LordReed:


So basically all the "souls" that will ever be have already been, they are just cycling between different types of existence?

Maynman:

It's rejected in Buddhism. They have Anatta.
Where are you getting your whack info if can't get the correct information on the MAIN BASIS of Buddhism?

FOLYKAZE:


Can you do your own research. Internet wll tell you there is no God, supernaturals, heaven or hell in Buddhism when it is wrong. And try to understand my stance before calling war on yourself?

Soul means oneself and what I call consciousness (Orí in Yoruba spirituality). I used the term soul which will be more understandable to folks here.

So when you see soul, think about oneself, essence, consciousness, or Orí.

Atman is the samething as soul. Let us forget that semantics and sugarcoated lies on internet

Maynman:

Did you read what you posted?

FOLYKAZE:


Of course

Maynman:

What does it say?


Ātman, attā or attan in Buddhism is the concept of self, and is found in Buddhist literature's discussion of the concept of non-self. Most Buddhist traditions and texts reject the premise of a permanent, unchanging atman.

Wikipedia

FOLYKAZE:


I now understand you like unnecessary arguments

Read further

However, some Buddhist schools, sutras and tantras present the notion of an atman or permanent "Self", although mostly referring to an Absolute self and not a personal self.

Maynman:

Read what you posted lol

"although mostly referring to an Absolute self and not a personal self

FOLYKAZE:


Oga you no see absolute self there?

FOLYKAZE:

I now understand you like unnecessary arguments.

Maynman:

What's the absolute self in Buddhism?

We now know there is no personal self.

FOLYKAZE:


You see, I have had this discussion with LordReed in the past and we didn't come to a conclusion then. Even if I engage you now, we will only argue and me no get time. But if you want to learn, or possibly share your knowledge on the subject of self, you should take a note of thought on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/6000911/search-self

Maynman:

What's the absolute self in Buddhism?

We now know there is no personal self.

FOLYKAZE:


Absolute self is the point where 'personal self' or the five skandhas (material self) dissappear.

Maynman:

And what will remain?

FOLYKAZE:


The inner self, ori, pure consciousness, atman or whatever you call it.

Maynman:

Nothing will remain in Buddhism.
Have you ever done any research on Buddhism yet you are using it as argument?

FOLYKAZE:


For real?

Explain yourself

Maynman:

Go and study Buddhism and stop saying rubbish on here.
I already told you "Anattā" start from there.

FOLYKAZE:


And who was discussing Anatta with you? We started off with atman...

If there is no self, how is there rebirth? Isn't it insane to say I am, then turn around and say there is no self? It mean you deny your own self existence. That is insanity

Maynman:

There's nothing like atman in Buddhism, argue with them.
There is no personal self, so who will rebirth?

Go and study Buddhism and stop saying rubbish on here.
I already told you "Anattā" start from there.

FOLYKAZE:


Simply say there is no rebirth too na

Maynman:

You are the one carrying those Jargons analogy, in Buddhism there's nothing like that. I only came to correct you on that, you can continue deceiving yourself.

"There's nothing like atman in Buddhism, argue with them.
There is no personal self, so who will rebirth?

Go and study Buddhism and stop saying rubbish on here.
I already told you "Anattā" start from there."

FOLYKAZE:



OK OK

There is no self, there is no rebirth, in fact there is no karma.

Take care

MaxInDHouse:

Of course they will perish because God never purposed for miscreants to bear children out of wedlock or without care so such babies are waste products only babies trained will make a better world untamed babies will become miscreants like their parents so they're waste products from the viewpoint of my own God.

IAmHim1:
That flaw in christianity...

here's a little chit-chat to broaden your view about a well protected lie

me: pastor I have a mind boggling question

pastor: go on my son. what is it?

me: is lying a sin, pastor?

pastor: yes, my son. lying is a terrible sin.

me: but is God merciful enough to forgive me?

pastor: yes, that's why he sent his son to die for us

me: oh really. God must really love us. so we're free from all sins?

pastor: ah! his love is too much for his flock. the blood of the lamb is sufficient. all you have to do is genuinely repent and ask for forgiveness

me: pastor, I have a friend that commits adultery. can I bring my friend to you? show him the path to salvation?

pastor: All right. remember, Jesus said, come unto me those who are heavy burden and I'll give you rest. your friend will find rest too.

me: pastor, I am a ritualist. I harvest the body part of virgins for my money rituals.

pastor: what the fvck! say what now!!!?

me: I'm sorry pastor. the burden is too much on me sir. I hear their voices at night, especially when I soend the money. I want to place my burden on Jesus. I need rest too.

pastor: ahh! which kind of calling did I receive like this! young man, you're in trouble...BIG trouble

me: pastor, I Know. that's why I have come to you.

pastor: come to me ke!!? you must be out of your mind! you're a serpent from the pit of hell.

me: but pastor, what about the blood of the lamb

pastor: eh! what did I hear from you. oga no blood for you aje. your case has finished. you will burn in hell. imagine, a killer and a money ritualist looking for forgiveness. it doesn't work like that. out of my sight. and keep that your friend away from me. snakes!

me: **tears dripping my sorry face***

***LlGHT FADES TO DARKNESS

so there you have it. the reason christians keep fvcking up is because they believe the blood is sufficient to wipe away any sin they commit, knowingly or unknowingly. that's the same reason Boko Haram and corruption from nothern leaders is existing today. they believe there's 72 virgin plus immortality waiting for them in the afterlife or where do you think Osama bin laden would think he'd end up if not in a version of heaven with 3 virgins mouth wrapped round his 1 cock simultaneously while sipping wine from the everlasting fountain of youth.

the blood of the lamb in Christianity = 72 virgins + immortality in Islam = illusions... different version of the same lie.

that's why you see the most uncleanest christian is he/she who believes the blood of the lamb is ever-washing and all forgiving

that's why your married christian wife keeps committing adultery behind your back and christian men will lie, steal and kill their way to the top regardless of who they hurt in the process -- afterall there's a Sunday. I can wash all my accumulated sins.

throw away the consequences of heaven and hell and Christians nature will reveal itself. "if no heaven or hell, why should I keep doing good to my neighbors?"

now throw in the Truth that reincarnation exists and whatever one sows, one reaps and watch the whole world adjust.

"why would women commit abortions when they know in the next life they may be barren or worse, be killed by children's innocent mistake" since you only abort 'unwanted pregnancies'

Jesus came to preach about his father's love and commandments -- who better to know a father than his own son -- but he was killed and a great lie sprung up saying he came to die for the sins of the world. God that can wipe the whole Earth if he chooses to will now send his own son to earth to die for earth man's sin MOST OF WHICH THEY COMMITTED KNOWINGLY. you're almost assuming God needs man. lolzzz

whatever you sow, you'll reap. you cannot escape the laws of karma. the reason you're born in Nigeria is because you behaved like a Nigerian in your past life. Elijha came as John the Baptist. Elijha beheaded the prophets of baal. he came as John the Baptist and was beheaded too. Elijha faced the consequences of his past crime of killing another human as John the Baptist. a whole Elijha! you think you can escape?

ride on sir/ma.
we shall see. lolzzz

Cc: ubunja
Luminouz
Haydens
Martinez39s

IAmHim1:
i have to do what i have to do.

MODIFIED:

affter death, judgement follows. what that means is whatever you did in this life, youll be judged accordingly and will be made to return to correct your wrong. "reincarnation is more of a mercy"

say youre a politician embezzling money meant to build roads for your constituents
after death, worst case scenario, youll be made to come back to earth to experience a lifestyle of suffering caused by other politician embezzling money...politicians thinking the same way you thought in your past life as a politician

say youre a girl engaging in numerous abortions in your current life, after death you'd be made to come back to earth to experience a life of barreness...and its gonna be quite funny unno. cus then in your past life, you got pregnant and easily aborted no pressure. but in your current reincarnated life, youll be made to go under intense pressure to give or be ridicled...thats why you see some women to a rich man or a king barren regardless of what they do....ivf included. now their husband be putting pressure on their head for a child but a child wont come out...u see it now. now imagine youre a guy that makes women commit abortion for your sake...dont even imagine what will happen to such a guy

same way if you spread hate about a particular gender: two things gonna happen

1) either you experience that hate from the gender you keep preaching about

2) you come back reincarnated in your next life to experience that hate you preached...that why i pity some guys in that redpill thread preaching shii about women. lollzzzz...u see it now. women are gold diggers...youll keep encountering gold diggers...women are promiscous...youll keep experiencing promiscious women...its like an aura...the one you build for yourself BY YOURSELF through your words, deeds and actions. u see those red thing in google map...like a locator....what you sow, you end up reaping.
thats why people of like aura attract each other...rapist attract rapist and hoe$ attract hoe$ ...women haters attract women haters and the type of women they preach to be hating...its like mind attract like mind...

thats why in the redpill for relationship, if your girl girlfriends are hoe$, your gf is already a h0e or on the path of becoming one

same way with discipline...one who is indisciplined with his penis is gonna attract another who is indisciplined with his/her eating habits...DO YOU GET IT NOW...you see it in the physical as vibing and chillz but in the sporitual, its not so

einstein said something about it...frequency energy and vibrations...matching your frequency to the frequency of the reality you want so you can get it
tesla might have said something related to that too

so you see, even science conforms to the spiritual if you look closely


now imagine what will happen to those politicians that embezzles and pastors that preach 'blood of the lamb wiping all sins...'
its scary
i recommend gofuckyourself threads and post here on nairaland. im just learning from him. you can too with an open mind


goodluck

Haydens:


Paste the link here so that I can see their contents.

MaxInDHouse:


Are there Jehovah's Witnesses in their society?

If there is then they will all perish for not accepting Christ's teachings.

A real intellectual should ask
"what made Jesus' teachings the yardstick all must use to measure righteousness?"

That is where you need to concentrate not looking into people's faces and saying they look cute, my own ancestors also were cute people with their own religious beliefs and from what we heard about their time most people lived by conscience back then than now. So what made me abandon their religion and accepted Jesus from far away Israel?

If you care to know i'm ready to share with you but if not know today that whoever rejects the teachings of Jesus will certainly PERISH there's no doubt about it!

correctguy101:


Then you don't really get what Hayden was tryna tell ya.

Too literal and petty minded.

LordReed:


It's a problem when the so called solution is only kicking the can down the road. My question was where are the new souls coming from and your answers are from insects and aliens, that has only shifted the numbers to a different direction. However of course I understand that I am not part of a culture that has embraced the concept of reincarnation so will not have as broad of a view of it but when I do ask a question and people who are more versed in it are only producing passing the buck answers then its no longer my fault, is it.

The inanimate object acquired a formally living soul not that it became one by some process so I don't know how that is part of how human souls are increasing.

If any of this is true, I am not seeing anything that precludes us from finding scientific evidence for it, unless of course we just gonna shift the answer to another inscrutable 'realm'.

22jumpstreet1:
another big flaw

Who invented hell?

99.9% of Christians/moslems are christians/moslems because of the fear of eternal demnation in HELL..

The remaining 0.1% are those who know religion/hell to be scam but are christians/moslems because of the easy money they make from gullible followers..

The concept of 'Hell' is serious leverage for some religions, mostly, Judaism, Islam and Christianity.

There is a good deal of study going on in Christian academic circles on the actual words translated into "hell," from the Hebrew and Greek words.

I just bought a book on this exegetical study of hell- "The Fire That Consumes," by Edward William Fudge. This is a Christian-centric examination of the concept of hell as it evolved from the translation of the Christian Bible and also the integration and syncretism of cultural imaginative constructs of hell from cultural literary sources such as Dante's Inferno and also paintings such as Heironymous Bosch's "The Garden of Earthly Delights," which is a pretty frightening visual depiction of a concept of hell.

What is interesting is that some "bible scholars" are actually dismissing the current cultural concept of hell because of a scholarly examination of the Bible texts and words. Two words translated as "hell" in the Bible are the Hebrew word "Sheol" which can literally mean grave, and the Aramaic word, "Gehenna" which is a place name outside of Jerusalem for burning refuse. Neither Gehenna or Sheol actually have inherent to them the idea of a place of everlasting torture or torment.

The idea of everlasting torment is actually a concept that was expounded into a more fearsome and gruesome concept especially by the Catholic Christian church..

So the very interesting idea is that the concept of "Hell" Biblically back then was a rather tame concept of simply death or quick annihilation that the early Christian church expounded on and expanded to further instill fear and control over its followers.

This frightening concept of hell was useful to badger and force Christians into obedience by especially the early Catholic Church. They needed a firm totalitarian grip of their followers then other religions like Islam borrowed it..

Think of it this way, There is no mention of hell in the Christian Old Testament. Hell is exclusively a New Testament doctrine. 😁

* "Omniscient" Bible god changed his mind and decided to introduce "hell" in the new testament?
* When was hell Created according to the bible?

THEY KNOW THEIR RELIGIONS CAN'T SURVIVE WITHOUT YOUR FEAR😱