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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by heroshark(m): 7:52pm On Nov 28, 2023
profemebee:
sometimes i feel we just want to argue beer parlour gists with emotions..

How can one deny or find it hard to believe the truth that Canada is harder to get in than UK? how



Thank you!

The rate at which people attacked me and my comment shocked me. I underestimated how many nigerians despised uncomfortable truth.

Someone even accused me of jealousy and hatred.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by jum33: 7:57pm On Nov 28, 2023
ehizario2012:


People can even be doing care and still keeping active in other professions while chasing ILR...

A friend is three years into support but still writing his CFA... ILR would soon come, CFA would be ready by then too.

He go come become biggest man... ILR and CFA. Sodiki.
Check your story well o as it just last year Feb this care visa was launched o not even up to 2 years yet .

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 7:58pm On Nov 28, 2023
hustla:



I am just telling you its more commonplace than you think, stop trying to shift the goal post. If you are talking about companies with sponsorship that may not want to, NHS trusts also do it and some want to sponsor certain roles only. Monzo and Starling do the exact same thing

The salary requirement has not been implemented yet so ...

It’s not common place anything, the stats released by govt shows it. Am talking from the data released and if you want to know there is another site that tells you company by company how many workers they sponsor within a year. That’s when you will know that many have the license but don’t sponsor. I’ve seen large companies with thousands of employees on their payroll that won’t sponsor more than 50 in a year. The salary requirement increases is definitely coming but again the health sector won’t be affected and we will blame people again for going that route

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by hustla(m): 8:10pm On Nov 28, 2023
Goke7:


It’s not common place anything, the stats released by govt shows it. Am talking from the data released and if you want to know there is another site that tells you company by company how many workers they sponsor within a year. That’s when you will know that many have the license but don’t sponsor. I’ve seen large companies with thousands of employees on their payroll that won’t sponsor more than 50 in a year. The salary requirement increases is definitely coming but again the health sector won’t be affected and we will blame people again for going that route


ok oo
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 8:12pm On Nov 28, 2023
I thought it was only me that saw this. Lol
jum33:

Check your story well o as it just last year Feb this care visa was launched o not even up to 2 years yet .
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 8:14pm On Nov 28, 2023
Can you post the link of the stats. Let's see the stats for the past few years.

Goke7:


It’s not common place anything, the stats released by govt shows it. Am talking from the data released and if you want to know there is another site that tells you company by company how many workers they sponsor within a year. That’s when you will know that many have the license but don’t sponsor. I’ve seen large companies with thousands of employees on their payroll that won’t sponsor more than 50 in a year. The salary requirement increases is definitely coming but again the health sector won’t be affected and we will blame people again for going that route
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Ukliving: 8:15pm On Nov 28, 2023
jum33:

Check your story well o as it just last year Feb this care visa was launched o not even up to 2 years yet .

Which last year?

It was launched in August 2020

A Google search will tell you this
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by dupyshoo: 8:22pm On Nov 28, 2023
I believe Care worker was added to the Health and Care visa route in February 2022 not since August 2020.

Ukliving:


Which last year?

It was launched in August 2020

A Google search will tell you this
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by heroshark(m): 8:23pm On Nov 28, 2023
justwise:


Your friend can swtich back to Cybersecurity when he settles with full right to live and work in this country, nobody pins him down to health care work for ever. He is thinking outside the box which is what education gives you. You studied Cybersecurity and you applied for jobs with no positive outcome then what? You keep waiting until your visa expires?

"If you are not able to secure a job in your chosen field after graduation and after 2 additional years on PSW, the chances that you will be able to secure a job after 5years of working in care drops by 80%"
~heroshark, Nairaland 2023"


I don't have any data to prove the above so I have to credit it to myself.

The reason for my argument is that the easiest way for people to into their preferred career without relevant experience is through the graduate scheme. Most graduate route don't expect you to have experience so they put your through a rigorous assessment to make sure they are picking the right candidate and once you are in they will support you to grow.
After 5years in carejob you simple will not qualify for any graduate program or scheme, and you will not have relevant experience to compete for non-graduate roles.

The notion that companies don't sponsor is false, I applied to 3 jobs as a student and 2 of them offered sponsorship right from the start and even covered the visa fee. Some might say it's luck but whatever it is, it's proof that most big companies will sponsor you once they are convinced that you are a perfect fit for them.

I work in consulting and most people in my industry move from graduate to senior level in 4-7years grossly roughly over 100k+ in salary and bonuses.

Working in care for 5years means that you will lose valuable professional experience and career progression.

In my industry there is a huge rivalry b/w companies, such that they brag about poaching talents from their competitors (this is off the book though). A rival firm will gladly hire you and ×2 your salary and sponsor you.
After people working with competing firms, the next set of people that we fight to recruit is people with mid-senior level experience working in civil service and local council. This is because the public sector constituent our major client portfolio, so having staffs that understand how clients think and behave is a bonus.

So for the students reading this, please do your due diligence, it will definitely pay off.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 8:33pm On Nov 28, 2023
ehizario2012:


People can even be doing care and still keeping active in other professions while chasing ILR...

A friend is three years into support but still writing his CFA... ILR would soon come, CFA would be ready by then too.

He go come become biggest man... ILR and CFA. Sodiki.

Hell no!! the moment you get into care your brain is fried, no future, no ambition, you have no access to outside world, you will not even have time to do anything again..smh

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Raalsalghul: 8:47pm On Nov 28, 2023
justwise:


Hell no!! the moment you get into care your brain is fried, no future, no ambition, you have no access to outside world, you will not even have time to do anything again..smh

grin grin cheesy

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by babajeje123(m): 9:48pm On Nov 28, 2023
Please can the dependant of a Tier 2 holder study full time without student visa and be able to work full time?
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by heroshark(m): 9:54pm On Nov 28, 2023
babajeje123:
Please can the dependant of a Tier 2 holder study full time without student visa and be able to work full time?

Yes

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 9:58pm On Nov 28, 2023
hustla:



Not true, as a matter of fact, lots of companies sponsor that arent in the healthcare sector sponsor. In actual fact, i have seen ice cream shops with sponsorship while browsing through grin

As of 11th November, 2023, the figure for London was about 26,000. Means 2,000+ companies signed up to sponsor folks (i will check the exact figures to confirm)

See, the thing about life is, you only see what you want to see

smiley








Guy you suppose add GPT to your name
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by babajeje123(m): 10:01pm On Nov 28, 2023
heroshark:


Yes
Thank you
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 10:02pm On Nov 28, 2023
Goke7:


Are we going from health care to ice cream shop now, let me know o

That companies sign up to get license does not mean they will sponsor. Make Una no give people bp on top this sponsorship matter o

Hope you also realise that by the time they increase the salary requirement for skilled workers that again will reduce the ability of more companies to sponsor. Smell the coffee they say they want to reduce net migration and we are here encouraging people to gamble, Dey play and keep playing. You guys don’t know the damage Suella and gang has done

I kuku don sell fan yogo before i might just sign up and get me sponsorship. grin
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goodenoch: 10:09pm On Nov 28, 2023
Goke7:


How many companies outside the healthcare sector are sponsoring skilled workers?

Some of us are not realistic enough, from the current stats it clearly shows not many companies outside the healthcare sector sponsor skilled workers and that’s the only major pathway in this country. And from my current observation the number of companies outside the health sector that are sponsoring keeps reducing. Let’s not give people false hopes by urging them to continue to hope on what is never available. My advise simple to anyone not interested in care is to start to explore other countries and don’t get caught in the cross fire of uk immigration which is the perspective Justwise is coming from but many here are clearly misunderstanding him. I should keep applying when my visa is expiring soon and I have a family? Common

This has nothing to with the foundation of POF, it has more to do with the opportunities available and not everyone I repeat not everyone will have the privilege of working in the nhs which does not even sponsor for many roles. It’s what it is.

Man, many many companies offer sponsorship.

Difference is most don’t offer it to entry-level hires.

That is the entire reason for PSW, to relieve graduates of the need for sponsorship and allow them to prove themselves to the point that companies will sponsor them.

There is a clear, logical progression to the thing but many people don’t want to follow it for various reasons and that’s how they end up where they end up, and then people like you start blaming the government for everything.

Your advise to anyone not interested in care work is to go to another country? Lmao. I can see that you’re fully set on this so all the best to you and all the others who join you in believing care is the only work available to immigrants in this country.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by lavida001: 10:15pm On Nov 28, 2023
justwise:


Hell no!! the moment you get into care your brain is fried, no future, no ambition, you have no access to outside world, you will not even have time to do anything again..smh

You forget the part where you will be averaging 10,000 steps in a day. Two years into the job you go don dey use walking stick.

Like i said before people are doing care job to meet up with fees and bills, mesef dey run am but you should upskill yourself and get a befitting job that aligns with your career.

If you have any info on how to secure a good job kindly drop information/ pointers.

We rise by lifitng others.
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by justwise(m): 10:31pm On Nov 28, 2023
lavida001:


You forget the part where you will be averaging 10,000 steps in a day. Two years into the job you go don dey use walking stick.

Like i said before people are doing care job to meet up with fees and bills, mesef dey run am but you should upskill yourself and get a befitting job that aligns with your career.

If you have any info on how to secure a good job kindly drop information/ pointers.

We rise by lifitng others.

My bad!. You see i was thinking that carers can also drive, that many of them drive from client to client.

It just occur to me now that people in other professions drive to work or do moon walking something that is not available to carers

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Resurgent2016: 10:36pm On Nov 28, 2023
heroshark:


"If you are not able to secure a job in your chosen field after graduation and after 2 additional years on PSW, the chances that you will be able to secure a job after 5years of working in care drops by 80%"
~heroshark, Nairaland 2023"


I don't have any data to prove the above so I have to credit it to myself.

The reason for my argument is that the easiest way for people to into their preferred career without relevant experience is through the graduate scheme. Most graduate route don't expect you to have experience so they put your through a rigorous assessment to make sure they are picking the right candidate and once you are in they will support you to grow.
After 5years in carejob you simple will not qualify for any graduate program or scheme, and you will not have relevant experience to compete for non-graduate roles.

The notion that companies don't sponsor is false, I applied to 3 jobs as a student and 2 of them offered sponsorship right from the start and even covered the visa fee. Some might say it's luck but whatever it is, it's proof that most big companies will sponsor you once they are convinced that you are a perfect fit for them.

I work in consulting and most people in my industry move from graduate to senior level in 4-7years grossly roughly over 100k+ in salary and bonuses.

Working in care for 5years means that you will lose valuable professional experience and career progression.

In my industry there is a huge rivalry b/w companies, such that they brag about poaching talents from their competitors (this is off the book though). A rival firm will gladly hire you and ×2 your salary and sponsor you.
After people working with competing firms, the next set of people that we fight to recruit is people with mid-senior level experience working in civil service and local council. This is because the public sector constituent our major client portfolio, so having staffs that understand how clients think and behave is a bonus.

So for the students reading this, please do your due diligence, it will definitely pay off.

You can't use your story or even field to make a theory.

Certain fields and industries are more open/exposed to offer sponsorship than others. For instance, many accounting firms (big4 or big10 as called here on the sponsorship list are open to offering sponsorship on contact. Discussion on why that is is a different subject. In the industry, an accountant is less likely going to easily find companies that offer on contact or they may be offering below average pay e.g a role that will fetch £50-69k, one will offer it for £25-30k with sponsorship and even those may not be so common. I also understand some data and IT focused firms/roles also rich sponsorship opportunities.

Mind you, an accountant without big4 or closely matching experience in Nigeria is unlikely to land a big4 job in the Uk and so will likely focus on industry roles.

Bottom line is not all industries and careers offer the same level of sponsorship opportunity. For instance a medical practioner/dentist/pharmacist and similar guys have a very high chance of securing sponsorship on contact. Someone with experience in hr or marketing will probably have much lower odds of getting sponsorship.

For some others in the industry, even when they are on the sponsorship list, it is not a norm to offer sponsorship on contact or make any firm commitment towards sponsorship.

So be thankful your prior experience and positioning has landed you in a rich fishing spot. Trust me many others work as hard and diligent but do not find same opportunity because of they do not have the prior experience in the visa-rich field to leverage on.

I currently worked in industry but also have experience working with a big4 prior, so I speak from some level of experience.

Except for some specialised engineering roles, my current employer will not offer sponsorship, neither will others in the industry. Best bet will be to join and hope you convince them to do so. For people with less than 24months on their visa, that is a challenge.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by directonpc(m): 10:39pm On Nov 28, 2023
What's the price range for 2 bedroom flat around Nottingham. I'm looking to rent around December/January/l.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Ukliving: 10:49pm On Nov 28, 2023
justwise:


Hell no!! the moment you get into care your brain is fried, no future, no ambition, you have no access to outside world, you will not even have time to do anything again..smh

...
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by hustla(m): 10:49pm On Nov 28, 2023
heroshark:


"If you are not able to secure a job in your chosen field after graduation and after 2 additional years on PSW, the chances that you will be able to secure a job after 5years of working in care drops by 80%"
~heroshark, Nairaland 2023"


Working in care for 5years means that you will lose valuable professional experience and career progression.



smiley
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by hustla(m): 10:50pm On Nov 28, 2023
Ukliving:


Wow

See condemnation

Will it be hard? Yes but definitely not impossible


Sarcasm ... the soul of wit wink
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Chinlov: 11:02pm On Nov 28, 2023
justwise:


Hell no!! the moment you get into care your brain is fried, no future, no ambition, you have no access to outside world, you will not even have time to do anything again..smh

Lol...this platform sweet pass sugar

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by claremont(m): 11:39pm On Nov 28, 2023
justwise:


Hell no!! the moment you get into care your brain is fried, no future, no ambition, you have no access to outside world, you will not even have time to do anything again..smh

This is deep sarcasm at play here. grin

On second thoughts, I don't know why people demonise care work. We all (set of 2009 UK entry) all did care and security jobs at some point prior to ultimately getting into chosen careers. Back in the day, no one gave visas for care work unlike now.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 11:53pm On Nov 28, 2023
Resurgent2016:


You can't use your story or even field to make a theory.


Certain fields and industries are more open/exposed to offer sponsorship than others. For instance, many accounting firms (big4 or big10 as called here on the sponsorship list are open to offering sponsorship on contact. Discussion on why that is is a different subject. In the industry, an accountant is less likely going to easily find companies that offer on contact or they may be offering below average pay e.g a role that will fetch £50-69k, one will offer it for £25-30k with sponsorship and even those may not be so common. I also understand some data and IT focused firms/roles also rich sponsorship opportunities.

Mind you, an accountant without big4 or closely matching experience in Nigeria is unlikely to land a big4 job in the Uk and so will likely focus on industry roles.

Bottom line is not all industries and careers offer the same level of sponsorship opportunity. For instance a medical practioner/dentist/pharmacist and similar guys have a very high chance of securing sponsorship on contact. Someone with experience in hr or marketing will probably have much lower odds of getting sponsorship.

For some others in the industry, even when they are on the sponsorship list, it is not a norm to offer sponsorship on contact or make any firm commitment towards sponsorship.

So be thankful your prior experience and positioning has landed you in a rich fishing spot. Trust me many others work as hard and diligent but do not find same opportunity because of they do not have the prior experience in the visa-rich field to leverage on.

I currently worked in industry but also have experience working with a big4 prior, so I speak from some level of experience.

Except for some specialised engineering roles, my current employer will not offer sponsorship, neither will others in the industry. Best bet will be to join and hope you convince them to do so. For people with less than 24months on their visa, that is a challenge.

All that you have said here is what I cannot fault at all. I would have said all this earlier but our motivational speakers here will still find fault with it.

see, just leave some folks here to continue to use themselves as a model when what applies to one cannot apply to many others. It's just a lack of sensitivity to other people's plight. I currently work in the aerospace, security & defence sector and it would be very bad to use myself as a model when I know many others don't have or may not be able to have the kind of experience and privileges I do enjoy. This country at times is like a lottery, if you are privileged, give thanks and do not think many others are not even hardworking like you. Enough said

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 11:57pm On Nov 28, 2023
Goodenoch:


Man, many many companies offer sponsorship.

Difference is most don’t offer it to entry-level hires.

That is the entire reason for PSW, to relieve graduates of the need for sponsorship and allow them to prove themselves to the point that companies will sponsor them.

There is a clear, logical progression to the thing but many people don’t want to follow it for various reasons and that’s how they end up where they end up, and then people like you start blaming the government for everything.

Your advise to anyone not interested in care work is to go to another country? Lmao. I can see that you’re fully set on this so all the best to you and all the others who join you in believing care is the only work available to immigrants in this country.

grin This one I think I work in care grin
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Lexusgs430: 12:31am On Nov 29, 2023
claremont:


This is deep sarcasm at play here. grin

On second thoughts, I don't know why people demonise care work. We all (set of 2009 UK entry) all did care and security jobs at some point prior to ultimately getting into chosen careers. Back in the day, no one gave visas for care work unlike now.


You forget to add kitchen porter, early morning cleaning & mini cabbing........... 😂🤣
Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by Goke7: 12:33am On Nov 29, 2023
Resurgent2016:


You can't use your story or even field to make a theory.

Certain fields and industries are more open/exposed to offer sponsorship than others. For instance, many accounting firms (big4 or big10 as called here on the sponsorship list are open to offering sponsorship on contact. Discussion on why that is is a different subject. In the industry, an accountant is less likely going to easily find companies that offer on contact or they may be offering below average pay e.g a role that will fetch £50-69k, one will offer it for £25-30k with sponsorship and even those may not be so common. I also understand some data and IT focused firms/roles also rich sponsorship opportunities.

Mind you, an accountant without big4 or closely matching experience in Nigeria is unlikely to land a big4 job in the Uk and so will likely focus on industry roles.

Bottom line is not all industries and careers offer the same level of sponsorship opportunity. For instance a medical practioner/dentist/pharmacist and similar guys have a very high chance of securing sponsorship on contact. Someone with experience in hr or marketing will probably have much lower odds of getting sponsorship.

For some others in the industry, even when they are on the sponsorship list, it is not a norm to offer sponsorship on contact or make any firm commitment towards sponsorship.

So be thankful your prior experience and positioning has landed you in a rich fishing spot. Trust me many others work as hard and diligent but do not find same opportunity because of they do not have the prior experience in the visa-rich field to leverage on.

I currently worked in industry but also have experience working with a big4 prior, so I speak from some level of experience.

Except for some specialised engineering roles, my current employer will not offer sponsorship, neither will others in the industry. Best bet will be to join and hope you convince them to do so. For people with less than 24months on their visa, that is a challenge.

In addition, one of the big four I worked with in the past will not even offer sponsorship to folks on a dependent visa no matter how qualified the person is can’t say for the other big three which reduces the chances of those whose dependents are the ones that are highly skilled some of which they have to go the care route to keep their dependent spouse in those plum jobs. In recent months they will not even go forward with those that have less than a year left before their visa expires except if they are on a student visa. Yes for those on student visa they do sponsor. Like you said many firms tend to sponsor more on roles they feel are critical or technical like software engineers, cloud engineers even in the civil service. A lot of folks I have seen got offers in the civil service but got withdrawn even in the NHS because of visa length, should we say they are not hardworking enough or don’t know what they are doing. Circumstance differ from one person to another. This is my basis why I feel some folks can explore other countries instead of putting themselves at risk if they can’t go the care route. I repeat not everyone will get the opportunity of their desired work visa in this country. We all insisting that everyone should continue to try without having a plan B is very insensitive.

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Re: Living In The Uk-life Of An Immigrant (part 3) by claremont(m): 12:42am On Nov 29, 2023
Lexusgs430:



You forget to add kitchen porter, early morning cleaning & mini cabbing........... 😂🤣

If you know how many graduate jobs rejections I had that started with ''Great interview! However, on this occasion..''. We all had to do what's available to pay the bills. The most important thing is to have a career plan and stick to it. When I look back now, it's a humbling experience.

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