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Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 10:03am On Oct 20, 2023 |
This question is coming from the heels of those who downplay religious experiences like Visions, OBEs, Trances as "it's just your subjective experience", "it's not Objective" so "it ain't real". Thread... |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 10:04am On Oct 20, 2023 |
My hypothesis: Nothing perceived with the physical sense is objective. Nothing Material is. You only have 'Subjective Agreements on Objectivity' (SAO). 2 Likes |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 10:05am On Oct 20, 2023 |
SAO basically means we simply agree that yes, the red painting we're both looking at is red even though we both can't and are not seeing exactly the same (objective) red paint, so let's just agree that it's red and let life go on. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 10:06am On Oct 20, 2023 |
Given the above, 'reality' or 'objectivity' hence is simply 'co-agreed definitions+acceptances to things that are not really so as it where. Cheers! |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 11:05am On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:
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Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 11:08am On Oct 20, 2023 |
Maynman: Sorry, we'll look for you when we need quotes from the resources and works of people like you online. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 11:15am On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:Keep deluding yourself with all these jargons. 1 Like |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 12:54pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Maynman: Incidentally "jargon" isn't necessarily a negative word...you need this enlightenment. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 1:02pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:It's exactly what you are doing, Jargons from Eckankar. You can't get "enlightenment" from outside, no one can give you that's why you will keep finding and you will never get it. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 1:06pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Maynman: Lol |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Maynman: 1:08pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:No answer will help you. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Kobojunkie: 1:57pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:Why try to force others to believe an experience which they have no way of verifying except if able to replicate it in themselves? Maybe we should start there. 1 Like |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 3:23pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Let's stick to the fundamental topic please. What do you know or think about it? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Kobojunkie: 3:33pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:I don't by your argument at all as it reeks of a lack of understanding of objective criteria. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 3:59pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Explain please |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Kobojunkie: 4:05pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:What criteria must be met for something to qualify as "objective" or "subjective"? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 4:16pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: The basic definitions of those terms are your starting points |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Kobojunkie: 4:19pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:And if we are to indeed start from there then your hypothesis... chieveboy:...falls apart. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 4:21pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Good start. It's time to now marry that with the statement "No two people are alike"... Let me know what you got. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Kobojunkie: 4:28pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:I am afraid I do not follow at all. Objective Criterion is an approach to judgment or assessment that is not removed from personal feelings, prejudice, and interpretation. It is based on facts, observations, and measurements."No two people are alike" is all the more reason to argue for an objective criterion, assessment removed from the personal feelings, prejudices and interpretations of the individual. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 4:29pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: That's it. You need to be grounded in such physics to be able to tango. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Kobojunkie: 4:30pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:You are still not making any sense. What now has physics to do with this? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 4:31pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Lolz what do you think we've been talking about |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 4:48pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy: But non religious people can also experience visions ,"OBEs" and trance . For instance , die hard Peter obi and Tinubu supporters are currently going through a trance of loyalty for their preferred candidate, and that's why they struggle to see things objectively . Now ,to answer the op, one's reaction( "collective agreement" ) to a thing that exist is not the same as the thing itself . In other words, your reaction is a creation of your mind and not the thing itself . Does Peter obi and Tinubu exist ,yes they do . Are their fanatical supporters capable of an objective perception of them ? You should know the answer already . |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by LordReed(m): 4:59pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy: 1. Yes humans have objective experiences even though those experiences are narrow compared to what is available. 2. Subjective DOES NOT mean not real. It means peculiar to the individual and thus cannot be experienced simultaneously by others. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by Kobojunkie: 5:03pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy:Kai! See this one! |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 5:48pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
LordReed: We're saying whatever humans are seeing is actually not what they thought (or assumed) it was even if they agree that what they are seeing is what they agreed they are seeing. This is true in the light of current information on the physics of what to a human is 'reality', and even what is not real to him.
We can't talk about this one yet, we must parse through the physics of reality and what it might be, and then decided if indeed objectivity is possible as far as the human sensoria is concerned. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 5:55pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
triplechoice: You came close to where I am coming from. The issue is, the Tinubu you knew a second ago is not the same Tinubu you (think) you knew the next second. This is so even if we work with the common reality that the very particles that makes our physical body's are constantly in a state of flux, which gave rise to the saying that "nothing remains the same". If so, we are only agreeing to agree that this flux (dynamism), which appears as a static or Constants to our mortal sensoria is static or 'real', and that we are seeing the same thing even though we are not (since all is changing and moving). A dog (due to their senses) isn't seeing the objective Tinubu, whatever the dog sees is actually part of Tinubu humans are not seeing, so Tinubu isn't actually Objective in the sense of the word. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 6:19pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy: "Nothing remains the same " does not mean nothing .There's something objectively real that doesn't remain the same however you perceive it . That's my point . Please answer this question , Who is the current president of Nigeria ? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 6:25pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
triplechoice: The constituent of Tinubu we collectively agreed is Tinubu. |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by triplechoice(m): 6:36pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
chieveboy: Who are the "we" that has collectively agreed and how did the "we" all arrived at this agreement ? |
Re: Are We Capable Of Objective Perception As Humans? by chieveboy(m): 6:54pm On Oct 20, 2023 |
triplechoice: All of use actually at the subconscious level where all of us are connected to. It's really an 'interface' which had been earlier exploded and known by mystics and today atheist physicists are exploring. For a fact, this is actually how reality is "manifested", we actually "produce" it in real-time. I tried to share a very advanced work by some physicists on this with Lord.reed which takes the Double Slit experiment light years ahead of it's time He ran away instead. You must have learnt that The 'Double Slit Experiment' (the latest versions) found that everything exists as a wave of possibility. How when an observer comes into the picture, what you think was takes on another dimension. This led to the question: what then is 'real', like the reality behind what we thought is reality? This is where my hypothesis (though unoriginal) that we merely are agreeing to agree on ' real'and 'not real'. |
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