jesus that he noticed immediately even though the large crowd was swirling around him and touching him.


If you can explain these then we might have a conversation about Christianity and faith...until then sit down and keep quiet.

The problem with you Pentecostal novices is that you think you know it all...whereas you and your so called "man made gods " know next to nothing about Spirituality.

What anointing do I need to fall under if your prayer is to God. Leave all that nonsense gimmicks to one side.

You guys blab unintelligible nonsense under the guise of speaking in tounges.

...whereas the real speaking in tounges is to speak in foreign language that its native speakers can understand...but the person speaking did not learn and may not even understand the language.

Is that not what happened on the day of Pentecost as described in the Acts of the Apostles? So where did you guys get your shekerebo booo madraka sunda from ?

Go and sit down somewhere and stop deceiving yourself.

Didijiji:
Please keep shut!

Have you ever taken me or escorted me to the river to do any sacrifice?

If i say may God judge you for this lie now, it will sound extreme.

Any way it doesn't still change the fact that JESUS CHRIST IS THE LORD

FxMasterz:
If you read your Bible, you wouldn't even mention the issue of water baptism where Jesus got baptised by John.

The man Jesus healed by the pool of Bethesda, was Jesus the one who put Him there? Jesus met him there for crying out loud. And he was there only because angels stirred the water occasionally. Do you mean angels stir the waters you guys bath in? Or perhaps the soap you use in washing your heads also fell from heaven?

Anas09:
You can shut me up all you want, but the fact remains that White Garment churches worship the Leviathan. And
, Yes Jesus Christ is always Lord with or without us

Baolak:
Seriously?!

Why are you people so daft? The man took His precious time to explain some white garment doctrines with evidences in the bible which you initially claimed where unbiblicall, yet you had the audacity to still be twisting events?
Unfortunately the more you do the more you sound like a programmed customer care robbot.

FxMasterz:
Wow, you're very knowledgeable about these white garment churches. So, it was a snake with human head that commissioned Orimolade? Wonders shall never end. That's surely a demonic commissioning. Thank you for the enlightenment. Meanwhile, the ignorant members would be looking for scriptures to back up those weird encounters. They'll start turning the word of God upside down and start misinterpreting scriptures.

There's a white garment church that pulled out from C&S. They're called Movement. I don't know much about them but they don't burn candies, go to rivers or do incantations. I visited one of their pastors some years ago and was shocked to see Kenneth Hagin's books on his table. I'm not conversant with their entire doctrines and activities but I know they're different.

Please tell me more about how Cele was founded. I'll really appreciate it. I think it's high time I started researching deeply into these things.

Didijiji:
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FxMasterz:
[/quote]You have explained nothing with your predictable, shallow minded robotic response!...

If you're still saying this after we explained the biblical context of the verses he quoted for him, then I don't know what else. We don't do things just because they're done in the Bible, otherwise we should also justify you if you start killing rams and goats to make sacrifices (this was also done in the Bible, you know?).

BiiDii:
Guy you are the most gullible fellow I've ever seen online, so you believe this, your type are the reason pastor/motivational speakers are crashing out steadily.

Baolak:
You have explained nothing with your predictable, shallow minded robotic response!...

If you're still saying this after we explained the biblical context of the verses he quoted for him, then I don't know what else. We don't do things just because they're done in the Bible, otherwise we should also justify you if you start killing rams and goats to make sacrifices (this was also done in the Bible, you know?).

😂😂 😂
Your hypocrisy is top notch but am not surprised though.... So you finally agree our mode of worship is biblical. However, According to you and 'and your kind' we should disperse something's in the bible just because you 'think' its old school , and not 'modern'... Even though our lord Jesus never condemned or advocated such? Like seriously? Who do una this thing?

God is a dispensational God.
The old testament dispensation has passed and we're now in the new.

God done become two categories now; Old God and New God innit? Lol just LOOOL 😂😂😂


If those things white garment churches practice were not practiced by Jesus, His disciples, the church fathers and the whole generation of Christians for 2,000yrs before white garment churches were ever formed, what makes such things relevant now? There's no room for such weird practices in this New testament dispensation. That's why I asked, what does bathing in a river do for you, that the name of Jesus cannot do? He couldn't answer that, maybe you can help him.


HE ( OTIPOJU ) ANSWERED YOU SEVERALLY , EVEN WITH GLARING BIBLICAL VERSES, BUT YOU ARE SO SHALLOW MINDED TO DISCERN!
I won't stoop so low to your level dragging back and forth.
Don't you know you're fetish?


Looks fetish to you, however i am enjoying the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ and the holy spirit way more than you and your 'kinds' with my 'FETISH WAYS'.
Na you they speak shibaraba... Na me they enjoy Jesus Christ spiritually and physically, WHAT AN IRONY!

BiiDii:
Guy you are the most gullible fellow I've ever seen online, so you believe this, your type are the reason pastor/motivational speakers are crashing out steadily.

FxMasterz:
What are you angry about? Can you please tell me why Jesus, the apostles and the church of Christ never practice your occuituc mode of prayers? You burn candles, bath in rivers and make sacrifices and night, burning incense and the other weird things you do which are clearly unbiblical. Your friends never explained any biblical context of the Bible events. They only pointed that those things happened in the Bible, and I explained the Biblical context of the references. Do yiu really mean that a woman's menses drained Jesus of power? Laughable!! Of course, you don't know Jesus!

There's no need to drag issues with you. Just answer the question: What can rivers, candles, incense, etc do for you that the name of Jesus cannot do? Why avoiding the question?