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Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Treasure17(m): 6:20pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Akaegwu: |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Treasure17(m): 6:21pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Enlightened. |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 6:25pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: You are clearly not well. Answer the questions with exact replies and quit being evasive! How exactly, in the name of Cain, did Azikiwe impose his stance on Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo? Answer this question now! |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 6:29pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Ugwuoke347: The rule of the Lancaster Conferences was that no change could be made to the status quo without unanimous consent. Put another way - at the Lancaster Conferences, every party to the negotiations had VETO POWER over any point of negotiation. This means that when Zik objected to Awo's proposal for a Constitutional Secession Clause and rejected the Sarduana's move for Northern Independence, those measures could not go forward. I hope that's enough of a direct clarification. I don't know what else to say, except maybe look up the meaning of the world "veto". Thanks and Good Luck to Nigerians. 1 Like |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 6:43pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Your response reeks of intellectual dishonesty of monstrous proportion! So all the parties had a right to veto any proposal before it is solidified as a resolution, right? And yet Azikiwe managed to impose his stance on Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo! Don't you see how you discredit your own submission with that line of imagination? Yes, it is imagination because what you have said cannot be validly pursued along the lines of critical examination! If Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo each reserved the right of veto as much as Nnamdi Azikiwe at the Lancaster meetings, how then was it possible for one man to impose his stance on others who would have easily used their veto power to resist any form of bullying? Who exactly in Hell stopped them from exercising their right of veto? Who? What? How? And when exactly were Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo restrained from insisting on vetoing the proposal to keep secession clause out of the emerging federal constitution of the Nigerian State? |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Akaegwu(m): 6:48pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Read the post slowly to clear your doubts. UMUAZEE: |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 6:51pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Ugwuoke347: Sorry that was the rule, no vex abeg Good Luck and have a good day. |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by ProphetAmos: 6:51pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Finally I see a post that clarifies this topic that has confused me for so long. Bless up OP |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Renwess: 6:51pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Education is a continuous event. Imagine that I have spent 30 years plus on earth I didn't know this ... 1 Like |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Michael213: 7:08pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
That's true 👍 |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Yujin(m): 7:13pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie:I'm beginning to doubt your claims of being Igbo because your thought process is really flawed. You claimed to have discussed with the Eze of Agbor Dr. Edozien whereas no title like that ever existed. I wonder whatever fallacy you've been saying here. I repeat, Nnamdi Azikiwe couldn't have imposed his argument for a united country on the others. His reasons were and can still be understood. Africans need to stick together so our voice can have more impact. If Nigeria had worked, he will be celebrated as a hero. It's unfortunate that it never worked as those who insist on ruling her are bereft of the ideas needed to make her work. The idea of a united Nigeria wasn't a bad one. 1 Like |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 7:16pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: You must be one mean and cold-hearted person. You accuse the whole Igbo Nation of being responsible for the emergence of a Nigerian federation built on forced unity which was made possible by Azikiwe's insistence on keeping secession clause out of the emerging federal constitution of the Nigerian State during the Lancaster meetings, and yet you have failed to say in clear terms how Azikiwe managed to impose his stance on Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo. How unconscionable can you be? Do you think this corner of the cyberspace is a playground where you can splash about in the mud of unreality by peddling untruths and tissues of your own vain analysis just in a bid to sound woke so as to pass off as one fantastically objective Igbo man who sees history from a very special prism of objectivity! Look, you must be very careful with the things you say. Don't you ever again accuse your own people falsely through a shallow presentation of historical narratives distorted out of tune and context by mischief makers and revisionists who are sworn opponents of truth and objectivity! Objectivity is clearly far away from you. That much is obvious from all you have written here. You want to impress some entities, right? You want to gain the admiration and acclamation of those who bitterly range themselves and their positions against your own brothers just so as to market yourself as woke and upright? Don't you see the oddity and hollowness concealed in the submission you have made here? I am pushing back these words again to you. And don't you ever cut them by half again. Look here again, and consider well: Your response reeks of intellectual dishonesty of monstrous proportion! So all the parties had a right to veto any proposal before it is solidified as a resolution, right? And yet Azikiwe managed to impose his stance on Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo! Don't you see how you discredit your own submission with that line of imagination? Yes, it is imagination because what you have said cannot be validly pursued along the lines of critical examination! If Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo each reserved the right of veto as much as Nnamdi Azikiwe at the Lancaster meetings, how then was it possible for one man to impose his stance on others who would have easily used their veto power to resist any form of bullying? Who exactly in Hell stopped them from exercising their right of veto? Who? What? How? And when exactly were Ahmadu Bello and Obafemi Awolowo restrained from insisting on vetoing the proposal to keep secession clause out of the emerging federal constitution of the Nigerian State? Answer these questions now, and stop being recklessly bold with falsehoods! 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Akaegwu(m): 7:20pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
phemmyfour:Mr original, continue. |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Telsa(m): 7:30pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Thanks for this explanation. |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 7:58pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Ugwuoke347: Again, as I've stated before, the Lancaster House rules were that there could be no *change to the current state of things* without unanimous consent. I was gonna write "status quo" but I thought you were going to accuse me of obfuscation and diversion By the way, when the Sarduana and the North REJECTED Nigerian independence prior to 1960, it must have been based on the same rule. Remember, Zik, Enahoro and probably Awolowo all wanted independence prior to 1960 and the North objected. Veto power at work. So I'm sorry to be the bearer of the news, that was the rule. I completely understand your reaction because I almost went crazy when I learned the history. I developed a profound resentment against Nigeria as a whole because it wasn't just about the Igbo. Most of us have grown up being fed convenient LIES about Nigeria but the case of the Igbo is the most brazen and psychologically damaging. And I'm not writing to please anyone. ALL Nigerians have EVOLVED into an evil, parasitic and wicked people, most especially Nigerian university graduates. The TRIBES of Nigeria were good people, but the Nigerian people are bad. There's a difference, most Nigerians are running away from their tribes in order to become Nigerian. They want to become Nigerians because of MONEY, that's the reason the vast majority of Nigerians have became Christians and Muslims, to fit into the cosmology of Nigerianity. The Nigerian people are like a family where the children turn on the parents with extreme physical & psychological violence....because their parents are poorer than the parents of a neighboring family. They invite the richer neighbors to pillage their family home in return for getting a small share of the loot. Here's a hint - do you know of ANY person who served in any State House of Assembly, State High Court or Federal Supreme Court, National Assembly or in any State or Federal Cabinet in Nigeria who is NOT Christian or Muslim? Do you know any such person who is a publicly declared adherent of a Native tribal religion such as Ifa or Odinani? I think it's strange. How about you? Nigerians need to start thinking about what their country represents. The lack of introspection and unwillingness to face the truth it might reveal is why Nigeria is the Poverty Capital of the World. Good Luck to all of you. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Uchedizzy(f): 8:05pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Great info |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 8:14pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Get out of here at once! It is useless talking with a mugu like you. See how you have been beating about the bush multiplying words for nothing. Get out of here now! 1 Like |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 8:36pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Uchedizzy: You're welcome Ugwuoke347: Typical Nigerian Good Luck to you all. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by tommy589(m): 8:38pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Learning more about Nigeria and the many evils of the colonialist |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by phemmyfour: 8:44pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Akaegwu:You better learn before it's too late for you...what a lazy generation |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 8:48pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Yeah, that's right. Typically Biafran! That's what I am. Thank you very much, Mr Okehie for waxing so pure in that recognition. 1 Like |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 8:48pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
tommy589: Yes the British did a lot of evil to the Black African. However, the EVIDENCE is that the British people have repented their sins because they've realized the enormity of the wrongs they perpetrated. Today I'm a great admirer of the British people, particularly the English. England is the last major redoubt of pure freedom and democracy in the world today. The real problem in Nigeria today is that the EDUCATED Nigerian wants to continue implementing the Colonial Framework so they can get some unearned money. Similar to the Christianity thing and homosexuality. The British who brought Christianity to Nigeria have allowed same sex marriage into their Churches but we second hand Black African Christians can't extend such tolerance. Not just that, the British outlawed slavery loooong ago but Black Africans are still selling themselves to Arabs in Libya and Mauritania today in 2023. Good Luck to Nigerians. |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 8:50pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Yujin: Zik didn't impose anything on anyone, he just followed the rules of the Lancaster Conference. Sheesh, is this too hard to understand? You do know you can go find the history on the internet, right? As for his Pan Africanism, it was naive and it was actually NOT the reason the Igbo insisted on One Nigeria at that time. Is Yujin or whatever an Igbo name? Is it that ALL Igbo people have the SAME thinking on everything? Black people are very toxic I swear. No civilized person should ascribe opinions to anyone on basis of any group identity. Especially when you can COMMUNICATE with them and find out their REASONING and logic. Forming opinions based on group identity is the most primitive from of thinking. You Nigerians had better get to civilization before you're completely left behind. Ugwuoke347: Talking of Biafra, I would advise you to take on a completely open mind and read the Ahiara Declaration again...that's if you've ever read it. Good Luck to Nigerians. 1 Like |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 9:03pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: Why, I have read the Ahiara Declaration repeatedly. I have it in both hard and soft copies. What point are you trying to push now? Do you want to commence another line of falsification of history? |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 9:09pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: So to you, the British Imperialists have repented from the manifold atrocities they perpetrated against African nations? How naive can you be? You clearly have no idea of the role the British government plays today in deciding the policy directions of successive Nigerian governments including the one currently in place. You think your Nigeria is totally free? How unmindful can you be? |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 9:14pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Ugwuoke347: In the very comment you're replying to, I wrote: The real problem in Nigeria today is that the EDUCATED Nigerian wants to continue implementing the Colonial Framework so they can get some unearned money. I think that covers your concern. Try and read carefully so you can comprehend. I can see now why you've missed the message in the Ahiara Declaration despite repeated reading. Nigerian education does leave a lot undone. Good Luck with all that. |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Ugwuoke347(m): 9:33pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: You are a big loser for whatever kind of education you managed to get from wherever. The poverty of that education is being seen in your comments. You are very unaware of the fact that as a matter of political doctrine of the Nigerian State, Britain is a key player and a directly interested party in Nigeria's political administration. If you do not know that the British government has high stakes in Nigeria's economy through the oil companies where it controls the major shares, and through which it influences Nigeria's presidency in making economic decisions; if you do not know that there is a system of British economic imperialism in place today in Nigeria, If you have never known this with all your made-in-China education, then you need to return to the classroom at once and repeat all your lessons! You speak of educated Nigerians refusing to put an end to what has come to be the status quo? As "educated" as you are what has stopped you from taking the lead and deciding to be that saviour to do the very needful in service to your nation? |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 10:01pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
gidgiddy: Very, very true. The bolded is where the Igbo like to start their history of Nigeria The Fulani-Yoruba Alliance essentially figured out what the Igbo had tried to do and decided to do it for themselves! That's the reason the Yoruba in particular don't like to challenge the Igbo on the Igbo role in starting Nigeria down the path to Unitary Government!!! Or maybe Nigerians are just stupid people with short term memory problems? This may not be directly related, but check this out....do people still remember that Muhammadu Buhari incited his supporters to violence after he lost the 2011 elections? The most prominent victims of that violence were a group of 25 or so NYSC poll workers. The majority of the victims were Yoruba graduates. I remember counting and I think it was 75% of them that were Yoruba. Yet 4 years later the Yoruba people were the vanguard of support for Buhari's Presidential campaign. I was awe struck. All Nigerians care about is money. Kill their mother and give them money, you're forgiven. Poverty na bad thing! Read and laugh. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/31/nigeria-elections-president-muhammadu-buhari-lola-shoneyin There was even one Yoruba guy that Buhari KILLED his father ILLEGALLY, if you remember the Bar Beach drug executions? The son of the victim came out and campaigned for Buhari in 2015. You have to ask what is wrong with them. And how they feel now Good Luck to Nigerians...you people have a problem for sure! |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by tommy589(m): 10:12pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie: You take me back to my primary school history class with this word outlawed. Going back in time also occurs when I hear ethnic cleansing,civil war, marginalisation etc. Whatever their unrequested mission here or intervention in nation building is,it is now zero But it gladdens my heart knowing their countries demography would soon massively change with blacks, Arabs and Asian citizenship |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 10:41pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
tommy589: First of all, what has ANY Black African resident in Africa ever invented? Just name ONE single important thing we have GIVEN to this world. Ordinary WHEEL, we didn't have it till Oyibo brought it to us. Don't worry, they're already thinking ahead of you. That's why they refused to join the Euro currency waaay back in the 1990's and saved their economy and now they've done Brexit to curtail immigration that the EU was trying to force on them. Right now, today, over 85% of the UK population is White and I think over 80% is English tribe. The English have vast experience dealing with all kinds of nations, races and tribes. Also I'm curious as to why people discount the Anglo-Western nations of USA, NZ, Australia and South Africa and Canada when discussing the UK, I think that's actually where the English tribe has diversified and built safeguards or alternative scenarios. Very soon they'll be building colonies in space and Black Africans will be begging for visa to Mars. You can't beat the English. I'm confident they've seen it all and they KNOW about your kind of attitude. None of us alive today will live to see the day England will be poor or under the control of uncivilized people. Just as no one ever lost money betting against Nigeria, you will always win betting with the Anglos. Las las, they have nukes and you have not, ask Sultan Attahiru ,Anyhow at most 130 years for everyone and it's good bye to the world and its problems. Good Luck to everyone sha. |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by IbeOkehie: 10:59pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
Renwess: You're welcome!!! Good Luck to Nigerians! |
Re: Difference Between England, Uk, Great Britain And Northern Ireland. by Yujin(m): 11:11pm On Sep 04, 2023 |
IbeOkehie:Since he followed the rules of the conference, then why blame him? You think you're smart but unfortunately, I spotted holes in your claims and I deciphered you aren't who you claim you were hence I alluded to your thought process being 'unIgbo'. Of course, everyone from an ethnic group can't reason exactly alike but the stream of thought will still bear markers that share some resemblance especially when you grew up in the midst of your people. You failed the test just like your so called discussion with the Eze of Agbor, Dr. Edozien. You claimed it wasn't Pan-Africanism that was behind Zik's quest for a united Nigeria. I now ask you to state what you thought was his reason or like Igbo haters will always do; what was the reason behind all Igbos wanting a united Nigeria at the time other ethnic groups didn't key into it? Finally, my choice of a moniker i immaterial to our discussion so look for something tangible and use as a come back. |
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