Maynman:

You are contradicting yourself.
You said the factory was built by mass/matter from the source, and this source is the owner of the factory, what exactlywas built then, the creator is same with the creation.

In Which scenario is energy used but the source is no where to be found but "outside".

I am struggling to understand what you fail to understand.

I have reviewed your questions and corresponding responses, I can't see where I contradict myself.

KnownUnknown:


After “deeper look”, magic and supernatural nonsense still don’t explain anything.

Do you think your failure to provide what makes sense makes any sense?

Freksy:


Do you think your failure to provide what makes sense makes any sense?

Makes more sense than anything you are able to provide.

Freksy:


I am struggling to understand what you fail to understand.

I have reviewed your questions and corresponding responses, I can't see where I contradict myself.

You are the one that don't understand your obvious jargons.
You said the factory and materials is from mass/matter and it from energy, and energy is from the source.
So who is this source (factory and materials)?
Who is the factory owner?
If the creation and creator is the same, what was created?

Maynman:

You are the one that don't understand your obvious jargons.
You said the factory and materials is from mass/matter and it from energy, and energy is from the source.
So who is this source (factory and materials)?
Who is the factory owner?
If the creation and creator is the same, what was created?

Can you quote where I said the creation and creator are the same?

Every factory is owned by someone.

The earth as a giant factory belongs to someone too.

Freksy:


Can you quote where I said the creation and creator are the same?

Every factory is owned by someone.

The earth as a giant factory belongs to someone too.
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Where did I say you said it, didn't you see question mark lol

The materials used to build a factory, the materials used Inside a factory is sourced from someone outside the factory owner.
Where did the factory owner gets his raw materials?

KnownUnknown:


Makes more sense than anything you are able to provide.

When you walk blindly to a busy superhighway believing BY CHANCE you won't get knocked down, I will believe your nonsense.

Cause a nuclear bang in your community to prove BY BLIND CHANCE thinks will get organized, then I will know you make more sense.

Maynman:

Where did I say you said it, didn't you see question mark lol

The materials used to build a factory, the materials used Inside a factory is sourced from someone outside the factory owner.
Where did the factory owner gets his raw materials?

When I brought in Einstein's equation I simply took you to when nothing physical was in existence to point to you why the raw materials for building the factory, and that used in the factory, shouldn't be a problem.

From a tremendous energy, mass/ matter can be produced. (Einstein's equation)

Who is the source of the energy that lead to the production of the raw materials, mass/matter? It's still the factory owner. He produced everything, including the factory that is now on auto. Is he inside the factory? Not necessarily!

Freksy:


When I brought in Einstein's equation I simply took you to when nothing physical was in existence to point to you why the raw materials for building the factory, and that used in the factory, shouldn't be a problem.

From a tremendous energy, mass/ matter can be produced. (Einstein's equation)

Who is the source of the energy that lead to the production of the raw materials, mass/matter? It's still the factory owner. He produced everything, including the factory that is now on auto. Is he inside the factory? Not necessarily!

If the factory and the factory owner is the same thing, what was created?
The factory is the factory owner, the creation is the creator and vice versa.
How can the factory whose source is the factory owner be outside it

Maynman:

If the factory and the factory owner is the same thing, what was created?
The factory is the factory owner, the creation is the creator and vice versa.
How can the factory whose source is the factory owner be outside it

1. A possessor (source) of energy used the energy to produce raw materials. (Einstein's equation)

2. Used the raw materials to produce a factory

3. Provided the raw materials for also use in the factory for production and reproduction.

The planet earth is a giant factory. You and I are on it and where reproduced.

No factory is the same as its owner.

Freksy:


1. A possessor (source) of energy used the energy to produce raw materials. (Einstein's equation)

2. Used the raw materials to produce a factor

3. Provided the raw material for also use in the factory for production and reproduction.

The planet earth is a giant factory. You and I are on it and where roduced.

No factory is the same as its owner.

A source of energy used itself to produce itself, the factory is the source, the source is the factory.
Read what you wrote. E equals Factory/Raw materials. The only thing there is, is ENERGY.

Maynman:

A source of energy used itself to produce itself, the factory is the source, the source is the factory.
Read what you wrote. E equals what?

If the sun is the source of energy used to produce an ice block, does it mean the sun is an ice block, or the ice block is the sun?

If you are described as a possessor of energy, or a source of energy, it does not mean you are the energy itself, or what you accomplish with the energy.

Expression in bold is yours. My submission is explicit and unambiguous.

Freksy:


If the sun is the source of energy used to produce an ice block, does it mean the sun is an ice block, or the ice block is the sun?

If you are described as a possessor of energy, or a source of energy, it does not mean you are the energy itself, or what you accomplish with the energy.

Expression in bold is yours. My submission is explicit and unambiguous.

How do you use sun to produce ice block, and you have added another maker of ice block, And it does not correlate, energy is all there is, so both sun and ice block are energy. Have you forgotten einstein's equation, stick to it.
If I am describe as a possessor of my phone it is different from me, and I didn't create my phone, it will work with or without me.
Everything is Energy.
Einstein said, “Everything is energy and that’s all there is to it"

This possessor must not have energy then and must not be existing. Does this possessor need Energy?
Energy is Existence.

Maynman:

How do you use sun to produce ice block, and you have added another maker of ice block, And it does not correlate, energy is all there is, so both sun and ice block are energy.

I used that for explanation purpose.

Have you forgotten einstein's equation, stick to it.
If I am describe as a possessor of my phone it is different from me, and I didn't create my phone, it will work with or without me.
Everything is Energy.
Einstein said, “Everything is energy and that’s all there is to it"

Quote in bold does not mean that literally you are energy. Rather you are made up of energy. Everything is composed of energy - existing at d/f level and in d/f form.

This possessor must not have energy then and must not be existing. Does this possessor need Energy?
Energy is Existence.

Energy is a possession. Einstein alluded to that He described E as the kinetic energy OF the BODY.

Freksy:


I used that for explanation purpose.



Quote in bold does not mean that literally you are energy. Rather you are made up of energy. Everything is composed of energy - existing at d/f level and in d/f form.



Energy is a possession. Einstein alluded to that He described E as the kinetic energy OF the BODY.

Energy is existence, I am not made of energy, no one is made of energy, I am LITERALLY energy itself, and the whole universe is the energy. Energy is neither created or destroy, don't forget this equation too.
You are made mostly of water.

Energy is not just Kinectic, we have mechanical energy, energy at rest.
It seems you think energy is an object that is been possesed by a possesor lol

Again, energy which is vibration is Existence.

Freksy:


Quote in bold does not mean that literally you are energy. Rather you are made up of energy. Everything is composed of energy - existing at d/f level and in d/f form.

Is the factory owner not made of energy?

Maynman:

Energy is existence, I am not made of energy, I am LITERALLY energy itself, and the whole universe is the energy.

Ok sir. You know yourself better than I do.

Energy is not just Kinectic,

Nobody said so. I told you earlier they exist in different forms and at different levels.

What is Kinetic energy?

Kinetic energy is the energy an object has because of its motion.

In the above definition of kinetic energy, an object is said to have energy, true or false?

we have mechanical energy, energy at rest.

What is this energy at rest? It's potential energy.

Potential energy is the latent energy in an object at rest, and is one of two forms of energy. The other form, kinetic energy, is the energy expressed by an object in motion, as earlier explained.

From the definition of potential energy above, there is energy in an object, true or false?

It seems you think energy is an object that is been possesed by a possesor lol

Objects possess energy. Refute the definitions above let see.

It seems you think objects do not possess energy lol

, energy which is vibration is Existence.

Vibration energy is a form of kinetic energy.

Sound energy is vibration energy.

Energy in molecule due to vibrations of its atoms is also vibration energy. Yes, even molecule posseses energy too...at d/f levels

There is an ultimate source of energy that is inherent in every objects.

Freksy:
There is an ultimate source of energy that is inherent in every objects.

What is this ultimate source of energy?

Freksy:



Objects possess energy. Refute the definitions above let see.

It seems you think objects do not possess energy lol



Vibration energy is a form of kinetic energy.

Sound energy is vibration energy.

Energy in molecule due to vibrations of its atoms is also vibration energy. Yes, even molecule posseses energy too...at d/f levels

Not just myself, but everything is energy, again, energy is existence. You can be a bye product of energy that's fine.

Energy is not an object that can be posses, and all object which is matter is energy, read again.
Energy is not an object that can posses.

The idea of the fall, all forms of working energy must be in motion to work, repose and movement.
Everything is ENERGY, and it's in two forms, waves and particles.

Freksy:
There is an ultimate source of energy that is inherent in every objects.

False, everything is energy, there is no source, the whole existence is the source.

Maynman:

Not just myself, but everything is energy, again, energy is existence. You can be a bye product of energy that's fine.

Energy is not an object that can be posses, and all object which is matter is energy, read again.
Energy is not an object that can posses.

The idea of the fall, all forms of working energy must be in motion to work, repose and movement.
Everything is ENERGY, and it's in two forms, waves and particles.

I expected you to refute what the kinetic and potential energies are said to be and render them in ways that buttress you stance.

Einstein even described E in his equation as energy OF the body, behold you are still arguing.

Telling me "Everything is ENERGY" sounds like saying Lionel Messi is football - Metaphoric.

Maynman:

False, everything is energy, there is no source, the whole existence is the source.

True and convincing, thanks.

Freksy:


I expected you to refute what the kinetic and potential energies are said to be and render them in ways that buttress you stance.

Einstein even described E in his equation as energy OF the body, behold you are still arguing.

Telling me "Everything is ENERGY" sounds like saying Lionel Messi is football - Metaphoric.

You gave a basic definition of kinectic and mechanic energy, what's there to refute.

Didnt einstein say everything is Energy?

Both messi, ball, pitch, fans are all energy, lol. use another analogy

Freksy:


True and convincing, 6thanks.

Also know that universe simply means existence.
Who created existence? Existence maker😂😂

And you can't have existence without non Existence,just like front and back
You are welcome

LordReed:


What is this ultimate source of energy?

CHANCE

Freksy:


CHANCE

How is CHANCE the ultimate source of energy?

Freksy:


Einstein even described E in his equation as energy OF the body, behold you are still arguing.

Show me where he said this,thank you.

Wilgrea7:


Affirmative

So you completed the spectrum. Interesting…
Like I said in that thread, agnosticism is a spectrum with you on the atheist end of it while AOO1, Triplechoice, Workch and that op scattered on it. That op in that thread is at the theist end. And also this op: A step away from theism

gisevak:

Consciousness is a state of awareness of one's surroundings and inner thoughts, but goes beyond just be awake.

Ok so we weren't born with consciousness then. We 'grew' into it

gisevak:

The evidence of a creator is in the creation, except you would tell me creation can exist without a creator. Nature and its laws are its evidence we cannot just reject. Can you address the subject of discussion?

You carefully ignored the question

jaephoenix:

So you completed the spectrum. Interesting…
Like I said in that thread, agnosticism is a spectrum with you on the atheist end of it while AOO1, Triplechoice, Workch and that op scattered on it. That op in that thread is at the theist end. And also this op: A step away from theism

That's why I call agnostics, theist sympathizers, when they are done sympathizing they will come around.
When the question of gods come in, it's either yes or no which is theism or atheism, any other thing is just extra.