jedisco:



I know a good number of folks who went directly to Canada from Nigeria as it was the easier route for them at the time

When comparing countries immigration policies, you need to first understand the underlying drivers.

Canada is a country of 40 million that lets in over 500k people yearly. When UK ended the PSW visa years back, it was the likes of canada that reminded them the market is hotly contested.
-The US satisfies most of it's labour needs by thousands of Mexicans and South Americans trooping and has the wage advantage to also feed off the UK and EU.
-Australia sits on vast reserves suppling many raw materials to China. Just like Canada, they have the wealth to scrape from the UK and other Western nations.
-The UK is not rich enough to source talent from any English speaking Western nation. They have left the EU hence no cheap European labour. They turning to Asia and Africa is not out of want but need.

brozay, if you in your heart of hearts believe that it is easier for Nigerians to japa to Canada/US/Aussie than UK with all we know to be the reality, no wahala. I can't and I'm not interested in changing what anyone on here believes. It is well.

Lol.

hustla:



This means you failed to read my initial premise

The guy in question left school after 1 year to switch to care worker COS. He did not finish or even attempt to apply for jobs in the chosen career area before switching. If it were a course like Intl Business and the like, its very understandable

No one said not to switch to healthcare sponsorship if time is running out; not even attempting is what baffled me

His life, his choices at the end of the day

People will choose what they want depending on their risk appetite and how they perceive their strengths, ability to hold out / delayed gratification etc

U for ask am whether his brain carry the cybersecurity Abi he just dey patch am.

hustla:



This means you failed to read my initial premise

The guy in question left school after 1 year to switch to care worker COS. He did not finish or even attempt to apply for jobs in the chosen career area before switching. If it were a course like Intl Business and the like, its very understandable

No one said not to switch to healthcare sponsorship if time is running out; not even attempting is what baffled me

His life, his choices at the end of the day

People will choose what they want depending on their risk appetite and how they perceive their strengths, ability to hold out / delayed gratification etc

But why should it baffle you?

What if he realized that cybersecurity is not his passion?
Or he genuinely wants to use care work visa as a stepping stone. I know someone who started with care work and transitioned into occupational therapy working for the NHS now and doesn't do bedside care anymore. Infact she got the OP role in the NHS just one year into her tier 2.


And for many, survival first especially when you have a spouse and children. Being a parent means you make sacrifices for the good of all.

He won't be doing it forever.

He can change career 100 times if he wants.

I wondered if he read your post at all. Someone that did not come to class is the one they claimed applied and did not get jobs.

Lemme keep quiet before they call me motivational speaker. Let everyone do what is best for them.

hustla:



This means you failed to read my initial premise

The guy in question left school after 1 year to switch to care worker COS. He did not finish or even attempt to apply for jobs in the chosen career area before switching. If it were a course like Intl Business and the like, its very understandable

No one said not to switch to healthcare sponsorship if time is running out; not even attempting is what baffled me

His life, his choices at the end of the day

People will choose what they want depending on their risk appetite and how they perceive their strengths, ability to hold out / delayed gratification etc

Ukliving:


But why should it baffle you?

What if he realized that cybersecurity is not his passion?
Or he genuinely wants to use care work visa as a stepping stone. I know someone who started with care work and transitioned into occupational therapy working for the NHS now and doesn't do bedside care anymore. Infact she got the OP role in the NHS just one year into her tier 2.


And for many, survival first especially when you have a spouse and children. Being a parent means you make sacrifices for the good of all.

He won't be doing it forever.

He can change career 100 times if he wants.

Whew!

OK

dupyshoo:
I wondered if he read your post at all. Someone that did not come to class is the one they claimed applied and did not get jobs.

Lemme keep quiet before they call me motivational speaker. Let everyone do what is best for them.

It is well

justwise:


Your friend can swtich back to Cybersecurity when he settles with full right to live and work in this country, nobody pins him down to health care work for ever. He is thinking outside the box which is what education gives you. You studied Cybersecurity and you applied for jobs with no positive outcome then what? You keep waiting until your visa expires?

After 5 years of being a healthcare worker right?

Good afternoon my people ...please what's the process involved for getting the police character report from https://possap.gov.ng/ after successful payment? Thank you in advance @Justwise @Lexusgs430 @hustla @Zahra

justwise:


Your friend can swtich back to Cybersecurity when he settles with full right to live and work in this country, nobody pins him down to health care work for ever. He is thinking outside the box which is what education gives you. You studied Cybersecurity and you applied for jobs with no positive outcome then what? You keep waiting until your visa expires?

After 5 years of being a healthcare worker right?

justwise:


Your friend can swtich back to Cybersecurity when he settles with full right to live and work in this country, nobody pins him down to health care work for ever. He is thinking outside the box which is what education gives you. You studied Cybersecurity and you applied for jobs with no positive outcome then what? You keep waiting until your visa expires?

After 5 years of being a healthcare worker right?

Dey play

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sometimes i feel we just want to argue beer parlour gists with emotions..

How can one deny or find it hard to believe the truth that Canada is harder to get in than UK? how

The requirements are so high to get PR into Canada that people with Masters etc do French certification courses just to get high scores (especially if age doesn't favour them).

Can we stop being emotional and work with data?

You also can't blame just the government alone.. you also have to blame students lying about their proof of funds, marriages, and those selling COS and scamming their fellow Nigerians...

You can also watch Border Force UK show and see how Nigerians are embarrassing themselves at both UK and Nigeria... so many episodes that will make you ashamed..

the truth is very bitter but we must swallow it to move on

People can be so evil..

I have had phone calls of strangers (Nigerians) asking if they can stay at mine just because their proof of funds never existed.. of course i didn't agree.. because i have to prioritise my family first

please lets argue with data and not emotions.. it is tiring and misleading..

I have family members and friends in Canada and so this isn't even rumors.. u cant compare migrating to Uk with migrating to Canada.. abeg lets be logical


https://businessday.ng/news/article/number-of-nigerians-moving-to-canada-drops-20-in-nine-months/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/555132/top-10-origin-countries-of-international-students-at-years-end-canada/

I also attached Nigerians with Canada PR per year

Compare that with the nos that come into the UK..

This was how Nigerians said Dubai will lose out in major revenue and will be hit when they blocked us ... meanwhile Nigeria wasn't anywhere near the top countries visiting Dubai

We seem to just live on emotions and arguments. .. no data.. thats why Nigerian FG will modify the unemployment rate to 5%... everything being emotional.. instead of us to look at the problem for what it is..

that's for all international students right.. we are focused on a small segment .. nigerian students.. pls stay focused on the keyword

How many in that great number are Nigerians? lol

jedisco:



I know a good number of folks who went directly to Canada from Nigeria as it was the easier route for them at the time

When comparing countries immigration policies, you need to first understand the underlying drivers.

Canada is a country of 40 million that lets in over 500k people yearly. When UK ended the PSW visa years back, it was the likes of canada that reminded them the market is hotly contested.
-The US satisfies most of it's labour needs by thousands of Mexicans and South Americans trooping and has the wage advantage to also feed off the UK and EU.
-Australia sits on vast reserves suppling many raw materials to China. Just like Canada, they have the wealth to scrape from the UK and other Western nations.
-The UK is not rich enough to source talent from any English speaking Western nation. They have left the EU hence no cheap European labour. They turning to Asia and Africa is not out of want but need.

lavida001:


After 5 years of being a healthcare worker right?

Dey play

Every mallam with him Kettle

kwakudtraveller:

Every mallam with him Kettle

Abi na

lavida001:


After 5 years of being a healthcare worker right?

Dey play

One year outside cyber-security and you’ll prolly need 2 year worth of study to catch up with the latest trends.

rayralph:


One year outside cyber-security and you’ll prolly need 2 year worth of study to catch up with the latest trends.

AI would have even taken over all the jobs

lavida001:


After 5 years of being a healthcare worker right?

Dey play

Yes after 5, 10 yrs people change job if they want.

justwise:


Yes after 5, 10 yrs people change job if they want.

People can even be doing care and still keeping active in other professions while chasing ILR...

A friend is three years into support but still writing his CFA... ILR would soon come, CFA would be ready by then too.

He go come become biggest man... ILR and CFA. Sodiki.

profemebee:
sometimes i feel we just want to argue beer parlour gists with emotions..

How can one deny or find it hard to believe the truth that Canada is harder to get in than UK? how

The requirements are so high to get PR into Canada that people with Masters etc do French certification courses just to get high scores (especially if age doesn't favour them).

Can we stop being emotional and work with data?

You also can't blame just the government alone.. you also have to blame students lying about their proof of funds, marriages, and those selling COS and scamming their fellow Nigerians...


please lets argue with data and not emotions.. it is tiring and misleading..

A bottle of beer for you for this solid writeup

justwise:


Yes after 5, 10 yrs people change job if they want.

E get age wey you go dey (the average age of the recent Nigerian cohort wey enter as student for instance) and a 5 year career as a care support worker will effectively become a quasi-permanent one.

This does not mean that I have any opinion regarding what choices people make in their individual visa/permanent residence journeys and lives. Early in my time in this country I don do support work for hospital, then waka go join post office, before person come get job in my field. Some people get choice in terms of finance for visa fees and opportunities, some don't.

ehizario2012:


People can even be doing care and still keeping active in other professions while chasing ILR...

A friend is three years into support but still writing his CFA... ILR would soon come, CFA would be ready by then too.

He go come become biggest man... ILR and CFA. Sodiki.

Congratulations to a friend in advance .

justwise:


Yes after 5, 10 yrs people change job if they want.

After about 6 years of full time care, he will port to a new career in cyber? 😹😹
As what? Assuming he’s around 30, at close to 40 he’ll start looking for entry-level cyber analyst Abi? In 2029 when the cyber landscape will be completely different and he’ll probably be weighed down with a lot more familial responsibilities?

You people so love to titillate yourselves with these fantasies sha.

The fact of the matter is that if people actually came to the country with their fees and POF sorted as they declared, they would comfortably be able to get PSW and then use that time to get jobs without bothering about sponsorship in the first instance, and then get a sponsorship role of the back of that experience before the PSW expires. That’s because there are a ton of professional jobs vacant but sponsorship is the issue, which many employers are reluctant about whether rightly or wrongly.

Many of my friends have even been sponsored by the same place where they work after just a few months of working on PSW because the organisation now has the confidence to do so, and many others simply go to other organizations that sponsor after a year or so.

In 90% of cases where people default to care it’s because the foundation of their immigration was faulty (fraudulent?) ab initio, thereby robbing them of the flexibility to take advantage of the very clear paths to career progression, and then they get stuck doing things they hate for the rest of their lives.

But no, keep blaming the government and tories and companies and everybody but those who chose to cut corners and are bearing the consequences.

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Edit: for the avoidance of doubt I have nothing against care work. I just believe it should be done as a way to pad your finances while studying so you have a reserve for PSW and while searching for a job afterwards, or if you are a professional health care worker or have a passion for it.

To pay 15k to do cybersecurity or some other hotcake masters (especially STEM!) and then discard that to go and do care full time for 5 years though? Haba mana.

Let’s break out of this default-to-care mould biko, while other immigrant communities are aspiring higher and building careers and businesses.

Goodenoch:


After about 6 years of full time care, he will port to a new career in cyber? 😹😹
As what? Assuming he’s around 30, at close to 40 he’ll start looking for entry-level cyber analyst Abi? In 2029 when the cyber landscape will be completely different and he’ll probably be weighed down with a lot more familial responsibilities?

You people so love to titillate yourselves with these fantasies sha.

The fact of the matter is that if people actually came to the country with their fees and POF sorted as they declared, they would comfortably be able to get PSW and then use that time to get jobs without bothering about sponsorship in the first instance, and then get a sponsorship role of the back of that experience before the PSW expires. That’s because there are a ton of professional jobs vacant but sponsorship is the issue, which many employers are reluctant about whether rightly or wrongly.

Many of my friends have even been sponsored by the same place where they work after just a few months of working on PSW because the organisation now has the confidence to do so, and many others simply go to other organizations that sponsor after a year or so.

In 90% of cases where people default to care it’s because the foundation of their immigration was faulty (fraudulent?) ab initio, thereby robbing them of the flexibility to take advantage of the very clear paths to career progression, and then they get stuck doing things they hate for the rest of their lives.

But no, keep blaming the government and tories and companies and everybody but those who chose to cut corners and are bearing the consequences.

—
Edit: for the avoidance of doubt I have nothing against care work. I just believe it should be done as a way to pad your finances while studying so you have a reserve for PSW and while searching for a job afterwards, or if you are a professional health care worker or have a passion for it.

To pay 15k to do cybersecurity or some other hotcake masters (especially STEM!) and then discard that to go and do care full time for 5 years though? Haba mana.

Let’s break out of this default-to-care mould biko, while other immigrant communities are aspiring higher and building careers and businesses.

How many companies outside the healthcare sector are sponsoring skilled workers?

Some of us are not realistic enough, from the current stats it clearly shows not many companies outside the healthcare sector sponsor skilled workers and that’s the only major pathway in this country. And from my current observation the number of companies outside the health sector that are sponsoring keeps reducing. Let’s not give people false hopes by urging them to continue to hope on what is never available. My advise simple to anyone not interested in care is to start to explore other countries and don’t get caught in the cross fire of uk immigration which is the perspective Justwise is coming from but many here are clearly misunderstanding him. I should keep applying when my visa is expiring soon and I have a family? Common

This has nothing to with the foundation of POF, it has more to do with the opportunities available and not everyone I repeat not everyone will have the privilege of working in the nhs which does not even sponsor for many roles. It’s what it is.

ehizario2012:


People can even be doing care and still keeping active in other professions while chasing ILR...

A friend is three years into support but still writing his CFA... ILR would soon come, CFA would be ready by then too.

He go come become biggest man... ILR and CFA. Sodiki.

Correct!

My suggestion to anyone I know who cares to listen is to let your clock for ILR be counting and keep working towards what you really want.

lavida001:


After 5 years of being a healthcare worker right?

Dey play

Goke7:


How many companies outside the healthcare sector are sponsoring skilled workers?

Some of us are not realistic enough, from the current stats it clearly shows not many companies outside the healthcare sector sponsor skilled workers and that’s the only major pathway in this country. And from my current observation the number of companies outside the health sector that are sponsoring keeps reducing.

Not true, as a matter of fact, lots of companies sponsor that arent in the healthcare sector sponsor. In actual fact, i have seen ice cream shops with sponsorship while browsing through

As of 11th November, 2023, the figure for London was about 26,000. Means 2,000+ companies signed up to sponsor folks (i will check the exact figures to confirm)

See, the thing about life is, you only see what you want to see

ehizario2012:


People can even be doing care and still keeping active in other professions while chasing ILR...

A friend is three years into support but still writing his CFA... ILR would soon come, CFA would be ready by then too.

He go come become biggest man... ILR and CFA. Sodiki.

What is CFA?

I assume it means Chartered Finance Analyst? It's not possible to get chartered in the UK by just taking courses and writing exams. You have to demonstrate certain competencies by submitting case studies of how you've demonstrated those competencies in your current role, which is usually gain from active employment and working in the relevant field.
I cannot say for a certain if this also applies to finance, but this applies to almost all professions I've come across in my current role.

It takes people who are employed full-time 3-5years on average to be able to meet all the required competencies to get chartered.

So the idea that someone who works in care without any recent experience in finance will be able to get chartered just be taking a course and writing an exam is hilarious.

hustla:



Not true, as a matter of fact, lots of companies sponsor that arent in the healthcare sector sponsor. In actual fact, i have seen ice cream shops with sponsorship while browsing through

As of 11th November, 2023, the figure for London was about 26,000. Means 2,000+ companies signed up to sponsor folks (i will check the exact figures to confirm)

See, the thing about life is, you only see what you want to see

Are we going from health care to ice cream shop now, let me know o

That companies sign up to get license does not mean they will sponsor. Make Una no give people bp on top this sponsorship matter o

Hope you also realise that by the time they increase the salary requirement for skilled workers that again will reduce the ability of more companies to sponsor. Smell the coffee they say they want to reduce net migration and we are here encouraging people to gamble, Dey play and keep playing. You guys don’t know the damage Suella and gang has done

Good evening house, please apart from LemFi which other bank app can I use to transfer money to Nigeria please?

Goke7:


Are we going from health care to ice cream shop now, let me know o

That companies sign up to get license does not mean they will sponsor. Make Una no give people bp on top this sponsorship matter o

Hope you also realise that by the time they increase the salary requirement for skilled workers that again will reduce the ability of more companies to sponsor. Smell the coffee they say they want to reduce net migration and we are here encouraging people to gamble, Dey play and keep playing. You guys don’t know the damage Suella and gang has done

I am just telling you its more commonplace than you think, stop trying to shift the goal post. If you are talking about companies with sponsorship that may not want to, NHS trusts also do it and some want to sponsor certain roles only. Monzo and Starling do the exact same thing

The salary requirement has not been implemented yet so ...

Hamof:
Good evening house, please apart from LemFi which other bank app can I use to transfer money to Nigeria please?

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