ivandragon:
Farooq's write up is largely correct, but I disagree with the race part.

BAT could have ticked 'other'.

You never ever agree with anything reasonable. Na your way

Look, I don't care about your status as a representative of tinubu or not, it is of no importance to me. Either way you are wrong.
A document being fake is not a matter of interpretation by a person, it is a matter of objectively observable facts.
I have already detailed why tinubu's diploma is fake, but you seem to want to beat around the bush.
And once again, the usa justice system has no jurisdiction here ! The diploma was submitted in Nigeria, for Nigerian elections, no USA law was broken !
The diploma being fake is a matter of concern for Nigeria, not America! Once again, it is perfectly legal to print a fake dipolma in the USA, just not to submit it to a state agency claiming it is genuine!
You are pretending to be deaf. Let me give it to you again:

Stoplying:


1. So America now has jurisdiction in Nigerian affairs ?

2.By the way, it is legal in America to print fake diplomas, there is even an advertised business for that, however, it is illegal in America to submit fake diplomas to state agencies or employers or any official setting while claiming they are genuin.

3. What I said was not my interpretation, but just facts, objective facts which are inconvenient to your cause:
a. diplomas are official documents in the USA
b. Diplomas are issued by the universities not by some random shop owners of your choosing.
c. Universities are not printing companies, so they give contracts to high end printing companies in order for those companies to print the university's diplomas
d. The order to print the diploma is given by the university registrar (who keeps a trace of the order) to the "vendor" (contractor under contract to print diplomas for the university) and the request has to reach the registrar's office before the order is given ( the request is also recorded by the registrar's office)

I have repeated my comment which you seem to pretend you didn't see or didn't understand while quoting parts of it in your reply below 👇 there is nothing more to discus, you are wrong.

teepain:


I am sorry, but we may need to discontinue this condition if you cannot say thematic without personalizing issues. To be clear about it, I do not represent Tinubu and I have no "cause" in this matte that can be inconvenienced. It is trite law that the power to proclaim a document as forged lies with the one who has authority to issue. Not any other person. At the very least, CSU has not agreed that it's certificate was forged. Hence, I suggest that Atiku should seek clarification in the U.S court. That seems to be his best bet because a thousand opinions will not influence the supreme court. What can help Atiku is a court pronouncing the document forged based on American practices. If that happens, Atiku can proceed to the Supreme court in Nigeria with the judgement.

With all the sane mind you have Nigeria is still a shit hole you came from, sane mind wen no fit stop fraud. Ode

Omenlon:
unfortunately, it's not meant for you. Only for the sane minds.

plaindealer:


Unfortunately for you, no false document was submitted.

You are part of the ignorant crowd the writer is talking about.

Those Igbos are just so gravely ignorant.
The transcripts are top notchedly Tinubu's.
Verified.
The certificate is ceremonial and could be gotten from a third party.
It carries very minimal importance according to USA rules.
Either the certificate given by CSU or third party (which is CSU rules) to any of its students,they are authentic.
Supreme court's judgement already obvious and simply cut out for them.
A DOA case.
A walkover for Tinubu.

Putinofrussia:

Either the certificate given by CSU or third party (which is CSU rules) to any of its students,they are authentic.

No, you are confusing the coded words of the USA with what they would mean in your language.

1.In the USA, "3rd party" only means a company in contract with an other company to provide services.
2. Universities are not printing companies so they have contracts with a given high end printing company which they would refer to as "3rd party" or "vendor"
3. The 3rd party operates under contract with the university and the request for a dipolma has to reach the desk of the registrar who can then order the printing or not of the diploma. The request and the order to print are recorded and kept by the registrar's office.
4. In our language, we would refer to the 3rd party as the contractor in charge of printing diplomas for the university.
5. Going to a random shop of your chosing to print your dipolma will only get you a fake diploma, which is not illegal. But submitting the fake dipolma is illegal.

Omoawoke2:

Forget this I hatred for Tinubu , just use your common sense for once.

Forget wetin, that is the essence of an IPOBidient's being, without it, they might as well commit suicide.

The ability to engage brain conflicts with being an IPOBidient, a mutually exclusive phenomenon.

Bros, I am intrigued as much as you! This is so because this so called forgery proven or unproven benefits Obi not in anyway. The best that would happen is for Tinubu to be disqualified and the presidency automatically goes to Atiku as the second placed candidate, but I guess those headless mob don't give a toss as long as Tinubu is removed by any means. Their main issue has always been against the person of Tinubu as a major stumbling bock to the realization of an Ibo/IPOB presidency.

Wait however as they would fly out of their coop now and resume their shout of 'it was Atiku that dragged TInubu to America why are you mentioning Obi' yet they are the ones mostly fixated on the issue

DiscoverID:
Why are ibos crying more than the bereaved, typical Fulani slaves crying and licking atiku's asrss. They have abandoned obidafft, what a time to be alive.

The same Farooq that said as a matter of fact that TInubu forged the certificate submitted to INEC and even went on to advance the possible reason, I bet he has realised his cock up and trying to do damage control albeit without letting go his conspiracy theories

NOETHNICITY:
You never ever agree with anything reasonable. Na your way

Baatunde:
The same Farooq that said as a matter of fact that TInubu forged the certificate submitted to INEC and even went on to advance the possible reason, I bet he has realised his cock up and trying to do damage control albeit without letting go his conspiracy theories

Don't you understand that tinubu has enough money to buy people? If you are making good points against tinubu and you are loud about it, then a brown envelope will come your way with more money than you can earn in a lifetime, then you will start singing a completely different tune. I would too.

aswani:


Forget wetin, that is the essence of an IPOBidient's being, without it, they might as well commit suicide.

The ability to engage brain conflicts with being an IPOBidient, a mutually exclusive phenomenon.

What a people!

Stoplying:

No, you are confusing the coded words if the USA with what they would mean in your language.

1.In the USA, "3rd party" only means a company in contract with an other company to provide services.
2. Universities are not printing companies so they have contracts with a given high end printing company which they would refer to as "3rd party" or "vendor"
3. The 3rd party operates under contract with the university and the request for a dipolma has to reach the desk of the registrar who can then order the printing or not of the diploma. The request and the order to print are recorded and kept by the registrar's office.
4. In our language, we would refer to the 3rd party as the contractor in charge of printing diplomas for the university.
5. Going to a random shop of your chosing to print your dipolma will only get you a fake diploma, which is not illegal. But submitting the fake dipolma is illegal.

lol
You tried in your analysis but there just two facts to be observed and the case is won.
1.
It has been verified that Tinubu did attend CSU.

2.CSU:Tinubu certificate is valid and authentic because we allow verified third party to print certificates for our students as replacement.
Obviously, certificates are merely ceremonial papers to USA schools while certificates are held in high esteem in Nigeria.

Tinubu has TRANSCRIPTS,which are the most important items from USA's universities.
He got his certificate from CSU's third party not in Nigeria.
You pay online and they will email it to you,signed by an appropriate official of CSU.

Let us leave everything to the Supreme Court to judge.

Takeaways:
Transcripts...Tinubu.
Year book....Tinubu.
Registrar affirmed Tinubu.
Registrar affirmed from 'CSU third party' is a valid certificate.
Either from CSU or their third party entity,all the certificates are authentic because to them, certificates are merely ceremonial.
Above all,CSU has authenticated Tinubu and his certificate.There is nowhere they have said he forged their certificate.

If you are a judge,will you say that Tinubu forge his certificate because he acted according to CSU rules of getting a replacement from their third party?

Baatunde:
The same Farooq that said as a matter of fact that TInubu forged the certificate submitted to INEC and even went on to advance the possible reason, I bet he has realised his cock up and trying to do damage control albeit without letting go his conspiracy theories

Yes, true, you are absolutely correct. He was all too hasty in making his declarations without proper understanding of the CSU registrar’s depositions.
However, as humans we not infallible. We must give him credit for having the courage to readjust his position on the issue. Some people will never ever own up to their mistakes

NOETHNICITY:
Yes, true, you are absolutely correct. He was all too hasty in making his declarations without proper understanding of the CSU registrar’s depositions.
However, as humans we not infallible. We must give him credit for having the courage to readjust his position on the issue. Some people will never ever own up to their mistakes

He readjusted to a brown envelope from tinubu. I would too, if you give me one million dollars, I would sing for an entire week that tinubu's fake diploma is not fake.
I will even say the sky is red and green and that people can fly.

plaindealer:


Unfortunately for you, no false document was submitted.

You are part of the ignorant crowd the writer is talking about.

If you know how difficult it is, for some people to understand a simple compression passage, you will be shocked.
I'm just patiently waiting for when the idiots will cry, when the supreme court explain it to them, in black and white or probably in broken English, that there's no forgery.

MeineMutter:


That bureaucracy, I guess, is in Nigeria but not in the US.

On the day I went to collect by certificate at a business school I attended here in Europe, the office manager told me to keep my certificate well because the school does not have other copy.
I was not even asked to sign any document to show that I collected it.

Why some of us are still confused about this is because of cultural differences.

I am not a fan of APC or Tinubu but I doubt if Atiku can rely on his findings at CSU to get Tinubu nailed.

May be Atiku should take the advice of Farooq, by probing further on Tinubu’s other academic qualifications.

Every reputable organization keeps a photocopy for record purposes.
Secondly, since Tinubu has never collected his cert, where is it? They claimed to have given it to someone which is abnormal

The problem with people like Farooq is that so many people hail them for their brilliance that after awhile they begin to drink their own kool aid.

What Tinubu did by submitting a forged certificate in Nigeria is not a crime in America because America has no jurisdiction here.

For Farouk to say that Tinubu has no case to answer for submitting a forged version of his certificate to INEC is rather daft.

I wish I could ask Farooq whether if someone in US can submit a forged version of their certificate when they are tendering documents and the courts in US will say it doesn't matter.

If that action has consequences in US then it should have consequences in Nigeria.

Also, I noticed that Farooq ignored the F for gender on the doc submitted for admission to the university.

Why did he keep quiet about that?

Or that too is not a fraud in the US?

One thing I long ago realised about anyone who sets himself as a public commentator is that deep down such people almost always have validation issues. They crave attention and constantly seek to be the focus of other's interest. It's a terrible weakness.

Farooq is no exception

MeineMutter:


That bureaucracy, I guess, is in Nigeria but not in the US.

On the day I went to collect by certificate at a business school I attended here in Europe, the office manager told me to keep my certificate well because the school does not have other copy.
I was not even asked to sign any document to show that I collected it.

Why some of us are still confused about this is because of cultural differences.

I think you don't really understand the subject matter, I got my degrees in France and they were sent to me through the mail at the address of my choosing. I also didn't have to sign a document to prove I collected it. But it is a genuine official document, not a "diploma" which I had printed in a random shop out there.
Nobody is talking about tinubu signing a document to prove he collected the diploma, people are talking about the fact tinubu walked into q random shop and had them print a "diploma" for him. That is a fake diploma.

Baatunde:
Bros, I am intrigued as much as you! This is so because this so called forgery proven or unproven benefits Obi not in anyway. The best that would happen is for Tinubu to be disqualified and the presidency automatically goes to Atiku as the second placed candidate, but I guess those headless mob don't give a toss as long as Tinubu is removed by any means. Their main issue has always been against the person of Tinubu as a major stumbling bock to the realization of an Ibo/IPOB presidency.

Wait however as they would fly out of their coop now and resume their shout of 'it was Atiku that dragged TInubu to America why are you mentioning Obi' yet they are the ones mostly fixated on the issue

Not only Tinubu,they just hate Yorubas becoming the President of Nigeria.
They envy and are jealous of the numerous achievements of the Yorubas.
They were haters and protagonists of Awolowo,Abiola and now Tinubu.
The only anti Yoruba man they voted for was Obasanjo because he was in their party and he is antagonist to the Yorubas in almost all issues.
Na hatred and envy go kpai them.

All this copious treatise is an attempt to confuse and twist the salient truth.

I read/studied the deposition carefully, and it was clear that a certificate was forged.

It is surprising the amount of misinformation that so-called educated people dish out for their own selfish gains.

Ms Angela, Esq, ran rings around Mr Westberg by her questioning. Interesting.

Nyceguy92:
All this copious treatise is an attempt to confuse and twist the salient truth.

I read/studied the deposition carefully, and it was clear that a certificate was forged.

It is surprising the amount of misinformation that so-called educated people dish out for their own selfish gains.

Ms Angela, Esq, ran rings around Mr Westberg by her questioning. Interesting.

You tried in your analysis but there are just two facts to be observed and the case is won.
1.
It has been verified that Tinubu did attend CSU.

2.CSU:Tinubu certificate is valid and authentic because we allow verified third party to print certificates for our students as replacement.
Obviously, certificates are merely ceremonial papers to USA schools while certificates are held in high esteem in Nigeria.

Tinubu has TRANSCRIPTS,which are the most important items from USA's universities.
He got his certificate from CSU's third party not in Nigeria.
You pay online and they will email it to you,signed by an appropriate official of CSU.

Let us leave everything to the Supreme Court to judge.

Takeaways:
Transcripts...Tinubu.
SSN ...Tinubu.
Year book....Tinubu.
Registrar affirmed Tinubu.
Registrar affirmed that a certificate from 'CSU third party' is a valid certificate.
Either from CSU or their third party entity,all the certificates are authentic because to them, certificates are merely ceremonial.
Above all,CSU has authenticated Tinubu and his certificate.There is nowhere they have said he forged their certificate.

If you are a judge,will you say that Tinubu forged his certificate because he acted according to CSU rules of getting a replacement from their third party?

NOETHNICITY:
You never ever agree with anything reasonable. Na your way

Lol.

Are you the one assigned to monitor me from your group? Your group of supporters of liars & fraudsters?

Unlike you, I apply commonsense & logic when reviewing subjective opinions not based on fact.

BAT could have chosen 'other', simple.

Stoplying:

He readjusted to a brown envelope from tinubu. I would too, if you give me one million dollars, I would sing for an entire week that tinubu's fake diploma is not fake.
I will even say the sky is red and green and that people can fly.

I must give to you, you are so real.

Omoawoke2:


In this case, CSU has authenticated that he graduated from their school and they don’t attach any value to ceremonial certificates. Third party vendors design certificates for students and alumni which is a normal practice in the US.
Look at the jamb girl case, that is a perfect example of forgery. She altered her jamb scores.

There are so many people that reproduce their documents when the original one is missing to catch up with deadlines, and as long as the details are genuine, they will eventually reconfirm and it will be correct. You know nothing man.

You people will lose this case again as usual and later start screaming the judiciary is corrupt all because you are using sentiments and personal hatred to hide from the truth.

The case is dead on arrival and the Supreme Court will trash it out because justice is blind

I still stand that the only way for tinubu to come out of this is for the judges To use sentiments and emotions to judge because in the sight of the law your backstory or ignorance does not absolve you, in the eyes of the law according to the constitution the emphasis is on the literal document, and again america not placing too much value on certificate does not mean anything in Nigeria honestly, I won't be so pissed if the court upholds his election, my only concern would be if this was an opposition candidate I know the court would have brought out the usually technicalities, before now we were being told how the court does not rule on sentiments yet only that same sentiment can free tinubu, because based on technicality he would lose.

Shattuck:
I still stand that the only way for tinubu to come out of this is for the judges To use sentiments and emotions to judge because in the sight of the law your backstory or ignorance does not absolve you, in the eyes of the law according to the constitution the emphasis is on the literal document, and again america not placing too much value on certificate does not mean anything in Nigeria honestly, I won't be so pissed if the court upholds his election, my only concern would be if this was an opposition candidate I know the court would have brought out the usually technicalities, before now we were being told how the court does not rule on sentiments yet only that same sentiment can free tinubu, because based on technicality he would lose.

America does value degrees, it is an international thing.

BreconHills:


Nigeria cannot interprete the laws of a foreign country in its own viewpoint. If it does not accept the facts that diplomas and graduation ceremonies are regarded as mere ceremonies then it should refuse to recognize American degrees. It should also hold that requests for transcripts by US universities are invalid and the final proof of graduation is the graduation certificate.

Let me tell you what will happen. Bookmark this. The court will say that the CSU did not say the certificate presented by Tinunbu is fake. They will rule that evidence shows that Tinubu is a graduate of the university and they will accept the affidavit filed by the registrar of the CSU. You cannot fake or forge a fact that is true. I cannot fake that I am married to my wife of 19 years because there in no intention to deceive which is the essential mental element or mens rea of the offence of forgery. No no way that Tinubu gets disqualified. Willing to bet a million naira with you if you are prepared we pay our money into an agreed escrow account.


Tinubu did not fight the release of his documents he merely gave Atiku the run around. The first principle of defence is " rearrange the battle field in your favour" Obama resisted Trumps efforts to get the release of his citizenship information for years even when he had nothing to hide. Its called deflection.

If Tinubu indeed has anything to hide it is not at the point of his resistance. That's a basic question of strategy. Atiku has bought Tinubu time in the polity by diverting people away from the huge economic issues by offering a hope of his removal that is no hope at all.

Rope a dope

only sentiments can absolve tinubu from this, I won't be so pissed if his victory is being upheld, one major concern is this path that the court will take will end up creating a lot of loopholes in the future, when laws from over 200 countries of the earth will then be used to interpret laws in Nigeria, I just hope everyone maintains same energy. If this was an opposition candidate, I know the usual defense line would be how the court does not judge based on sentiments but on the technicality, because based on technicality if you look at the law about forgery it's emphasis is on the literal document rather than the narrative of the document or the backstory surrounding the document, based on technicality he would lose, I understand the sentiments because he truly graduated and that is the only thing he has just the sentiments.

Tflex01:


Out of the top 20 positions in the country today, Yorubas are occupying 13 in a country with more than 200 ethic groups. The talk of Yorubas being slave to Fulanis is stale, even your parents know.

The obvious slaves of the Fulanis are the Igbos.

Igbos don't go into alliance with the fulanis. Igbos confront the fulanis headlong.
Yorubas cowardly go behind to sell out in order to be given a chance at power. They slave for it and sell other southerners to get into office.
Igbos are brave and fight and don't cower before anyone.
That's why you can't call out a Fulani Atiku that's dragging your brother Tinubu's blockos. Instead you start calling Igbos that are onlookers.

DiscoverID:
Why are ibos crying more than the bereaved, typical Fulani slaves crying and licking atiku's asrss. They have abandoned obidafft, what a time to be alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uc9k_HeQvWg?si=rWEItddicb2W2S0R

Ofunaofu:


That's basically Farooq's opinion

While The below is what the law says

Section 468 of the Criminal Code Act in Nigeria. Uttering false documents and counterfeit seals

Any person who knowingly and fraudulently utters a false document or writing, or a counterfeit seal, is guilty of an offence of the same kind and is liable to the same punishment as if he had forged the thing in question.

It is immaterial whether the false document or writing, or counterfeit seal, was made in Nigeria or elsewhere.

They left Nnamdi Kanu started following Ekpa

They left Ekpa started following Obi

When Obi lost they started following Ekpa again

When Ekpa started killing them, they started following Nnamdi Kanu.

When they saw there is no hope for Nnamdi Kanu, they started following Obi again.

They left Obi when they saw he has no case against Tinubu and started following Atiku

Now that Obi is claiming he is the winner of the election who will the headless mobs follow?

I guess they will start following Obi again

Anywhere belle face people

GoodLife4live:
They left Nnamdi Kanu started following Ekpa

They left Ekpa started following Obi

When Obi lost they started following Ekpa again

When Ekpa started killing them, they started following Nnamdi Kanu.

When they saw there is no hope for Nnamdi Kanu, they started following Obi again.

They left Obi when they saw he has no case against Tinubu and started following Atiku

Now that Obi is claiming he is the winner of the election who will the headless mobs follow?

I guess they will start following Obi again

Anywhere belle face people

Are you sure you are on the right thread

It seems you have lost your way

Ofunaofu:


That's basically Farooq's opinion

While The below is what the law says

Section 468 of the Criminal Code Act in Nigeria. Uttering false documents and counterfeit seals

Any person who knowingly and fraudulently utters a false document or writing, or a counterfeit seal, is guilty of an offence of the same kind and is liable to the same punishment as if he had forged the thing in question.

It is immaterial whether the false document or writing, or counterfeit seal, was made in Nigeria or elsewhere.

Lol. Go and sleep. U accept say he go school for u.s, u no come accept how dem dy run tyns via certificate. U can't chose one and leave d oda. Is either u accept dem all or reject his education in usa totally.

Aquila99:


Lol. Go and sleep. U accept say he go school for u.s, u no come accept how dem dy run tyns via certificate. U can't chose one and leave d oda. Is either u accept dem all or reject his education in usa totally.

How dem dey run tyns via certificate for u.s

Stoplying:

He readjusted to a brown envelope from tinubu. I would too, if you give me one million dollars, I would sing for an entire week that tinubu's fake diploma is not fake.
I will even say the sky is red and green and that people can fly.

Not everyone has a poverty stricken mentality bros. Some people are different.