Did the guy do philanthropy, Yes? Was he fake Yes? Did the guy help a few folks with cash and stuff, Yes?
Was He a devil's incarnate, Yes?
Nigeria always sees everything through the eyes of money that's why the backwardness here is legendary.....[color=#990000][/color]

I laughed at the people calling we that have different opinion from them names . I maintain my stand those videos are not evidence as far as am concern. Present a visible evidence , any body can up to say anything he or she likes , with out concrete evidence via photo, video its still tantamount to give a dog a bad names.

thesicilian:

One would think an organisation as big as the BBC should be able to hire good investigators to gather concrete evidence instead of just hearsay from disgruntled former employees.

Was it not one of their "journalists" who confronted Elon Musk about hate speech on X platform and when he was asked to mention just one incident of this so called hate speech he couldn't?

yetmao:

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Synagogue just lucky the church is not in UK, by now the would have been invaded by police.

Just like all "ME TOO" series, any rape allegation only required testimony from victims. No other evidence is required.

How is that different from jungle justice by boys on the streets in Nigeria?
You need to read more about the Me Too movement before you brag about them

jattopeter:
I laughed at the people calling we that have different opinion from them names . I maintain my stand those videos are not evidence as far as am concern. Present a visible evidence , any body can up to say anything he or she likes , with out concrete evidence via photo, video its still tantamount to give a dog a bad names.

When they can't present a valid answer or argument they'll resort to name calling, or say you're like the person you're "defending."
I see it as a sign of low intelligence

thesicilian:

I agree with you to an extent though.
I am not trying to support anyone, all I'm against is the process of medial trial that has now become a standard among journalists.
No one is saying don't speak out, but of what use I'd speaking out after decades if you're still not going to come forward with evidence?
Why didn't BBC include facts in their documentary?

As for the rape case, there's no sane judge that will ask for video evidence when it comes to rape. But other minor details matter. Like where did this happen? When? Who did you tell? What led to it? Did you go to the hospital? Any messages between the two before or after the act? Etc.

But also remember that the accused is a human being as well and has a right to defend himself against false allegations. You don't expect enlightened people to swallow hook, line and sinker a story that a 25yr old woman for instance was raped in a hotel room by a man whom she has been dating for weeks or months without further evidence?

I Agree, they are just making people aware or telling their stories of what happened to them , when they felt courageous enough to do so. Whether people believe them or not that's another thing, it doesn't matter how long it took them to come out with their stories. There have being cases of rape crimes convicted years after it happened as a result of proper investigations. Again. I add, investigations. Alota rape perpetrators have also got away with their crimes as a result of lack of evidence. Which is why some of them carry on raping until they are caught in the act red bloody handed. The ages of rape victims doesn't matter, a 50 years old woman can be a victim of rape so can a 65 years old woman. There are no age categories of rape victims

This old woman that is expected to be wise is displaying such folly and idiocy.Supporting evil makes you evil also.Nobody has any reason to cook up lies against TB Joshua.Was he the only prominent pastor in Nigeria who has died?God will visit the evil he has done on his generation!!

Prince111111:
you should ask yourself for what reasons they would tell such a lies or why his daughter Ajoke would also tell such a lie.

Have you asked yourself why they didn't speak out when the man was still alive to defend himself?

No no just think . . . Why wait till a year or more after his death to open up if you are not having a vendetta.

Very Low intelligence sir, This has nothing to do with defending any body , at times we have to be objective and use our IQ in some certain issues. I cant throw somebody stone , simple BECAUSE OTHERS are doing so , neither can I hate any body because people are doing so. Those video are not yet a substantial evidence enough for me to believe.

thesicilian:

When they can't present a valid answer or argument they'll resort to name calling, or say you're like the person you're "defending."
I see it as a sign of low intelligence

Davidgregs:
Oga na you come dey inside people mind now to know their justification based on this case, you no go kukuma rest before this TB Joshua case go kill you.

Kill me as how? If u no get point again just rest for the matter no con dey talk off.

I am not in people's minds. I'm telling u what people have said to me and even some have posted this as their defence online. Some of them said as far as they're concerned TB Joshua cannot be bad cos he's been philanthropic and has helped alot of people. These are the people I was addressing in my post.

nairalee:
Some people's defence of TB JOSHUA is because he gave alot of money to the poor. That's a very SHALLOW level of reasoning. I'm tired of the way people reason. So we should not challenge any rapist or murderer because he/she is a philanthropist (whose wealth even came from people's donations). The way people dey reason sha!

I don't think so. We are in the same world where many persons are accused only to be known later on they didn't commit any of the allegations. There was a pastor in Ogbomosho who was accused of rape by the daughter of a church woman whom they help and pay her school fees. She said the man impregnated her. The church (Baptist) suspended him; the police arrested him, ridiculed him and made him to sign caregiving contract with the girl till she delivers for DNA. The neighborhood sees him a fake man and a predator and a liar. But everything was resolved when she gave birth and DNA confirmed the man wasn't responsible and she confessed the man never committed any of the allegations. She and her mother were sent away disgracefully from the church. Johnny Depp's own come to mind, Mendy likewise, Jonathan Majors, Neymar, Ronaldo and many more. Go watch paternity test shows. The women made the loudest noises until YOU'RE NOT THE FATHER hit them like bullets to cut their bluffs. There's the story of the alleged victims and the story of TB Joshua and in between these stories is another story called TRUTH.

epainos:

Christ! So you have watched his old videos and still saying this. Omo...eh! Joshua has happened to you. I am having my fun knowing those who are easily manipulated. See eh...you are a candidate for such business model. We will soon reach out to you soon. You can't escape it cos I know you are weak.

what’s this one saying. You’re an off point person. First reach out to your family before ranting online? I wish people meet face to face. You no go get mouth talk again. I no blame you.

The matter don tire me. Let’s move on.

Calitoscassius:
I Agree, they are just making people aware or telling their stories of what happened to them , when they felt courageous enough to do so. Whether people believe them or not that's another thing, it doesn't matter how long it took them to come out with their stories. Their have being cases of rape crimes convicted years after it happened as a result of proper investigations. Again. I add, investigations. Alota rape perpetrators have also got away with their crimes as a result of lack of evidence. Which is why some of them carry on raping until they are caught in the act red bloody handed. The ages of rape victims doesn't matter, a 50 years old woman can be a victim of rape so can a 65 years old woman. There are no age categories of rape victims

Completely agree 💯

CondemnBattery:
Gbamsolutely.
Let them first do a documentary on how our Nigerian politicians loot our monies and starch them in the UK then I will take them serious.

Let them do a documentary of how the British monarch killed, maime and stole from Africa during the slave era, then I will take them serious.

Let them do a documentary of how the fulanies are carrying out ethnic cleansing of the middle belt in Nigeria, then I will take them serious.

Useless bunch of terrorist sympathizers.

Why will over a dozen of people accuse a dead man who can't defend himself, and couldn't provide one evidence.

Almost all Nigerian politicians have houses in their God forsaken country but they will not give us that documentary now

Werey people wey come spoil our country still dey try spoil our people

My grouse with BBC or whatever media house is not even these publications

But somehow these guys have not been able to document how our political class have looted this country and bring same loot to their countries

Of course they also feed fat on that one, so why you go cast your nigga

Nonsense and BBC

divinitybillz:
Did the guy do philanthropy, Yes? Was he fake Yes? Did the guy help a few folks with cash and stuff, Yes?
Was He a devil's incarnate, Yes?
Nigeria always sees everything through the eyes of money that's why the backwardness here is legendary.....[color=#990000][/color]

You summarized the whole situation with your post.

Let people be wallowing in their deceit, philanthropy yenyen.

Have they just realized after almost two years of TB Joshua's passing.

Fuckyoumod:
Whether these allegations are true or false.

My concern is simple.

Why is it coming now?

Why now that the man is late and can't defend himself or face consequences?

Everybody should rest abeg, they would have brought all this up 5, 4, 6 and 7 years ago.

Why now?

People have been coming to talk but Nigerians just choose not to believe. Aside fear for their lives, the doubting Thomas's won't make victims want to come out because they would be ridiculed. TB Joshua's case is an open secret even before he blew. Na una no gree wan know the gist. At least, me don hear am long time ago.

Conner44:


Have you asked yourself why they didn't speak out when the man was still alive to defend himself?

No no just think . . . Why wait till a year or more after his death to open up if you are not having a vendetta.

my brother I am not nailing the Dead but to what you asked, some of them have once come out to speak up when he was alive. And besides, let say the whole allegations were true, their lives would be in danger if they had all come to the open. So you should have a final rethink on those points.

Daystar7:


Shut up jaare! Oponu. You and ur mother should go to BBC, they need more witness. Una mind no go touch ground. Brood of vipers

Oh sorry I thought I was bantering with a sensible individual with decorum and self respect,i didn't know it was a self loathing nit wit that I was exchanging words with. My bad..

Forumites:
what’s this one saying. You’re an off point person. First reach out to your family before ranting online? I wish people meet face to face. You no go get mouth talk again. I no blame you.

You can't meet me cos you are way below. Lol. Son...your papa go prostrate flat before me to plead for mercy...and your mama will knee...she will beg for mercy..... Mark my words. If you want to try it....feel free to injure yourself and embarrass your parents

You that can't even recognize Joshua.... who he is .....you want to fight. Dem don close your eyes with a chewing gum. Lol. Joshua has really eaten the good part of your brain. as in for real? Still defending Joshua? Son....you are gone.

Courz:


I said it now. I said it that TB Joshua is your Jesus. He is your Almighty God. That's why you are equating him to Jesus. Blasphemy! These eyewitnesses revealed that your TB Joshua called himself Jesus. One said that Tb Joshua told him that every 2000 years, a new Christ comes into the world and that He is TB Joshua is the new Christ! That's an Antichrist! So you don't know that you are going against the Bible by equating TB Joshua with Jesus? You SCOAN and TB Joshua are Antichrists. You are the people Jesus warned against. And now, Una yansh don open. Baba God too much!

Almighty God has decided to expose the darkness in your Cult. This is why you are angry and busy trying to console yourself by calling TB Joshua your God even in Death. Why are you worshipping a Dead man instead of worshipping God? Why do You SCOAN members love Demonism? Why do you people love Rape, Death, human sacrifices and Torture? Why ? Why have you people allowed Satan to dwell in your Synagogue? Synagogue of Satan! Why was your Synagogue built like a Haunted Castle? Why is it that someone with Spirit of discernment can just look at your God TB Joshua and immediately know he is demonic if he is such a True Man of God? Why are you fighting so hard to change people's opinion about your God TB Joshua?

The eyewitnesses that r in same cult of oppression with u?

Una never see anything, wait small and see the handwork of his wise men. Una go cry tired, ur master the devil will keep failing.

Prince111111:
my brother I am not nailing the Dead but to what you asked, some of them have once come out to speak up when he was alive. And besides, let say the whole allegations were true, their lives would be in danger if they had all come to the open. So you should have a final rethink on those points.

@ the bolded what if I also say

"And besides, let's say the whole allegations were false " . . . Can't you see that we are both speculating at this point in time?

Let's not be emotional about this thing. That's one thing the media is good at, making people take emotional decisions and have emotional opinions about issues.

Don't be led by the media. Let's do due diligence instead if following the herd blindly in these types of matters especially when the accused isn't available to defend him/herself

I watched the stupid video by the british bastards corporation.

The only distant possibility was that the Prophet may have been tempted (like all human beings) to have had one or two CONSENSUAL encounters with one or two ladies working for him. Most of us don’t even believe that he succumbed to such temptation.

The rest of the video is a heap of trash most likely coming from people who lost the church leadership battle to Mama Evelyn Joshua. The losers only paid the british bastards corporation to advertise trash.

Komu1048:



The eyewitnesses that r in same cult of oppression with u?

Una never see anything, wait small and see the handwork of his wise men. Una go cry tired, ur master the devil will keep failing.

I said it now. I said it that TB Joshua is your Jesus. He is your Almighty God. That's why you are equating him to Jesus. Blasphemy! These eyewitnesses revealed that your TB Joshua called himself Jesus. One said that Tb Joshua told him that every 2000 years, a new Christ comes into the world and that He is TB Joshua is the new Christ! That's an Antichrist! So you don't know that you are going against the Bible by equating TB Joshua with Jesus? You SCOAN and TB Joshua are Antichrists. You are the people Jesus warned against. And now, Una yansh don open. Baba God too much!

Almighty God has decided to expose the darkness in your Cult. This is why you are angry and busy trying to console yourself by calling TB Joshua your God even in Death. Why are you worshipping a Dead man instead of worshipping God? Why do You SCOAN members love Demonism? Why do you people love Rape, Death, human sacrifices and Torture? Why ? Why have you people allowed Satan to dwell in your Synagogue? Synagogue of Satan! Why was your Synagogue built like a Haunted Castle? Why is it that someone with Spirit of discernment can just look at your God TB Joshua and immediately know he is demonic if he is such a True Man of God? Why are you fighting so hard to change people's opinion about your God TB Joshua?

Omihanifa:
What does madam saje know
She's just saying all these based on tb joshua philanthropy. And nah wetin the guy use dey confuse people be that.

The guys that were interviewed were people that were very close to him. Can everyone be lying at the same time ?

Madam saje knows tb joshua from the media just like everyone else. These guys are his inner caucus so they know that they are saying.

na just one evidence I dey wait for...
Accusations upon accusations, no single evidence....
I once worked in a company and the man made me overseer over his companies and properties because of trust...
I blocked every avenue of fraud cos na the man sponsor me go school so I can let them ruin him...
Other workers from diff dept gang up against me just so I can be sent away cos I dey block them seriously.
Allegations can be fabricated just as a means to an end...
The woman no gree for people that labored with her husband, that church is a. Huge source of income and na only she dey Corner the income, that alone is enough for people to gather and bring up allegations

themainman600:
were you deaf while watching when they said they weren't allowed to use phones

so In this age of technology, no spy gadgets?
You can't be doing same thing to me everytime and I won't look for means to nail you, make we dey use our sense...
They said it has been going on for long....
The means of an investigation is to nail the accused...
You didn't start your investigation in 2019,2020 but you started after the accused is dead...

nairalee:
Some people's defence of TB JOSHUA is because he gave alot of money to the poor. That's a very SHALLOW level of reasoning. I'm tired of the way people reason. So we should not challenge any rapist or murderer because he/she is a philanthropist (whose wealth even came from people's donations). The way people dey reason sha!

they should bring evidence...
Allegations no dey win court case, na evidence dey win...
All these many allegations, no single evidence

CondemnBattery:
Gbamsolutely.
Let them first do a documentary on how our Nigerian politicians loot our monies and starch them in the UK then I will take them serious.

Let them do a documentary of how the British monarch killed, maime and stole from Africa during the slave era, then I will take them serious.

Let them do a documentary of how the fulanies are carrying out ethnic cleansing of the middle belt in Nigeria, then I will take them serious.

Useless bunch of terrorist sympathizers.

Why will over a dozen of people accuse a dead man who can't defend himself, and couldn't provide one evidence.

no single evidence

Oga, why are you jumping from pillar to post trying to whitewash TB Joshua.

You seem very desperate!

Who is bankrolling you?!
🤣

epainos:

You can't meet me cos you are way below. Lol. Son...your papa go prostrate flat before me to plead for mercy...and your mama will knee...she will beg for mercy..... Mark my words. If you want to try it....feel free to injure yourself and embarrass your parents

You that can't even recognize Joshua.... who he is .....you want to fight. Dem don close your eyes with a chewing gum. Lol. Joshua has really eaten the good part of your brain. as in for real? Still defending Joshua? Son....you are gone.

This one just dey rant. Na you know wetin you and TB Joshua get. Abeg carry ur wahala and misery dey go. Kid!

Forumites:
This one just dey rant. Na you know wetin you and TB Joshua get. Abeg carry ur wahala and misery dey go. Kid!

Na jeje a dey....you came and started running your mouth. I am telling you again....your papa will prostrate and mama will knee to beg for mercy if dem really born you well to go through with meeting me like you wanted in your previous post...and to do whatever you ran your mouth to do without thinking first.

You that can't see that your T.B. Joshua is evil. I will set you up with people who will first manipulate you...collect your money and beat you like heck...and you will still be leaking their as.ses...praying to their fake gods religiously.

I know I can do this because you are still here defending Joshua. You are a weak person.

Son...dont injure yourself further...just keep collecting your bla la from Joshua alone....dont let me add more to it.