To Jakpa is not basically because you want more money. There is more to that.

You secure the future of your Children, you live a life free from uncertainty, you enjoy basic amenities and much more, upgrade yourself and make much money.

Do you know how much immigration lawyer earn outside the country? It is better to live now before you regret it. Don't ever listen to those telling you otherwise. Wishing you the very best

Wat kind of work is there?

janda1:



Move to austria

Cost 3m-4m for the whole package

Why?
I thought canada was okay

deyplay:
if it is Canada, no need of him visiting to decide because you will be discouraged, because Canada you see on TV and that you hear
about is different from the Real Canada when you come here. Secondly, 15meter is small to go through student route, because most good schools are 18m for both semesters. Now, my answer to your question is , Japa, still come here. One or two years , you will get balance back. Rich people in Nigeria who want to japa, note that relocating abroad is a long term goal with a long term achievement. It may not come as expected, but your living conditions will be better. Leave and take the risk, you can always be visiting Nigeria any time you like. Japa!!!!!!!

Why is the student route not worth it?
I want to be a pri/sec teacher in canada?

folake4u:


Going through student route to Canada is no longer worth it.

Best bet is PR route but you'd lose points since you're already 30+, but it's achievable if you add French certification to give you more points. And also your Law degree is equivalent to a Canadian Masters degree when you evaluate it through CES, IQAS or ICAS. (Not WES please).

Just go through PR route.

jumokeadele:
I don't think the curse is necessary , at the end everybody wish for the betterment of this country, we only have different political view

You wished for the betterment of the country with a clueless Buhari, a man consumed by his ingrained bigotry??

If you weren't born before 1983/84, you should have tried to read about his antecedents

Anyone who thought Buhari would bring about any economic development was either completely ignorant, dumb or blinded by ethnoreligious bigotry.

VEXT:


Pity ur self poor man

Be happy for your fellow man so that your own will come, you can't bewitching another and expect your own to come , No it won't happen

Flames000:


But bros is his finance and what he is doing to make money the Bone of Contention?? I’m asking for a friend.

oh. He ask for advice right, and the advice is based on his finances right?

So for him to get a solid advice, he need to come clean on his finances. For me building a 2 three bedroom duplex on net earnings of 84milloin naira in 7 years is not feasible.

Things like what are the side hustle he is into, are the side hustle have long term security. Any other business aside his 12millon naira net worth per year. Etc

I wasn't born in 1983, but i'm not a kid. all i can say is that its not a coincident that every president we've had since 1960 is bad , what happened to other african countries , did they have a buhari too. I think its just an african thing, even if you elect a black holy marry , they won't bring about any change

ChybuzzDD:


You wished for the betterment of the country with a clueless Buhari, a man consumed by his ingrained bigotry??

If you weren't born before 1983/84, you should have tried to read about his antecedents

Anyone who thought Buhari would bring about any economic development was either completely ignorant, dumb or blinded by ethnoreligious bigotry.

Stay in Nigeria.

If you get to Canada, you will need to go to school to get a good job to be a paralegal is about 2 years or so.

Only men with skills in these will get jobs immediately

Cyber security
Plumbing / construction
Auto works

RETURNOFENDSARS:



I can't save up to 4m in Canadian dollar per? Or what do you mean?

Yes you can't ask those who are there and you can only save that when you earn above 10k CAD per year which the chance of earning for a new immigrant is very slim

tonicyril:


Wait..what are u saying sir??

He can't save up to 4m or 40m...

Please come again sir.

Or do u mean $4M??

4M naira , won't he pay for bills Canada nor be beans oo, especially for new immigrant . You can ask those over there

CandidAdmin:
Don't Japa!

You can travel as much as you want but don't Japa!

You're living the life most Nigerians want.

Modified - After much consideration concerning the security state of 9ja, I'd advise you to make a well-detailed research before Japaing.

Just don't go from lawyer to cleaning people's nyansh.

Also, avoid UK at all cost.

Question of the day - why aren't people trying Russia?

Why should he avoid UK at all cost? That's where I'm planning to go soon oh

RichManPikin:


Why should he avoid UK at all cost? That's where I'm planning to go soon oh

I said it because of the numerous complaints of NL.

RETURNOFENDSARS:


That's the point, I just don't want to go from lawyer to cleaning nyansh. I really need advice mostly from senior lawyers practicing here and lawyers that are in abroad, particularly Canada

My dear brother, I can relate to your concerns. I am a 12 years post call lawyer and I am constantly bothered about this issue too. My monthly earnings are close to your range, and I consider myself to be fairly comfortable.
My wife constantly talks about us relocating to Canada, but I find it difficult to grasp how I'll cough all that amount of money just to start life afresh in a strange land.

CandidAdmin:
Don't Japa!

You can travel as much as you want but don't Japa!

You're living the life most Nigerians want.

Modified - After much consideration concerning the security state of 9ja, I'd advise you to make a well-detailed research before Japaing.

Just don't go from lawyer to cleaning people's nyansh.

Also, avoid UK at all cost.

Question of the day - why aren't people trying Russia?

language barrier and War

What is your wife’s background cos to be honest your Nigerian legal background is irrelevant abroad and you will need to retrain.

RETURNOFENDSARS:
I'm a lawyer, called in 2016. I'm married with a kid and I'm in my early 30s. My wife is not working, so I have been the one shouldering the responsibility, despite that, God has given me my own house. Three bedrooms flat in front and three bedrooms flat at the back, all with full pop, water heater, full tiles, in fact all the modern facilities.
In all honesty I made between 600k-1.5m per month.

Just of recent, the zeal to Japa to Canada has been on my mind through school route. I currently have like 7m in my account and I know I could raise it till 15m before the end of the year. The cost of schooling keep giving me issue. How will someone travel abroad and spend over 15m when I could used the money to buy hostel from people who desperately needs money or invest in real estate.

Another concern of mine is that the future of legal profession is reducing because of the amount clients are paying particularly in the area of agreement and other things.

Definitely, I won't be selling the house if I decide to relocate, the rent from the two flats will go to my mom and the least could only be 500k per year. I won't have issues sending money at home.

Please, I really need advice from lawyers that are there, how do you cope migrating. Is it advisable I leave, if yes, what are the first things I might encounter, if am relocating it will be with my family. I just don't want to regret relocating. The exchange rate is just too much

spiSeyi:

4M naira , won't he pay for bills Canada nor be beans oo, especially for new immigrant . You can ask those over there

I know but it's hard to believe..

I tot they said one can make upto 10k dollars in a month and that is 120k, some even make up to 160k in a year, so how cone would someone like that find it hard to save up to 4m naira in a year?

This story no clear ooh, e no clear aswear

janda1:



Move to austria

Cost 3m-4m for the whole package

Na Mediterranean sea you won follow?

[quote author=gabbytabby post=127965384]What is your wife’s background cos to be honest your Nigerian legal background is irrelevant abroad and you will need to retrain.


[/quote

She studied one of the medical courses

Anaskie:
My dear brother, I can relate to your concerns. I am a 12 years post call lawyer and I am constantly bothered about this issue too. My monthly earnings are close to your range, and I consider myself to be fairly comfortable.
My wife constantly talks about us relocating to Canada, but I find it difficult to grasp how I'll cough all that amount of money just to start life afresh in a strange land.

That's my sole concern, how will I cough that huge amount of money and start afresh.... Because of my wife course I think she will fit in very well to their system... The question is what will be my fate?

Well, you are right if you want to compare the currency and economy. But if you want to choose naija as ur base and do ur business there with no intention of relocating abroad, u can survive making 1.5M a month, depending on the life style u choose.

But if you have a vision of sending ur kids to school abroad, 1.5m a month could be less than 400 pounds by then, especially with this current exchange rate surge. Therefore, ur vision determines ur decision now, japa to make a soft landing for ur kids or remain to live and do ur business locally. As for me and my family, we don japa >:

obaidan:

hmmm na so person go think until its time to send your child to attend university abroad and you discover your 36million naira yearly income will only pay tuition for 1 year, and your child will still need to go and hustle for upkeep on his own, that's assuming dollar does not depreciate further.
As e dey go..make e no be say the 36m, na just 1 semester tuition e go fit pay in the next 3 years

RETURNOFENDSARS:


That's the point, I just don't want to go from lawyer to cleaning nyansh. I really need advice mostly from senior lawyers practicing here and lawyers that are in abroad, particularly Canada

This talk of 'cleaning yansh' being chorusd is largely borne out of poor labour laws, looking down on other people, no social safety net culminating in not understanding the concept of dignity in labour

In most western societies, minimum wage is structured in such a say that you should be able to live a reasonable life on it else folks would stop working and rely on benefits and not too infrequently, you could earn significantly more on a close to minimum wage but in demand job e.g care than many other entry level or early professional jobs.

You also need to understand that coming in, you might take a while to settle before getting on your preferred pathway. That's where the stop-gap jobs help. Easy to get and stop and pay the bills. I know of a Nigerian couple who migrated to the UK (wife a nurse and hubby a doc). The wife was the one who got sponsored and hubby had only just started looking abroad hence not took exams yet. They came along together. He picked up a care job and the flexibility of him being on a dependent visa allowed him to work very flexibly and around childcare. After 1-2 yrs, he completed his medical exams, got a job as a doc and soon after got on a training pathway that would see him earn circa £50k a yr with a £20 k lump initial/beginner bonus (outside salary). In 3-4 yrs, he's on a pathway to earn above £100k.
Asides him, I know 2 other docs and certain professionals who recently arrived the UK working in care but building towards their pathway.

Reason why you need to speak with similar minded folks there to understand what pathways exist, pay levels etc.

tonicyril:
I know but it's hard to believe..

I tot they said one can make upto 10k dollars in a month and that is 120k, some even make up to 160k in a year, so how cone would someone like that find it hard to save up to 4m naira in a year?

This story no clear ooh, e no clear aswear

Maybe dusty powder dealers legit new immigrants can't make up to that, salary wey no go pass 3-4k CAD for middle grade job while the lower grade job is about 2-2,500 CAD And housing in Canada is expensive . The grass is not always greener over there ooo. If you are making at least 1 M/month in Nigeria Jakpa is not for you ooo

Well you are right. It’s individual decision to make.1.5M is money in naija but is nothing when converted to dollars and pounds, so it’s now ur choice to live and trade ur money in naija or leave to make hard currency abroad, if peradventure u have the intention of schooling ur kids abroad.

YoshihideSuga:
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Actually, the majority of people who relocated, especially those who did as a result of the recession in 2015/2016 earned more than the bold and OP does. People who earned three million have japa'd.

tonicyril:
I know but it's hard to believe..

I tot they said one can make upto 10k dollars in a month and that is 120k, some even make up to 160k in a year, so how cone would someone like that find it hard to save up to 4m naira in a year?

This story no clear ooh, e no clear aswear

What exactly will he be doing as a new immigrant to make $10k net a month? Some people eventually make this amount but it's not the norm. Most times sef, family income no dey reach $10k net a month and that means combined income of husband and wife.

If someone eventually makes that amount, his expenses go chop better portion of that. It's not easy to pay off bills as an international student talk more of saving. You go just dey pray to make ends meet.

A whole lawyer that don't know what to do


He get money, he can't open biz for wife

In felas word

Suegbe lawyer

jedisco:


This talk of 'cleaning yansh' being chorusd is largely borne out of poor labour laws, looking down on other people.

In most western societies, minimum wage is structured in such a say that you should be able to live a reasonable life on it else folks would stop working and rely on benefits and not too infrequently, you could earn significantly more on a close to minimum wage but in demand job e.g care than many other entry level or early professional jobs.

You also need to understand that coming in, you might take a while to settle before getting on your preferred pathway. That's where the stop-gap jobs help. Easy to get and stop and pay the bills. I know of a Nigerian couple who migrated to the UK (wife a nurse and hubby a doc). The wife was the one who got sponsored and hubby had only just started looking abroad hence not took exams yet. They came along together. He picked up a care job and the flexibility of him being on a dependent visa allowed him to work very flexibly and around childcare. After 1-2 yrs, he completed his medical exams, got a job as a doc and soon after got on a training pathway that would see him earn circa £50k a yr with a £20 k signon bonus. In 3-4 yrs, he's on a pathway to earn above £100k.
Asides him, I know 2 other docs and certain professionals who recently arrived the UK working in care but building towards their pathway.

Reason why you need to speak with similar minded folks there- understand what pathways exist, pay levels etc.

You get time to dey explain O

When you come online and see people having nigeria mentality reasoning, best is ignore

They are irredeemable

Dont go through school then, start the process of migrating to canada DIY. The process is straight forward if you have all the necessary info and requirements with IELTS inclusive and all the money you will be paying will be coming in bits. I have colleagues who on it at the moment and they are doing it all themselves. Most times it takes up to two years to complete the process but trust me it is worth it.

RETURNOFENDSARS:


I'm not showing off here, if I don't reveal such information, how will I get the advice I needed

Can u explain that PR route for me.
What is the process?

kurlar101:
Hi,

If you think of different things happening in Nigeria now, most especially the insecurity you will agree with me and never think twice before moving abroad. Please note that relocating abroad is a future goal that may take you 2-3years before balancing your status and you will have erased your mind of thinking about the Nigerian situation when relocating abroad. I will advise you to do your personal research on a country where you can relocate to as a lawyer and elite person you are. I will suggest you first look at a country where you can relocate to with family but never travel with family at first just make sure to fill in their information on VAF. As someone who has experienced such in the past. Please don't go on study route to Canada but PR (Family) if you can sacrifice for the processing, but that will take you nothing less than 8-10months processing. If you insist on a study route please try France Austria, Germany, Norway, Sweden Finland, Luxembourg and Denmark. You will never regret going to those countries in the next 2-3year. Please and Please don't sell any of your properties.

Ire oooooo

I intend going to canada to teach pri/sec schools there.
How can i do it?

Baba, Japa is not the solution to your problem. What you need is chains of businesses, diversify into other industries. And you can just go abroad to enjoy your life with your family. If it's for you to travel abroad to see the ideas you can sell right here to people. May God continue to bless you with wisdom.

RETURNOFENDSARS:
I'm a lawyer, called in 2016. I'm married with a kid and I'm in my early 30s. My wife is not working, so I have been the one shouldering the responsibility, despite that, God has given me my own house. Three bedrooms flat in front and three bedrooms flat at the back, all with full pop, water heater, full tiles, in fact all the modern facilities.
In all honesty I made between 600k-1.5m per month.

Just of recent, the zeal to Japa to Canada has been on my mind through school route. I currently have like 7m in my account and I know I could raise it till 15m before the end of the year. The cost of schooling keep giving me issue. How will someone travel abroad and spend over 15m when I could used the money to buy hostel from people who desperately needs money or invest in real estate.

Another concern of mine is that the future of legal profession is reducing because of the amount clients are paying particularly in the area of agreement and other things.

Definitely, I won't be selling the house if I decide to relocate, the rent from the two flats will go to my mom and the least could only be 500k per year. I won't have issues sending money at home.

Please, I really need advice from lawyers that are there, how do you cope migrating. Is it advisable I leave, if yes, what are the first things I might encounter, if am relocating it will be with my family. I just don't want to regret relocating. The exchange rate is just too much

To japa you must look at these four (4) major things:

1. The motivation to japa. Is it a valid reason and will the result be worth your while and effort? Why do you want to leave? Economic reasons? Insecurity? Future of your kids? Be like other friends and class mates who are out there too? etc.

2. The Pathway you seek to use (Student/Education; Work Permit; Permanent Residency, etc). The requirements vary by country and also vary by cost and these influence the efforts you need to invest into your desire.

3. The Cost vs Benefit at The Country you plan to go to. Like I earlier said, each pathway above costs differently for different countries. And what you stand to gain also varies from one country to another. Job opportunities vary from one county to another in the profession you intend to start life with.

Note you won’t just get there and start practicing law! Or immediately land a Million Dollar Job Offer!!! BE REALISTIC!!! I have seen Nigerians who didn’t earn shit in Nigeria, had no skills, falsified proof of funds for settling and then arrive overseas hoping the president of the country will vacate his seat for them and then they start ruling the country and flying private jets. It is a big delusion!!!! Many Nigerians have unrealistic expectations about overseas. Here the system has no pity. The good streets you see is from tax! And YOU MUST PAY! Dem no Dey beg you. In many cases you could pay up to 40 per cent. Your landlord has not pity. You can’t beg him or give him stories. Oyibo no know “Please Sir, pity me sir. God will bless you Sir”. They DO NOT JOKE and in many instances you will face the consequences of your actions. Live and direct.

Also cost vs benefits for each country matters again because For instance in Canada you get paid child benefit of about 500 Canadian Dollars Per Month per child. In January (yesterday) the Federal Government Paid about 600 dollars to many families apart from the Child Benefit payment. It isn’t much but that can cover your bills. While you work to cater for rent etc. Now what is the average cost of the BIG 5? That is:

i.RENT
ii. FEEDING
iii. TRANSPORTATION
iv. UTILITIES
v. CLOTHING

Then you consider other things like general cost of simple services, etc. YOU MUST PLAN WELL. YOU MUST PLAN!!!! THE PLAN MUST INVOLVE YOU AND YOUR WIFE WORKING AND EARNING.

4. Your PERSONAL Plan to resettle and make ends meet. What job areas and professions have you researched and like to focus on when you get there? What is your settlement plan? Will you buy a small car and do delivery? You will need to first pass driving test and get a license. You car needs to be registered as well. Will you work freelance online on sites like Upwork, etc ? Will your wife need to work? In short YOUR WIFE MUST WORK to support. She must learn a skill/trade or pick up a new profession like Child Care etc otherwise financial burden will be too much on you Sir. Will you work and learn? What will be your average rent, bills, and what income will you earn (after tax) while there and working a job? Remember in many cases you will have to start small.

I will stop here and I will pride additional advice if need be. But take a pen and paper. AND I MEAN IT. Start noting ALL IT WILL COST TO LEAVE.
From Passport to IELTS, to Education Consultant (if you need one), to Admission, to Visa Application, to Flight Tickets, to Settling down rent and bills. Now Depending on skills, profession and resourcefulness it takes an average of 3 months to get a proper job in Canada for instance. Why? Well many jobs require some form of certification e.g For Youth and childcare you have to have First Aid and CPR, Non Violent Intervention, Security/Vulnerable Persons Criminal Record Check/Clearance by Country’s Police and so on.